CWE (one more tutorial) Cold Water Extraction

[_L_S_V_]

i found this off of heroin helper but that site seems to be down so i'll give a rundown to help out any homies who may be suffering from the wd blues. now some say codeine doesn't help, but i disagree.

1. crush up 30 tablets of aspirin/codeine/caffeine, it's important that you don't use the tylenol ones as that forms a solid block and you won't get any water through. trust me i've had it happen to me the first time, lol was i pissed and frustrated. use some sort of small container and the end of a hammer or something to crush them up real nice into a fine powder. i usually throw in a extra couple just incase i lose some.

2. get urself a 30cc syringe, it's equivalent to a 30ml syringe. take some paper towel and fold it once, cut out a circle slightly larger than the diameter of the syringe. water up the towel, put it into the syringe real carefully, take the plunger and push it down to the end, make sure it covers up the whole diameter of the syringe. pull out the plunger real carefully so that the paper towel doesn't move up and it lays down flat at the end.

3. now find a way to funnel in your codeine into the syringe

4. get something circular and smooth to pack in the codeine and make a nice surface. i use the end of a permanent marker, one of those big ones thats smooth and circular, but you can use anything that fits the criteria. make sure its packed pretty good, but not super tight.

5. put in 12cc(or ml) of room temp. water into the syringe. insert plunger and apply pressure. the water should travel evenly through the powder in the syringe.

6. collect around 6-8ml of water/codeine solution.

7. drink back and enjoy. the shit is real bitter so have something sweet on hand.

as you can tell i'm pretty bored right now thats why i typed this out. you get around 240mg of codeine and some form of opiate is better than no opiates at all. i've noticed if you run do this for 6 days in a row, by the time your done, you will be completely off the harder shit and codeine practically has no wd's compared to the heavy shit. right now i'm on day 2 as my supplies dried up and i don't feel bad at all, shit i actually feel pretty good.

[Dr. Oxy]

the caffeine may make it through too, would be very tweaky.

[irish]

I do this every day when I don't have anything stronger. You have to make sure to use very little water (under 10cc's) or you get a lot of caffiene. I am caffiene sensitive and it works for me.

[DCBA]

Here goes another step by step tutorial on how to extract substances from APAP/Aspirin pills using CWE. In this case is codeine that is beeing extracted but could be any substance that is water soluble.

1- Dissolve tablets/capsule powder into water (Use bottled water with acidic pH ex: 5.5 or so. This is to make sure the water isn't too base and will convert some codeine into base and with this make codeine insoluble). Put them into a bottle or equivalent.

2- Close the bottle, and shake the hell out of it for a couple of minutes

3- Put the bottle into the freeze for 10 minutes, and then shake the hell out of it again.

4- Put a pre-wet (in cold water) coffefilter on top of a glassware and put the contents of the bottle thru it.

5- When all the liquid has been filtered then remove the powder gunk from the filter with a spoon

6- Put the water that you will use for the 2nd filtering into the coffee filter in order to get some goodies that were "traped" in the filter..

7- Repeat processes 1 to 5 with the gunk and the water from process 6.

8- Squezze the hell out of that filter.

9 - Repeat process 4 with a new filter with the second extraction liquid only.

10- Join the 2 extraction liquids.

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11- Discard the codeine if it is illegal in your country to use/abuse it this way.

[Duckfeet]

Haha: perfect, caught me right in the process of staring at these 10 Viks...saving this along w/other CWE's...eventually, I might add "Cold Water Extraction" to the title, so further down the line, people actually looking for *threads* showing how to CWE will find it, since our search engine won't take 3letter searches, and most people don't do it...hell, I'll go ahead and do it now, it'll really help...Thankyou, good and simple way to do it,,,

[upstate_007]

If there was an easy way to CWE and get rid of the caffeine I would be a happy man. I can't handle the amount of caffeine in the Canadian tylenol 1s to get an extraction of enough codeine to make me happy. I tried an extraction with 30 tylenol 1s (8mg codeine, 15mg caffeine, 250mg apap) and it felt like a shitty speedball with not enough opiate buzz.

[OxyContinuously]

yeah the caffeine kills it...the belief is that caffeine is a vasodilator and in conjunction w/ acetaminopehn, it works quickly to alleviate pain quicker than just APAP alone, cause it increases blood flow, hastening the amount of time it takes for the APAP to go thru ur system...

that's the belief anyway ;-)

[DCBA]

I think SWIM has discovered a way to get rid of caffeine in those liquid solutions, but hasn't tried cause he has no need for it..

So...
judgning on a procedure for extracting morphine from opium, i believe it can be done with activated charcoal(AC). The AC would not extract the codeine, but would extract the caffeine.

See this part below of some procedure for extracting morphine...
Extraction of morphine.


...

Activated charcoal is added, and the solution is heated and filtered hot through a fine cloth. The filtration is repeated several times, removing the charcoal and colored impurities with it.

source: hxxp://designer-drug.com/pte/12.162.180.114/dcd/chemistry/heroinmfg.html

And now see below this extracion of caffeine with AC.

Coffee beans are soaked in water. The water, which contains not only caffeine but also many other compounds which contribute to the flavor of coffee, is then passed through activated charcoal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Activated_carbon), which removes the caffeine.


So, if codeine shares the characteristic with morphine that it won't be absorved into activated charcoal, then to remove the caffeine from the caffeine/codeine solution all you have to do is filter the liquid solution once again with activated charcoal.


PS. Will start a new thread.

I think SWIM has discovered a way to get rid of caffeine in those liquid solutions, but hasn't tried cause he has no need for it..

So...
judgning on a procedure for extracting morphine from opium, i believe it can be done with activated charcoal(AC). The AC would not extract the codeine, but would extract the caffeine.

See this part below of some procedure for extracting morphine...

Extraction of morphine.


...

Activated charcoal is added, and the solution is heated and filtered hot through a fine cloth. The filtration is repeated several times, removing the charcoal and colored impurities with it.

source: hxxp://designer-drug.com/pte/12.162.180.114/dcd/chemistry/heroinmfg.html

And now see below this extracion of caffeine with AC.

Coffee beans are soaked in water. The water, which contains not only caffeine but also many other compounds which contribute to the flavor of coffee, is then passed through activated charcoal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Activated_carbon), which removes the caffeine.


So, if codeine shares the characteristic with morphine that it won't be absorved into activated charcoal, then to remove the caffeine from the caffeine/codeine solution all you have to do is filter the liquid solution once again with activated charcoal.


So if anyone of you want to try and feedback some of us would apreciate.

Haha: perfect, caught me right in the process of staring at these 10 Viks...saving this along w/other CWE's...eventually, I might add "Cold Water Extraction" to the title, so further down the line, people actually looking for *threads* showing how to CWE will find it, since our search engine won't take 3letter searches, and most people don't do it...hell, I'll go ahead and do it now, it'll really help...Thankyou, good and simple way to do it,,,

Thanks.
This method only adds a few steps to insure that little codeine is lost. Please post your comments on the results of this method once you try it.
Thanks.

[LorTabitha]

yeah the caffeine kills it...the belief is that caffeine is a vasodilator and in conjunction w/ acetaminopehn, it works quickly to alleviate pain quicker than just APAP alone.

Actually, if you have a headache, the caffeine does help, usually. It's just all the other "pains" that aren't taken away. I eliminate all other caffeine from my diet when taking the Canadian codeine. It seems to help. :p

[irish]

If you want to remove the caffeine from otc codeine you should use the aspirin with codeine and the syringe method of extraction. There isn't enough water used to dissolve much of the caffeine so you end up with very little in the finished product. I am caffeine sensitive and this works for me.

[h.john]

I want to also add that most aspirin now IS WATER SOLOUABLE so it wouldnt work with aspirin at all, this is super dangerous to do, and I would never do it no matter how much I would be suffering
I would strongly advise not to do this at all, the risk of getting tylenol poisioning and ibuprofen poisioning is very high, aspirin is just as deadly as well

[irish]

Neither aspirin or tylenol are soluble in COLD water. They are soluble in warmer water and really aspirin still isn't very soluble. These proceses work, I know several people who have done them in laboratory conditions where they could analyze the end-product. There is almost none of the aspirin or tylenol in the finished product. Aspirin tends to be slightly more efficient, but it's really not enough to matter.

[Duckfeet]

Yep: that's why people who fixed perks, before oxys came out, used to always prefer percodans (aspirin) to percocets and tylox (tylenol) ... Oxys of course, ended all that...when u can get them...but percodans u'd get a pretty good buzz, and aspirin *seemed* to separate better...certainly were a lot less mess...


Neither aspirin or tylenol are soluble in COLD water. They are soluble in warmer water and really aspirin still isn't very soluble. These proceses work, I know several people who have done them in laboratory conditions where they could analyze the end-product. There is almost none of the aspirin or tylenol in the finished product. Aspirin tends to be slightly more efficient, but it's really not enough to matter.

[HotCoffee]

Theres something thats been bugging my mind ever since i found out about CWE.
Does anyone know if the process can be used with pills containing diclofenac and codeine?

[Indy]

From what i've researched, diclofenac has a very low water solubility, so it's similar to apap in that regard. It should work quite nicely, though some will still be in the solution since it is slightly soluble, but probably nowhere near the original amount. I can tell you with 90% certainty that a diclofenac CWE would be MUCH safer than just taking the pills.

[HotCoffee]

thanks, will try. i have shitloads of codeine(50 mg per pill) bad thing is the diclofenac.
if CWE works ill be in paradise for a couple of days.

[SpecialGuy69]

thanks, will try. i have shitloads of codeine(50 mg per pill) bad thing is the diclofenac.
if CWE works ill be in paradise for a couple of days.CWE will work. Its nice to know WHY it works- then you can check if any other two compounds can be separated all by your lonesome without starting a thread, asking for help, reading the obituaries to see if anyone has died from it, etc!

It works to separate any two intermingled compounds IF they have a significant difference in solubility.

To find out if it will work, simply google "water solubility of codiene" (or hydrocodone or whatever) and note the number- it will usually be listed in mh/ml H20. Then do the same for the bad compound you want to remove: google "water solubility ________" (fill in the blank with the doo-doo compound- tylenol, caffiene, diclofenac, etc).

I'll use codiene and APAP (acetametaphin) for my example. You can substitute any two compounds you want to separate (i.e. oxycodone/asprin, hydrocodone/tylenol, etc). Because the codiene is MORE soluble than the APAP, then it will work BECAUSE the APAP will not dissolve (as much) in the cold water, it will "snow" to the bottom as a solid (precipitate, both as a noun and verb). Filtering out the precipitate removes much (but NOT ALL) of it from the water/codiene mix. Then you drink the water/codiene solution and feel nice.

If the water solubilities are NOT significantly different, there are other ways to separate them. You can do an acid-base workup, or solvent wash. People use acid-base to separate DXM from guefanesin in cough syrup.

I hope this makes sense. Oh, and enjoy your codiene while you still can. It wont last forever.

[HotCoffee]

Thanks for posting.
Im afraid googling diclofenac and its solubility in water yields no results, in fact, the most relevant link displayed is this very same thread.
there also seems to be a number of people wondering the same thing. stupid diclofenac.

If anyone is better at googling than me, link please!
thanks in advance.

[SpecialGuy69]

H2O Solubility 0.00082 mg/mL (Na salt); 2.43 mg/mL (K salt)It is BARELY water soluble so it will precipitate in cold water. You are in luck!Source: http://redpoll.pharmacy.ualberta.ca/drugbank/cgi-bin/getCard.cgi?CARD=APRD00527

[HotCoffee]

thanks a bundle.

how can i edit posts?

anyways, i just CWEd 300mgs of codeine and diclofenac.
I usually do it with acetaminophen and my final liquid is very clear, in this case it almost looked like milk, so im kinda worried about that(i drank it either way). the big glop of what was left behind was somewhat comforting. starting to feel my arms weird, its kicking in!
will post back later to report what happened.

well, to wrap things up Ill jsut say that the extraction worked like a cham, the codeine did not.
Tolerance too high im afraid. I felt the effects for half hour then i was back to normal with a hangover.
Made me want a smoke, which i thought weird since i havent smoked in a year. So i went out and had a smoke and felt awesome.
end of report.

[Duckfeet]

Yup: that's been the bummer of CWE's to me: in the old days I didnt give a shit, and now that I do, my tolerance is so high, that it doesn't matter: I think I CWE'd about 12 percs today, and might as well have been drinking koolaid...

Tolerance...what a bitch...

[oxycontin]

i need some help here, so after i mix the T3 powder with the water and shake it all up....put it in the freezer for 10min.......filter it a few times........the gunk thats left in the filter is garbage????? and the water that you have filtered is where all the good stuff is?


i take about 300mg's of oc a day so how much t3 would i have to cwe to get a buzz? whats the max you can do b4 you are going to do damage?


your help would be very nice, thanks alot


oxycontin

[oxycontin]

i need some help here, so after i mix the T3 powder with the water and shake it all up....put it in the freezer for 10min.......filter it a few times........the gunk thats left in the filter is garbage????? and the water that you have filtered is where all the good stuff is?


i take about 300mg's of oc a day so how much t3 would i have to cwe to get a buzz? whats the max you can do b4 you are going to do damage?


your help would be very nice, thanks alot


oxycontin



can anyone help?

[cg5]

this thread is so old man.... the ceiling effect of codiene is around 400mg so your not goin to feel shit all.. dont even try...save em for when your kicking(probably wont even do shit then)

[Thebane]

i need some help here, so after i mix the T3 powder with the water and shake it all up....put it in the freezer for 10min.......filter it a few times........the gunk thats left in the filter is garbage????? and the water that you have filtered is where all the good stuff is?

Yes, it's in the water, evaporate it.


i take about 300mg's of oc a day so how much t3 would i have to cwe to get a buzz? whats the max you can do b4 you are going to do damage?


Well considering most of the tylenol should be filtered out, you can take a lot. But, codeine has to be converted into morphine by your liver to do jack shit, so there is a ceiling dose of about 400mg, which equals 20-40 mg of morphine, not nearly enough to get you well. So there's no buzz in it for you... Save it for when you're sick, if you're lucky you'll be able to tell the difference when you take it.

[oxycontin]

thanks guys, didnt think they were going to do anything.

[l4l5]

actually, some aspirin now days IS WATER SOLUBLE, so be aware, not all of them are, but some are.

and that means, after your cold water extraction your intaking the exact amount of aspirin you put in there
= fucking dangerous

[poonwhalla]

There is some left over crap after a cwe, I'll give you that. Most times you are getting APAP out and sometimes aspirin but I have not heard of water soluble aspirin before. Isn't that why you cool the liquid to separate them hence CWE??

[WarmCyanide]

there are 1,110,000 google searches for "cold water extraction procedure"

i looked on the web and the amount of additional info i'm finding is awesome. i.e. how to seed crystalization of the APAP further..

i can't find a more comprehensive one thread here maybe i'll post more of the 'why/how it works'

[cactus31]

Well, fuck it, I'm bumping this thread.

Do any of you good people know how to make this happen?:

I want to perform a CWE on some hydrocodone tablets. I want to then evaporate the liquid and have a dry powder to work with, but I have no idea if I should do this with ONE dose (don't really wanna) , or with a lot of tablets....I'm afraid that with the unpredictable results of a typical CWE, I have no way of accurately measuring a 'dose'

I mean, even if it came out 'well' extracted, I have no way to measure purity, and my scale won't do milligrams anyhow...fuck me.

I have equipment, but my chem knowledge is limited to basics....rocketry, some other stuff, basic synths, etc.

I've been trying to figure this out for days now!

[WarmCyanide]

all the info is here, bro

http://forum.opiophile.org/showthread.php?t=45&


p.s. lord of the rings avatar sounds like he's saying "more stank ho's"