I kinda wanna try a new drug. Probly weed.

[Indy]

I doubt weed is going to happen though, i don't know ANYONE in real life who i know does drugs. I might try and find somebody in the near future, but there isn't exactly anywhere close to me where i could just go to to "cop" anything, no "dealers walking the streets" in a 300,000 person city (i live close to it: Green Bay if anyone knows of the Packers!). Plus i don't think i'd feel comfortable enough to risk it, ESPECIALLY not with weed. Can't exactly order it over the internet, and even if you could order it from overseas or a clandestine source i wouldn't even risk having weed shipped. Pills you could probably get away with just fine, but weed can be sniffed, and it's probably more looked-for than pods or some tramadols.**

I might order some tramadol next time i get a bit of extra cash, oh and soma too, always order that whenever i bother to order online. Good stuff. These aren't 'new' to me but i haven't had them in a while. I'm gonna go through w/d's pretty soon to drop my tolerance, so tramadol might work if i take a bunch (i know of the seizure risk, i have it covered, trust me).

Another one i'm really considering is some weak stimulants. I never liekd caffeine a whole lot but at times it's really nice. I know caffeine really cannot be compared to others, but i did like pseduoephedrine as well. Hm might just take that since i have some sitting around. Again i don't have access to ritalin, meth (wouldn't touch either of these anyways) since i have no connections for drugs IRL (or anywhere for that matter, except pods). So this kind of leads me to....

Vicks/Benzedrex inhalers. I have some vicks inhalers sitting around, i may try one tomorrow, but i'm told that it's better to just hold out for prophylhexedrine(sp?) since it's more euphoric. So depending on how curious/impatient i get, i might just pick some benzedrex up and (continue to) save the vicks for a rainy day. The thing that's interesting to me is that i've read (not TOO sure on this) benzedrex inhalers don't last too long: i don't want a stimulant that's gonna keep me up all day and night, just a few hours or so. I've kinda been meaning to try these for a while, but not without a good supply of opiates, which i have (for) now.

Another one i'm really interested in is GBL, but i don't know if i'd be able to get that, not sure how easy that is to obtain in the US (maybe someone could fill me in? i also made a topic about it that didnt really go too far). So i won't go too far into this one, but i'm pretty sure i'd enjoy it.

I think that about covers what i've been considering. Any tips on any of these drugs (not too interested in things like ways to smoke weed, or specific bowls/bongs anything like that, just the actual drug)? I'm on a bit of xanax and might have forgotten a few things, but i know i got the gist of it.

**: I am NOT trying to ask for sources, or trying to solicit or be solicited in ANY WAY. seriously, even if i would order from someone i didn't really know too well (there are people i trust on here, but not enough to risk getting ripped off), i would ONLY try things like pharms because they're small and aren't sniffable by dogs. Weed, i'm sure they look for stuff like that a lot harder than they do for tramadol orders or whatever. I dunno if it is possible to get weed through the postal system, but i don't have enough experience to risk it. What i'm getting at: I'm NOT asking for people to "hook me up" or send me drugs or anything like that. Seriously, i just want ADVICE, not the drugs themselves. Well i DO want the drugs, I just won't let them come from here. When i talked about my location and not having any connections, i was just complaining, and MAYBE, MAYBE wondering if there was someone who knew my area and could correct me and say "there are places like that in green bay, you just need to know where to look" (which i wouldn't anyways). Not trying to hook up with people in my area, NOT trying to get specific cop-spots in my area (as if there even are any). SERIOUSLY IM NOT TRYING TO GET CONNECTS OR SOLICIT OR ANYTHING ELSE THATS AGAINST THE RULES I THOUGHT I COVERED EVERYTHING BUT JUST IN CASE READ THIS ALL CAPS SENTENCE.

Whoo, this was LOOONG. Oh well, too bad lol, i'm high and chatty. You don't have to read it all, but it would be awesome if you did. ANY and all advice is welcome, even the stuff i said i wasn't interested in (others might be), you can go ahead and post it, i don't care. If you're gonna read one part, read the other bold sentence that's all in caps, that's the most important one (on this site anyways).

[Seedy]

I'd be surprised if you didn't know some pot smokers, they're probably just not too open about it like you with your opiate use. I was amazed at the different types of peeople that smoked once I started getting into the scene.
The shit's everywhere.

[GOLD N DIEMONDS]

Stay away from GBL, can NOT be obtain in states anymore. Have to go overseas and through customs and It just like GHB which is Schdule I ,i believe(someone corret if I'm wrong) but its covered by analog act. My buddy had a thriving GBL biz going years ago. Got shut down. Just very risk to obtain and to take as it has an extremely high -dose /response curve.

[Indy]

^^^Duly noted.

And yeah, i'm sure i know some pot smokers, but i'm only really in contact regularly with a few of my friends right now, everyone's away at college. I know one who's done it a lot but he never really has any of his own, just does it at parties and stuff. I'm pretty lonesome at this point in my life lol. I got my close friends though and that's fine with me. Usually better that way. I really need to meet a nice girl though. There's this alumni thing that the band does at the high school i went to, and there's this girl there that i remember having a crush on, actually lots of nice pretty girls that i remember from band. I think i might be able to meet someone at that, but it's just pep band and then a basketball game so i'm not gonna be there too long. Heh, too bad i'm too old for the freshmen and sophomores (well sophomores would be pushing it heh). Actuall that's probly for the best, i want a bit more mature girl this time. Strangely enough i don't want a girl that does drugs. Then again none of my friends really do, and i don't hang around with the drug crowd, in my town they're a bunch of poseurs. I never let anyone know about my use. </off on a tangent>

[trainwrecker]

Do the weed.

[bronyraur]

I'm kinda surprised that you haven't used pot.

Most people I know tried pot before opiates. Interesting. From what I gather you're recently out of high school?

I'm sure you could manage to find some pot somewhere. Just look for some tree huggers or something like that.

[irish]

Just remember that weed is not the benign drug that most people seem to think it is. I have known two people who have ended up with drug-induced schizophrenia and all they used was pot. Not to mention the effect it has on memory, motivation, and cognative process. Enjoy some weed but don't make it a lifestyle. I would rather see a friend on opiates than weed.

[cracksinthepavement]

I'd be surprised if you didn't know some pot smokers, they're probably just not too open about it like you with your opiate use.

Just remember that weed is not the benign drug that most people seem to think it is. I have known two people who have ended up with drug-induced schizophrenia and all they used was pot. Not to mention the effect it has on memory, motivation, and cognative process. Enjoy some weed but don't make it a lifestyle. I would rather see a friend on opiates than weed.

True and partially true. It's not the drug dude it's the person and the addiction. I call BS on the drug-induced schizophrenia. That is just ridiculous.. Of course some people are schizophrenic and also happen to smoke pot, but their is no connection. NONE.

Someone with a real addictive nature will get pretty hooked on weed though. Sounds lame but it's true. Even to the point of physical withdrawal.

HOWEVER, I too would rather see a friend on opiates than weed - assuming the person on opiates is not laying in bed all day with a needle in his/her arm.. (there is a time and a place for that of course, but not 24/7)

It's all about checks and balances with any drug, no matter how benign.

[irish]

I actually do know two people who have been diagnosed with drug-induced schizophrenia. The only drug that either of them ever did was weed. Thc is a halucinagen, it is just as risky for someone who is susceptible to mental illness to smoke weed as it is to take lsd.

[opi8fiend]

Irish I'm right there with ya....it truly is sad, one of my best friends had a half brother that NEVER touched a drug in his life until he was 16, had some underlying mental illnesses and a history of mental problems in the family. Sure enough, this kid smoked pot and the drug brought out that underlying scizophrenic behavior. Luckily with medication its under control but its just terrible to see his life get thrown away because of something that crazy. By the way, they know for a fact that the marijuana brought about the mental illness. So it just goes to show you that pot isn't right for EVERYONE, that's why different people have such a different array of effects from using marijuana, much like alcohol likewise.

[Tea Time]

I actually do know two people who have been diagnosed with drug-induced schizophrenia. The only drug that either of them ever did was weed. Thc is a halucinagen, it is just as risky for someone who is susceptible to mental illness to smoke weed as it is to take lsd.

Yeah but I bet both of them drank water at some point during the course of their lives too - so maybe that's it...Maybe water caused those cases of schizophrenia.

(That is about how much sense blaming schizophrenia or dementia or any other mental disease on marijuana makes...)

[opi8fiend]

Hey, i just went by what the doctor said. I grew up with the kid, never had anything wrong with him his whole life and one day just went nuts after smoking weed...Family had a history of schizophrenia....I'm not blaming weed at all, hell i'll never know what really went on, all i'm saying is that it could be possibly...

[allyouneedislove]

Hey, i just went by what the doctor said. I grew up with the kid, never had anything wrong with him his whole life and one day just went nuts after smoking weed...Family had a history of schizophrenia....I'm not blaming weed at all, hell i'll never know what really went on, all i'm saying is that it could be possibly...

weed doesn't permanently alter your nervous system and it doesn't stay in your body for the rest of your life, so "drug-induced schizophrenia" is a pile of horseshit. however, it is possible to drug induce the SYMPTOMS of schizophrenia temporarily. in fact there were recently some studies at yale regarding the similar effects on the body between ketamine and non-paranoid schizophrenia...if i can find a link to that i'll post it. they're working on finding new drugs to treat schizophrenia by finding an anti-ketamine of sorts.

wow sorry for the tangent...

[opi8fiend]

hey, its cool...thats what i meant when i said bringing up the underlying bouts of schizophrenia....it induced some signs and they just got worse and worse...i mean you guys are all right, anything could have brought it on, it was just kind of strange that nothing like that ever happened until he started smoking weed....again, i don't have anything wrong with weed, i am just curious if there is some honest truth to that...

[allyouneedislove]

hey, its cool...thats what i meant when i said bringing up the underlying bouts of schizophrenia....it induced some signs and they just got worse and worse...i mean you guys are all right, anything could have brought it on, it was just kind of strange that nothing like that ever happened until he started smoking weed....again, i don't have anything wrong with weed, i am just curious if there is some honest truth to that...

one possibility is that schizophrenia usually does not surface until late teens, around the same time when most kids start smoking pot/try pot. coincidence? very possible. and yes it makes sense that a mild HALLUCINOGEN like weed WOULD exacerbate the symptoms of someone already suffering the beginnings of schizophrenia, but only for as long as the high lasts. of course the person might somatize symptoms of schizophrenia following a scary first experience with weed.... who knows? i wanna know though. interesting stuff. :)

[robotears]

I say try either weed, MDMA, Ketamine, or MDMA and ketamine together(magic combo) if you haven't already. Or all 3 together. Plug them all at the same time:D

[allyouneedislove]

I say try either weed, MDMA, Ketamine, or MDMA and ketamine together(magic combo) if you haven't already. Or all 3 together. Plug them all at the same time:D


ha for someone whos only done opiates, that sounds like a psychedelic mess.
i vote for: try one new drug at a time. that's advice i wish someone had told me when i smoked week for my first time while i was already high on meth and had eaten about 10 nyquil gelcaps....was not a good experience. took 2 hits of the mj and next thing i know i'm hiding in the kitchen closet with a corn poker...

[tyrant]

Just remember that weed is not the benign drug that most people seem to think it is.



quoted for truth. i know this by experience. has anyone else noticed more and more people who, when offered a blunt or whatever, will refuse and give the reason that "the shit is just too much for me, i get 'the fear' and shut down for hours"? I can't even imagine trying to function on a human level after smoking that garbage. It feels like I'm on bad acid after 2 tokes...

[tyrant]

I call BS on the drug-induced schizophrenia. That is just ridiculous.. Of course some people are schizophrenic and also happen to smoke pot, but their is no connection. NONE.


On the real, my first instinct is to say the same thing. HOWEVER, i will say that i believe that crazy is as crazy does, meaning one may have some kind of underlying mental illness that could go completely undetected for one's entire life, and i believe that drugs like marijuana, lsd, psylocibin etc. could open up (or motherfucking kick in, swat-team style, if you will) certain doors of perception that many unlucky souls wish would have remained closed. Don't get me wrong, I support legalisation as much as the next guy, but I also think that using so-called "soft" drugs is pretty much playing the odds with your sanity and grasp on reality, unlike their "oooh scary Hard Drugs" counterparts, (i.e. cocaine, opiates, etc) which in my experience have none of the "loony-bin" type side effects, and are more or less completely safe to use physically, provided quality is assured.


PS, please..no one give me the old Tim Leary/Hippy-Dippy BS about "some people like/need to lose their grasp on reality, maaaannnnn". People who say that shit tend to have too much hair and time enough on their hands to sync up Dark Side of the Moon to the Wizard of Oz. They also tend to not have jobs or commitments which require them to not wonder if "reality is really real or what, man? did you hear that? woah. ".

[nick]

Hell,just get stoned Indy.........you'll like it.

[Seedy]

Try it with a bit of xanax first time, you can't go wrong!...

But yeah, peeps is right, mj is not the soft drug it's made out to be. It's such a shame that people will try it as their first drug thinking it'll be a walk in the park and end up freaking out and get put off all drugs for good. Then you've got a fucking hard time convincing them that they'd looove mdma.... Yeah, try some mdma, Indy. Save some xanax for the comedown. It don't work so good if you're on ssri's though.

[TokinDerrick]

dress like a skater kid or something like that. go to ihop or other crappy restaraunt with busboys and ask them where to get some herb at.

chances are, you'll find weed, cocaine, and pain pills by doing this. at least thats what I was messing with when I was a busboy.

[Pandora]

Yea, weed can freak some people out, and effects WIDELY vary from person to person and I've noticed over the years. I've never been a huge fan, but I'll smoke every once in a while. I usually start acting like an idiot or just fall asleep, it makes me tired.

Something that might be fun and you can actually obtain legally, probably online, at any porn stores/head shops, or kitchen supply stores are whippets. They're little nitrous oxide canisters (usually get 10 for $5.99 as long as it's not a head shop), and you have to get a cracker (about $50, but it's reusuable and you can use it to make whipped cream too haha) to empty them into (or a balloon, but that's a difficult process). Some people hate on inhalants and for the most part I hate them too EXCEPT whippets, they are really fun in my opinion. I wouldn't do it very often but it's fun every once in a while. My friends call it hippie crack, cuz you get a bellringer from it or something.

I dunno, just a suggestion. There's lots of decent bud in Milwaukee too, which isn't too far. Just hit up some bars, you'll meet someone pretty quick.

[SurfRat]

Weed is worth trying a couple hits but like everybody says it can go all over the place.

I personally know two people who seriously lose touch with reality for like a day or two and everybody knows not to let them smoke when at parties etc.

But there are others who smoke perpetually and have high (haha) levels of functioning, apparently no problems. And others who are kind of in between.

I like weed real occasionally (like four or five times a year,) I still think it is the best at a concert, really good with a funny movie like Airplane or Ace Ventura or Austin Powers, and seems to go great with sex too.

[Hammilton]

WOULD exacerbate the symptoms of someone already suffering the beginnings of schizophrenia, but only for as long as the high lasts.

That's no more true than it would be if you applied it to amphetamine induced psychosis- which is very common. The amphetamine kicks out, and you're still psychotic.

Same goes for psychedelic-induced schizophrenia. Maybe "schizophrenia" is the wrong word, but psychosis definitely occurs.

[Chipper Tripper]

man, I've never heard of weed "Horror Stories" and I was a big time stoner growing up. Never seen anyone have a bad trip or "Freak out" on herb. I've seen people freak out on Acid plenty of times.
I'm pretty sure these people had issues to begin with or were on something else along with the weed. Most first time pot smokers just laugh and laugh until they start eating twinkies and pizza then they fall asleep.
To each his own, I guess. If its your first time, don't take anything else with it and just take 1 or 2 moderate hits, don't go overboard. Alot of peeps, always over do it the first time on anything and pretty much ruin the experience for themselves. Most weed nowadays is hella strong, so 1 good hit is all you need.
And Weed and Hydro?? Fughettabout! Best combo ever, it makes you float on some whole different level kinda shit.

[TokinDerrick]

And Weed and Hydro?? Fughettabout! Best combo ever, it makes you float on some whole different level kinda shit.

hydro is weed, yo.

unless you're talking about the codone, if so, please specify in a thread about weed.