methadone vs suboxone?

[opiobsessed]

I'm currently on 24mg suboxone daily and I do get a slight buzz, but am looking for "greener" pastures. I assume my only choice now since you can't easily switch opiates while on an opiate, would be for me to find some bupe somewhere without naloxone in it. Or slowly taper down off the suboxone and switch to methadone. I know all about the long relationship with done one I get started on it. But someone tell me is the buzz much better from methadone than suboxone? I hear that methadone is a dopers dream and want mainly to know if the buzz is alot better from done than sub. Also when you go to the methadone clinic do you take just one dose in the morning and its supposed to last till the next day? or do you take a dose in the morning and another at night? I wonder how this works at the meth clinic, cuz I dont imagine you would be opiated good for 24 hours on methadone.

[Coddfish]

First off, there are other threads on this site that will answer many of your questions. I'd give those a shot if I were you. You MIGHT get a SLIGHT 'buzz' early in your done treatment, but DO NOT switch based on the belief that you will get high on it; you will be sorely disappointed. A lot of people chase a high that never comes and they end up on hundreds of milligrams per day. I think you will find that most people on methadone would switch to sub if they could. I did the switch and have been in better shape than I have been for 10 years. My flawed take on this is that, since you are asking these questions, you may not be ready to quit doing opies. That's perfectly fine, seriously, but looking for answers in rehab drugs will inevitably lead you to places far worse than you are now. At least that's been my experience. As to the dose: yes, you will almost definitely start out with one dose per day. Eventually, with 'good' time, you will get additional doses so that you don't have to go to the clinic everyday. I was able to get them to split my dose at one point because I worked at night and the one morning dose didn't hold me (of course, neither did the gram of dope I was doing everyday). You will obviously do what you feel is best for you, but if the reasons you stated are the only reasons you want to make the switch, I would say "for God's sake, don't do it!" Some people here think methadone is a godsend, and it can be for some people who have no other choice. But, after years on the shit, my bet is that you will wish you had never heard of it. Still, I will be happy to hand up info from my done experience (which is WAY too extensive) if you have any more questions.
coddfish

[Zoop]

DON'T DO IT!!!!

Yes, you will get a better high off of the methadone initlally, for the first week or two, but eventually, you'll be on like 100mg a day, a dose which could KILL two people or three little kids, and you'll feel NOTHING, maybe just get sleepy from it.

Going to the clinic every day, or even every other day, even if you get "take homes" for the weekend, is A ROYAL PAIN IN THE ASS, and is DEFINITELY not worth any extra buzz you might OR MIGHT NOT get from methadone. Buprenorphine is a doper's dream, even if it doesn't get ya nodded out, b/c you get a good amount you can take home (my doc only gives me two weeks at a time, but eventually, I think I can get 30 day's worth), and once you are stabilized, there's no perpetually increasing the dosage like with methadone. Over time, a methadone dose will ALWAYS have to be increased.

As for methadone how long it will last, yes it's supposed to last a full 24 hours in most people. Buprenorphine actually has a longer half-life, and in Europe mostly, they have a lot of people who are on a dose of buprenorphine every other day. but man, don't do it don't do it don't do it!

You will be sorry.

I used to take methadone for fun, back in college, when I worked at a pharmacy. That was really nice, but to be tied to a clinic where you have to show up every morning at the crack of dawn, and hang around in line wiith a bunch of cruddy, smelly, dirty, filthy, nasty dope fiends, FUCK NO!

That being said - I will make a prediction. In the next few years - like 3 to 5 years, we will see more "treatment options" for opiate addiction that might be more attractive than buprenorphine. I mean, more different drugs, some of which might provide a better buzz, and that can be prescribed by a doctor in a doctor's office. I actually think that methadone will eventually end up as this type of drug. So, don't spoil it, just stay on bupe and be cool.

You might want to say to your doctor that the nasty orange flavor in the suboxone is giving you really really bad heartburn, and could you please switch to subutex? You can snort subutex, and it gives you a much better buzz than just taking suboxone under the tongue.

[Coddfish]

You can snort suboxone too. I am one of three people I know who has done it. It works. Period. Just do much smaller amounts than your typical dose. This shit is weird and sometimes less is more. When I was on 12mg per day I did 2 mg in the nose head. Plenty.

[madman]

I dont know where they ever came up with methadone being the dopers dream drug.Having been on methadone 2 seperate times at the clinic the only reason for me to do it was to not be sick.Like they all say the first few doses might make you feel a little nodd but thats about it and then your chained to the clinic.Coming off is harder than anything ive ever done.My wds lasted for weeks.I have never tried suboxone but from what ive heard it is the way to go.Maintaining with PT is the way for me.The only difference is i control it instead of the clinic.No more early morning trips to the clinic to visit the 20 year old "i went to school so i know more than you"counselor's who have no practical experience in addiction.

[Zoop]

You can snort suboxone too. I am one of three people I know who has done it. It works. Period. Just do much smaller amounts than your typical dose. This shit is weird and sometimes less is more. When I was on 12mg per day I did 2 mg in the nose head. Plenty.

does that make your boogers orange?

Wow, I thought for sure the naloxone would get absorbed. They (the makers) claim that it's "snort proof" AND "shoot proof." Hmm.

[GMorris]

I'm currently on 24mg suboxone daily and I do get a slight buzz, but am looking for "greener" pastures. I assume my only choice now since you can't easily switch opiates while on an opiate, would be for me to find some bupe somewhere without naloxone in it. Or slowly taper down off the suboxone and switch to methadone. I know all about the long relationship with done one I get started on it. But someone tell me is the buzz much better from methadone than suboxone? I hear that methadone is a dopers dream and want mainly to know if the buzz is alot better from done than sub. Also when you go to the methadone clinic do you take just one dose in the morning and its supposed to last till the next day? or do you take a dose in the morning and another at night? I wonder how this works at the meth clinic, cuz I dont imagine you would be opiated good for 24 hours on methadone.

I don't want to sound like an asshole, but I might and I don't really care if I do. For your information, both Bupe and Methadone are dispensed to drug addicts for the sole purpose of getting them off of the streets and off of the hard drugs that DO get you high. Methadone clinics do not exist as a "doper's dream" and they certainly aren't there for people like you to go and get "high". It's people with attitudes like yours that make it increasingly difficult for those who legitimitely want to get clean and have a semi-normal life. If you want drugs that will "get you high", go find some Heroin or Morphine, even some OxyContins for God's sake. I hated the methadone clinic just because of the small percentage of people like you who weren't there to clean up their act, but to abuse the system. Because of your kind, the majority have to put up with all kinds of bullshit just to get their life-saving medication. And all because you and your kind want to go there and seek a fucking high that you should be getting from an illegal source, and besides, for most people there is very little (if any) kind of a buzz from Methadone, which is one of the main reasons it is used in a rehab-like setting. Do I sound harsh? You bet I do, and you need a wake-up call on this one buddy. Leave the clinics for people who want to clean up and live their lives without drug-seeking, and stop plotting to abuse the clinic system.

There, I said it, I meant it, and I'm damned glad I did. When I was on the clinic, I recognized jackasses like you and many times my greatest desire was to just walk up to them and knock them in the face hard enough to break my hand. If I came across as an asshole, so be it, but reading a post like this just infuriates me to no end. Get off of the Sub and find yourself a good dealer if you still want to get high and stay the hell away from the methadone clinic as long as you have that fucked-up attitude.:mad:

[opiobsessed]

Oops, didn't mean to cause an upset, I honestly got on the program for the right reasons because I was tired of the mess and wanted off the stuff. It was going fine and all, but lately I find myself craving more and more and feel like going back to getting fully buzzed again.

[poppy]

Over time, a methadone dose will ALWAYS have to be increased.

Zoop, I haven't been on line for a fair few days hence the delay in your post and this reply. Your above comment scares the hell out of me...I've had a meth script which when I think about it has increased over the years. However I've never before stabilized on my script, and this time (admittedly just one week tomorrow since I used gear, so early days.......) I would like to think I may have cracked it, ie. no more heroin!!!just my script (got to be positive..)
I've always assumed that after stabilizing, (always at some far off point in the future,just one more hit I'll start tomorrow!!! we've probably all said it) Anyway I thought that I would gradually reduce the quantity of meth I took until I reached 5ml or so.....and then I don't know.......its never happened and I've never had a plan for the final step which obviously needs addressing if I am ever to succeed in my quest to get off heroin/methadone. I do know that I never thought that once stabilized on my script at whatever quantity, it would ever need to be increased unless I relapsed and used on top of my script (again!!!) which is what has always happened and why its increased in the past. Does anyone else have any experience of this?
Maybe the UK is going the same way as the US in the way that addicts are treated. Certainly things are changing and the whole concept of the junkie on a long term methadone script is becoming a thing of the past. Maybe thats a good thing and it will kick us junkies into touch, but I suspect it will probably cause more harm than good. Desperate people do desperate things....the government would do well to remember that.

[ketogin]

...When I was on the clinic, I recognized jackasses like you and many times my greatest desire was to just walk up to them and knock them in the face hard enough to break my hand. If I came across as an asshole, so be it, but reading a post like this just infuriates me to no end. Get off of the Sub and find yourself a good dealer if you still want to get high and stay the hell away from the methadone clinic....:mad:

That's a bit hard I think! I mean everyone perhaps havent the energy being chased by coppers year after year, and why should it be worse to "use" the system in this way than in falsifying recipes for example? If the system is after you with a gun, and you cannot take anymore, why should it be wrong to use the f-g bastards? If YOU want to be clean you can surely take your methadone and give a shit if others use the methadone or other drugs to get high. Or do you agree - with G.W Bush - that it's a crime to get high? Now if the clinics gave you the drugs you wanted, then I could agree that sellin and buying other drugs just for the xtra buck would be wrong. But those in the methadone clinics have no choice - they have to take what they are offered, and why should they be thankful??!!

Or is it really and truly a discussion in US of closing down the clinics because of this problem? If that is the case I can possibly understand your reaction, but otherwise? This is surely not a recovery site - it is an opiate-loving site; that is at least what I thought, and I thanked God for it!

[opiobsessed]

All I got to say is, I hope the trash thats in office right now get voted out so bad that we get a cool president in office next voting time. If that president is cool about drugs and realizes that drugs are a necessity and not a crime, well then I will vote for that president for sure. No matter even if its a woman, anything but nucklehead in office now would be better in my opinion. I just hope things change fast before the current dope in office destroys our lives for worse.

[shaunclo]

GMorris, what are you so mad at??? Your on an opiate site talking to people who are getting fuckered up on whatever they can find. Not all uf us are so lucky to have someone who is willing to share their morphine supply with us. What makes you so special?? Sitting here reading your post mad ME mad at YOU. You wanna punch someone in the face, well maybe you should punch yourself in the face. People are going to take advantage of everything in this world, including methadone and suboxone/subutex. Are you telling me that if you didnt have your morphine connect, and you couldnt find any other means of getting off or getting your pain in check you wouldnt be down there at the Doc's office or at the meth clinic trying to get a script?

I dont care who the hell you are, everyone, everwhere has taken advantage of some form of the system no matter how sweet their shit smells. I know this is an open forum, but everyone needs to try and be a little more civil. Speak your mind, but keep the verbal abuse to a minimum. The stock broker who is getting illegal insiders information is no worse a person than us trying to cop dope on the streets, and vice versa.

[candy]

Methadone is given in a once daily dosage. I myself have never gotten high from Methadone, but I imagine that those on higher doses might feel some sort of buzz. While a high on Methadone, if one were to experience that, may not last the full 24 hours between doses, it should hold someone until their next dose. That is, if they are on an adequate dose.
It is true that Methadone W/D seem to last longer than withdrawals from other opiates. Those on Methadone and looking to detox may want to look into a "blind detox." I myself have gone through this and detoxed without any symptoms and doing it again. If anyone has any interest in this they can PM me anytime or I will post at another time.

I would, before switching from Bep to Methadone get all the info I could and weigh out the pros and cons. It is hard to say whether or not you will have any effects from the Methadone, other than control of W/D. Most clinics start you out at a low dose. In my experience, around 40mgs and increase your dose. I have not heard too many getting a high from Methadone. Some may experience feeling tired, but I haven't heard of anyone really getting high or feelings of euphoria.
I really wouldn't recommend switching to Methadone if your looking to get high.

[JunkYardSaint]

I think Methadone is a God-send. To not be in pain, to not crave opiates or alcohol or something to take me out of my regular state of mind -that to me is a 'high' that's better than any because I'm fully functional and coherant. Since allowing myself to become 'OK' with Methadone, and accepting my addiction as something that needs to be medically controlled, I've had a chance at a life I NEVER had before. I've since gone to school, aquired technical certification, I do volunteer work, I learn more and I'm more creative than ever before. I think methadone is great, and though I struggle to get the dose I need, I'm still doing better than before.

I think that it's not really fair to 'warn' everyone about methadone, in many cases methadone does a hell of a lot of good.... though I don't really think any of the above posts were meant to do anything but good and perhaps in this case a warning is warranted, I can't say, I have also warned others against methadone because the clinics we have can be a pain in the ass - unfortunately the clinics aren't as knowledgeable as they should be, though there are a few doing great things, most continue with antiquated philosophies and preach abstinence, and the belief that low is best. I disagree. I think that if you are an opiate addict, that a methadone clinic can be a great source and that as far as opiates go, I'm actually becoming to like methadone as one of the better opiates available. It has a long half life - and of course once you have a habit you won't feel a 'high' but did any of us ever really feel 'high' when we were using junk daily? I didn't. If you never got addicted, then you don't need methadone - if you got addicted, and you feel where I'm coming from - then you'd likely agree with me. Methadone, for many of us - is a God send. I still occasionally use other opiates, but it's actually my goal to at least eventually get my abstinence based clinic to raise me to a dose I can stabilze on and be free of the other opiates. I have no fear of being on it for the rest of my life. As far as having to go to the clinic everyday - in less than a couple of years time I was able to arrange it so that I only go twice a month - I chased the dope man every few days so twice a month is a luxary to me!

I also think we ALL have a LOT more in common that any of us seem to care to admit. When we start to see how much alike we are and stop all the finger pointing and judging we might find that we are all fighting for the same damn things - that's not really meant to be directed to anyone on this thread, but it seems to be something worth keeping in mind - it does seem like people are alot quicker to see differences than they are in seeing those things we have in common.

[exitwound]

amen, JYS. keep on preachin' the good word of the opiophilic wisdom :D

[johnny27]

Really well said JYS, you put everything in perspective (sp?) Translation for the lay man, "Can't we all just get along" lol :-? peace man

[jab]

Darn fine post JYS! Kudos and respect to you!

Methadone has saved a lot of lives and helped an aweful lot of people. My uncle would be dead now if not for methadone. He was a lifelong H user and developed a severe case of endocarditis (sp?), which is vegitation on the heart valve, and had 5 open heart surgeries to fix it! They removed litteraly multiiple foot long sections of blood vesels in his leg to replace where needed. Had he not been put on methadone his life would be over. And, if he were not on it still, he would die surely from the simple strain of the W/D (do to the state of his health).

Now, there are a lot of 'seekers' who gravitate towards methadone for the initial high, and the easy cop. You won't be able to stop that, and yes it is an unnecesary burdon on the state, but it's not to be avoided. If we stop them, or put up too many restrictions, we may hurt someone else in need.

To the OP, Good luck with whatever treatment you choose!