How bad is this Teva gel for my lungs?

[krinkov]

It seems more and more that Teva's are the only OC's I can get anymore. My preferred MOA is nasal and we all know how much fun the gel is. :( My question is, how bad is this gel for my lungs? Does it collect in there over time, or does it dissipate? Does it even make it into my lungs? How bad, overall, is this stuff on me? Any info is appreciated.

Thanks!

[Frank Zito]

It seems more and more that Teva's are the only OC's I can get anymore. My preferred MOA is nasal and we all know how much fun the gel is. :( My question is, how bad is this gel for my lungs? Does it collect in there over time, or does it dissipate? Does it even make it into my lungs? How bad, overall, is this stuff on me? Any info is appreciated.

Thanks!

Totally off topic but, How did you find my mug shot to use for your avatar?:D

[krinkov]

Totally off topic but, How did you find my mug shot to use for your avatar?:D

I saw this on another board as a "mugshot of the day" and found it very fitting. Wouldn't that be funny if it really was some one from here? LOL!!

[Ludakris]

Pretty much smoking any pill is going to be really harsh on the lungs, the gel is essentially just another filler, just so happens to change form when wet (which probably won't happen while smoking). I've never had much luck trying to *vaporize* pills but some here claim they have. As with anything, if you want to smoke it, I'd keep it in moderation.

Also, if you haven't already, you might give the old search engine a try and look for the "Ike Method" of extracting these gelling little boogers. Seems to work pretty well, and if you let the solution evaporate you should have some "snortable" powder, that is, if you can wait that long :p

**edit** also, totally dig the signature, had to read it a couple times, my brain was trying to make it say "he shoots, he scores" haha

[RxQueen]

if you're snorting them, i don't think that the gel will make it to your lungs. unless you're really hoovering them and sucking 'em up there with turbine power. most of what drips back will get swallowed and end up in your stomach.

what i'm waiting for, is the day they do a bunch of research and find that all the time-release matrices used in pills cause cancer or some weird disease. then they'll hafta stop using them altogether.

hey, a girl can dream, can't she? :o

[Nate]

Yeah if you are snorting, it does nothing to your lungs.

[wafflehead77]

Yeah if you are snorting, it does nothing to your lungs.

Actually, you can do alot of pulmonary damage by snorting, especially from talc. Ike started a thread a few months ago about intranasal use of pills containing talc, and its risk of cancer.

Personally, my lungs have suffered alot from OC's and Roxi's. I have a pretty consistant cough, and frequent upper-respiratory infections. All of this started after I began snorting daily.

[9177]

Yeah, that god-forsaken Talc and cellulose will play hell on your veins too!!!!!

[kyuss]

I've railed plenty
of other brands
but snorting Tevas
is a pain in the ass-
which is another alternative.
Good thread
on Teva techniques..
http://forum.opiophile.org/showthread.php?t=5249

[pain-pateint]

Forumites --

I am a pain patient with chronic pancreatitis and my pain MUCH, MUCH worse in the morning upon awakening than any other time during the day. However, my PM believes I need a steady, around the clock blood level of Oxycontin to handle the pain. I beg to differ, having had great success in getting out of this severe morning pain by a quick infusion of opiates, and found the Actiq lollipops a prior pain doc gave me quite effective. With my current doc, though, the only way to combat the morning pain enough so that I can be active is to chew the Oxycontin to effect immediate release. However, that was when I got the Watson generics.

Now, all I can get is Teva generics, and they don't release the same. Any tips? Should I switch doctors?

[hydrocodonious]

im gonna agree with waffelhead here....snorting pills has to do damage your lungs theres no two ways about it. You use your lungs to get the changes in pressure to snort the pill in the fist place so you have to get a little bit in there.

The drip(all the insoluble material that dont diffuse through the mucousa) hits the back and front of your throat and drips down towards your esophagus and trachea. When you breath your epiglottis(the little flap that closes when you eat so food doesnt get into your lungs) is wide open when you snort something because you have to use your lungs. The open flap allows passage to your larynx/trachea/lungs. Also, since air has the right of way all the time, the little flap is wide open when your just chillin and breathing after you railed something; so although the drip mostly goes down the esophagus towards your stomach, some material will go down to your lungs unless you manually swallow (swallowing closes that flap). Thats how the rail and the drip gets into your lungs and causes damage.

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/images/ency/fullsize/19595.jpg

I trip about this shit all the time when snorting stuff like pills with insoluble materials....
I remember finely grinding an OC with a pipe clamp and snorting it too hard. That shit went right back to my throat and made me cough. I was tripping balls thinking most of it was in my lungs...YET i fucking smoke that gross tar shit right in there no problem.........

[roxi*stardust]

im gonna agree with waffelhead here....snorting pills has to do damage your lungs theres no two ways about it. You use your lungs to get the changes in pressure to snort the pill in the fist place so you have to get a little bit in there.

The drip(all the insoluble material that dont diffuse through the mucousa) hits the back and front of your throat and drips down towards your esophagus and trachea. When you breath your epiglottis(the little flap that closes when you eat so food doesnt get into your lungs) is wide open when you snort something because you have to use your lungs. The open flap allows passage to your larynx/trachea/lungs. Also, since air has the right of way all the time, the little flap is wide open when your just chillin and breathing after you railed something; so although the drip mostly goes down the esophagus towards your stomach, some material will go down to your lungs unless you manually swallow (swallowing closes that flap). Thats how the rail and the drip gets into your lungs and causes damage.



I trip about this shit all the time when snorting stuff like pills with insoluble materials....
I remember finely grinding an OC with a pipe clamp and snorting it too hard. That shit went right back to my throat and made me cough. I was tripping balls thinking most of it was in my lungs...YET i fucking smoke that gross tar shit right in there no problem.........

While I do see your point here about this, I have to disagree. The nasal passages are mucus membranes, the majority of the active (oxycodone) in these tablets is absorbed by the mucus membranes and it quickly enters the bloodstream and the inactive ingredients (talc, gelatin, cellulose, etc) that cannot be absorbed are trapped by the nasal passages or simply drain into the stomach. (Sublingal and Buccal dosing is also based on this concept). The nasal passages and sinus cavities contain mucus and small thin hairs that trap small particles and keep them from entering the lung, the end result is boogers. I am not trying to be funny either. Another defense mechanism that your body has is the Pharynx. I'll save myself some time here and quote this about the upper respiratory system:


Nasal passages
The flow of air begins in the nose, which is divided into the left and right nasal passages and ends in the lungs. The nasal passages are lined with epithelial cells, a mucous membrane composed mostly of a layer of flat, closely packed cells. Each epithelial cell is fringed with thousands of tiny fingerlike extensions of the cells called cilia. Goblet cells are specialized cells that produce mucus, and are among the epithelial cells. Mucus is a thick, moist fluid that coats epithelial cells and cilia. Beneath the mucous membrane, near the surface of the nasal passages, are many tiny blood vessels called capillaries. The nasal passages play two critical roles in transporting air to the pharynx. First, the nasal passages filter air to remove potentially disease-causing particles. Secondly, they moisten and warm the air to protect the respiratory system. Filtering air through the nasal passage prevents airborne bacteria, viruses, smog, dust particles, and other potentially disease-causing substances from entering the lungs or the bronchioles. Just inside the nostrils are coarse hairs that assist in trapping airborne particles as they are inhaled. The particles then drop down onto the mucous membranes in the lining of the nasal passages. The particles are then propelled out of the nose or downward to the pharynx by the wave of mucus created by the cilia in the mucous membranes. From the pharynx, mucus is swallowed and travels to the stomach where subsequently the particles are destroyed by stomach acid. If there are more particles in the nasal passages than the cilia can cope with, a reflex will be triggered producing a sneeze. The sneeze, designed to flush out the polluted air, is due to particles building up on the mucus and irritating the membrane below it.
Pharynx
As air leaves the nasal passages, it flows to the pharynx, which is a short, funnel-shaped tube about 13 cm (5 inches) long. The pharynx is also lined with a mucous membrane and ciliated cells that filter air from the nasal passages. The pharynx also includes the tonsils, which are lymphatic tissues that contain white blood cells. If any impurities escape the hairs, cilia, and mucus of the nasal passages and pharynx, the white blood cells attack the disease-causing organisms. To prevent these organisms from moving further into the body, the tonsils are strategically located. One pair of growths of lymphoid tissue, referred to as the adenoids, is located high in the rear wall of the pharynx. Two tonsils called the palatine tonsils are positioned on either side of the tongue at the back of the pharynx. Another pair called the lingual tonsils is found deep in the pharynx at the base of the tongue. The tonsils may become swollen with infection during their fight against disease-causing organisms.
Larynx
Air passes from the pharynx to the larynx, which is approximately 2 inches (5 cm) long and situated near the middle of the neck. The larynx is comprised of several layers of cartilage, a tough and flexible tissue.
In addition to transporting air to the trachea, the larynx serves other functions such as:


It prevents food and fluid from entering the air passage which would cause choking.

Its mucous membranes and cilia-bearing cells help filter air.
It plays a primary role in producing sound.

The cilia in the larynx move airborne particles up toward the pharynx to be swallowed.A thin, leaflike flap of tissue called the epiglottis prevents food and fluids from entering the larynx from the pharnyx. The epiglottis is held in a vertical position, like an open trap door when a person is breathing. When swallowing, a reflex forces the larynx and the epiglottis to move toward each other. This reflex diverts food and fluids to the esophagus. The swallowing reflex may not work if one eats or drinks too rapidly, or laughs while swallowing. Food or fluid enters the larynx and a coughing reflex is initiated to clear the obstruction. This situation may cause life-threatening choking if coughing does not clear the larynx of the obstruction.

Granted it probably possible that some things do slip by into the lungs but our respiratory system is designed to prevent things like that from happening. And think about all the other things you breathe in everyday through your nose. If you breathed through your nose and everything just went directly to the lungs we would all be dead by now, after all look how polluted our air is by fossil fuels, CFCs, and all the other shit it takes to be an industrialized nation.