Sentencing Question - Does this sound right?

[Black_Pony]

So, some of you may recall that I got into a little bit of trouble with the law over the summer. Long story short, I caught a DUI (w/ blood test positive for morphine, codeine, benzos, and THC), paraphernilia (sp) (rigs), and some bullshit about a controlled substance. First time for all charges, misdemeanors all around.

My lawyer seems to think I have two options: 90 days in the slammer or 90 day inpatient rehab. I despise rehabs.

Does this seem out of whack to anyone else or does that sound fair? Anyone else ever got a DUI for dope, what was your sentence?

[upstate_007]

When you say some 'bullshit about controlled substances' do you mean that you had some shit on you? If so, 90 days aint that bad. If you didn't have shit on you and just caught the DUI and paraphenalia (sp) charge then 90 seems a little much for a first offense. I got convicted of a similar DUI and just had to pay a bunch of fines and lost the license for a year. First offense on that one for me.

[nick]

It SOUNDS heavy-maybe time to find a better lawyer bro.

[Ludakris]

^^^

I agree with Nick, you're lawyer sounds like one of those rat bastard public defenders! I'd seek a better one, I'm sure even a *decent* lawyer would be able to negotiate you down further than 90days.

[Black_Pony]

I think it was 'Under influence of controlled substance,' on top of 'driving under influence.' Thats why i call it bullshit, I mean you're gonna get me for 'driving high' and 'being high' is a little redundant. And they found kpins and suboxone (they could have found more had they kept looking). I'm not sure how those fit into the picture but I have 3 charges, the ones i described to the best of my understanding.

I also understand that I shouldnt lose my license for this deal, which is huge for me.

I understand that my lawyer sucks, hes not exactly the best money can buy. I'm stuck with him too because I have no more money whatsoever to seek alternative counsel. I just want a different perspective on the whole thing so I can gauge if this guy is helping at all or if he's just collecting his fee and sending me up the river (similar to a public defender). I'll count those as three votes for the latter. Fuck.

And I agree with Luda, 90 days is shitty. I'd do 10 days instead of rehab, but not 90 days.

PS. this is my second lawyer, the first was even more useless (if you can imagine that).

PPS. I have no idea how my lawyer can 'negotiate' me a better deal. I had no business driving that messed up and everyone knew it. The case is pretty open and shut.

When you say some 'bullshit about controlled substances' do you mean that you had some shit on you? If so, 90 days aint that bad. If you didn't have shit on you and just caught the DUI and paraphenalia (sp) charge then 90 seems a little much for a first offense. I got convicted of a similar DUI and just had to pay a bunch of fines and lost the license for a year. First offense on that one for me.

[Bishop]

They tryna getchu into that rehab.

[Ludakris]

I think it was 'Under influence of controlled substance,' on top of 'driving under influence.' Thats why i call it bullshit, I mean you're gonna get me for 'driving high' and 'being high' is a little redundant. And they found kpins and suboxone (they could have found more had they kept looking). I'm not sure how those fit into the picture but I have 3 charges, the ones i described to the best of my understanding.

I also understand that I shouldnt lose my license for this deal, which is huge for me.

I understand that my lawyer sucks, hes not exactly the best money can buy. I'm stuck with him too because I have no more money whatsoever to seek alternative counsel. I just want a different perspective on the whole thing so I can gauge if this guy is helping at all or if he's just collecting his fee and sending me up the river (similar to a public defender). I'll count those as three votes for the latter. Fuck.

And I agree with Luda, 90 days is shitty. I'd do 10 days instead of rehab, but not 90 days.

PS. this is my second lawyer, the first was even more useless (if you can imagine that).

PPS. I have no idea how my lawyer can 'negotiate' me a better deal. I had no business driving that messed up and everyone knew it. The case is pretty open and shut.

Well, in my experience, a good or 'decent' lawyer can negotiate a plea bargin (you know, pleas guilty for DUI and they will drop the 'under the influence' or 'possesion' charge, or something to that effect) or even ask the judge to suspend part of the sentence with probation of some form.

From the initial sound of your post, it sounded exactly like my public defender a few years back. He just wanted to plea me guilty and for me to bend over and take whatever came at me because he had "a working relationship with these people..." and blah blah blah. But if this is your second lawyer, I can see where you have pretty much used your resources (and getting yet another would just be that much more costly).

Have you looked up state laws and presidented sentences for similar cases? I know sentencing varies from state to state.

[aj11]

I think a 30 inpatient rehab is more likly a sentence, get a good lawyer, It's hard to save money for attoneys when you got a habit though

[samsong]

Are you in CA Black Pony? If so, my bud from many years ago recently got his sceond DUI, and he blew a real high number (forget exactly, but it was hihg). Totally wrecked his suv and what not. Anyway, he paid big bucks for a lawyer, got 30 days in house rehab and ankle bracelet for three more months after that--he could leave for work but had to be home at certain hour every night. He was allowed an hour or two on weekends d to go food shopping. He also lost his licesne for 3 years. He did pay a lot on money for the lawyer, but I think his deal would be way better than 90 days in cell or rehab. But this was his second dui in 4 years. This was in a SF/SJ court.

[Coldshakekid]

You NEED TO

TELL YOUR LAWYER what your going to take.
AND ACCEPT NO OTHER TERMS>

Ive been thru this sooo many times.

What do you think you deserve?What will YOU ACCEPT?

30days inptient sounds fair.
Class A misdemeanor carries the maximum of 1 year in prison.
YOu cannot be sentenced consecutive for crimes commited in the same 1 act.
So if your guilty of 30 misdemeanors all carry 1 year....You get 30 years run concurrent which is 1 year.
So to get a deal.
Let him know you know the max on blowing trial is 1 year
Tell him that you will take 6 months probation and plea to 1 low low class misdemeanor like disorderly conduct.
HE WILL JUMP ON THAT !!
Or 30 day rehab all charges ACOD 6 months =clean slate no record...best deal

so what do u want or think u deserve?

[george123]

Remember, the 90 days will be 60 days in the slammer for good time credits.....but 90 days in rehab WILL BE 90 days, no good time credits there!

[mike]

Dude, being in rehab is far better than being in jail, trust me. At least in rehab you have some semblance of freedom, and you won't be locked in a fucking cage. I dunno, I guess I just can't understand how anyone would choose jail. You'll have to detox either way if you're choosing between rehab or jail, so you might as well do it in a medicated environment where you have access to medical care.

[upstate_007]

Depending on the length of each option....... I have chose a few months in county over rehab before. I figured that it would suck either was, but jail got me back on the streets quicker and with no post sentence monitoring.

[evanjr2000]

So, some of you may recall that I got into a little bit of trouble with the law over the summer. Long story short, I caught a DUI (w/ blood test positive for morphine, codeine, benzos, and THC), paraphernilia (sp) (rigs), and some bullshit about a controlled substance. First time for all charges, misdemeanors all around.

My lawyer seems to think I have two options: 90 days in the slammer or 90 day inpatient rehab. I despise rehabs.

Does this seem out of whack to anyone else or does that sound fair? Anyone else ever got a DUI for dope, what was your sentence?

Thats a harsh sentance dude, what state are you in? Last year I got what was technically my 2nd DUI (3rd one was dropped from my record because it was over 10 years ago), plus it was a hit and run, and my BAC was .24. It was also a probation violation which I was on from a heroin bust a couple years ago. So with all that, I got 6 months in an inpatient rehab. 1st offender DUI usually carries no jail time, 3 month suspended license and 3 months of an alcohol education class that you have to attend once a week. For you to get 6 months for a 1st offense seems really harsh...I hope you didn't pay that attorney too much money. If you happen to live in So Cal, I have a guy that will get you a WAY better deal...I didn't use him because unfortunatley at the time I was broke and couldn't afford any attorney. But yeah, you sould be getttin a way lighter sentance

[Kisa]

I got a 2nd DUI last summer. They found coke, codein, and valium in my blood. So, obviously,
i was also charged with being "under the influence of a controlled substance". I'm in CA. I got 4 days of work project, 18-months DUI school, AA meetings and a fine of $2,500. But no rehab or jail and that's for 2nd DUI, not 1st. So, the punishment described above does seem kind of harsh. Did you have any priors as far as posession or something similar? It doesn't really make sence why they would give you 90 days of rehab/jail unless they got an impression that you're a habitual drug user...

[Black_Pony]

so what do u want or think u deserve?
Well, I was hoping for a fine and some classes, maybe comm. service on the weekend. I suppose I deserve to be flogged and my license taken away for driving that fucked up.
Remember, the 90 days will be 60 days in the slammer for good time credits.....but 90 days in rehab WILL BE 90 days, no good time credits there!
I know! I’d almost rather do the time if I didn’t have to work, and I found a rehab that will let me work as long as I’m back by 6:30 every day.
Dude, being in rehab is far better than being in jail, trust me. At least in rehab you have some semblance of freedom, and you won't be locked in a fucking cage. I dunno, I guess I just can't understand how anyone would choose jail. You'll have to detox either way if you're choosing between rehab or jail, so you might as well do it in a medicated environment where you have access to medical care.
Its not like I got the money for Betty Ford or some shit. These crummy rehabs have no medical environment whatsoever and it feels like a cage even though it isn’t one literally. Kicking in either place would suck hard. I plan on keeping my subs a secret and just cruising by on those. My bupe doc just called me in a script this morning with a refill attached.
Depending on the length of each option....... I have chose a few months in county over rehab before. I figured that it would suck either was, but jail got me back on the streets quicker and with no post sentence monitoring.
Thats a harsh sentance dude, what state are you in? Last year I got what was technically my 2nd DUI (3rd one was dropped from my record because it was over 10 years ago), plus it was a hit and run, and my BAC was .24. It was also a probation violation which I was on from a heroin bust a couple years ago. So with all that, I got 6 months in an inpatient rehab. 1st offender DUI usually carries no jail time, 3 month suspended license and 3 months of an alcohol education class that you have to attend once a week. For you to get 6 months for a 1st offense seems really harsh...I hope you didn't pay that attorney too much money. If you happen to live in So Cal, I have a guy that will get you a WAY better deal...I didn't use him because unfortunatley at the time I was broke and couldn't afford any attorney. But yeah, you sould be getttin a way lighter sentance
Ya, I live in the SF bay, CA. Hit and run huh? I guess when your driving around with a 0.24 BAC you really shouldn’t wait around too long after you hit something! I agreed to pay my lawyer $2,500 if he got my back on another case I had caught (turned out it got dropped). I guess he’s better than a P.D, but not a whole lot.
I got a 2nd DUI last summer. They found coke, codein, and valium in my blood. So, obviously,
i was also charged with being "under the influence of a controlled substance". I'm in CA. I got 4 days of work project, 18-months DUI school, AA meetings and a fine of $2,500. But no rehab or jail and that's for 2nd DUI, not 1st. So, the punishment described above does seem kind of harsh. Did you have any priors as far as posession or something similar? It doesn't really make sence why they would give you 90 days of rehab/jail unless they got an impression that you're a habitual drug user...
No, I really don’t have any priors! Your sentence seems more reasonable (and under similar circumstances as my own). And that was your 2nd and this is my 1st! And only hopefully…

[Black_Pony]

So, while I’m thinking about it, I should describe my weekend run in with the cops.

I was driving my 64 Chevy pickup up from the valley at my old place with a load of my belongings up to the bay where I live now. I had like half a joint left on me, a tweek pipe and a smattering of crystal, and some black tar crumbs. Cop comes racing up and falls in behind me. Turns on the light show.

By now I make an attempt to stash some of my contraband in some moving boxes I had in the seat next to me. Cop comes up to my passenger side, but I have too much shit in my way to reach the window opener crank-thing. So I wave and hop out of the truck to go talk to him.


After I get out he runs up on me, ‘HEY! Where are you going?!??’
‘I’m coming to see what the hell you want, I couldn’t reach my window.’
‘I pulled you over because you were swerving. Lose the cigarette’
[I toss cigarette]
‘Fucken put that out! You wanna start a fire?!?!’
[I quietly smother the butt with my foot]
‘Gimme your license.’
[He looks at license]
‘Can you see without your glasses?’
‘Hell no.’
‘Do you think you could at least see my finger if I put it right in front of your face?’
‘Doubtful, but I’ll give it the old college try.’

Then he gives me a nystagmus test After which I blurt out, ‘I have a degenerative eye disorder called keratoconus (sp), just so you know.’

He hands me my license and tells me, ‘Drive safe.’

It was great! I have no idea if he got some kind of call that I didn’t hear, but he did not go by the book at all! Didn’t check me for warrants, didn’t even want to see my registration or insurance. It was a bullshit stop to begin with. I wasn’t swerving which was evident by the cops demeanor. If you actually did something wrong they always ask, ‘do you know why I pulled you over?’ This guy just immediately blurts out, ‘I stopped you for swerving,’ like he was just trying to cover his ass for stopping a beat up old truck driving by at 3:00AM.

Anyway it was great. I could have got busted hard as my second offense but instead this cop half-assed his job and let me go. I wasn’t really a danger to anyone. I was just barely buzzin a little but I definitely had contraband. I don’t know if it was the eye condition line and using a ‘big-word sounding’ medical term, but once I said that he didn’t want anything more to do with me.

It was the high point of my 2007 year so far, that’s for sure. Thank the lord above that this cop didn’t want to waste his time on a petty user that wouldn’t harm anyone. If he was bored he could have hauled me in. I guess he had no desire to head back to the station.

[upstate_007]

Thats awesome when it works out like that.

And I would love to see that 64 truck of yours. Old pick ups are the shit.

[SurfRat]

I was not sure if it was first offense, because that does seem extreme.

On the recent stop though, I am glad that went ok for you!:)

[mikells43]

sorry about bringing this thread back up but i wanted to toss in my 2cents. anyways i have 2 duis on my record. the first one i wasn't leaggually drunk but i had xanax and soma and booze in my system. i lost my liscense for that one and they gave me time served (38 HOURS). i had some other charges too that were tied into it all misdemenors , i got a total of 4 years probation for everything no jail time. my 2nd dui the prob time was tied in with my 1st one (4 years). for it i had to do 96 hours in jail and for both i got a total of 90 hours community service and 4 years probation. oh i had 30 days house arrest too. did ur fucking lawyer forget about the house arrest option, id tell him to push for that if u dont mind being in the house, i had a friend on house arrest and he could ride his fuckin dirt bike thats how leanent the systems are. in pa ur first dui u loose ur liscense for 30 days if u get ard. if not u loose it for a year. i lost mine for a total of 4 years too lol, cause my 2nd one i refused the bac test 2 times and for each time u refuse its a year so thats 3 with my first one tacked on to it. and i took the option not to have a breath machine in my car so i gave it up for anouther year which u can't do now with the new dui law. i dont think they will make u go to jail for 90 days thats seems severe even if u had a high bac. ive seen people fucking total a car and injure someone very badly and not even get jail time or rehab time. of course there going to make u do an eval at a rehab but u can lie on that. everyone does. and u have to take dumb dui classes too. if u have any questions please pm me cause i have tons of exp with the dui legal sys, its fucked up . if u can get a good lawer please do it money is power in the dui game.

[Black_Pony]

Well I'm in my program and I found the best/easiest program on planet earth! (Thanks to my man Chopstix!!!!)

I've been in a week and havent been tested yet! So of course I'm still using.

Its harder for me to use the computer since I lost my job again (not due to opiates this time), but I'm stoked to have internet access today!

Rock and Roll,

BP

[starglazer33]

man its not that harsh but not that cool either. the answer really really depends on what state ur in. never take the 1st offer they'll lower it believe me no one wants a trial. take the 2nd or third offer if u cant beat it altogether. but there ar so many factors involved on this one so just gather all the info yuu can on the pa(prosecuting attorn.) see what the standard deal is w/out a lwyr. and with one. then ask about how the pa responds to things where thay stand on certain issues blah, blah then push your luck according to the info but never never take the 1st offer tell you wanna take it to trial.

yeah rehab much much betta.
only no good time.

[Ludakris]

<<nip>. anyways i have 2 duis on my record. the first one i wasn't legally drunk but i had xanax and soma and booze in my system.

I HATE that part of the "law". As long as you have even the slightest trace of alcohol or drugs in you, you can be considered "Impaired". The law basically gives LE the right to make a judgment call whether you are .001, or .21.

Or even worse, a friend of mine has very severe panic attacks caused by agoraphobia and while trying to regain control of her life, she would try to drive a little further from home, and a little further...so on, so forth. Anyhow, this one day she drove past the city limits and went into a severe panic attack. So she pulls off ion the shoulder and pops a xanax, as luck would have it a cop pulled up behind her and asked her what the problem was. She explained the situation while trying to regain her breath, and the asshole arrested her for DUI and she hadn't even driven yet, hell, the xanax had just barely kicked in. Luckily she got off in court, but I thought that was a real chicken shit move on the cop's part.

[mikells43]

I HATE that part of the "law". As long as you have even the slightest trace of alcohol or drugs in you, you can be considered "Impaired". The law basically gives LE the right to make a judgment call whether you are .001, or .21.

Or even worse, a friend of mine has very severe panic attacks caused by agoraphobia and while trying to regain control of her life, she would try to drive a little further from home, and a little further...so on, so forth. Anyhow, this one day she drove past the city limits and went into a severe panic attack. So she pulls off ion the shoulder and pops a xanax, as luck would have it a cop pulled up behind her and asked her what the problem was. She explained the situation while trying to regain her breath, and the asshole arrested her for DUI and she hadn't even driven yet, hell, the xanax had just barely kicked in. Luckily she got off in court, but I thought that was a real chicken shit move on the cop's part.


thats terrible. abs. terrible. yea the fucked up thing about my first dui is that they blood tested me and everything, and the fucking xanax never showed up, my bac was .071 and carasparadol (soma) was in my blood. i dont kno to this day how i got a dui lol. i was so fucked up then i didn't care. there were some other charged intwined into that case cause i robbed an old lady of pills, so i didn't get fucking ard for that shit and i had the full punishment.

yet this year ON STATE PAROLE, an old frined of mine gets a dui his bac was .22, and they send him back to prison, let him back out and say he MAXED OUT HIS SENTENCE, and he fucking got ard. they gave him a hell of a break, if that was me or u, we would have been violated on our parole, sent back to prison , we would have been forced to redo all of our street time back in prison(he was out for 3 years and fucked up 2 times before). i dont kno how he got that break i really dont, but some people can, and to top it all he had a public defender. how is that fuking possible when u violate parole 2 times before that too. some people can fall into a ditch full of shit and come out smelling like they just got out of the shower.

[Black_Pony]

OK, I had court Monday, so heres the final outcome, in case any1 cares.

I BARELY got my 90 days for the DUI turned into 90 days inpatient rehab, 90 days DWI classes, and 3 yrs probation (informal- obey all laws)!

Second charge: misd. under influence of controlled substance (just BEING under the influence, not driving) 2 days in county, 1 day time served, meaning 24 hours. I just did that time and got out like an hour ago. 24 hrs on lock down, not too bad.

3rd charge: paraphgernilia (sp), dropped.

AND I showed up late to court AFTER my lawyer left, so I had to do the talking myself like a big boy. The judge was like 99% ready to give me the 90 days and then I weaseled out of it! The DA got my back too, and agreed with me! What are the chances of that. I think it was cuz of how damn good I looked, I rocked my all white tie with a silver/grey outfit, oh ya.

Stupid fucken lawyer, who needs him.

So anyway, I'm stoked. I want to celebrate with narcotic painkillers, but I get tested tomorrow at my program. I Think I'm gonna go for oxycodone cuz I dont suspect they test for that.

Anyway, thanks to everyone for the support!

[nick]

Pleased that you escaped without more jail time bro .

[SurfRat]

OK, I had court Monday, so heres the final outcome, in case any1 cares.

I BARELY got my 90 days for the DUI turned into 90 days inpatient rehab, 90 days DWI classes, and 3 yrs probation (informal- obey all laws)!

Second charge: misd. under influence of controlled substance (just BEING under the influence, not driving) 2 days in county, 1 day time served, meaning 24 hours. I just did that time and got out like an hour ago. 24 hrs on lock down, not too bad.

3rd charge: paraphgernilia (sp), dropped.

AND I showed up late to court AFTER my lawyer left, so I had to do the talking myself like a big boy. The judge was like 99% ready to give me the 90 days and then I weaseled out of it! The DA got my back too, and agreed with me! What are the chances of that. I think it was cuz of how damn good I looked, I rocked my all white tie with a silver/grey outfit, oh ya.

Stupid fucken lawyer, who needs him.

So anyway, I'm stoked. I want to celebrate with narcotic painkillers, but I get tested tomorrow at my program. I Think I'm gonna go for oxycodone cuz I dont suspect they test for that.

Anyway, thanks to everyone for the support!


Jesus Christ!! That is heavy to go through!

Big props to you!!

So glad you did alright. Hope it keeps going ok too.

[Black_Pony]

Thanks fellas! The whole probabtion thing irks me. Doesn't that mean if I so much as jaywalk, I'll do even more time than I had to begin with? I mean, probation violation is worse than 90 day right?

Not to mention the whole 5 point search business. I guess that doesn't matter, cops seem to always search my ass everytime they talk to me anyway, irregardless of being on probation or not. So i guess not much difference as far as that goes.

[upstate_007]

I am glad it worked out for you somewhat Pony. Good job on representing yourself too and getting the job done.

In New York probation violations are usually 6 months depending on the charge and all that legal jazz. Not sure how it is out your way. It could just be a situation where you get sentenced on the original charge or some shit like that.

[rude]

LOL you all are used to California sentences. In the southern states, especially in rural areas, you would do more time than that. I know in my town, 1 OC gets you 60 days your 1st time. If its combined with a DUI and paraphenalia you'll either do rehab or 6 months.

Plus there is no such thing as misdemeanor possession of anything except pot and schedule IV's. It's all mandatory felony. They finally did put in a drug court so everyone wouldnt have life long felonies for their 1st time. We are so far behind the times, but the south always was.

[HistoryofMadness]

congrats but i would be careful with the OC because i've been taking lots of tests recently and i've not seen one yet WITHOUT OC...

hydromorph is a fuckin short half life. then there's always kratom, which is not tested for at all as far as i know.

but hell man you can always pull the "well if i could stop on my own i wouldn't need fuckin rehab now would i?" routine.

but good job on taking care of yourself i hope you get all your money back from that shithead lawyer.

[Nate]

All I can say is that it definetly sounds harsh....system up here is different, I would expect nothing more then prohibation.

Good luck man, hope you can crack a favourable deal.

[Black_Pony]

Ya, upon further research (I should say upon research period) I discovered OC is pretty standard now on the opiate panel. Which is fucked because I partook yesterday and Ill probably get tested today. Oh well, I didn't use much. I'm hoping If I guzzle some H20 I may succeed. And then theres always the chance I wont get tested until tomorrow which would be even better.

And how could I forget Kratom, of course! Too bad I'm broke and all my credit debit cards are overdue and turned off. Maybe I can strike a deal with someone who has credit and send away for some more kratom, its been a LONG while but my options are pretty limited so I think I'm gonna go for it.

Now I understand fent wont show on a test. However its hard to come by around these parts (for me at least). I might be able to get a lollipop if I work my ass off but im afraid that wont do shit to me.

Thanks for the help brainstorming.

BP

congrats but i would be careful with the OC because i've been taking lots of tests recently and i've not seen one yet WITHOUT OC...

hydromorph is a fuckin short half life. then there's always kratom, which is not tested for at all as far as i know.

but hell man you can always pull the "well if i could stop on my own i wouldn't need fuckin rehab now would i?" routine.

but good job on taking care of yourself i hope you get all your money back from that shithead lawyer.

[zenpunk]

Out here its a real wide range as to what you get in terms of sentencing. I'm in rehab with people who have their first DWI and they are going to have to do 9 months outpatient and in some cases weekend jail. I have a friend who's had 2 DWIs and has skated on both of them. Of course, I hooked my friend up with who I know to be a really good lawyer. Another guy just got yanked from our rehab and sent to 10 months in jail after 2 DWIs. Seems like what you got is the normal deal if you don't have a good lawyer.

[chopstix]

Nice work BP, the probation is a bitch tho (not sure the diff between formal and informal), you WILL get searched anytime you get run and they can toss your pad whenever they want - and they do, I know a ton of people here who are ex-fiends and have horror story after horror story about probation searches. And just some words 'cause I know ya - don't blow what you got, just like you said, S is a fuckin' cakewalk, especially once you're in, but I've seen 'em boot people many, many times. Bernie was teaching his bird to say "pack your shit" when I moved in...

Careful with that probation dude, I think they can bottle you at anytime too. Maybe not w/ informal but it could get bumped if you get in trouble..

[Black_Pony]

Ya, I decided to quit the rehab. By 'decided to quit,' i really mean: went on a week long binge and haven't been back in there! But it should be cool because the judge didn't really say I had to stay in there. She only said I need '90 days of DWI classes' which is not the same thing. Now I dont know what exactly that entails but I understand its some kind of 1st offender classes every so often each week.

Now, I REALLY hope I dont get tested for that, in which case I can let my opiate addiction rage on. (and hope I dont get bottled for some other reason like you said and be in violation of my probation).

Word,
BP

Nice work BP, the probation is a bitch tho (not sure the diff between formal and informal), you WILL get searched anytime you get run and they can toss your pad whenever they want - and they do, I know a ton of people here who are ex-fiends and have horror story after horror story about probation searches. And just some words 'cause I know ya - don't blow what you got, just like you said, S is a fuckin' cakewalk, especially once you're in, but I've seen 'em boot people many, many times. Bernie was teaching his bird to say "pack your shit" when I moved in...

Careful with that probation dude, I think they can bottle you at anytime too. Maybe not w/ informal but it could get bumped if you get in trouble..

[mikells43]

hope u didn't sign a relese that lets ur probation officer know ur status in rehab. they tried to get me to sign one of those. and each time u would fail a urine in rehab they would report it to the po. and if ur status changed u would get reported. fucking sucks. also probation drug tests are hard to beat. my old ones would go to a lab. i had scripts then thank god. but i never failed 1 in 4 years. dont ask me how i did that. caus i honestly dont kno. i took alot of ultram also. it does not come up.