for all u herion heads out there...

[Generic Pill Head]

try looking into ibogaine (chemical depedency disrupter [mainly for opiates])

[bi11i]

that's been tossed back and forth here for some time (we just switched to a new board and hence lost the old data.....)

have you tried it yourself? i'd be willing to be a candidate for that one. bup is good, but walking away totally cured....?

[Generic Pill Head]

ya i read a few reports where the people relapsed a couple of months after they took it, could just do it again tho

[Paregoric Kid]

I've known a few people who've tried it with the intent of ending their addiction, all said it was crap
apomorphine or buprenorphine seems the way to go

[bi11i]

i've read really promising things about ibogaine. the problem is that there's not a whole lot of data on the stuff and being treated with it by someone who knows what they're doing is a bit difficult in that you're not going to find too many people WHO KNOW what they're doing....

i'd say it has quite a bit to offer, if given the right setting...

are there any places doing the apomorphine treatments anymore?

[Paregoric Kid]

I'm not sure, perhaps in europe. I wonder if you could convince a doctor to prescribe it.
you could probably use blue lotus extract since it's "active ingredient" is apomorphine
I would like to find more info about the apomorphine cure, what Burroughs said about it sounds great

[bi11i]

burroughs ended up relapsing in the end, and was on methadone for the last quarter of his life. apomorphine might have done him some good, but the fact that it hasn't been used all that much to treat opiate addiction might indicate a fairly low rate of success....?

[Paregoric Kid]

or maybe it's not as profitable as methadone and buprenorphine
I don't know I've never tried it, but sometime I will, blue lotus extract is pennies compared to going on methadone maintenance or bup.

there is no permenant cure, if you want back on, you will get back on, and that's what burroughs did
"Now it just gives me something to look forward to."

but really who the hell would want off if it wasn't costing you much (money wise and health/job/life etc. wise)
I remember a year or two ago, I was selling some methadones to this girl and her boyfriend. they wanted methadone cause they were trying to get off and I said "why would you wanna do that" lol

[jacky]

kratom is far cheaper and much more potent than blue lotus. I bought 2 kilos of the material from mrkratom.com and if I only use 10 grams a day, could stretch a few months. mytraginine is more potent than morphine. grapefruit juice, bacopa, ashwaghanda, and rhodiola can all boost kratoms effects. I have had some severe puking/nodding experiences from underestimating the power of this herb. I have found blue lotus to NOT be cross tolerant with opiates, although it DOES create a similiar feeling, perhaps from dopamine effect? anyone else find blue lotus to relieve opiate withdrawl let us know!

[jacky]

I have found a source of ibogaine avialable as a chinese medicinal. this plant when used in conjunction with opiates potentiates the effects. the plant contains many other active chemicals, and is used as a pain killer by itself. PM me if you want to know the name of the plant and sources. the plant product is avialable from probably twenty different online sources and probably most chinese pharmacies in america and TCM practitioners.the plant is not scheduled, not controlled , though probably the DEA is aware of it.

[blackdog]

u guys amaze me "wow" c how amazed i am lol. whut i mean is i am deffinatly a fat assed lazy bastard so much so that fer me to maintain a inventory of all what hjas been aforementioned well then fugheddaboutit...haha if i can't whip out a dead president ta get and then do whut it is that most of us in one way or anuther do well then fugghedaboudit lol....cho no whut i mean?????????? no offense my hat off to all of u peace /da dogg

[jcdpoop]

i only read the first few posts but yeah, try ibogaine if you want to go insane. its one of the strongest hullicinogens on the planet. i did a whole project on it and other hallucinogens. if youre interested in reading about ibogaine then try reading "psychedelic encyclopedia." it is a great read, especially the acid and ibogaine part.

edit: *sp*

[SomniGod]

mytraginine is more potent than morphine.

huh? am I missing something here?

~S~

[jacky]

well I have read that mitragynine, one of the active alkaloids in kratom is milligram to milligram stronger than morphine in binding assays, now I am not sure how much, I am not saying that mitragynine is twice or ten times as potent, more in the percentage zone.
I dont think mitragynine is as effective in boosting cognitive abilitys as morphine, and I seem to achieve a quick ceiling with kratom in which going beyond only results in dyshporia, whereas with morphine, even if I do too much I am still up all night rolling around in ecstacy, talking madness in waking dream deleriums...............
Kratom is the most amazing novel opioid to be discovered I think.
there are others......salvinorin a is incredible its own way, the kappa opioid agonist.
But kratom is a pretty potent plant compared to many other psychoactive in which larger doses of plant materials are needed.
Some chinese formulas call for up to a half pound of herbs to be extracted per dose!
An average kratom dose for me is 10 grams.
any more seems to start to distract from my dexterity/ euphoria.
I might take up to 50 grams in a 24 hour period.

[Dr Benway]

Some friends of mine took part in a apomorphine trial while in rehab a few years back. The results were very disapointing. It is prescribed for parkinsons here in the uk, so I guess it affects dopamine levels. This is probably the reason for it being considered in addiction therapy. I wouldent take Burroughs ideas on non-opiate drugs to heart. He considered LSD and DMT to be highly dangerous substances and issued warnings to the psychedelic community about it.

I tried a dose of ibogaine about three months ago. It was interesting. If you take care and get some advice, it aint nothing to be feared. Just respect it like you would any drug. It dident break my habit, or any desire to use. But I can see how it can in the right context. Like any addictive therapy, you need a desire to quit. It is not a magical cure like some articles Iv read seem to be claiming. As for kratom; On occasion I indulge in some "Super Premium" and it knocked me on my arse one time. That was a 12 gm dose. I could see that has some use in Wd's or even as a potentiator.

ps; never do ibogaine alone. Always have a straight sitter you can trust.

[jacky]

ibogaine leaves metabolites present that help with opiate addiction.....ibogaine will potentiate opiates as well, I think there are other ways to dose with ibogaine to help withdrawl besides the large "breakin the head" doses..............

ketamine helped me kick heroin 8 years ago...............

[katomic]

ibo is ileagle in the US secudle 1 i cant see it being in chinese meds. Ibogaine HCL brought in the UK and tar in the netherlands there are allso expencive detox clinicks in mexco and st kitts probualy 1 of the best ways of importing it to the US would be plain root bark with no lable on it you can buy it derict from africa coustoms proubaly wouldent know what it was.

before anyone thinks of treating themselves with this amazing bit of nature go hear

http://www.ibogaine.org/manual.html
i have done quite a bit of resurch in to this so if anyone has any questions.....

[katomic]

k is a NMDA antganist a f-in good 1 too, DXM might work the same has anyone tried it for this? it wont work for H but for kicking bup it should help.

[blackdog]

hey that ibo african root bark aint no lie years ago i met these africans andthey gave me a bottle that was originally filled with gin and the rootbark i got it less the gin and all i had too do was refill it with booze and let it git right ,i thinks i eventually got fed up waiting and thru it away.
why hwy whywhy why oh why peace da dogg

[Brian]

...I tried a dose of ibogaine about three months ago.
... If you take care and get some advice, it aint nothing to be feared.
... It dident break my habit, or any desire to use. But I can see how it can in the right context. Like any addictive therapy, you need a desire to quit.
...It is not a magical cure like some articles Iv read seem to be claiming.
(QUOTE)


There are many variables in the ibogaine treatment and therefore the fact that it didn`t break someone`s habit or desire to use shouldn`t be understood that it doesn`t work.
Variables: How many milligrams one ingested,what kind of IBO,what kind of opiate one is addicted to,how much,how long one has taken the last fix before the treatment etc...
Ibogaine is not a magical cure but also is not a placebo.It`s a potent drug and changed the life of many (motivated) addicts.
In most of the cases just one treatment is not enough to deal properly with the cravings, especially when opiates are involved.
If you`d have repeated the ibogaine treatment let`s say a couple of weeks afterwards most likely you could have found the its "cleansing effects" got deaper than the first time. Also,one has to give its time to some processes, in order to give them the chance to reach the desired level (if desired at all, of course).
The "right context" makes a lot...

As far as the safety is concerned than I can only agree that Ibogaine is not something one fucks with, even though is generally (by otherwise fit individuals) well coped with.
Warm suggestion: never do ibo alone.Do it with a sitter that is not afraid to call an ambulance,if it shows necessary!

Brian