Swiped some scripts... Need some help!

[EleusisII]

Okay, no SWIM bullshit.
Went to a doctor the other day, and when he went out for a minute, I swiped some blank scripts. The tamperproof kind :)

The doctors closed a certain day of the week, and this is when I figure I'll go to the pharmacy (With a backdated script, and a fake name of course)

Now, this is in Canada, and I know the basic layout of a percocet script. My question is: I've never seen a script for oxycontins here in Canada, so I was wondering if they use a special kind of script, or if they use the regular script for those?
I might go for a reasonable amount of OC's (20 mg * 30), I assume it's once a day prn pain? Could anyone with a legit script check it?

My second question... I've usually gotten scripted for 30-40 percocets. On one rare occasion I got scripted for a hundred, but that's a little risky to do yourself. Now: What is the smart amount to write for. Should I give myself 40, since I never had a pharmacist even look at me twice for a script like that, or do docs occasionally script for 50 or 60? I assume 60 is a pretty good amount, since that comes to twice a day.

Thanks!

[jab]

I don't know the answers to your questions really, but i was hoping I could at least give you one tiny piece of advice??

PLEASE, don't do it!!

It is not worth the risk.. Sooner or later you will get caught and the consequences are just not worth the reward.

Good luck and be safe!!

[EleusisII]

Quite ironic advice, from a guy with your sig-pic, no? :)

The thing is: I don't know how things work in the US, but every single time I've filled a script for percs in Canada, whether for 20, 30 or 100, I never had any problems. Nobody calling the doctors office to confirm, zip, zilch, zero!

So I figure, as long as I have the script-lingo down OK, i'll be fine. Especially if I stick with Percs, where I kinda know the routine.

I never filled a script for OCs here, so thought I'd ask around before I'll try anything...

And BTW: You're probably right, Jab... As a matter of fact, I should probably quit opies all together, and start reading some more books. Or take up stamps again. Yeah, I'll try that next week! Definetly before New Years... Yeah, just one more week... :)

[I'm-Nod-Addicted]

Dude, that could land you in some serious trouble...at least here in the US!

It probably wouldn't be all that difficult to find out it's you. At least wear a disguise and walk to the Pharma if you do it. CAMERAS ARE EVERYWHERE!!!

Good luck w/ whatever you do....

[RxQueen]

Quite ironic advice, from a guy with your sig-pic, no? :)


quite an ironic comment for someone with your sig-pic, no?

sorry, couldn't resist being a smart-ass there. but be careful about bustin' on folks giving good advice, just because of a picture, or because they appear to be a shooter. some could take a lot of offense to that...

i guess that it's pointless for me to also say that this probably isn't a good idea? i know nothing about canada's policies on scripts, or about your circumstances though. but i hope you get the answers you're looking for. just be prepared for a few more well-meaning junkies to offer you the chance to opt out of this plan without shame.

be safe and good luck.

[Ludakris]

I used to work in a very large, high volume Pharmacy (in the states), my advice would be not try to forge a script for anything that you haven't been RX'd before. The chance is much higher of them contacting the Dr. (they may even refuse to fill until they get a hold of at least someone in the office) if you've had a steady supply of Percs coming in and all of a sudden you're getting RX'd for OC's. Especially these days, red flags go off much easier. Now, if you've been RX'd 100 percs in the past, you are probably safer doing that, than changing the type of meds.

Of course, the risk is on your hands, just try and heed some warnings here.

[roxi*stardust]

Okay, no SWIM bullshit.
Went to a doctor the other day, and when he went out for a minute, I swiped some blank scripts. The tamperproof kind :)

The doctors closed a certain day of the week, and this is when I figure I'll go to the pharmacy (With a backdated script, and a fake name of course)

Now, this is in Canada, and I know the basic layout of a percocet script. My question is: I've never seen a script for oxycontins here in Canada, so I was wondering if they use a special kind of script, or if they use the regular script for those?
I might go for a reasonable amount of OC's (20 mg * 30), I assume it's once a day prn pain? Could anyone with a legit script check it?

My second question... I've usually gotten scripted for 30-40 percocets. On one rare occasion I got scripted for a hundred, but that's a little risky to do yourself. Now: What is the smart amount to write for. Should I give myself 40, since I never had a pharmacist even look at me twice for a script like that, or do docs occasionally script for 50 or 60? I assume 60 is a pretty good amount, since that comes to twice a day.

Thanks!
First my advice is not to do this. Doing this and getting caught can and will get you a life of NEVER getting a doctor to script you ANY pain meds, not to mention it is a sure fire way to get your ass thrown in jail.
Now that I have gave you my advice. The answer to your question is NO OxyContin is not a PRN pain reliever. It is for chronic pain and is given routinely. A normal RX for it would say 1 tablet twice daily. Did I mention that I would not do this. Remember RPH's usually recognize a doctors handwriting. Especially since you are talking about taking this to your normal pharm.

[NV12]

Okay, no SWIM bullshit.
Went to a doctor the other day, and when he went out for a minute, I swiped some blank scripts. The tamperproof kind :)

The doctors closed a certain day of the week, and this is when I figure I'll go to the pharmacy (With a backdated script, and a fake name of course)

Now, this is in Canada, and I know the basic layout of a percocet script. My question is: I've never seen a script for oxycontins here in Canada, so I was wondering if they use a special kind of script, or if they use the regular script for those?
I might go for a reasonable amount of OC's (20 mg * 30), I assume it's once a day prn pain? Could anyone with a legit script check it?

My second question... I've usually gotten scripted for 30-40 percocets. On one rare occasion I got scripted for a hundred, but that's a little risky to do yourself. Now: What is the smart amount to write for. Should I give myself 40, since I never had a pharmacist even look at me twice for a script like that, or do docs occasionally script for 50 or 60? I assume 60 is a pretty good amount, since that comes to twice a day.

Thanks!
If OC's are not prescribed as much in Canada (I'm assuming), then wouldn't that increase the risk of the pharmacy calling the doctor... among all the other red flags as others mentioned above?

I am positive there is no good reason to do that. But then again, are there any good logical reasons to be a junky... ;)

Hope you make the best decision on this one...

[reddragon3668]

I don't think I've ever seen a "happy" ending to something like this. Sooner or later, you get caught, and then you feel like a dumbass and wish you'd never thought of such a thing. I hope it works out better for you, but this has been tried, more than once, and while some get lucky, mostly, its not a pleasant experience. Just search the board.. there are a number of post here about this and how people got caught and it was just not a good scene. I'd listen to Rx, she knows what she's talking about.

[EleusisII]

Thanks one and all... Good advice.

Maybe I should have made this point a little clearer: There are no RX database in Ontario, so that's not a risk. Also: I rarely use the same pharmacy (For the same reason why I always get my percs from different doctors), so there's no risk of a pharmacist noticing me changing doctors or something like that. I'll be a brand new customer. (And yeah, he could call the doctors office, but as I mentioned, I'll be going on a day they're closed. Or go there in the evening. Also, might be that Canadian pharmacists are more liberal than in the US, but I never really noticed them giving a damn, or doing anything about their suspicions).

Wideopensky: I don't think that OCs are prescribed less often than in the US, it's just that I never had any prescribed to me.

[bronyraur]

Like everyone else said, DON'T DO IT.

You may get away with it once or twice, or even for a month or more, but when you get nailed they're gonna come down on you like a ton of bricks.

That being said, if you want Percocet, use some common sense. Doctors usually write out Percs for either a week at a time (for someone who was acute pain), or monthly (for a chronic condition).

For what you're doing, I'd go for the weekly amount (actually I wouldn't do it at all).

[jab]

Quite ironic advice, from a guy with your sig-pic, no? :)

Really?? What the hell does my avatar have to with giving you some sound advice? Because I use, maybe even IV (GAWD forbid) I must also write bad scripts, steal, cheat, etc.?? Uhm, no! Unlike you, I get my meds with a REAL script.

The thing is: I don't know how things work in the US, but every single time I've filled a script for percs in Canada, whether for 20, 30 or 100, I never had any problems. Nobody calling the doctors office to confirm, zip, zilch, zero!

Ok, then why ask us? You got it all worked out. No one at the pharmacy questions your legit perc scripts, so why would they care about your fake OC script?? Sure, go for it. I advise you make it 300 80mg OCs (5p.o every 4hrs). You're all set.

So I figure, as long as I have the script-lingo down OK, i'll be fine. Especially if I stick with Percs, where I kinda know the routine.

Like I said, you got it all worked out, what you askin' us fo?? Go allready, hook it up.

I never filled a script for OCs here, so thought I'd ask around before I'll try anything...

Nah, no worries, remember, you get percs all the time.. NO QUESTIONS ASKED. You're golden!!

And BTW: You're probably right, Jab... As a matter of fact, I should probably quit opies all together, and start reading some more books. Or take up stamps again. Yeah, I'll try that next week! Definetly before New Years... Yeah, just one more week... :)

Nah, fuck that, why quit?? Quitter!! Do more!! C'mon!!

I never realised what a sanctimonious jack-ass you can be. I try to give you some reasonable advice and you make some BS post to try to make me look like a hypocrit because of an avatar? Guess what.. You failed. You did, however, succeed in making yourself look like a complete idiot.

Here's my last bit of advice.. Though I'm sure you won't take it either (I mean for real, look at my avatar, duh).. Don't drop the soap!

NEXT!

[Nate]

My pharmacist always calls the scripts to the doctor for confirmation, once even for trams.

Fuck the plan man, dont do it.

[Papa Verine]

I say go for it. Everything's a misdemeanor in Canada anyway. Pharmacies there are about 20 years behind us here. If I were you, I'd fill those scripts out for whatever you want and go get em. Like jab said, make it a couple hundred OC 80's.

My friend filled a fake script here in the US for 260 10mg methadone pills. The only problem the pharmacy gave him was that they didn't have that many and he'd have to come back later for the rest of it. No problem. I told him NOT to do it, I promised him he'd get busted, but he didn't. I guess it depends on who's working at the pharmacy.

Go for the big score. What are those Canadian mounted police going to do anyway? Or those judges with the white wigs???

I'm just fuckin with ya'!!! But the story about the methadone is true. He got them.

[the Red qUeen]

Okay, see my other posts titled Sober, with a bottle full of oxys.
Now, I have every right to advise against this. I also have the medical knowledge to tell you exactly how to do it. It really makes no difference how good you are at, I managed to get 31 felonies and I know all the Latin to write them, the prescribing guidelines, AND, had the doc in my pocket! All it takes is a busy-body pharmacist or a cop with a boner and you are FUCKED.
I admit, I have no understanding of the way things work in Canada, I spend my International time elsewhere, but I would guess you'd also be looking at a theft charge in the event you got caught.
Dude, take it from someone who found out the hard way, stay free to do drugs at will. Catching charges over this is bullshit! Consider yourself lucky to have not been busted on the way out the door at the doctor's office and don't EVER DO THAT AGAIN!!
I managed to handle my shady business like a pro for years, but it doesn't matter how much you get away with, only how LITTLE you get caught with!

[Duckfeet]

Everybody I met who could really write scripts said the same thing, eventually: and most of'em I met were in prison, and that's how me and my old lady got busted, after years of getting away with it...they know, after a while, and they get you, but it gets so good to u, u just can't stop, until the cops are beating on yer door...

My experience is just like w/i.v.ing dope: u better look hard down that road, cuz it usually ends badly....


Okay, see my other posts titled Sober, with a bottle full of oxys.
Now, I have every right to advise against this. I also have the medical knowledge to tell you exactly how to do it. It really makes no difference how good you are at, I managed to get 31 felonies and I know all the Latin to write them, the prescribing guidelines, AND, had the doc in my pocket! All it takes is a busy-body pharmacist or a cop with a boner and you are FUCKED.
I admit, I have no understanding of the way things work in Canada, I spend my International time elsewhere, but I would guess you'd also be looking at a theft charge in the event you got caught.
Dude, take it from someone who found out the hard way, stay free to do drugs at will. Catching charges over this is bullshit! Consider yourself lucky to have not been busted on the way out the door at the doctor's office and don't EVER DO THAT AGAIN!!
I managed to handle my shady business like a pro for years, but it doesn't matter how much you get away with, only how LITTLE you get caught with!

[EleusisII]

Unlike you, I get my meds with a REAL script.

Great! I guess that makes you better than 80% of people on the site. With that attitude, are you sure drugbuyers.com isn't a better plae for you? From what I've seen it seems to be a popular place for addicts, oh sorry pain-sufferers, to sit and bitch sanctimonously about other addicts.

NEXT!

Huh?!? Are you one of those guys, who think that every other post is some kind of a dick-measuring contest, or a challenge to their macho-ness? Either that, or your mistook this for a douche-baggery competition.
Anyways, I suggest you PM me your high-horsed/rightiously offended reply. Shame to waste everybodys bandwith on going off-topic...

So anyways, are there any canadians who have experience with OC-scripts and any special procedures there are with those?

As for percocets, I have some old scripts and 1-2 q4o prn 40 (forty) seems to be the way to go... Right?
I guess if I made this 2 q4o then a script for sixty wouldn't be pushing it?

Oh BTW: We're talking about 4 scripts. I wouldn't trust myself with a whole pad :)

[scramble]

Yeah man, fuck the phony scripts.....go cop some dope.

Leave forgery to the pros.

[underide]

......Leave forgery to the pros.

....and soon to be cons..
I don't know how it is in Canada or the US, but over here, either the rx system is abuse-proof, or the local junkie con artists ain't trying hard enough.
Do what you want man, just don't be TOO bummed out if you do end up in jail.

[the Red qUeen]

Great! I guess that makes you better than 80% of people on the site. With that attitude, are you sure drugbuyers.com isn't a better plae for you? From what I've seen it seems to be a popular place for addicts, oh sorry pain-sufferers, to sit and bitch sanctimonously about other addicts.



Huh?!? Are you one of those guys, who think that every other post is some kind of a dick-measuring contest, or a challenge to their macho-ness? Either that, or your mistook this for a douche-baggery competition.
Anyways, I suggest you PM me your high-horsed/rightiously offended reply. Shame to waste everybodys bandwith on going off-topic...

Sanctimonious and Bandwidth in the same post....hmmm, you ARE smarter than the average bear, I mean, addict....

[Lu_cid]

Why dont you just sell the unused scripts to some one, and buy what you want with the money that they give you. I'm sure there is a market for them. Plus its allot safer.

Good luck with what ever you do though.

[Chris_Thantos]

The thing that kills me about your plan is this - You admit that you have no idea how to do this - (Or at least your questions seem to prove you have no idea how to do this) Yet people with very real life experience / problems which came about from doing this very thing offer you up good advice and to skip over it like ---- it's the wrong answer or bad advice. It may be the wrong answer because it's not the one your looking for, or bad advice because you made up your mind already.

The only thing I will say is all signs point to jail - you might get away with it once but you will get caught in the end. Everyone does so if it is worth it to you quit killing time asking questions to which you receive answers you could give a shit about and get to the pharmacy and prove everyone wrong -

kId

[EleusisII]

The thing that kills me about your plan is this - You admit that you have no idea how to do thisWell, no: A script for percs isn't a problem. That's one thing.
But I'm not sure what the procedure for an OC script is, which is why I'm asking. I wouldn't try writing for it, without knowing a little more. AFAIK there are no special scripts for oxycontin, nothing I've read so far anyways. Which is why I'm asking if there are any Canadians that has experience with it.

Why dont you just sell the unused scripts to some one, and buy what you want with the money that they give you. I'm sure there is a market for them. Plus its allot safer.

Killer suggestion. If I only had those contacts, or the time to make them. Or at least knew a good dealer. From what I hear a 40mg OC is around 10 dollars here, but this part of Canada seems to be crack-country. :(

[kil092286]

Killer suggestion. If I only had those contacts, or the time to make them. Or at least knew a good dealer. From what I hear a 40mg OC is around 10 dollars here, but this part of Canada seems to be crack-country. :(

So whats up, did you do it yet? I wanna know how it turns out..

[irish]

Well, I'm Canadian and I've been around a little while. Everyone I have ever known that decided to bust scripts got caught. Maybe not the same day or week, but they all got caught. Chances are that the doctor already knows that they are missing the blanks, they do count them after all. You might get the dope, and you might not. Either way you will get caught.

[ChristianP]

Jab there were about 7000000 SAT words in your last post....:D

[jab]

Great! I guess that makes you better than 80% of people on the site. With that attitude, are you sure drugbuyers.com isn't a better plae for you? From what I've seen it seems to be a popular place for addicts, oh sorry pain-sufferers, to sit and bitch sanctimonously about other addicts.

You're right, I don't belong here, and my pain isn't real.. I'll go tell my neuro that my MS is not real cuz the great Eleusis doesn't belive it. Fuck, it's only terminal brain rot, what harm or pain could that cause a person? I'm sure your percs were for something much more serious, er I mean real.

I think it's patently amusing that you not only point fingers accusing people of being addicts, on a forum dedicated to opiates, but you also try to act like you're on some moral high-ground; inside your own thread asking for information on how to FORGE prescriptions! Classic! You are attempting to be a criminal, in more ways than one, and are trying to act as if you are better than anyone?

Keep trying pal.

Huh?!? Are you one of those guys, who think that every other post is some kind of a dick-measuring contest, or a challenge to their macho-ness? Either that, or your mistook this for a douche-baggery competition.
Anyways, I suggest you PM me your high-horsed/rightiously offended reply. Shame to waste everybodys bandwith on going off-topic...

Why should I PM you? If you have something to say, say it, as will I. Remember though, you took the first pot-shots, not me. I was simply trying to give you some sound advice; the same sound advice that several other posters have given you.. You know, harm reduction.. and you chose to attempt to degrade me becuase of my avatar!

The only wasted bandwidth is your weak-assed attempt to save face; when you KNOW what you said was completely rediculous. Heck, read some of the posts right after your reply to me, and you'll see you were called on your tone. Even referred to your own avatar, as to your behavior (you know the douchebag thing).

Macho-ness (sic)? Douche-baggery (sic) (there is is again.. you really have a thing with douches, don't you)? me on my high horse? Are these the best comments you can form with that single-digit IQ brain of yours? You sir/madam are a complete imbecile! Please do proceed with your cleverly crafted plan to steal scheduled narcotics from a pharmacy with the stolen scripts from your doctor.

I'll wait for your next attempt at humor with baited-breath.

Oh wait, off topic?? Please show me where I went off topic please, I missed it. Was it my suggestion that you not be a criminal (i.e. thief, forger, etc) or was it my reply to each of your statements in turn? Either way, seems on topic to me.

Are you really this ignorant in real life too? I fear the response!

[jab]

*takes bow* Thank you, thank you.. you're too kind. :D

Jab there were about 7000000 SAT words in your last post....:D

[ZodiacKiller]

I gota concur with most of the above advice---I'd advise against this. There's too many variables that could go wrong, and unless you're well-versed in the gobble-dee-gook that docs use to write 'em out (I know I can't make sense of of their scribble, but there was post here some time ago by someone who knew all that stuff---do a search and maybe you can find it). But I know that I wouldn't have the stones to attempt this and if you do, more power to ya, just be advised that I'm sure the consequences would be severe---even in Canada).

So, good luck, and BE CAREFUL!

ZK

[Uncle Wiggly]

Okay, no SWIM bullshit.
Went to a doctor the other day, and when he went out for a minute, I swiped some blank scripts. The tamper proof kind


Hi, I'm not your momma or daddy but for what my .02 is worth I think you're playing with fire. I don't know of any one who's tried to fake scripts that hasn't got caught - usually sooner than later. The pharmacies in the States have cameras watching the counter so you'd best put on your biggest smile.:cool: Even if the docs office is closed that day the pharmacy will contact them eventually.

You can also bet that the doc you swiped the pad from will(or already has) figured out what happened to it. Plus if there is anything "funny" looking about the script and the pharmacist sees it, somebody will be on the phone to the cops while he's telling you, "It'll just be a couple of minutes."

Like I said before, this is just my .02 but at least think about all the possible the consequences. A lot of real bad stuff can happen. You should really think this through and don't rush into anything you might regret. Best of luck.

[roxi*stardust]

My advice is the same as everyone else's. It's not worth it. But since you aren't going to take any of our advice on this here is the answer to your question again. OxyContin is not an "as needed" or prn medication. It is for chronic pain so it is given routinely, generally twice daily or every 12 hours. I know all the lingo and I wouldn't try to pull this off myself but if you get caught don't say you were not warned. Here are some sig code off the top of my head.
The o's below next to the q4 should be superscripted but I can't get the html to work
q4o- every 4 hours
q6o- every 6 hours
q12o- every 12 hours
prn- as needed
qd- daily or every day
qam- every morning
qhs- every bedtime
qod- every other day
bid- twice a day
tid- three times a day
qid- four times a day
po- by mouth
gtts- drops
aa- equal parts or of each
hs- bedtime
od-right eye
os- left eye
ou- both eyes
mEq- millieqivalents

[the Red qUeen]

Just one more tidbit of information, since oxys are CII in the US, there are certain states that require special prescription pads be used for those medications. Texas is one state where a form called a "triplicate" is required for certain controlled substances, and every state I know of requires that the doc's DEA number be on the script if it is for any narcotic at all. This is one of those fine print details that will get you busted if it's missing. I had that on all of mine, I STILL remember the number! Hell, I forget my own name sometimes, but I bet I never forget that number. Needless to say, it wasn't that detail that ended my script scribing spree! You know, this is the kind of situation where if you gotta ask these things, there's your FIRST CLUE you have NO BUSINESS DOING IT!! It's the equivalent of buying a book called, "Script Writing For Dummies" or, "Forgery for Freshmen"! LOLOL
This is not a course you can expect to read the Cliff's Notes on and still pass the final!

[WarmCyanide]

My advice is the same as everyone else's. It's not worth it. But since you aren't going to take any of our advice on this here is the answer to your question again. OxyContin is not an "as needed" or prn medication. It is for chronic pain so it is given routinely, generally twice daily or every 12 hours. I know all the lingo and I wouldn't try to pull this off myself but if you get caught don't say you were not warned. Here are some sig code off the top of my head.
The o's below next to the q4 should be superscripted but I can't get the html to work
q4o- every 4 hours
q6o- every 6 hours
q12o- every 12 hours
prn- as needed
qd- daily or every day
qam- every morning
qhs- every bedtime
qod- every other day
bid- twice a day
tid- three times a day
qid- four times a day
po- by mouth
gtts- drops
aa- equal parts or of each
hs- bedtime
od-right eye
os- left eye
ou- both eyes
mEq- millieqivalents

very accurate roxi. isn't it q4h instead of q4o. maybe different in human med. but that's what we used in vet med


eleusis. maybe thats an antibiotic injection in jabs avatar.:confused-:o

[Uncle Wiggly]

My advice is the same as everyone else's. It's not worth it. But since you aren't going to take any of our advice on this here is the answer to your question again. OxyContin is not an "as needed" or prn medication. It is for chronic pain so it is given routinely, generally twice daily or every 12 hours. I know all the lingo and I wouldn't try to pull this off myself but if you get caught don't say you were not warned. Here are some sig code off the top of my head.
The o's below next to the q4 should be superscripted but I can't get the html to work
q4o- every 4 hours
q6o- every 6 hours
q12o- every 12 hours
prn- as needed
qd- daily or every day
qam- every morning
qhs- every bedtime
qod- every other day
bid- twice a day
tid- three times a day
qid- four times a day
po- by mouth
gtts- drops
aa- equal parts or of each
hs- bedtime
od-right eye
os- left eye
ou- both eyes
mEq- millieqivalents


Roxi's on the money. There's a lot of fine detail involved in writing a script. The number 1 doesn't look like a 1 - looks like a T with a dot over it etc...:eek: Too much detail for some one with no medical background. Either sell 'em or throw 'em away.

[GoddessofRATs]

So did ya do it? What was the outcome?

GOR

[I-Nod]

we don't something when we do it not done - Kyuss

Some of the best advice can be found in sig quotes :D Wish you all the best, man!

Just curious... wouldn't a 40 or 50 count raise some eyebrows? (I'm not so lucky to get rx'd, an honest curiosity...) You'd already said you were rx'd #40, so obv it's not uncommon... but it's not equally divisible by the days in a month. Perhaps go for 60, if you dare roll the dice at all? Wear your running shoes...

[Cobain]

Im pretty much with everyone else, I wouldnt do it.

but, since this is SWIM, and i dont know or care about this SWIM, try this.

you are the self proclaimed "PRO" with percs.........so script the percs, sell them for as much as you can, take the profit, buy oxy's with them.

but like I and many others have said......better you than me.

[GoddessofRATs]

I have a feeling he's going to do it no matter what we all say. But I'm not judging him, I'm just concerned. I'd really hate to see him or any of you end up in jail for this.

GOR

[Duckfeet]

Or worse luck: get away with it...as then u keep doing it, and they keep records...and it was for *perks* that we got busted...I can't remember why we didn't shoot for dilaudids, but maybe we figured percs would slide by easier....

[EleusisII]

Thanks alot for the advice!
With your tips, and the scripts I've copied through the last months I feel pretty safe, and I'll report back on how it went.
As for #40, somebody was surprised at the amount: that's pretty much a weeks supply, if you take it as directed, so it's not really that much. Now I've had assholes script me 10, 16 and 20, but 40 seems to be an average weeks supply.

Also security seems to be pretty lax in Canada compared to the US. (The script isn't even numbered or anything) Thank god, they don't have med-databases here yet, like they do in some states in the US.

[irish]

We do have med databases. That's how they nail you for doctor-shopping.

[EleusisII]

They have them in some provinces, but not in Ontario. (Except the chainstores like Shoppers, that have their own systems...)

Oh, found this advice in another thread, which seems pretty sound.



My first question is.
Why would you connect yourself w/a fake script? if you pay cash and write it in a phony name,Who cares if the say they wanna call the Dr?Anything goes down,you bounce and thats that.


Also,you always go after 6 or 7 pm so the docs not there.

BEst thing to do if.....your gonna bust a script under your name. Color copy it and use the fake 1 first. Then pay cash for the 2nd one.And use a small store.

DO NOT EVER TRY to pass something you wrote,unless it looks EXACTLY llike the one your copying from.
They ask for photo ID now w/any control substance...In ny.
So....

[irish]

I live in Ontario and I know people who have gotten busted because of databases. There are several unofficial ones run by the pharmacists themselves.

[RxQueen]

Oh, found this advice in another thread, which seems pretty sound.



My first question is.
Why would you connect yourself w/a fake script? if you pay cash and write it in a phony name,Who cares if the say they wanna call the Dr?Anything goes down,you bounce and thats that.


Also,you always go after 6 or 7 pm so the docs not there.

BEst thing to do if.....your gonna bust a script under your name. Color copy it and use the fake 1 first. Then pay cash for the 2nd one.And use a small store.

DO NOT EVER TRY to pass something you wrote,unless it looks EXACTLY llike the one your copying from.
They ask for photo ID now w/any control substance...In ny.
So....

i wouldn't really call any of that sound advice. the worst part of it is that you don't always get the chance to bounce. as uncle wiggly already said, if they see anything shady, they won't let you know. they'll have an assistant in the back quietly call the cops to be there waiting for you, while they go about putting you at ease... y'know, "this will just take a few extra minutes, sir. we're quite busy today. if you'd like to wait, it should be ready for you in about 20 minutes..." you wait, you pay, you walk out the door, right into the arms of the cops.

and i still question the amount of 40 for a week. here in the states, we don't get scripted "roughly" enough for any time frame. since 40 isn't divisible by 7, that's not a week's supply. but 42 would be, if it's something you can take 6 of per day. maybe it's different in canada?

either way, good luck if you decide that you're still gonna go through with this despite all the good advice you've gotten here. and if you do get away with it, please consider not doing it again... like duck said, sometimes you can get away scot-free and it feels so easy, that you keep at it till you get caught. i know that sometimes we opiophiles can get pretty heavy-handed with the "don't do it" kinda advice. but we only do it because we really don't want to see any of our brethren get in trouble.

[roxi*stardust]

very accurate roxi. isn't it q4h instead of q4o. maybe different in human med. but that's what we used in vet med


eleusis. maybe thats an antibiotic injection in jabs avatar.:confused-:o


No it should actually look like a degree symbol, this is why I said superscript o. Some docs do use h or will write hours but the correct latin sig code is a superscript o. Here is a link I googled real quick. First in the search results and a pretty damn good list I must say. Check it out!
http://www.pharmcatalyst.com/techs/sigcodespub.pharm



Thanks alot for the advice!
With your tips, and the scripts I've copied through the last months I feel pretty safe, and I'll report back on how it went.
As for #40, somebody was surprised at the amount: that's pretty much a weeks supply, if you take it as directed, so it's not really that much. Now I've had assholes script me 10, 16 and 20, but 40 seems to be an average weeks supply.

Also security seems to be pretty lax in Canada compared to the US. (The script isn't even numbered or anything) Thank god, they don't have med-databases here yet, like they do in some states in the US.
Oh, I don't know about Canada but here in the US there is a DEA# for each doctor, actually there is a seperate number for controlled drugs. They usually write this number in each script. Anything like that up there?

[EleusisII]

The college of physicians has a number for every doctor, but it's not all doctors that put it on. I think I've only had one out of like every ten scripts, that had the number on it. I think it's a personal habit whether the doctor puts it on the script or not.

Doesn't make much of a difference though, because physicians college has a database on their website, that shows the number along with the doctors name.
I thought about putting it on the script, but since I've rarely seen it, it might attract more attention than good is.

[roxi*stardust]

The college of physicians has a number for every doctor, but it's not all doctors that put it on. I think I've only had one out of like every ten scripts, that had the number on it. I think it's a personal habit whether the doctor puts it on the script or not.

Doesn't make much of a difference though, because physicians college has a database on their website, that shows the number along with the doctors name.
I thought about putting it on the script, but since I've rarely seen it, it might attract more attention than good is.
Wow, Canada does seem really lax comapred to the US in regards to Pharmacy law

[Papa Verine]

I'm just glad all the arguing has stopped. I've been following this thread and I hate reading a back-and-forth arguement.

The advice given by the community was not to do it. That's not a suprize because we always do give good sound advice here, unless we're making jokes as I did. But anyway, we said "don't do it" and the OP can do whatever they want.

[irish]

Just go and do it already! You are obviously determined to. Have fun in jail.

[EleusisII]

Good news everybody!

Went great! My script got refused the first place I tried (We don't carry that), but my luck turned.
And damn, it's a good feeling to look at the bottle. (Take every four hours as needed etc. etc.)
Yup: That's just how I prescribed it!

[SCHTIC]

i can tell you a family member of mine got in lots and lots of trouble for that shit and that was 15 years ago so good luck maby send it to online pharmacy

[AceBeans]

Obviously Eleusis has thought about doing this so lets give him a little more credit. The guy isn't a complete idiot, thats apparent. I mean he's taking the script to the pharm when his Dr's office is closed, using a fake name and I'm sure he's going to a pharmacy he doesn't use all the time. If they deny it then who cares, if they get on the phone to call the Dr I'm sure the most they would say is you have to wait until they can verify.

There is still risk involved when you do something like this but I don't think it's completely unreasonable. I personally would never do it.

[alissanurse]

I used to work in a very large, high volume Pharmacy (in the states), my advice would be not try to forge a script for anything that you haven't been RX'd before. The chance is much higher of them contacting the Dr. (they may even refuse to fill until they get a hold of at least someone in the office) if you've had a steady supply of Percs coming in and all of a sudden you're getting RX'd for OC's. Especially these days, red flags go off much easier. Now, if you've been RX'd 100 percs in the past, you are probably safer doing that, than changing the type of meds.

Of course, the risk is on your hands, just try and heed some warnings here.

ya stick to the percs, ive had a Rx for them like 5xs never once did the pharamacist call it in, but then again if u get a RX for percs all the time and they see oxys they may just assume the percs arent working, id only script for 30days and 20mg q12hrs prn is what the script should say as oxys is longer lasting, or write BID ( twice a day )
messy hand writing -( oxycodone 20mg i tab po b.i.d x 30 d 2 repeats,, or dont put any repeats

[DownByLaw]

Nice man, I read every post from the beginning, and it was like a sitcom. Lot's of drama the climax and then the conclusion. Almost as good as reality television!

[bronyraur]

<snip> id only script for 30days and 20mg q12hrs prn is what the script should say as oxys is longer lasting, or write BID <snip>( twice a day )

That's not a good idea. OxyContin is not an "as needed" medication. It is to be used regularly, which would mean either BID or TID dosing.

Be careful Eleusis, the first pharmacy may have given you the "we don't carry that" excuse because they knew the script was bogus...what pharmacy doesn't have Percocet, one the most commonly prescribed Rx's?

[betmylife]

why not get something that isnt as restricted, but still fun....get some benzos, or hydroz...Id stick to class 3 meds, as they probably eouldnt call that shit in....just my 2 cents,


BML

[roxi*stardust]

ya stick to the percs, ive had a Rx for them like 5xs never once did the pharamacist call it in, but then again if u get a RX for percs all the time and they see oxys they may just assume the percs arent working, id only script for 30days and 20mg q12hrs prn is what the script should say as oxys is longer lasting, or write BID ( twice a day )
messy hand writing -( oxycodone 20mg i tab po b.i.d x 30 d 2 repeats,, or dont put any repeats
No- OxyContin is NEVER given prn. It is taken routinely and no refills. No refills on CII's. DO NOT follow the ^^^above advice.

[limitless_euphoria]

Good news everybody!

Went great! My script got refused the first place I tried (We don't carry that), but my luck turned.
And damn, it's a good feeling to look at the bottle. (Take every four hours as needed etc. etc.)
Yup: That's just how I prescribed it!

So, do tell, what did "Doctor Elleusis" give you for an Rx???

[GoddessofRATs]

He hasn't posted in a while, maybe he got in trouble. I sure hope not. Did you try it again Elleusis, if so what did ya get?

I sure hope all is ok and your not stuck in jail. Post and let us know you're ok!!!!

GOR

[bronyraur]

His profile shows he logged on today, probably just lurking around.

[Inspektahdek]

yep, Oxy is always usually BID or TID depending on dose and doctor being smart enough to realize it really works for 8 hours max. Oh and one point goes to Europe! yayyyyyyyyyyy

[Inspektahdek]

Thought I could in some advice----------->

ahem:


First part of prescription is HEADING. This includes the name, address, and
phone number of the prescriber, along with his academic degree, and the date of
the order. The heading must also show the name of the patient. If the drug is a
controlled substance, it must include the name and address also, and this is
the only part that can be filled out by patient him/herself.
THE SUPERSCRIPTION is the traditional Latin command 'RX'. This is followed by
the INSCRIPTION, which is the name of the drug to be taken, and strength of the
dose. This is always written in English, and could be the brand name, or the
generic name. Sometimes, the chemical name may be used.
THE SUBSCRIPTION is the order for the amount of the drug. It may be written in
Arabic numerals, preceded by a "#" or in lower case Roman numerals. Either form
of numeral may be preceded by the English abbreviation "Disp." or by the Latin
abbreviation "D.D.T." (datur talis dosis meaning "give such a dose"). The
dosage form may be also be specified i.e., "tabs" for tablets, or "caps" for
capsules.
THE SIGNATURE or directions are the instructions. They are most commonly
preceded by the Latin abbreviation "Sig." (let it be labeled). The instructions
are usually written in Latin abbreviations to indicate time and quantity of
dose. The quantity is usually expressed in lower case Roman numerals. (Take 1
one tablet every four hours for pain would be written: "Sig: i tab q4h prn
pain").
REFILL INSTRUCTIONS indicate whether or not you can get a refill without seeing
the doctor first. (N.R. or NONE for no refills) Schedule II controlled drugs
are NEVER refilled (Oxy, percs, Dilaudid, ect..)
THE PRESCRIBERS SIGNATURE must be hand written signature of the prescriber, and
must indicate academic degree also. If the drug is a controlled substance of
ANY schedule, the DEA permit number must be written on the order.
Here is some common prescription abbreviations:
Abbreviation/Latin meaning/English translation

aa = ana = of each
a.c. = ante cibum= before meals
ad= ad= up to
ad lib = ad libitium = freely
b.i.d.= bis and die= 2 times a day
c= cum= with
h.s.= hora sumni= at bedtime
non rep= non repetatur= do not repeat
p.c.= post cibum= after meals
p.r.n.= pro re nata= as needed
s= sine= without
ss= semis= a half
t.i.d.= ter in die= three times a day

A lot of people think there's some kind of special ink or invisible
: symbol or some other high-tech thing that makes a doctor's prescription
: pad distinct. But, except in those few states where a triplicate form is
: required for certain drugs, or in Indiana, where all scripts must now be
: written on a supposedly forgery-proof pad, this is simply not the case.
:
: Usually, a prescription is just a piece of paper--not even as elaborate
: as a check or a supermarket coupon. There is no bar code, magnetic ink, or
: watermark. Though some doctors might use a carbonless pad to keep copies
: of the prescriptions they write, the vast, vast majority are written on
: normal white pieces of paper from preprinted pads. There is no latent
: "VOID" hiding in a background pattern. There isn't even a background
: pattern. There is no sequential numbering, nothing.
:
: So you can easily photocopy an existing prescription and make a decent
: fake one for yourself. Or, even better and safer, you can create a pad for
: an entirely fictitious doctor in your computer with any decent desktop
: publishing software (if you do this though, you should know that each
: state has a sort of model form which doesn't vary too much, so copy a
: pre-existing prescription from a real doctor--don't try to invent it from
: nothing).
:
: When you make your form, don't use colored paper. Stick with plain and
: simple white cut to standard "quarter page" size (4.25" x 5.5"). And when
: you cut it, use a paper cutter--not scissors--because bored-to-death, anal
: retentive pharmacists will easily spot your uneven edges. And if you're
: making the thing on your computer, use an austere, sans-serif font
: (Copperplate is best), no bigger than six point.
:
: And that's really all there is to it. Making the form should be no
: problem. What you write on it, however, is slightly more complicated. The
: main thing "protecting" widespread prescription forgery is ignorance about
: what actually constitutes a prescription--the subtle things that are
: written by the doctor, the DEA number, and, of course, the doctor's
: signature. Pharmacists do recognize doctor's signatures and if the
: signature is wrong, you're in trouble. To avoid this, don't try to pass a
: forged script from a local doctor; either drive fifty or so miles to a
: different part of your state, or--and this is another advantage of doing
: it in your computer--create a fake out-of-town doctor. Pharmacists,
: obviously, are only going to recognize the signatures of real, local
: doctors.
:
: But the signature is not usually what tips pharmacists off anyway. What
: tips them off is a holistic view of the script--its origin, who it's for,
: the time of day you show up to get it filled, and what's written on
: it--especially what's written on it. And this can get pretty disorienting.
: For one thing, there are vestiges of Latin and apothecary symbols which
: these days are completely mixed up with their modern equivalents, so that
: a prescription written entirely in Latin or entirely with apothecary
: symbols would be highly suspect. As would a prescription that lacked any
: archaic throwbacks.
:
: So let me try and talk you through the basics of prescriptionese.
:
: The first part of the script is called the "superscription." It is the
: pre-printed RX on any prescription pad--a shortening of the Latin command
: "mix thou." Just make sure it's there on your form and then don't worry
: about it.
:
: The next part of the script is the "inscription." In days of old, this is
: where the doctor told the pharmacist which ingredients to use. Today you
: just name your pill.
:
: Next comes the "subscription." This is where you put the amount of the
: drug to be handed over. Sometimes, you'll see the abbreviation "Disp."
: here, but usually it's just a number sign (#) or "No." and then the entire
: number of pills needed to fill the prescription. Although this number is
: sometimes written in Roman numerals, that's normally the sign of a guy in
: his eighties and you can safely use Arabic numerals. The most important
: thing to remember in this section is: don't be greedy. If you ask for
: enough pills to start your own pharmacy, you are gonna attract attention
: to yourself.
:
: The next part is called the "signature"; it's where dosage is given. And
: this is when you really start to need to know some of the cute little
: hundred-year holdovers. First of all, doctors almost always write "Sig:"
: (short for signature). They don't write it out or abbreviate it any
: further, nor do they write "dosage." They also don't write the word "take"
: since this is implied. After "Sig:" comes an especially tricky
: part--doctors normally use apothecary symbols for dosage numbers. One
: tablet is expressed as, the dot is supposed to backup the single leg
: denoting "one." Two is expressed by, with the dots in there to ensure
: accuracy (not to prevent alteration.) And so on with other numbers using
: this modified Roman numeral system. Since there's rarely any time a person
: needs to take more than four pills at once, that's usually the highest
: number.
:
: After the number of pills, you must specify the number of "times a day"
: your patient is going to take these pills. Here docs write "q.d." (in
: upper or lower case), an abbreviation for "every day" in Latin. Twice a
: day is "b.i.d." and three times is "t.i.d." Note that doctors do not use
: the modified Roman numerals for this. Anybody with a script that says
: tablet q.d. has a glaring problem on his hands--even though, if the doctor
: wanted to write it that way, he or she could. It just isn't done and would
: be strange enough to catch the pharmacist's attention.
:
: There are some other things that doctors like to stick into the dosage
: instructions, and here they have the option of using either English
: phrases or Latin abbreviations. For example, your doc can write "before
: meals" or else "a.c." (Latin). They can also write "as needed" or else
: "p.r.n." (Latin). In each case, it's up to the doctor. However,
: regardless of how these intructions are written, your doc is likely to add
: a little explanation after them in English like "for pain" or "for sleep"
: or something.
:
: Hence, "Vicodin #30, sig: t.i.d. for pain" means you get 30 hits of
: Vicodin and you take one three times a day.
:
: Of course, any prescription for a "scheduled drug" must bear a doctor's
: serial number. The DEA has been assigning these serial numbers to
: physicians since the Controlled Substances Act of 1970. Each doctor has
: their own unique number and it's printed or written on every prescription
: they write. Trying to make up a DEA number off the top of your head will
: get you caught one hundred percent of the time--unless you know the secret
: code. And here it is:
:
: The serial number always starts out with an A or B followed by another
: letter. The first letter is A for physicians who got their numbers before
: approximately 1980, thereafter they begin with B. (This may not be a hard
: and fast rule, but it seems generally true.) The next letter is simply the
: first letter of the doctor's last name! So old Dr. Smith's number will
: begin AS.
:
: Next comes a seven digit registration number. The final digit of this
: number is called the "check digit." The "check digit" is used to verify
: the rest of the number by processing it with the proper algorithm. Credit
: cards have check digits at the end and the algorithms are more or less
: secret. This greatly lessens the chances of someone just making up a
: credit card number and I couldn't even tell you where to begin with that
: kind of forgery.
:
: However, in the case of the DEA registration number, the algorithm is as
: follows: the "check digit" will equal the last digit of the sum of a) the
: addition of the 2nd, 4th, and 6th digits times two PLUS b) the sum of the
: addition of the 1st, 3rd, and 5th digits. That sounds confusing, but as
: far as algorithms go, it's kid's stuff.
:
: Let's look at an example: You've made a prescription pad for old Dr.
: Smith, so your letters are gonna be AS. Now make up a six digit number and
: write it down. It does not matter what it is. Let's say it's 375987. You
: create your "check digit" by adding the 2nd, 4th, and 6th digits
: (7+9+7)--the sum is 23. Multiply that by 2 and you get 46. Now add the
: 1st, 3rd, and 5th digits (3+5+8)--the sum is 16. Add 46 and 16 and you get
: 62. The last digit of 62 is 2, so that's your "check digit" and your full
: DEA registration is AS3759872. Get a piece of paper and do this for
: yourself. It will make sense. And it's all you need to know. You are now
: ready to write your own prescriptions.
:
: A few final words of advice: first, a good script passer should be
: familiar with the prescribing laws. Some drugs cannot be refilled more
: than a certain number of times according to their schedule. Some Schedule
: II drugs are even restricted by number of pills per prescription! To learn
: about this stuff, read the pharmaceutical industry's trade magazines. Drug
: Topics is particularly good.
:
: Second, remember that your prescription must fit into the normal patterns
: of the world of professional medicine--as stupid as that world may be. So
: prescriptions coming from a pediatrician are likely to be for medications
: (and dosages) associated with children. Prescriptions coming from an
: emergency ward will be for drugs of the type and quantity that last for a
: short time. Prescriptions for narcotics come from such likely places as
: oncologists and dentists. They are also very likely to be accompanied by
: another prescription for a logically related drug, say, something for
: nausea, or an antibiotic to stave off infection.
:
: Third, a single piece of paper can have many prescriptions on it, but I
: recommend just one because it is irritating for pharmacists to see several
: prescriptions on one piece of paper--it just makes their pill-counting job
: harder, and you don't want to do that.
:
: Finally, when you've got everything right and ready, go to a small town
: pharmacy on a Sunday afternoon. Dress like a reasonable person and try to
: get an old lady to help you. Be nice, give her your script, and if she
: asks any questions, tell a simple story. If she asks you to come back in
: fifteen minutes, don't. If anything else goes wrong--or seems to be going
: wrong--run.
:
: That's it. Now go get yourself some drugs.



Credit NOT FROM Inspektahdek but from google groups for United States scheduled meds <------------------------------ I just found a source for you guys, I don't have such ingenious, or do I? lol joking :D

[krinkov]

Unless, he is a truly honest guy and can admit when he's wrong, he's probably going to say it worked even if it didn't. I don't know him, so I can't vouch for him. But, I won't believe it worked until I see the pic of a bottle of Oxycontin (or whatever he decides to use) with a note saying something like "Opiophile Rules" or something to prove it's new and true. I'm not calling him a liar or anything as I hope he can get away with it.

So, where you at??

[mikells43]

wonder how long it will be till he gets caught eventually. its insaine to write ur own scripts today. i mean 30 years ago yea, but today . its safer to try to call ur own ones in i think . cII's are harsher pens than cII's.

its just insane to do this, i wouldnt reccomend anyone do this, in fact its safer to buy off of ur dealer lol. what happens if u get in a bad car wreck a couple years down the road and u have on ur record all these fake scripts and ur known, then wtf they will deff label u and here in this great country your care will be greatly affected cause u tried to doctor ur self and write ur own scripts. i wouldnt risk my future pain control, and other shit that u need narcs for , for a stupid one i wrote myself cause im dope-sick. thats just me. if i think and think, yea it can be tempting but chances are ill fuck it up or they will catch me, and thats just not worth all the agony esp if something happens to me later down the road and my sanity will be affected by my pain level and i can't get the meds i need to stay saine. just me.

[EleusisII]

I went for Percs... And even though I haven't been super-active here the last week or so, I'm doing good. Not using every day anymore, taking a little break for a couple of weeks.
Brony: I usually keep my computer on for days at a time, so there might be an opiophile windows open somewhere, but that doesn't mean I'm on :)

BSing about stuff like this, gots to rank like one of the stupidest things ever... But here ya go:

I prescribed 1 perc every four hours prn... Just the way I like it :)

[EleusisII]

Oh, and btw: It's supercool that this thread seems to be the go-to place for anybody who's planning to forge/change a script. There seems to be a question about that every couple of months.

If anyone else has some good info, feel free to add it. I'm not by any means an expert, but I'm going to add some canada-specific info later, since this is where I am, unless anybody objects :)

Great info from Inspectah Deck, allthough if I might add something: Don't go overboard with the abbreviations. I've collected a shitload of scripts over the last year for comparison (useless ones, antibiotics and so on), and it seems that "less is more". Most docs seem to keep their scripts simple: "1 q4 prn", without all the pc, ac and ad. An overly detailed script mihgt be a red flag if it's for a simple PK.

[bronyraur]

I'm glad you succeeded in your quest. Just be careful because eventually everyone gets caught.