Brand Name Oxycontin question

[gnat]

Are the brand name oc40's still easy to circumvent the CR cover? Just peel them off still? Or do they have a different build to make it impossible now?

I get the endo's when I fill but I can request name brand for just a little more money so, I need to know soon before I fill again. The endo's have far too much content/binders etc...

[insomnolent]

As far as I know there has been no change to the coating. I had my last Purdue OC 40 a few weeks ago, and I removed the coating just by sucking it off as usual, then crushing and snorting. I love the taste of the drip and the onset. :D

[Laudanum]

i had mallie and perdue for ER morph. both had the same coating. i used some needle nose pliers to hold 'em and q-tips soaked in isopropal alcohol to un-paint the outside. using alcohol keeps the pill from turning into a gummy bear (like water does). just make sure you let them dry and carefully rub off any lose coating that remains.

my bet is that they changed the inside material - not the outside. even if you remove the outside of an ER morph pill, it will not dissolve in water. the time release chemistry is on the inside which needs to be cooked off *very carefully.*

if you want my method, send me a pm. i got it off of a chemistry newsgroup that had a REAL strong interest in recreational pharmacy.

[GMorris]

Are the brand name oc40's still easy to circumvent the CR cover? Just peel them off still? Or do they have a different build to make it impossible now?

Not sure if you know this, but the coating is only there to make it easier to swallow and so you don't have to taste it. It has absolutely no effect on the CR mechanism, in fact if you remove the coating and just swallow it you will get the exact effect as if you didn't remove it. All of the CR mechanism is inside the pill.

[gnat]

No I wasn't aware of that. Although, anytime I remove the coating, I usually still break it up if I'm taking it orally.

I know it doesn't help with the endo's, just from experience. If I remove the very thin coat on them, and even if I cut them in half or 1/4's there isn't much difference in the CR properties compared to taking it whole.

I am more concerned about having too much powder when crushing, the endos suck in that respect. I just want to make sure if I remove and crush the brand names that it won't fuck the oxy up in any way. The powder is good to go no?

[shaunclo]

Gnat, yes you can shoot those, you just need lots of water. You need a 2-3 cc syringe. If you dont have a 2-3 cc syringe, and you only have the 1/2 cc syringes, you can just cut the pill in 1/2 and shoot that, then cook up the other 1/2 and shoot that next. Its a pain in the arse to shoot it twice, but it worked for me.

[poppy]

Gnat I know nothing of the drug you mention and whether you can bang it or not but from what the other guys say then it seems that it is. I just thought I'd suggest that if you have to do what Shaunclo says "you can just cut the pill in 1/2 and shoot that, then cook up the other 1/2 and shoot that next. Its a pain in the arse to shoot it twice, but it worked for me" providing you can get works with detachable needles rather than doing two separate injections, in the past I've found it easier to simply prepare both syringes in advance but only attach a needle to one of the barrels making sure the needle is on firmly enough that the barrel doesn't blow off with pressure, but loosly enough that you don't have to twist the barrel to detach the needle, (which may damage the vein) then inject the contents of the first syringe as u normally would, then carefully remove the barrel from the needle and then attach the next barrel, make sure the needle is still in the vein by drawing back, if it is then inject that, then remove the whole works and dispose of safely.
I must stress that I have no idea how this method would rate in terms of harm reduction, obviously Candy would know better than me, and if its dangerous I'm sure she'll let us know. Take Care, Laters Poppyx

[antigonemuse]

Just hold it in your hand for a few minutes, until it warms up, then the coating peels right off with finger nails. Or suck it if you do not mind the taste.

[gnat]

I don't shoot, I just can't handle snorting a 40mg endo... Way too much. if the brand name has much less powder and the cover comes off without messing up the powder then I'm good to go. That's basically my question. Insurance copay is about 40 cents a pill difference.

[GMorris]

Well, FWIW I've had only the brand name Oxys, and the only ones I've ever found are the 20's. I had no problem just scraping the coating off, crushing and snorting, and I have even just said "fuck it" and crushed them with the coating on and snorting. It makes the color a little off, but the effect was still the same. It didn't even make any difference to my nose, that is I didn't notice any goo or anything like that. While I am on the subject, I also noticed that while snorting brings the effects on a LITTLE faster, it didn't seem to make it much more (if any) potent. In other words, I finally just resorted to eating them as the bioavailability of Oxycodone is nearly equal when taken orally. Snorting oxy just isn't worthwhile to me unless I'm so sick I can't wait, and even then the time response is quite negligible!

[Mokelly]

Well, FWIW I've had only the brand name Oxys, and the only ones I've ever found are the 20's. I had no problem just scraping the coating off, crushing and snorting, and I have even just said "fuck it" and crushed them with the coating on and snorting. It makes the color a little off, but the effect was still the same. It didn't even make any difference to my nose, that is I didn't notice any goo or anything like that. While I am on the subject, I also noticed that while snorting brings the effects on a LITTLE faster, it didn't seem to make it much more (if any) potent. In other words, I finally just resorted to eating them as the bioavailability of Oxycodone is nearly equal when taken orally. Snorting oxy just isn't worthwhile to me unless I'm so sick I can't wait, and even then the time response is quite negligible!
Gmorris, you do know how to suck the coating off rather than trying to scrape it right? And yes you might as well just eat them. If you want a more efficient route of administration and you don't want to shoot it in any way, then you'll have to brown it. Oh and since this is the first time I've spoke to you since our little bickering match I'd like to comment on your writing skills! I've now noticed that you are indeed the most grammatically accurate member on the site!



PS: I have the brand name 20's now also, and I love em.

[GMorris]

Aww, I wouldn't say THAT, but I do pay attention to what I write. Like I said before, no hard feelings, I just wanted to drive a point home at the time and SkeletonTea's thread was getting quite tainted. You DO have a fair writing skill as well, just the occasional misspelled word or three and I can figure out what you are saying. I've seen a LOT worse, believe me.

On the subject though, I haven't dealt with enough Oxy's to really consider the different means of getting the coating off. When I had them, I just found that I could scrape the coating off fairly easily and not get them wet (like that would matter, but who cares really?). If I ever have to deal with them again I'll consider other options, but most likely I'll just chew them up and eat them as I had a good experience doing that before. Nowadays, I have a constant supply of Morphine, so I really don't think I'll encounter many (if ANY) Oxy's unless the 'script gets changed someday...

[gnat]

ugh... I had a script for avinza but I couldn't take them without getting raped everytime I went to the bathroom. I told the doc and he changed me to these. I know alot of people prefer name brand even though there are bioequivilant generics. I figured I'd try the name brands and see if I can tell a difference. I've only toot'd about 3 oc's since I got them. It's not something I do alot but I can only get down about 1/4 to a 1/2 of an endo oc... so there is another reason to try the name brands. I know they're about half the size.

Anyways, thanks for the information guys.

[insaneike]

Dunno but someoen alwyas jsut wets the tablet under water a SECOND then wipes away the coating with a towel. Then sometimes sucks to coating off th \e ttowel cause it could contain like 3mg of oxy i guess lol. but the OxyContin brnd this woman gets are shootable jsut fine after the coating if removed and filtered...

This is why i like someones Roxicet 15mg. There is no coating at all, and amkes very little powder. Just melt up, filter, and pop :D


later

[GMorris]

Well I snort up MS every single day, and the generics we get are much bigger than the brand name MSIR's. I've gotten quite adept at snorting without getting a lot of it down my throat and in my lungs. What I do is just little bitty sniffs a bunch of times so that I don't get a shitload at once. It takes practice, but after a while I am able to get quite a lot of powder up the old nose. Sometimes some of the powder even falls back down through the straw, that's how tiny of a sniff I take at once. Practice, practice, practice ... makes almost perfect after a while!

[gnat]

Ok so I filled with brand name and I think they're slightly better overall. They're half the size of the endos which is great but the best part is, they seem to work better for me. Who knows I may be imagining things but I don't think I am. All last week I was taking one a day of the endos when my back started hurting. I would feel it, but it would take about an hour or more before it started to help. Then it would only feel like I took two 10mg lortabs, only it lasted longer. Now I've taken one of these and I'm pretty fucked up, like near nodding! I also got brand name norco's just to see how they work, but I haven't taken one yet - because I haven't needed to.

[JoyDivision]

I do it 4 different ways. I either just crush. Put under warm to hot water (I prefer warm water) dry and then crush. Suck off the coating, dry and then crush. Or suck off the coating, put under warm water to wash off the saliva, dry and then crush. It depends if anyone is home or not. I don't make the fact that I crush them public knowledge ;-). Sometimes I just stick em in my mouth. Suck off the coating and then chew them up for ages until it's a liquid slurry and then swallow. Then have a coca cola or something with soda.

[exitwound]

Yeah, brand oxy is the way to go when possible. The Endo's are so-so (I like the endo mscontin but that's a very different formulation) and from what I've heard, the Ethex are just horrible....