best opiate to request if you have cool doc?

[opiobsessed]

Just thought I would get some good advice, opinions etc on this. Suppose I got a cool doctor who when I see him every 6 months for checkup or sooner, just gives me a script when I say can I have a refill for vicodin? last time I took a chance and just asked for a refill and he said, sure what can I get you? I said percocet but really was thinking about saying demerol or ms contin or something real cool. However I was afraid if I asked outright for that strong of an opiate he might ask me what its for and get into more detail. What do you all think? next time I see him I was thinking I would get a better bang for the quantity if I just made up a story, like well my last script I got was for 120 10/500 vicodin and I would like that because I'm in pain most of the month. All in true story though because I never told him I get that many from online pharms as it is with 2 refills per script. When I walked out that day I thought wow cool a percocet script with 2 refills. The excitement turned a little sour when I went to fill it, because the pharmacy near me didn't have them and I agreed to substitute them for oxycodone thinking wow oxy's that would be awesome. When I picked up the goodies though, when I got home I realized they had no refills on the bottle, I called them up and asked and they said they can't have any refills on them because oxy is II drug. I was like darn, I should have had my doc give me a big script for 120 vics instead. Should I do that next time I request a refill? or try to score with some big opiate like demerol?

[jab]

I would advise against demerol, it's not that great. If you are gonna shoot for the moon I would ask for MSContin, OxyContin, dilaudid, or something similar. But be ready for the doctor to reject that; since you are stepping up from a CV to a CII drug, which might raise some flags. But hey, if you're gonna go for it, go big.

Good luck!

[insaneike]

If I could just choose my script I'd be going with hydromorphone hands down. Followed by some huge mg of morphine IR :D

later

[Zoop]

Yeah, MS contin or dilaudid would be cool, but Oxycontin is probably out of the question, b/c the doc no doubt hip to the extreme amount of abuse of that.

I would ask him for 120 Norco 10/325's - 10mg hydrocodone and only 325 mg of tylenol. It's much easier on the liver than Vicodin or Lortabs.

But, if I was gonna get dilaudid, I'd make sure they were the 8mg ones.

Aren't you on buprenorphine? That stuff will completely block any 'cool' opiates.

So, you'd need at least 3 days to get it totally out of your system.

[exitwound]

Honestly I'd consider having oxycodone over Hydro to be worth having to see my doc each month for new scripts.

My doc issues my Hydro monthly anyway, with no refills (since it's in tandem with medium-dose MS Contin every 8hrs) so it's a moot point in my case.

Hydro is really the only CIII opiate worth having and even so, it pales in comparison to Oxy or other CII meds.

I would suggest Hydromorphone, Fentanyl, Oxycodone, or Morphine.

[gnat]

I only have to go once every 3 months for my hydro and oxy :)

[Bonnie100]

I hear that you can only get one months worth of hydrocodone at a time. At least thats what my doc said. Are there really any good online pharmacies out there for hydro? I dont know if I trust them. I have back pains a lot but my doctor is so worried about giving them out too much. Any way to convince her?

[duke_nemmerle]

Go for either dilaudid or fentanyl, try your luck :)

[hovadagod]

Bonnie,
I have a feeling you can find an online pharmacy for hydrocodone if you search hard enough.

[opiobsessed]

What's the best dose to request for dilaudid? what is fentanyl like? I am dying to just try that stuff because I've never been on fent yet. I've only met two cool dudes at the same time in my town who just happened to be opiate lovers too. They told me that fent patches are the rave around here but of course they wouldn't share any with me or hook me up with any supplier, but I only knew them because they were door to door salesmen who came by and my opiate radar was buzzin when I saw their pupils, so I asked em if they like to party and we got talking for a half hour. I gave em my number and they never called me :( I can't wait till I find some cool parties etc around here to hang out at. It gets boring sitting by myself all the time. Gee I miss the days goin downtown to the drug houses where everyone was havin a good time.

[Zoop]

Opiobsessed, you're just a kid aren't you? I mean, like 21 at the oldest? I think I can tell by the way you talk. Don't get offended (even if I'm wrong), I just want to tell you to be careful. People who are inexperienced with super strong opiates like dilaudid and fentanyl DIE on a regular basis because they OD'd.

It is especially urgent that you exercise the utmost care and restraint because you are on buprenorphine. The reason is that, as you know, bupe blocks opiates. It is a partial antagonist. If you were to take, say, dilaudid or fentanyl while some bupe was still in your system, it would take an awful lot of it before you'd start to feel it. If you keep upping the dose until you can feel it on top of the bupe, it might be too late by the time you reach a dosage that is enough to catch a buzz on top of the bupe, and you could die. I really really mean it, you coud fucking drop dead.

OR, say nothing bad happens, and you take some dilaudid or fentanyl on top of the buprenorphine, enough to catch a good buzz, and it's all good. Then, a while later, suppose you say, I'll make sure that I get all that bupe out of my system before I take some more of that dilaudid (or fentanyl). If you start at the dosage you had before, while on bupe, or even CLOSE to that amount you took before, while you had bupe in your system, it will very likely be enough to OD you, because that partial antagonist is not in your system anymore.

So, you see, you gotta be extra careful.

[JoyDivision]

If you can get 120 Vicodin with 2 refills surely that is better than one script of Oxy.

I think you're dreaming asking for anything stronger unless you have severe debilitating pain.
If he is cool. Why not ask for some diazepam or soma along with it. Say you get full on muscle spasms in your lower back or something. Then take the vicodin along with the diazepam or soma. Personally. I'd go for 10mg Valiums ;-). But surely you can get those off of an online pharmacy?

Really. I think you're asking for serious trouble by going for something stronger. Believe me. I am authorised by my state health department to be prescribed 90 x 20mg OC a month. And I end up running out like after 15-20 days. And boy the wd's aren't fun. If you could get Oxy and Hydro. That would be good. Take the Oxy and when you run out take the Hydro.

I'd love to try Hydro. We don't have it in Australia. We don't have Soma either.

[Kallie]

Opiobsessed, you're just a kid aren't you? I mean, like 21 at the oldest? I think I can tell by the way you talk. Don't get offended (even if I'm wrong), I just want to tell you to be careful. People who are inexperienced with super strong opiates like dilaudid and fentanyl DIE on a regular basis because they OD'd.

It is especially urgent that you exercise the utmost care and restraint because you are on buprenorphine. The reason is that, as you know, bupe blocks opiates. It is a partial antagonist. If you were to take, say, dilaudid or fentanyl while some bupe was still in your system, it would take an awful lot of it before you'd start to feel it. If you keep upping the dose until you can feel it on top of the bupe, it might be too late by the time you reach a dosage that is enough to catch a buzz on top of the bupe, and you could die. I really really mean it, you coud fucking drop dead.

OR, say nothing bad happens, and you take some dilaudid or fentanyl on top of the buprenorphine, enough to catch a good buzz, and it's all good. Then, a while later, suppose you say, I'll make sure that I get all that bupe out of my system before I take some more of that dilaudid (or fentanyl). If you start at the dosage you had before, while on bupe, or even CLOSE to that amount you took before, while you had bupe in your system, it will very likely be enough to OD you, because that partial antagonist is not in your system anymore.

So, you see, you gotta be extra careful.
I am prescribed 30 120mg Avinza, 120 Norco 10/325mg (for BT pain), 120 2mg Xanax, 30 10mg Ambien, and 60 tabs Flexeril (generic Cyclobenzprine) 10mg/ month. I have lots of everything except Avinza... b/c I take all the other stuff sporatically for last few years. But the above got me kind of worried... about mixing opiates and benzos. My docs know what I'm on. Even offered more. My husband is incredibly drug-naive, maybe I am, too, in a way. He calls me "Elvis" though when he hears me digging around in my stash, at night. I chew the Avinza in the mornings, then at night I take the Xanax 4 to 6 mg, plus Ambiens @ 20mg, and 1 or 2 Flexerils. Then, I read my children bedtime stories(4 and 6 and love to read), then watch some HGTV and laundry... etc, then go to bed. However, he did mention he thought I had sleep apnea... gasping? for breath at night sometimes. I never did before. I'm not overweight either, 5'7" @ 135lbs. I suspect repiratory depression, not sleep apnea?

On extra bad days, I have a few Norco but they tear up my stomach... and heartburn, too. Is that normal? All my blood work/liver tests came back normal last month. I use to get a special mix of Hydro, 180 caps of the 15/80mgs instead of the Avinza, but the doc said that was a rip-off... the "special compounding," but I loved it cause of the low APAP. Last time, I asked for Dilaudid, with a computer print-out, for the BT pain, but all he gave me again was the Norco. But he's really cool... the mail-in insurance pharm can't fill my script cause we changed carriers last Friday (3 month supply of both opies), so he wrote me a new one for a month and said just bring him the other one when the mail arrives. Which I will.

The above combo does put me "out" at night, and I do take Ephedra 25mg(leftovers before illegalized) in the mornings vs. coffee to wake up, maybe that's why my stomach is torn up?

I tried one CWE on the Norco, but I used a tshirt. Idiot that I am. I hate that crap. So, I have slowed down on the pill cocktail at night. I don't want to NOT wake up. Thanks for letting a newbie ask so much. I'm learning a lot here.

[Bonnie100]

Well I finally got an MRI done. So it says I have some disk bulging (1 disk I guess) and some arthritis in my back (I know I have some inflamation in my neck too). Im not old, really, my Ma got it young too. So my Doc did actually give my hydro with 1 refill (shocker) till I can see a Pain Specialist. I think he is pretty cool for the most part. What does anyone think I can get with that diagnosis? Its not that severe (thank God) but at least they know I'm not faking or something.
Karen, Do you know when they are illegalizing Ephedra? I get it too at the store but it baffled me cause I thought it was already illegal.

[Kallie]

I think I read somewhere 1/1/2005, the ban was suppose to become effective. The stores could sell what was already on their shelves, but maybe that's mixed up. Most big stores/chains, WalMart, etc. quit stocking it and pulled what was on the shelf. It was right after that pro baseball player died on it. Big stink. MetaboLife was a big source. Lots of people lost weight, etc, but some had heart problems. I bought a bunch, the month before, in Dec. because it keeps me awake.:rolleyes:

[SomniGod]

Duke is right! Dilaudid..fentanyl...Mmmmm...
Get 120mcg Fentanyl Gel patches for for 3 days of warm fuzzy glowy yummy itchy nods!!!!

~S~

[Paregoric Kid]

levorphanol, oxymorphone suppositories, fentanyl lollipops

[AWOL]

If he is cool. Why not ask for some diazepam or soma along with it.

I dunno, benzos just aren't that great, I really don't know how people get addicted to them. I have a cabinet full of 10mg diazepam, and 2mg Klonopin and they're just nothing great, I just keep getting em refiled cause ,,,, well let's not go there. I also have bottles of Soma, and Ambien and they're really weak too, especially the Ambien, super weak...... maybe it's just me though I dunno. I use to have some liquid klonopin that I got when I was living in Argentina and that was sorta cool stuff, but other than that just not that great and the hangover is a @#$@#.

Funny, I can get any benzo on the planet, or amphetamine and I don't even really like them .. but I can't get any of the good stuff =(

[opiobsessed]

That's interesting, the reply above me reminds me of last year when some cool people were living just across the street from me, one guy loved weed and was always trying to sell some to me. Sad thing is weed does nothing for me except make me paranoid and mentally dumb feeling and blah and hungover when it wears off. But then a buddy in town I used to know was just dying to find a weed source in town and here he was right under my nose. I told the weed guy, darn if only you had H etc, if you find anyone let me know, he never did because he just wanted to sell weed lol.

[exitwound]

What's the deal with levorphanol, anyway? I've heard a lot about it but not much detail.

[Paregoric Kid]

it lasts as long or longer than methadone and is stronger. very goooooood shit I hear.
they are making oxymorphone pills and they are making sublingual (like bupe) fentanyl pills and sufentanyl patches (much stronger than fentanyl). they won't be out for a bit but sound wonderful.

[exitwound]

Fascinating! Obviously, I'd love to get my hands on the stuff.

Sources are good :D

[Mokelly]

I'd say, if your doc is cool and all, after you get the valium and soma's get him to give you some heroin.......... jk sorry I'm an asshole

[Soda]

You can do that in the UK. All it takes is a request, and cancer.

[Frontier Psychiatrist]

anything you want? Fentanyl Ampules! :cool:

on a semi-realistic note, some people like shooting dillies (hydromorphone) alot more than lady H, (street junk i guess). But I don't think you'll get much farther than percocet.

[flipside]

[quote=karen630]mon I use to get a special mix of Hydro, 180 caps of the 15/80mgs instead of the Avinza, but the doc said that was a rip-off... the "special compounding," but I loved it cause of the low APAP.

Hey Karen, if your Doc is really cool and gets it that you can't do the APAP, ask him for the 5 or 10 mg pure hydrcodone or oxycodone pills--no APAP, that is what I get for breakthrough bc of my liver disease.

[exitwound]

I wish I could get my hands on some extra long-acting meds (or pretty much anything else for that matter). I have a bunch of things like Ritalin, Flexeril, Soma, Meprogesic (similar to Soma but more buzz/dopey), etc. that I'm not using, if only I had decent connections for trading those. Street value would dictate I could get a pretty solid stash of opiates in exchange for all that stuff, and even at OP pricing value it'd be better to get rid of them for something I could actually use....

[doctor opiate]

Levorphanol is an Opiate agonist analgesic (Opiate pain killer). Usually only available in 2mg pills for mod. to severe pain. Dilaudid 2, 4, or 8mg pills would do the trick. So will Fentayl 25, 50, 75, or 100mcg patches. As well as Actiq lolli pops 200, 400, 600, 800, or 1600mcg pops. THey work very fast, and are very potent, but do not work very long. Oxycontin, MS contin (or any morphine pills) stronger ones will be quite potent as well, if he gives you whatever you ask for. They did have Palladone (dilaudid controlled release, high potency pills) for a while, but were taken out of commission by FDA, as when mixed with sometimes even one strong alcholic drink, led to a total release of all the medication at once, causing ODs. Also, Karen 630 (not that you will neccesarily see this post), from the sounds of your post, (sleep apnea-like symptoms), making noises, when you sleep,etc. BE VERY CAREFUL. From the sounds of what you are taking (morphine (avinza), muscle relaxants, klonopin, ambien, benzodiazapenes), you sound like you are taking so many various CNS depressant medications at the same time, that you are having the effects from the mixed meds, which are making your muscles, etc. very relaxed, and breathing quite possibly slowed to the point that you are in a potentially life theatening situation. You may go to sleep and never wake up. If you were my patient, and you told me what you did, I would have you drastically reduce your meds ASAP, and not mix them so much. If this does not correct it, you should have a sleep study performed to be sure your oxygen saturation, HR, respiratory rate, do not decrease too much, as I suspect they are. Please be careful, and try not to take all those meds at the same time, or you have a good chance of never waking up.
Take care, and enjoy those opiates, etc. (but safely).
All the best.
Doctor Opiate.:)

[Paregoric Kid]

ketobemidone, not avaiable in most of the world but a few european countries use it. allegedly the withdrawl from it can potentially kill.

[Paregoric Kid]

ketobemidone, not available in most countries, but a few euro countries have it. very euphoric and addictive. not naloxone reversible. the withdrawl from it is, allegedly, potentially deadly.

[PantyShot9]

anything you want? Fentanyl Ampules! :cool:

on a semi-realistic note, some people like shooting dillies (hydromorphone) alot more than lady H, (street junk i guess). But I don't think you'll get much farther than percocet.

Dilaudid feels so much better in my opinion and everyone else I know that's done H including someone I know who's been on it for 12 years.

[handsome rob]

Definitely hydromorphone or oxy. An actiq or two would be nice.

[THEPAINTER1960]

I remember 7 years ago i had this really cool indian Doctor who started me on Percocet 10's withen four months i was prescribed 60 millagram oxy-contins after a few months i brought a magazine with an advertisement for the Fentanyl duragesic patches 100 mcg. And she wrote me them every month. After six months of banging Fentanyl. It was time to come clean. Thank God it has been 6 years i have been on M.M.T. and doing pretty good in life.

[Ickyuck]

Hey Painter1960, good for you on getting clean! Man, with that kind of doc, I could only imagine how hard it would be trying to lighten up on things. Anyway, reading replies like yours give me hope that I can control myself over the Opiate Love.

Also, back to the original topic, I wouldn't go all out and ask for shit like Dilaudid or anything similiar straight up, esp. fent patches. No way.. That's just crazy! Jeez, just start with a request for T4's or some weak Percs or something. Trust me, asking for hard stuff after being given the "green light" looks really bad. Feign naivete, without looking phoney. That's my advice.<img>

[L0VE]

Just thought I would get some good advice, opinions etc on this. Suppose I got a cool doctor who when I see him every 6 months for checkup or sooner, just gives me a script when I say can I have a refill for vicodin? last time I took a chance and just asked for a refill and he said, sure what can I get you? I said percocet but really was thinking about saying demerol or ms contin or something real cool. However I was afraid if I asked outright for that strong of an opiate he might ask me what its for and get into more detail. What do you all think? next time I see him I was thinking I would get a better bang for the quantity if I just made up a story, like well my last script I got was for 120 10/500 vicodin and I would like that because I'm in pain most of the month. All in true story though because I never told him I get that many from online pharms as it is with 2 refills per script. When I walked out that day I thought wow cool a percocet script with 2 refills. The excitement turned a little sour when I went to fill it, because the pharmacy near me didn't have them and I agreed to substitute them for oxycodone thinking wow oxy's that would be awesome. When I picked up the goodies though, when I got home I realized they had no refills on the bottle, I called them up and asked and they said they can't have any refills on them because oxy is II drug. I was like darn, I should have had my doc give me a big script for 120 vics instead. Should I do that next time I request a refill? or try to score with some big opiate like demerol?


WHAT? NO, keep the oxys. They're so much better than the other stuff and stronger. You can still get your script refilled, it just won't say it on the bottle. I get a script for xanax once a month and the bottles say no refills, so I just have to call them up (docter and pharmacy). Certain drugs are like that. Plus, most of the time with oxy's they have to keep you on them for a certain amount of time, they can't just prescribe one script and thats it. But percs are different, because they give them out for stupid shit like a pulled tooth and most of the time it's only one bottle.

[L0VE]

But wait, so your doctor just gives you scipts? I mean, you have a legit reason for them, right? Most doctors I've heard of won't let their patient tell them what they want. I knew someone on loracet 10's and they tried to get oc's instead and the doctor said no.

[opiobsessed]

My "cool cat" doesn't just give out scripts like nothing, I'm sorry I forgot to mention why I see him anually, the type of surgery he did on my urinary tract and the fact that I have a post op condition that must be kept close watch on so something doesn't come back again. Its a personal kind of embarassing type of surgery to discuss openly so I figured I'd just discuss the opiate part. Anyway, he usually gives me a script for hydro 5/500 #20 with 3 refills, and I think there were 4 fills when I just had the surgery and was in a bit of pain and back when my tolerance was cherished and now history. Now when I see him I ask for stronger stuff, darn trouble is last time I saw him I thought he would have to do a dreaded dialation in the office and I got scared and said, "oh no are you going to have to dialate me again?" if you do I have a change I have to tell you, I got well kind of hooked on opiates and have a tolerance now and am on a suboxone maint program and I can only have bupe for pain relief or something my bupe doctor told me. He said oh no don't worry I'm only doing an exam today, Fuck I thought to myself I just screwed myself again and now he wont ever give me no opiates again. He did his thing that day and thought nothing of and said nothing about my sub or junk habit, I also walked out no script in hand back then was when I began to think, do I really want to stay on the sub? I'm pretty much an opiate hog and just pussied out because of wd's when I went on the subs and ran out of smash to pay for my big habit of hydro. Well what do you know, I saw him 6 months ago, he's a nice guy, not the typical pompous doc, I figured maybe as busy as he is, maybe he forgot or doesn't mind that I'm a junky, he bolted in as usual in a hurry, checked me over, I was fine for another 6 months, was about to say bye when I said"oh by the way I forgot to ask for a refill" he said what do you need? I said percocet 10/500, he paused for a sec, then said ok just a sec, he came back in minutes later and handed me a script as described in my first post. I made the dumb mistake of trying walgreens because I didn't want to "duh me" make the mistake of going to same pharm I get my subs from and hand in that perc script. Ha ha, so walgreens we go folks, they told me I can't get it refilled cuz its a II drug very controlled, I hear bullshit so I go in person to my docs office and ask the nurse if I can have him call in the refill to the walgreens on 1st street. She said ok hold on, he's with a patient right now I'll be right back, she came back and said that he told her my records would have to be faxed to the office because they are moving to a new location which they are in now as I speak. I called in walgreens the next day, nope no sir sorry nothing called in yet. Fuck I"m starting to immobilize, I'm muttering to myself"oh please dear God just once more before I have to go back on sub". I toughed it out till that night, went into walgreens myself, nope sorry we dont have anything here yet. I broke down in sweat on the way home that night, back on sub I went. Strange huh? what the heck happened I wonder? well I never heard from walgreens but then I remember my urologist once briefly told me to go to such and such a doctor for my other health issue, told me they know each other well. Holy crap I thought to myself, that doc he referred me to is my SUB DOC. Holy crap are they going to chat one day if they haven't already and said, hmm well he just asked me for a script for percs a week ago buddy. Oh he's on sub he can't take that, oh I didn't know, yea he's a junky hog and I warned him not to mess up on my program. I'm assuming all this in my head and I'm afraid something is going to happen soon. I've been bouncing my head off the wall the past few days, worrying about alot lately. Money is tight, sub is not holding me much at all and I just want junk, I came into my sub doc after 7 hydro a while back did he notice? obviously someone was watching over me cuz he was in a hurry that day and didn't notice thank God. Stillll, lol opiophiles, I feel I"m being boxed in on all sides and just want to junk out of it. I've had a crazy weekend, too many strangers in the family house visiting that are NOT at all my kind, of my mom's bible belt kind and here I am kind of sitting there slightly nodding off on sub, then a relative pops in today last minute thingy and is staying overnight. I just feel uncomfortable around peeps as it is but when I'm craving it makes it worse. Hopefully the company staying overnight will keep my family very occupied while my goodies come tmorrow, but for sure I think my goose is a sitting duck cuz I'm sure my mom at least will see that truck pull up or me sign for my sunshine once again. Wish me luck guys and gals that my sunshine doesn't get swiped and worse yet that I dont get kicked out or who knows. Someone is going to be happy, either way ya'll will hear from me tmorrow. Lights out, hopefully on the nod by noon or 1ish.

[DaOxyMan]

you can all think im mad and retarrded but i say dilaudid sucks...ive only had it once..named brand...4mg was all i had tho, banged it of course...........(def did it right, 3 other friends did same thing, we had two 8mg pills i believe, so NO MISTAKES)...and the rush was lblahhhhh compared to the quality skag i be purchasin....the buzz was weak as hell..i woulda chosen some OC

[satlelitejive]

If your ever hurtin' in Canada go to the emerge complaining of the Pukes,the shits and massive pain in the upper right quadrent of your abdomin; protocal dictates that the doctor must secure your pain and autherizes him to admin. 2.5 ml morphine push (I.V) every 2 minutes. It looks like you have gall stones which are very painful , did this for about 2 weeks before they figured out I was full of shit! thank god for used bookstores and med journals

[exitwound]

hydromorphone (AKA dilaudid) for breakthrough pain, fentanyl patches for base long-acting medication and palladone (time-released hydromorphone, soon to return to the market in 2007 after being pulled due to the time release breaking with exposure to alcohol) as a mid-level long-acting medication. that would probably be the perfect regimen.

the only substituition i might consider from that regimen might be either the Actiq fentanyl lollipops for BT, OxyContin 80's for mid-level long acting, or just dilaudid-palladone if for some reason fentanyl was not a desirable option. palladone is supposed to last at least 12 hours, 24 full hours in less tolerant patients and few opioids work as efficiently within the receptors as hydromorphone does -- especially for the opiate-tolerant.

[opiobsessed]

Well, well, it was lights out alright, but hardly could catch any sleep most of the night, was awake all night couldn't get my mind off junk comin my way, could smell the unique unexplainable smell in my nose, ya know, the smell you get when you take alot of vicodin 10/500?. Obsessed, lay awake like an excited kid on Christmas eve who can't wait till morning to open their presents. Mornin came, time seemed to stand still, in junky time, time just seems to stop. 9:30 am comes, ahhh! finally the family leaves obsessed in peace and heads to the big city to sightsee and look around. Obsessed would have loved to go too, get some experience beginning to hone his junky radar and well maybe score, but junk was on its way by noonish so he lay there in mental excitement and nerve racking knots in stomach. He gets up when family leaves, just can't take laying in bed anymore, hops online looking once again at his order and when it might come for sure. Obsessed thinks briefly of turning on the cell, but nah they only leave a message if its gonna be held at the hub, this time the pharm messed up and sent it to the house instead of the hub, all junkies seem to struggle but in the end the score pays off with excitement as junk thirsty cells suck it up from the flow when fresh stuff comes along. 10 am, 11 am, time just keeps slowing down by the minute as if the clock is wearing out. Finally 12 noon arrives, ooohh the "crucial hour", thats the time up till as late as 1:30 pm when mister watson's limousine comes to obsessed's door to let him sign for his sunshine. Now he's pacing the floor, the subs are barely holding him anymore, wd's are already mildly setting in, sadness, depression, immobilization starts in. 12:30 hits, suddenly obsessed doesn't feel right about something, usually mister watson is here by 1 pm commonly, lets turn on the cell just for the heck of it. Oh no a message, did they screw up his order and hold it at the hub anyway? the house is empty and the only car is gone with the family and junk thirsty receptors are already screaming for something to drink from. The message says its a COD shipment and must be paid for only by money order, no cash. Suddenly the adrenaline kicks in, cash is counted, fuck he needs $120 and only has $110, damn why did I have to borrow money this morning, oh well obsessed is worrying too much again and tries to cool off and come up with a plan. 12:45 arrives, all 4 sides are closing in on him, not enough dough to get a certified money order, no way to get money out of the bank with the car gone. Suddenly obsessed starts to panic, past horrors of weeklong wd's race in his head like a nightmare from the past, nothing to do but wilt as mister watson's limo stops by and the door is answered. Acting calm, obsessed manages to swing it his way and arranges for mister watson to get sent back to the hub and wait it out while obsessed sits and reads, playing the waiting game now for family to come home so he can rush out in the car, get dough and make the trek in rush hour traffic to pick up mister watson. tensions are mounting to insane levels, 3:30 comes round, suddenly obsessed breaks down and can't take the pain anymore and is forced to suck on a sub and wait for some relief from the pain, so he can wait it out again to enjoy a full flow again. Sub is a magical, mysterious drug that obsessed just can't seem to see fit being on, he just has a feeling the receptors are hating the naloxone in the drug and trying to survive on just what little is holding him at this point. Sub seems to hit subtly with a violent agonist/antagonist feeling when they attach to the receptors, suddenly a rush of excitement arrives, the car pulls in the drive as family comes home. Obsessed suddenly mobilizes like a crazed driver in a hurry to get home from work and eat. With fear and tense nerves on edge, its 6 pm, obsessed rushes out to the bank, whew dough in hand, rush hour traffic is making the edge worse and worse as obsessed rushes on his way to find a money order. Suddenly feeling of security, the feeling you get when you know you are going to score rushes through obsessed's mind. The terminal is still open, he bursts inside waits in line, mister watson is finally hauled out to the counter. Obsessed quickly signs, pays and back into traffic he goes. Suddenly excitement and a feeling of sudden sanity and relief hits him. Mister watson is safe and sound with his sidekick companion vallie to keep the discomfort down while he tapers off sub and like a merry go round, round we lapse once again, the sun will shine and deprived receptors shall fully drink from the rushing full agonist flow once again. PT shall cook in a pot on the stove, obsessed is a junk hog for life. A night in agony, a day in horror and fear turns to sunshine once again as obsessed eagerly waits for tomorrow to fire up the receptors once again.

[chemboy7]

To be quite honest doctors are egotistical bastards whom, in thier opinion, are never wrong... asking for a medication by name implies that you know what is better for you than he does and will generally be frowned upon. With all the recent influx of prescription medication advertisements on television and in magazines and the fact that there is alot of information of the net (alot of which is erroneous) doctors are getting even more aggrivated by people self diagnosing themselves and requesting their own meds... or so my professors tell me. The other, more serious, problem with your inquiry is that you would be requesting schedualed drugs... which could raise red flags with your doctor, i.e. like you are trying to score recreationally. Having something like that in your medical record is bad news, if you think it is hard to get prescribed anything other than Tramadol, Darvocet, Vicodin, or Codiene watch how lucky you are after something like that. :(

I would say the best advise for moving up the Opoid ladder that you take whatever he gives you and call him a day or two after you have your watered down script filled and complain that they just aren't helping you at all and would like something stronger (don't ask for them by name, play naive) and go from there. Chances are that he will not make any drastic changes (i.e. he may bump your T3s to Lortab 10s) but I would take it from there and repeat as necessary within reason... don't expect to go from Vicodin to Oxycontin within the month. In fact, I would stretch out the time in between each call/request by a few days each time I did it. The wait for adequate pharmacueticals may be longer than you wish, but in the long run you will be stock pilled with weak Opaites for use in WDs or potentiation.

[Soda]

chemboy makes an exellent point and is totally right about everything but the egotistical part..doctors, on the whole, want to help others

[chemboy7]

Oh no dude, I totally didn't mean that they don't help people... they are an essential part of our society and we all need them at some point in our lives. My only point there was it is very rare for a doctor to admit that he is stumped by something... they have an answer for everything.

[opiobsessed]

Good point there, they do seem to act suspicious when you directly even politely ask for something, I made the stupid mistake, last time I saw my urologist after posting this topic, I asked him if he could give me a script for demerol. He looked surprised, then said "oh no I can't prescribe a drug like that in the office, that's only for people right out of surgery in alot of pain and its tightly controlled" covering for myself I said "oh sorry about that I dont know much about that stuff I just know it helped alot with pain before after a colonoscopy. He was like, thats ok no prob but I can give you vicodin if you need it. Keeping a smile back, I said oh ok thats fine. Back he came with oxycodone 10/325. I said thanks have a nice day as well after he said same. I walked outta there happy as a clam that day. But learned a lesson the easy way that time. Gonna be seeing him again this month, hopefully I'll get some more oxy, by the way what's the max amount of oxy's they can scribe on one script? as far as pill count. I know for refills you have to go into the office each time, but this doc wont just hand it out if I just stroll in there, I need to set up an appointment to see him each time just for another script and then I have to try to explain that to my family as to why I'm seeing him alot lately and then they would put two and two together soon and also will run up some more bills that medicare doesn't fully pay.

[exitwound]

To be quite honest doctors are egotistical bastards whom, in thier opinion, are never wrong... asking for a medication by name implies that you know what is better for you than he does and will generally be frowned upon. With all the recent influx of prescription medication advertisements on television and in magazines and the fact that there is alot of information of the net (alot of which is erroneous) doctors are getting even more aggrivated by people self diagnosing themselves and requesting their own meds... or so my professors tell me. The other, more serious, problem with your inquiry is that you would be requesting schedualed drugs... which could raise red flags with your doctor, i.e. like you are trying to score recreationally. Having something like that in your medical record is bad news, if you think it is hard to get prescribed anything other than Tramadol, Darvocet, Vicodin, or Codiene watch how lucky you are after something like that. :(

I would say the best advise for moving up the Opoid ladder that you take whatever he gives you and call him a day or two after you have your watered down script filled and complain that they just aren't helping you at all and would like something stronger (don't ask for them by name, play naive) and go from there. Chances are that he will not make any drastic changes (i.e. he may bump your T3s to Lortab 10s) but I would take it from there and repeat as necessary within reason... don't expect to go from Vicodin to Oxycontin within the month. In fact, I would stretch out the time in between each call/request by a few days each time I did it. The wait for adequate pharmacueticals may be longer than you wish, but in the long run you will be stock pilled with weak Opaites for use in WDs or potentiation.

Wise words.

[opiobsessed]

Cool, thanks for the tips everyone. So when I see the doc soon, I can say I'm in pain but hydro doesn't work very good, barely holds me for an hour and I still feel discomfort. Saying that might get him to scribe me something stronger up the ladder? boy would I love to get my hands on oxycontin, never yet have been lucky to find some, but sad thing is, when I asked my pharmacist about oxycontin they told me any time release medication would not work for me because my whole colon was taken out. Supposedly oxy is now tamper proof right? I"m reading on here that its kind of a hassle to bypass the time release on the new oxy(thanks to rush)lol, well hopefully as this mentally challenged junky gets alot more "junky info" placed onto his hard drive up there in da dome he'll be ready to walk out there and find some oxycontin yay!!!!

[exitwound]

Cool, thanks for the tips everyone. So when I see the doc soon, I can say I'm in pain but hydro doesn't work very good, barely holds me for an hour and I still feel discomfort. Saying that might get him to scribe me something stronger up the ladder? boy would I love to get my hands on oxycontin, never yet have been lucky to find some, but sad thing is, when I asked my pharmacist about oxycontin they told me any time release medication would not work for me because my whole colon was taken out. Supposedly oxy is now tamper proof right? I"m reading on here that its kind of a hassle to bypass the time release on the new oxy(thanks to rush)lol, well hopefully as this mentally challenged junky gets alot more "junky info" placed onto his hard drive up there in da dome he'll be ready to walk out there and find some oxycontin yay!!!!

Yeah, you would need to go on the Duragesic fentanyl patch. That would bypass your digestive system and last 24-48 hours per patch. Then you could take just about any breakthrough medication (although fentanyl would be preferred since most others would not be efficient alongside Fentanyl as a base med) which would be absorbed in what digestive tract you have left.

The patch is what you want, Oxycontin wouldn't work as your pharmacist said, I suspect.

[Soda]

boy would I love to get my hands on oxycontin, never yet have been lucky to find some, but sad thing is, when I asked my pharmacist about oxycontin they told me any time release medication would not work for me because my whole colon was taken out.
colon gone? I know you can remove a third of it, but they took the whole thing out? do you shit water?
also, if you don't mind, why did they remove it?