Darvocet. Yes, that's right, fucking darvocet.

[Indy]

SWIM took 5 100/650 pills to ease withdrawals. THen he looked it up and found out it can stop the heart.

Is SWIM fucked?

Fuck it, it'd be better than withdrawal.

EDIT: alright before anyone gets their panties in a bunch i wasn't serious about that last comment, i'll take care of myself. also feel free to move this if need be.

[mikells43]

during my active addiction, i first enjoyed darvocets when i could get a buzz. id take a bunch , i had a hok up for 1.00 each. the big pink pills lol. but i noticed that once i had tolerence, darvocet made me more ill than "good".

[I'm-Nod-Addicted]

I used to take them all of the time....my buddy had a never ending jar full of them. I never had any issues.

Like you said, it beats w/d!

Fuck that APAP though!

[Duckfeet]

I always laugh about darvocets: some people get *really* angry that anybody can claim to like darvocets...what I liked, back when they still worked for me, were mexican neo-percodans, which we'd stock up on in the mexican pharmies, and bring back here--and they were just propoxyphene, and some crappy filler or another...

But that was long before harm reduction was anywhere near my life. I'd eat four or five of those, and wash'em down with a beer for brekfast, and after about fifteen minutes, they'd kick in, and I'd be happy....

So I never figured why people hate them so...but I figure it's because you always want something else, and when the doc prescribes darvys u feel burnt. I do too, now, won't accept'em...but where yer still in the stages where u can eat a couple of vikodins, and *feel* them, I didn't mind'em....

[Indy]

Well my tolerance right now is as low as it's been in a month or so, so i'm starting to feel better. I was just wondering how common the cardiotoxicity is.

I guess I don't have much reason to use SWIM, huh.

In other news, my tummy hurts. DAMN APAP indeed.

[Duckfeet]

I pretty much never even thought about it, and would eat--or fix--gobs of pills daily, including viks, perks, darvys, tylenol 3's... whatever, whenever...and never noticed anything amiss ( I laugh when I read that)... But my cast iron stomach is "no more" and now anything out of whack, and it lets me know...

[GoddessofRATs]

In my younger days i'd take a punch of them and never had any problems. Your fine.

GOR

[Indy]

haha, you fixed all that stuff? must have been before you knew what "bioavailability" is eh? love your stories though.

[Duckfeet]

Nah: I never fixed darvys or anything w/hydrocone, tempted tho I might have been....but anything w/oxycodone in it was going into a spoon....

haha, you fixed all that stuff? must have been before you knew what "bioavailability" is eh? love your stories though.

[mikells43]

if ur worried about cardiotoxicity methadone has a way higher cardiotoxicity than anything. and im not saying that to be a doosh im stating the truth form the resources i read

[devilsdrug]

detox clinics use to use them in conjunction with a tranq and a sleeper , ive used them at 2 different clinics back in the early 80s i think it was, most i ever took at once was around 6 i think

[Indy]

if ur worried about cardiotoxicity methadone has a way higher cardiotoxicity than anything. and im not saying that to be a doosh im stating the truth form the resources i read

nah, definitely not being a douche, if anything that makes me feel better.

[jackjohnson]

darvocet cant stop the heart any more then other opioids. the therapeutic index is lower on darvocet and it is a weak opioid but i wouldn't worry about it

[mollywopped]

I always laugh about darvocets: some people get *really* angry that anybody can claim to like darvocets...what I liked, back when they still worked for me, were mexican neo-percodans, which we'd stock up on in the mexican pharmies, and bring back here--and they were just propoxyphene, and some crappy filler or another...

But that was long before harm reduction was anywhere near my life. I'd eat four or five of those, and wash'em down with a beer for brekfast, and after about fifteen minutes, they'd kick in, and I'd be happy....

So I never figured why people hate them so...but I figure it's because you always want something else, and when the doc prescribes darvys u feel burnt. I do too, now, won't accept'em...but where yer still in the stages where u can eat a couple of vikodins, and *feel* them, I didn't mind'em....


Ya, back in the day when I 1st started messing w/ pain killers, Darvies worked just fine. They weren't as good as Vicodin, but theydid the just just fine.

As for those damn neo-percodans, fuck them. The first time I ever got anything in Mexico, it was those. I thought they were Percocet, ya know, being neo-percadan and all. Fuckers. Oh well.

One time though, my buddy got a bunch of Darvon capsules from his Gma. They are 65mgs of propoxy, I think and i don't know what else. But we each took a handful and had the worst night of our lives. I don't know what else is in those things, but they did weird shit to me. I couldn't even stand up straight or talk riight.

[Duckfeet]

Yep, Neo-perks (propoxyphene)they are related chemically to methadone...and me and a pal had ridden our harleys down to Tampico, after getting a bunch of k4's up in Galveston....and down there we never found shit, and kept looking, and finally tried the neo-perks, eating 4-5 of them, and drinking our usual steady beers...and about twenty minutes later I remember us looking at each other, and being stoked, having a buzz, happy, all that..and we stayed down there until they ran us back to the U.S. and were doing them fuckers all day...for around 3 months

But weird shit began to happen, I had the heaviest hallucination, thought I saw God--and that's tuff for an atheist, I remember him being slightly pissed, about something or another--and on and on....strange fuckers...but I started bringing them back by the thousands, and selling them for a buck or two apiece, and doing pretty good, as they only cost me around 5 cents a pill...girls in the topless bars in S.Louisiana liked'em all right...I started feeling like a righteous fucking *dealer* too, even bought me finally a leather jacket and a buckknife, and finally got rid of those damed Tampico Huaraches and got me a pair of *engineer* boots...I didn't have what u'd call real high standards of success ... but I was looking good, even if it's me saying so ... ;-)

but anyway, yeah, a bullshit drug, all in all...but I was kind of a bullshit boy, anyway, w/nothing but a flat black old panhead w/a suicide clutch, and drunk every fucking day, and a typical border rat down in Brownsville/Matamoros: all kinds of schemes, but no follow thru...but a fine old barfly, working on his story ;-)

Neo-percodans: I was *made* for those drugs...a lowrent boy finds a lowrent opiate...match made in heaven, or wherever the fuck lowrent matches are put together ;-)

I always laugh and think of those days, when people get to bitching about how useless darvocets are: I"ll say it again: propoxyphene was very, very good to me! :krank:

[Indy]

Yea i ended up taking ten of em. That's over a gram of propoxyphene. Feels like diphenoxylate or tramadol a bit. The APAP is getting me nauseous, but i'm actually not in w/d anymore, and my tolerance lately has been pretty high cause of pods, so that's surprising. I really like the high though, plus it lasts a long time. The fact that i even got a "high" is amazing.

[jackjohnson]

Yea i ended up taking ten of em. That's over a gram of propoxyphene. Feels like diphenoxylate or tramadol a bit. The APAP is getting me nauseous, but i'm actually not in w/d anymore, and my tolerance lately has been pretty high cause of pods, so that's surprising. I really like the high though, plus it lasts a long time. The fact that i even got a "high" is amazing.

be careful. i was just reading about this and apparently propoxyphene not only works as an opioid but also as a local anaesthetic and can have pretty bad effects on the heart. be careful, i would definitely not go any higher then a gram of the stuff, and thats a pretty extreme dose.

from wiki:

Both propoxyphene and norpropoxyphene also have direct cardiac effects which include decreased heart rate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_rate), decreased contractility (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contractility), and decreased electrical conductivity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_conductivity) (ie, increased PR, AH, HV, and QRS intervals). Norpropoxyphene is several times more potent than propoxyphene in this activity. These effects appear to be due to their local anesthetic activity and are not reversed by naloxone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naloxone).[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dextropropoxyphene#_note-Nickander1)[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dextropropoxyphene#_note-Bredgaard1)[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dextropropoxyphene#_note-Strom1)
Both propoxyphene and norpropoxyphene are potent blockers of cardiac membrane (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cardiac_membrane&action=edit) sodium channels (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_channels) and are more potent than lidocaine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lidocaine), quinidine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quinidine), and procainamide (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Procainamide) in this respect.[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dextropropoxyphene#_note-Holland1)

and the dude who said methadone is worse for your heart then propoxyphene.....do a little research before you say things like that friend. methadone isnt nearly as bad for your heart as propoxyphene, especially because methadone is NOT a local anaesthetic like propoxyphene.

[Duckfeet]

I remember when me and T started reading that they were kind of bad for you, and by then we both had hepC and shit, and we thought, fuck, cuz in those days, nobody knew nothing about apap or harmreduction or any of that...so we probably gobbled the equivalent of 30-40 darvocets a day...no wonder I'm so twisted...and weirdly enough, they usually did get us "well" if we were dopesick, which we usuallly were by the time we got to the border...but yeah, it's bad for you...don't do!

[Indy]

Man this shit is weird. Music seems like it's on fast forward, but nothing else seems like it's moving faster. Very strange for an opioid, feels almost like atropine.

[I'm-Nod-Addicted]

Most I've ever taken at once was 4....and TBH, it was kinda powerful- ha ha ha!

[Duckfeet]

Yeah, I always drank with it...either Bacardi anejo, or Tecate beer...always worked for me, and I think the dangers are overrated, myself...as I ate tons of that shit....but yeah, definitely weird...but you'll live thru it...I just used to fill up *notebooks* with all the strange thoughts I'd get on that shit...actually have one, from about 20 years ago, funny, where I was trying to "cut back" on the shit, and was doing pushups and all kinds of crap, down in Matamoros...
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but I couldn't stand the shit without alcohol...of course, that too, is warned against heavily in Wiki...oh well, *now* they tell me...haha.....


Man this shit is weird. Music seems like it's on fast forward, but nothing else seems like it's moving faster. Very strange for an opioid, feels almost like atropine.

[Indy]

DAMN that was a trip. makes you stupid, like dxm. kept w/d away though. tylenol's a bitch though. ughhhh

[reddragon3668]

Good ole' darvocet. My mother used to get those big ass pinkish pills by the bucket load. About eight years ago, while recovering from back surgery, I come back here to NC to take care of my mom. She was sick and I needed to get out of dodge so I wouldn't kill my ex-wife (long story). I was off opiates because I was feeling much much better after surgery, but I wasn't quite able to go back to work yet. Got here and decided to take a plumbing job with a company out of Virgina who was remodeling the old Marine barracks on Camp Johnson. Incidentally, it was the first black training post in the US, and we were redoing the very barracks where the first black Marines stayed.

I immediately started hurting to beat the band, so I would come home and eat those Darvocets like a fiend. I didn't really know much about harm reduction at the time either, all I knew is that I was in pain, and about 10 of those bad boys did the trick. Of course, it wasn't long before I was back on Oxycontin. I lasted another 15 months, plumbed a school and a new commissary on another military base, and I was through.

Darvocet isn't much good unless your in a pinch. But, I'd eat 'em if I had too.

[irish]

It's amazing the stuff that we will put down/ refuse, but when you are sick it's a god-send.

[roxi*stardust]

Yeah, I always drank with it...either Bacardi anejo, or Tecate beer...always worked for me, and I think the dangers are overrated, myself...as I ate tons of that shit....but yeah, definitely weird...but you'll live thru it...I just used to fill up *notebooks* with all the strange thoughts I'd get on that shit...actually have one, from about 20 years ago, funny, where I was trying to "cut back" on the shit, and was doing pushups and all kinds of crap, down in Matamoros...
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but I couldn't stand the shit without alcohol...of course, that too, is warned against heavily in Wiki...oh well, *now* they tell me...haha.....
I love Tecate! I wouldn't worry about the Darvies unless you are taking fist fulls of them several times daily for a long period. My dad used to eat these by the fist full, seriously. He ate them like Duck did. 5-6 a pop and wash them down with a six pack.

[Indy]

I have a pretty decent tolerance, but it's been lower recently. Still, 10 darvocets was enough to bring me from full on W/D (well maybe not full, like 36-40 hour mark) to a decent buzz. I was amazed. It SUCKED later on though. For one i didn't extract the APAP so that made me sick (dumb i know), but mainly it was the "stupifying effect".

I am AMAZED at how similar this shit is to dxm (the couple times i've tried it anyways). Not a high dose, a low-ish one, but still, it has that same....slo-mo sort of effect. I'd suggest anyone who likes DXM to give darvocet a shot in larger amounts (but do a cold water extraction: sure you might be like me and say fuck my liver, i'm only doing this once, but either way your TUMMY WILL HURT and it's not like normal opiate nausea), er not a literal shot, but a try. Unfortunately i hate dxm and my quest for poppy seeds (had to take a kind of long drive late at night) was kinda unpleasant. Oh well, all's good now.

[Duckfeet]

I"m glad to hear that: I know when u were talking about it yesterday, it brought back some kind of spooky memories, and I didn't want to make it worse, since I know for me, I"m affected by what I *think* is going to happen, and if enough people say it causes siezures or heart attacks or shit like that, I"m *bound* to gettem....but anyway, what u went thru, seems I went thru a bunch on those mexican percs, which were the same thing...glad yer o.k....


I have a pretty decent tolerance, but it's been lower recently. Still, 10 darvocets was enough to bring me from full on W/D (well maybe not full, like 36-40 hour mark) to a decent buzz. I was amazed. It SUCKED later on though. For one i didn't extract the APAP so that made me sick (dumb i know), but mainly it was the "stupifying effect".

I am AMAZED at how similar this shit is to dxm (the couple times i've tried it anyways). Not a high dose, a low-ish one, but still, it has that same....slo-mo sort of effect. I'd suggest anyone who likes DXM to give darvocet a shot in larger amounts (but do a cold water extraction: sure you might be like me and say fuck my liver, i'm only doing this once, but either way your TUMMY WILL HURT and it's not like normal opiate nausea), er not a literal shot, but a try. Unfortunately i hate dxm and my quest for poppy seeds (had to take a kind of long drive late at night) was kinda unpleasant. Oh well, all's good now.

[Indy]

Yea good thing you didn't. I'm like that too. I didn't have the "kicks" until i read about RLS. It at least got me a klonopin script though (which actually worked good when i wasn't on opiates and had normal RLS). DF you do remind me of myself sometimes, not trying to be all brotherly love or anything, just something i've noticed. Maybe that's wishful thinking, or maybe it's self-deprecation, after all who wants to be like an old man when you're young? Just bustin' ya, man.

[Dr. Oxy]

Chill indy, these are what i'm prescribed and after i got my cath put in, i took 11 to sleep. The liver is much tougher than most people think. all that 4g's a day stuff only apllies if you take the drug every day for years upon years.

[Duckfeet]

No, I agree Indy, I'll see how u act in some situations, and I'll think, yep, this is my nephew haha :-) but we're cool, I know we both just try to get along on here, and do the best we can, in a world where they don't give out operating manuals. Raining cats and dogs out here....

And let me tell you, I don't miss being young: being young was *hard!* Being old, like, I get more slack...only bummer is that I figured by now the doc'd be laying out the dilaudids for me, but nope, I picked kind of a bad time to be an old fart, since oxys done brought the wrath of God and Dea both down on us, while used to be, nobody knew about this shit...now, the secret is out: pain pills make u feel better ;-)

I take that back, I saw a really pretty girl today at the clinic. Every time I see her, I think, being old sucks...yup...don't rush to get here ;-)


Yea good thing you didn't. I'm like that too. I didn't have the "kicks" until i read about RLS. It at least got me a klonopin script though (which actually worked good when i wasn't on opiates and had normal RLS). DF you do remind me of myself sometimes, not trying to be all brotherly love or anything, just something i've noticed. Maybe that's wishful thinking, or maybe it's self-deprecation, after all who wants to be like an old man when you're young? Just bustin' ya, man.

[pun1178]

You have my symathy for wding i remember when i could get high with dav but my first ever nod was 2 10mg endocets i remember feeing like the world was great lol.

[Shotalotofdopeamus]

even back when railing 20mg of oc had me ROCKED taking a literal fuck ton of darvocet never did anything to me. My buddies mom had a big ol bottle of em and used to had them out like m&m's to us. I think the most I ever took was 10 at once. I envy those who get stoned of off them.

[PantyShot9]

if ur worried about cardiotoxicity methadone has a way higher cardiotoxicity than anything. and im not saying that to be a doosh im stating the truth form the resources i read

Really where is the data if I could see it? Although I don't question it considering propoxyphene is structured from methadone.

[PantyShot9]

I have a pretty decent tolerance, but it's been lower recently. Still, 10 darvocets was enough to bring me from full on W/D (well maybe not full, like 36-40 hour mark) to a decent buzz. I was amazed. It SUCKED later on though. For one i didn't extract the APAP so that made me sick (dumb i know), but mainly it was the "stupifying effect".

I am AMAZED at how similar this shit is to dxm (the couple times i've tried it anyways). Not a high dose, a low-ish one, but still, it has that same....slo-mo sort of effect. I'd suggest anyone who likes DXM to give darvocet a shot in larger amounts (but do a cold water extraction: sure you might be like me and say fuck my liver, i'm only doing this once, but either way your TUMMY WILL HURT and it's not like normal opiate nausea), er not a literal shot, but a try. Unfortunately i hate dxm and my quest for poppy seeds (had to take a kind of long drive late at night) was kinda unpleasant. Oh well, all's good now.

I agree Indy on the DXM part. And whenever I took too much I did feel a strange subtle ill feeling.

[LorTabitha]

Hey Duck, they still sell those lovely NPs in Mexico! They're about $1.25 -$1.50 a pill though now, and are a LOT harder to get back across the border. (Especially if you've ever been caught with them before.) I've taken the NPs on an empty stomach by the handful and they do have a stupifying effect, like some of you have described. (and even more so when mixed with a few Mexican Soma or some xannies!)

I also find that if I take more than 2-3 at a time my hearing is intensified to the point where loud noises are physically painful. We usually stop at a shopping center in California right after coming back from Mexico to clean up, do some shopping, etc. The loudspeaker in Target just about kills me every time. I want to crawl under the displays and hide!

All in all, they don't do much other than keep the w/ds at bay, but they're at least good for that.

[DCBA]

IVed dextro-proproxyphene is a great rush for anyone with little tolerance. trust swim

[Duckfeet]

Yeah, I laugh now, that even oxys don't make a dent in me, but them NP's were all I knew how to get down there, and really, I'd buy thousands at 40 bucks a thou...dirt cheap, and all kinds of people, even knowing they weren't *real* percs would buy'em of me, but yeah, I'd stuff in hidden places in cars, and even tho they'd dogs on'em, and suspected me, and checked good, they never got'em....

Now, of course, wouldn't want'em, but back then I'd love those little boxes of ten, on a little aluminum strip, and gobble 4-5 and a beer, and consider myself lucky ;-)

I actually got stopped headed north, and they found a bag of'em on me--not knowing I had thousands hidden--and I was just telling my friend, riding with me, that *every* time I went thru Alvin, before getting to HOuston, I got stopped, and bigger'n shit we got stopped...and they found the percs, and did big drug test on them, but I told'em they were just some generic bs, and they got all mad too, but the idiots were doing tests that showed *oxycodone* and mex percs don't come *near* oxycodone, so they found zip...and my friend had been a Bandido, and they had his name on some list...but anyway...we skated...but Alvin TX: avoid! ;-)


Hey Duck, they still sell those lovely NPs in Mexico! They're about $1.25 -$1.50 a pill though now, and are a LOT harder to get back across the border. (Especially if you've ever been caught with them before.) I've taken the NPs on an empty stomach by the handful and they do have a stupifying effect, like some of you have described. (and even more so when mixed with a few Mexican Soma or some xannies!)

I also find that if I take more than 2-3 at a time my hearing is intensified to the point where loud noises are physically painful. We usually stop at a shopping center in California right after coming back from Mexico to clean up, do some shopping, etc. The loudspeaker in Target just about kills me every time. I want to crawl under the displays and hide!

All in all, they don't do much other than keep the w/ds at bay, but they're at least good for that.

[PantyShot9]

IVed dextro-proproxyphene is a great rush for anyone with little tolerance. trust swim

Is the propoxyphene in Darvocet and Darvon dextropropoxyphene?

[bronyraur]

Is the propoxyphene in Darvocet and Darvon dextropropoxyphene?

Nope. Darvocet has propoxyphene napsylate, and Darvon has propoxyphene HCl

[PantyShot9]

Nope. Darvocet has propoxyphene napsylate, and Darvon has propoxyphene HCl


That's what I thought so what is dextropropoxyphene?

[Duckfeet]

Here u go:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dextropropoxyphene

[DCBA]

dextropropoxyphene is the active isomer (2x more potent than propoxyphene), the levo part is more dxm like..

And about IVing these,ppl tend to associate its week potency to codeine, but they tend to forget that unlike codeine it has direct effect on mu receptors and good lipid solubitlity leading to a rush when ived.

[Ickyuck]

SWIM took 5 100/650 pills to ease withdrawals. THen he looked it up and found out it can stop the heart.

Is SWIM fucked?

Fuck it, it'd be better than withdrawal.

EDIT: alright before anyone gets their panties in a bunch i wasn't serious about that last comment, i'll take care of myself. also feel free to move this if need be.

I took about 6 or 7 once, well aware of the liver toxicity. I was a zombie. Not fun.

But Darvocet is fun when you have nothing else. Its a nice, feeling-wasted and spacey high.

[insaneike]

Man reading about you pl who have felt ANYTHING from darvos, even ease of WD, makes me so fkn jealous! Bitches lol. Back when I first stArted opis and not even dependant and 30mg hydro or 20mg oxy would get me good I took 7 or 8 darocet b4 and didn't feel jack shit. Tried 6-8 about 4yrs ago when alsready dependant with some lortabs, and no surprise, dind't even ease WD the slightest...

everyone si diff tho, and if you can feel ANYTHING from any reasonable dose of darvos, well, consider yourself one lucky SOB! Because for a big portion of the population, they are literally no better than OTC acetaminophen tabs...
Same goes for lortab for me... but when I first started opis I could do just like 30mg and feel pretty okay. Now I could do 200mg of extracted hydrocodo and not evne get well lol, it's shit and sad how toler gets god.
Man you ppl eat too many of these darvos n lotab n crap in hopes for getting well lol, I always keep a good 100 super jumbo pod oder downstairs for an emergency EMERGENCY! Prolly won't ever get used but it's good to have on hand, has saved me b4 thats for sure! Now I just would go to the ER for my pain if I ever was in WD again..

Good luck and hope the crap didn't hurt ya too much man!
later

[vanilla_mlkshake2007]

I was a darvocet addict for years I would take 8-10 for breakfast.It would only cost me 10 bucks a day.How I wish I was only hooked on those and would have never tried anything else .