They could help you if they wanted.....

[HiJacked]

Im torn between posting this in the heroin section or the methadone section as it has to do with both drugs as well as morphine. So lets allow the forum guru's to place this where it should best be posted.

There is a real fucked up problem I'm seeing with the way the system here in the USA and I fear all over the world as well. Its the way they are doing every opiate addict that is sick and tired of being a junkie and buying illicit heroin on the street isnt what they want to be living for anymore. See it all started when during my counselling session at my MMT clinic when me and my counsellor were discussing how the system treats pregnant methadone patients after they give birth tho their methadone addicted babies.

MMT is a godsend for alot of us so I'm not bashing the clinic as of yet, but check this out. The half-life of methadone is excruciatingly long especially for adults who more than likely stay on MMT for the recommended 2 years. 1 year to get off heroin, and 1 to get off methadone. But after 2 years of an addictive drug like methadone had been taken daily the chances of not relapsing several times back to heroin are so slim its pathetic.

But see , the doctors that take MMT ladies newborns away from them in order to detox them have made it clear to myself as well as anyone with a fucking brain that all opiate addicts can be weened off with the one drug these doctors are using on the methadone babies.... Morphine!!!!!

Its half life is considerably shorter than methadone, (which isnt there to cure the addict, its there to maintain them and make some money doing so).
99% of all heroin users wanting to kick the grip heroin has on them could be cured in a 2 week period without a doubt. But methadone makes for a more costly treatment that most likely wont ever work as a detox drug. But you can bet your ass morphine detox would work all too well. This is my view on the subject of successful detoxing off of heroin.,so dont think I'm not right in the MMT scene along with many many of you here. I just think they dont want us to be opiate free. It's not feasable to cure the dopefiends...just herd'em into the clinic and that way they can be monitored and studied instead of fucking helped/cured.

[milky_tears]

You could use methadone for a quick heroin detox, dropping the dose every day over 2 weeks if you wanted to. I don't see how using morphine would make a difference? Morphine does indeed have a shorter half life than methadone, but that just means that you would have to dose yourself 2 or 3 times a day.

Sorry if I've missed the point here!

[GMorris]

I wholeheartedly agree that Morphine would be the best way to do it for ALL addicted persons who SERIOUSLY want to detox from Heroin or any other fast-acting opiate. However, the very fact that Morphine can be (and very often is) used recreationally automatically knocks it out as a candidate for this kind of "treatment". The only way it would work is if a person was in a controlled environment and closely monitored for the duration so that they could not interfere with the dosage regimen. In the US especially, they will NEVER allow Morphine to be used in a setting like the clinics we have now. Since it is so short-acting it would require either multiple doses daily or some kind of timed-release formulation (like Avinza) that would carry the addict for a whole day. Given that, some drug manufacturer would either have to produce dozens of timed-release dosage strengths for the gradual reduction or come up with some kind of liquid formula with a timed-release mechanism in order to do a once-daily dose. Can you imagine what kind of hassle it would be to have to go to the clinic 3 or 4 times a day to dose? They most certainly wouldn't let you take the shit home with you, the potential for abuse and diversion is way too high. The only alternative to that I can think of would be to manufacture some kind of implant that would release the Morphine gradually over a period of time, kind of like the Naloxone (I think that's it) implants that they use after a rapid detox, only it would reduce the dose gradually over time for a minimum of withdrawal discomfort. At least that's the way I see it.

Although I agree with the original post, it just ain't gonna happen here in the good ol' US of A!

[insaneike]

99% of all heroin users wanting to kick the grip heroin has on them could be cured in a 2 week period without a doubt

Uhh, no. It takes 2 weeks just to stop being piss sick and worn all out, puking and shiting, when coming off. I mean unless you're pretty experienced I don't see no one being cured in 2 weeks. but hell you may have some serious willpower compared to most of us...?

later

[Tar_Baby]

99% of all heroin users wanting to kick the grip heroin has on them could be cured in a 2 week period without a doubt

Uhh, no. It takes 2 weeks just to stop being piss sick and worn all out, puking and shiting, when coming off. I mean unless you're pretty experienced I don't see no one being cured in 2 weeks. but hell you may have some serious willpower compared to most of us...?

later


Agreed. Ive been on the heroin/methadone/clean a few years/relapse/heroin/methadone train for 14 years almost.
Getting over the initial withdrawals is one thing but what about when you been clean 5 years and still crave heroin constantly?
You must decide, after exhausting all resources for help..whether you got the willpower to stay clean, or wanna say fuck it and live the street dope hard life, or wanna stay on methadone maintenance.
Methadone maint is a godsend. Yes its hard as fuck to detox but better than a life of street dope IMO.

[HiJacked]

Dont get so fucking literal. The point I chose to complain about is this : ITS A FACT THAT EVERY FUCKING DOCTOR IN THE FIELD OF OPIATE ADDICTION WHO PAYED ATTENTION TO THE LABRAT STUDIES REGARDING THE MOST LIKELY WAY TO SUCCESSFULLY WEEN THE OPIATE ADDICTED SUBJECT OFF OF ANY/ALL OPIATE DRUGS THAT CAUSE EXTREMELY PAINFUL WITHDRAWALS IS BY FAR GOING TO BE *MOR*-TO-THE-FUCKING-*PHINE*...

IF A GROUP OF ADDICTS ARE GIVEN A CHOICE BETWEEN A FREE INTENSIVE IN-PATIENT MORPHINE SULFATE DETOX LASTING 2 TO 4 WEEKS, OR UNTIL ALL WITHDRAWALS HAVE SUBSIDED.........

OR.....

THE CHOICE TO PAY ROUGHLY 10$ to 15$(us dollars) EACH DAY FOR THE METHADONE CLINIC TO REPLACE THE ADDICTS OPIATE OF CHOICE WITH AN EQUALLY ADDICTIVE SYNTHETIC DRUG (dolphine) THEREFORE MAKING IT EASIER FOR THE ADDICT TO SCORE THEIR DOPE EACH DAY????



I'M JUST PISSED AT LIFE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF HOW THE POWERS THAT BE PLAY GOD WITH NOT ONLY MY LIFE BUT WITH THOUSANDS OF OTHERS WHO WANT SOME REAL HELP IN DETOXING THE RIGHT WAY. NOT THE METHADONE WAY. THATS NOT GOING TO HELP ANYTHING EXECPT DELAY THE INEVITABLE..... YOUR STILL HOOKED!

[candy]

Hi-jacked,
Indeed, it sounds like your really pissed off! And, I think there are many of us out there who have been on and off both Heroin and Methadone and feeling at times a bit upset. Not only by our own choice, but by the system as well.
In my experience and from what I have heard and read, Methadone clinics lack the qualified staff and the resources to help most of their clients. If you consider how much we spend on MMT daily, vs. the amount we would spend daily to get high, then MMT is by far cheaper. Doesn't mean it is always effective.
Most opiate addicted clients coming into MMT are usually way underdosed. By the time we choose this as an alternative, we most likely have a pretty good addiction going and the street value of what we are using is by no means comparable to the dosage we get in treatment. This is due to the inexperience of the staff and by the misconceptions of Methadone.
And detox off of Methadone can be done with some time and patience and by someone in the clinic who knows what their doing. No, it certainly cannot be done in 2-4 weeks, but if done by someone with a knowledge of Methadone detox, can be done in a matter of months, depending on what dose you start detoxing off at.
I imagine that there are those out there who may disagree. I myself, detoxed off of Methadone the first time with no symptoms at all and when I went in for my last dose was handed my take homes and told I was done. I really was in complete shock. It was a blind dose and in my opinion the best way to go.
Morphine to be used as a detox from heroin, I just don't know much about that in terms of adults.

As far as infants go to addicted mothers, Methadone and morphine are not always used to detox these infants. In fact, sometimes supportive care is only needed and research has shown that the babies actually gain weight faster and do better when they are not treated with opiates for withdrawl symptoms.
It may be difficult at times to know what is withdrawal syndrome in infants and what could be a immature nervous system or other problems due to poor nutrition, premature birth, or various other problems in a new born. Most pregnant addicts are less likely to get good prenatal care.
As far as doctor's taking away a newborn from it's mother after birth, I wasn't sure what you meant.
But, any woman who has no intention of stopping her drug use, should not be given back her baby until she is clean and can take care of the high demands of an infant. If someone is on Methadone, well more than likely they will continue on MMT and does not necessarily mean they will lose their baby. In fact most women take home their infants who are on MMT and test neg. for illicit drugs.

For anyone on MMT, take control of your treatment, get as much info as possible and get on a dose that you feel good at. Usually once at a good dose, cravings decrease and other symptoms improve.

[regis]

HiJacked using morphine doesn't make all that much sense. I mean, why not just use heroin? Or any other short-acting opiate? Morphine isn't a magic cure for heroin addiction anymore than when heroin was created as the "non-addictive" magical cure for morphine addiction. Both will get you high. A taper using morphine from any serious tolerance on morphine doesn't leave you feeling all ship fucking shape after two weeks, I'll tell you that much. No more than some scaghead with some willpower weaning himself with heroin over 2 weeks, and infact probably less so. i take one morphine dose a day- orally, and instant release, no extended contin shit going on- and i'm high for the day and only dose once every 24 hours. yeah it's cheaper than dope even with a really big habit and it isn't the hassle and i don't suck no dicks to get it or cop on the street. It is an improvement, no joke. But it isn't some magical cure.

but yeah, the greed is a shame. but what else do you expect in a capitalist society, where profit is the one truely moral action? corporate compassion?