Duration of WDs

[Coddfish]

I have seen and heard many people say that some opiates only take a few days to get over a habit. H is said to take 3 days to a week. When I kicked it I didn't sleep AT ALL for 3 weeks and my friend, who had a similar habit, didn't sleep for a month. That was the only opie we had been doing for several months. You can imagine my skepticism when I hear the '3 day bit', it has never worked that way for me. I was hoping people could mention their opie and how long it takes to get through wd's for them with that drug. My wd experience is limited to what you see, but I am working on a sub taper that is nearing success with virtually no wd symptoms.

[Zoop]

Hydrocodone - about 5 days - it was a light habit though.

Kratom - 3 days and it was over one time, and then another time, I was still in the thick of it at 3 days, then went back on kratom.

Good luck on that suboxone taper you're doing. I tried that at the beginning of November, but the WD's came right back after 3 days off of the suboxone. I tried another 8 day taper, then the same thing 3 days after stopping the suboxone. Now, I'm on a maintenance dose of 16mg/d.

[GMorris]

The first time I got a major habit I was using MOSTLY Dilaudid (Hydromorphone), with one H fix that I managed to get (excellent shit, btw) and assorted others when the DOC could not be located. When I ran out of money and got disgusted enough at myself, my girlfriend at the time and I decided to just kick cold turkey. We laid in the bed most of it, getting up only occasionally to shit water or puke. By the third day, I was BAD sick. Didn't eat (couldn't) for about 5 days, then on the fifth day I started to feel a little better and had half a bowl of soup. After that, I was in the clear, but that third day almost killed me!

[shaunclo]

The first time I kicked, I was on about a 3-4 month run smoking black-tar. When I cold-turkied, it was about 4 days. On the 4th day though I was feeling so much better that it seemed like I was completey normal. The 3rd day was the worst.

There are a lot of variables that will determine how long and how bad the w/d's will be. For instance, if you are shooting your opiate of choice, the w/d's are going to last longer. If you are only smoking or snorting the w/d's last shorter and not as severe. But regardless, like I have said before, w/ds's are w/d's are w/d's. They all suck no matter how short or long they are. It is like being stuck in a nightmare you cannot wake up from. I think everyone here can relate.

[steelheadwayne]

Back when i did H i was also on alot of other drugs. As far as the H i would use for maybe a week or so and then be useing coke and speed and drinking (mostly all) so i never had WD. The worse was my methadone WD which lasted over 3 weeks, but i was in the hospital cause i ODed on it.
As far as my oxys i am useing kratom and have no WD cause of it. I highly recomemed it but im not sure if would work for H or M.
.................PEACE....................Wayne... .......................<{{{><...................

[duke_nemmerle]

I have seen and heard many people say that some opiates only take a few days to get over a habit. H is said to take 3 days to a week. When I kicked it I didn't sleep AT ALL for 3 weeks and my friend, who had a similar habit, didn't sleep for a month. That was the only opie we had been doing for several months. You can imagine my skepticism when I hear the '3 day bit', it has never worked that way for me. I was hoping people could mention their opie and how long it takes to get through wd's for them with that drug. My wd experience is limited to what you see, but I am working on a sub taper that is nearing success with virtually no wd symptoms.

Damn bro that really sucks. I took about 5 days of pretty hard WD to get off fent and oxy. I dunno what it would be now, but I'm scared to try another cold turkey

[Coddfish]

This is interesting, different strokes for different blokes. I guess I should mention a couple of things about my first post. At the time I kicked H, I was slamming more than a gram of the tar every day, in fact sometimes it was much more. Also, I had been on methadone for a while before using only H for several months. Could methadone have goofed up my chemistry that much? I mean, I made the switch back to H from Meth AT LEAST 12 weeks before I kicked the H. Then the hellish WDs that were like 8 times longer than everyone else's. This happened after an ultra rapid detox. Those terrible weeks caught me off gaurd cause I expected to wake up in 12 hours all 'cured'. I stayed clean for two months, but I still was not feeling normal so, ultimately, I cracked under the pressure. (That was the best high of my life, by the way---guilty pleasures!) Maybe some of this stuff had something to do with the longer than normal WDs I mentioned above; Oh yeah, I was prone to insomnia before ever starting the opies. Are steelhead and I the only ones that have gone through more than a week? It doesn't seem fair, does it steely?

[candy]

My first withdrawal from H was about 5 days. On the 5th day I started to feel somewhat normal. The second time I went cold turkey, using about 2 grams a day, lasted almost 2 weeks. But sleep has always been a problem since I started using opiates several years back. Even on Methadone, I don't sleep a full night and sleep aides only give me a headache.

I did a blind detox off of Methadone at one time and did not experience any WD's but it was done over several months. Cannot imagine going off of Methadone cold turkey.
The last detox from H really was hell and I just cannot imagine going through something like that again.

You just cannot imagine how painful it is until you have experienced WD's firsthand. My Dad was always really hard on me about my opiate use until he forgot his Morphine one long weekend when he took off to Vegas. Who did he call when the WD's set in? Well, a trip to the ER saved his ass during the ride home, but he did get a taste of what it was like and stays away from that subject with me now.

[shoxy]

wd's suck bigtime.....wish i never had to feel them again....its truely a terrifying thing. ps. how the fuck do i change the little thing under my name that says "ocassionally medicated" its supposed to be " "always medicated"...it irritates me everytime i see it

[poppy]

Shoxy I agree with you, withdrawals suck big time!!!!
Look forward to talking to u in the new year!!!!!!!!
Take care & keep smiling,talk to you soon, Laters Poppyxxx

[shaunclo]

Shoxy, you have to make a donation to be able to change the title under your username.

[GMorris]

wd's suck bigtime.....wish i never had to feel them again....its truely a terrifying thing. ps. how the fuck do i change the little thing under my name that says "ocassionally medicated" its supposed to be " "always medicated"...it irritates me everytime i see it
You mean you WANT it to be "always medicated"...

Making a donation IS one way, the other way is to keep posting. Eventually when you have enough posts it will change automatically according to how the keepers of the board have it set up, but you will still have no direct control over it. I just passed 100 posts recently and have graduated to "Opiophorum Member"!

[sidman]

From My Experience,it Seem's That Everyone Is Different In How They Go Through Withdrawals. I Have Gone Through Through Them So Many Time's,that It Seem's(unfortunately)that I Have Grown Accustomed To Them When I Do Have Them. The Worse My Habit,the Worst The Withdrawal's. I Have Experienced All Different Level's Of Withdrawal's And The Part I Hate The Most Is When My Arm's And Leg's Will Involuntarily Thrash Around. The Second Worst Is When I Get The "fever-chills" And The Third Worst Is The Psychological Part.
I Have Gotten Over The Lack Of Sleep Part(mostly)and When I Can't Get Any Dope,or If I Am Trying To Kick,i Won't Even Try To Sleep. I Just Wait Until My Body Get's So Tired It Passes Out.....and Even Then,it Will Be Only For A Couple Minute's.
I Have Kicked So Many Time's That I Have Grown To Loathe Myself When W'd's Kick In,because I Can't Help But To Have The Thought Of 'why Do I Do This To Myself?" Yet,even When I Have Gotten Over The Worst Part Of W'd's, And I Am Sleeping On My Own Again, I Can't Get The Thought Of Getting High Out Of My Head!! It's Like I Have Become Demonically Possessed When,knowing How"i Shouldn't Be Doing This", I Still Go And Get High. My Opinioin Is That Getting High After W'd's Is A Waste Of The Effort Of Trying To Kick. I Wish I Could Kick Dope Forever Because I Hate W'd's So Much. However I Love To Get High,and For Me,nothing Beat's Dope! Oh,why Can't We Get High Without Consequence's?why,why,why,why,why,whyyyyy? I Wish I Had Never Even Tried Dope In The First Place. I Cant Say That If I Had Only Known,then I Would'nt Have Done It,because I Know Now And Yet I Still Do It!!
Anyway's,i Have Found That The Best Way For Me To Kick Dope Definately Is Not Cold Turkey,but By Tapering Off Slowly. The Only Way I Can Do That Is Through A Detox That Employ's A Methadone Taper,or To Give A True Freind My Dope(already Rationed Out)and Have Them Refuse To Give It To Me Until The Next Scheduled Time. Even When I Successfully Do This, I Still Get The"no Sleep" Part For At Least Two Week's After. It Is Better Than The Shit's/puking/sweating/chill's And Ache's And Pain's Though!!!compared To Those,i Can Deal With Little Sleep!!

[blackdog]

let's put it this way.i could care less about any kind of pain or suffering i could wish on anybody even my worse enemies but I'll tell ya "cold turkey" even to this day, i wouldn't wish it upon my worse enemie. when i was doing it it the last time i chose to i could have gone AMA from the in-patient rehab/detox it was supposed to be a bufonex whatchamacallit detox but that shit and me just don't get along at all so i stopped the bup and when it alone notta just c/t and I'll tell not even on my worse enemies would i wish that if the lord came to me an asked if i was ready to go i would have gone in a heartbeat. anyway theres a whole long storie here later DA/dawgg:cool:

[Buckshot]

Im currently on day 16.
My dose varied but at the minimum I'd use 160mgs of oxy, and I'd go through about 20 giant pods ground and ,ade into tea everyday.

I've been on 100mgs of methadone, for a year or so. And my cells never fully recovered from that since I just switched to pod tea and sniffed oxyontin.

I've also IV'd my oxy pretty often.

In my opinion this demonstratates my dose was signifigant. Yes there Junkies who had higher daily doeses but I beat this fucker on my own.

My advise is a positive attitude, lopermide, DXM in the evening, ibuprofin.

After about 3-5 days, you will feel better. Sleeping and bowl disorders are one of the last recover, and
I'm curious if IBS is related in anyway to opiate addiction? Also does using lopermide for diareaha produce the risk of lengthening WD syptoms?

Thanks and good luck

[Mu-Lover]

In my experiences of cold turkey, I found the following w/d lengths:

Oxy 240-480mg/day: 7days (with no real nutrition involved in that week)

Morphine 180mg/day: 3 days and almost all w/d's were gone (liquified bm's were still happening, but thats about it). And YES, 3rd day SUCKED to say the least

Methadone 120mg/day: 30-40 days++ I am an avid opposer to methadone. I think, or rather know, these clinics are here for one reason only, which i'm sure you know as well-----to make money. Methadone is the worst of the worst...lets replace H or Morph or D or Percs or WHATEVER short acting opiate you were doing with one with a halflife 6-10 times longer than any of those. I could have strangled my friend who swore it was the holy grail (he is still on it, i am not, so he doesnt hasn't felt the pain). I'm sure anyone out there can agree with me on this that has detoxed off methadone. Its the worst.

I found that an important key to recovering quicker is nutrition (though it may be hard to keep down food), take a good multi-vitamin, lots of proteins, no red meat (causes muscle tension and soreness), no sugar, lots of fiber/fruits/veggies, and lots of essential amino acids (proteins) like Lycene and L-Glutamine, etc. Well...that's my 3 cents

[SpecialGuy69]

moldy oldie thread. Its sad to read about all these guys detoxing this time last year, and they are all back on again. It's hopeless. I'd kill myself today if I had a really cool way to do it, and if there was no consequences. Like maybe jumping into a jet engine and being turned into juice. Or soak in gasoline, then go on the white house tour, ignite self in oval office... So many choices!

DISCLAIMER: I'm not suicidal. It's a thought excercise- there ARE consequences, and I'm not contemplating offing myself right now. I was raised catholic, and they ingrained the belief in me that suicide is a mortal sin, punishable by an eternity in hell. I believe that a lot less now, but it's still a powerful deterrent. NO "I'm worried about you" emails, PLEASE.

[Buckshot]

It really seems day 3 is the worst.

By day 5 though my temperature regulates itself much better.

In my honest opinion when people say WD's only last 3-4 days they, either dont know better, or they ment to say the "severe" WD's only last 3-4 days.

Today is day 17 without any opiates at all. And around day 6 or 7 my endorphins started flowing again, and its a really incredible feeling. You realize that you're tollerance was so high, that when you did dope you were only getting to be normal. And you're so not used to being "normal" that being normal actually feels like Im high again....If thats understandable?

But at day 17 my bowles are still fucked up.....I wonder if taking lopermide extended that recovery stage?

[Mu-Lover]

It really seems day 3 is the worst.

By day 5 though my temperature regulates itself much better.

In my honest opinion when people say WD's only last 3-4 days they, either dont know better, or they ment to say the "severe" WD's only last 3-4 days.

Today is day 17 without any opiates at all. And around day 6 or 7 my endorphins started flowing again, and its a really incredible feeling. You realize that you're tollerance was so high, that when you did dope you were only getting to be normal. And you're so not used to being "normal" that being normal actually feels like Im high again....If thats understandable?

But at day 17 my bowles are still fucked up.....I wonder if taking lopermide extended that recovery stage?

Yes...i was referring to severe w/d symptoms...we all know about the depression and achieness that follows...one vicous cycle

[Mu-Lover]

And F'd up BM's...that usually lasts long for me

[Chipper]

Using sleep as a yardstick, after 7 years on Methadone mainly, my taper took 4 months and almost another 2 months before I could say that everything was almost normal.

[glm]

I wd'd 2 years ago and my sleeping pattern still hasnt returnd towhat it was before i started using.I have an extremely dificult time sleeping at night.

[nick]

Too goddam long.

[glm]

word. way too long.

[glm]

I also found subutex./suboxone has been the best help when trying to detox.better than that methadone crap.

[Duckfeet]

I also found subutex./suboxone has been the best help when trying to detox.better than that methadone crap.

Yeah, I agree...subs get rid of withdrawals. But there's no free lunch. Then ur all strung out on subs, w/none of the payoff of smack. It's like all the problems of heroin, and none of the fun. I guess not *all* of the problems, but certainly no happy detox, like first presumed. I'm strung on subs now, which is kind of a chickenshit, mickeymouse thing to be strung on, kind of like being strung out on Ultram or Talwin...embarrassing, really. Nothing I want to brag about down on the corner...way down on the list of jailhouse cool...

[OxyContinuously]

WD's are absolutely terrible, no matter how you slice up this rotten pie. The physical, the mental, the emotional collapse--it all adds up to inexplicable depression and despair. It does end, eventually, but while it is rearing its ugly head, there is nothing you can do but "bite down on your lip and give that turd hell..."--Austin Powers reference. That's the best explanation I can really give.

OxyC

[Duckfeet]

WD's are absolutely terrible, no matter how you slice up this rotten pie. The physical, the mental, the emotional collapse--it all adds up to inexplicable depression and despair. It does end, eventually, but while it is rearing its ugly head, there is nothing you can do but "bite down on your lip and give that turd hell..."--Austin Powers reference. That's the best explanation I can really give.

OxyC

Yer rite: that's the bottom line. We try all kinds of ways to avoid'em, to sidestep'em, and there are so many different facets. And even when u think u r "done" u r rarely back to pre-drug "happiness," and that seems elusive, at best. Took me way too long, away from it all, to get what I would call "normally" content with my lot. Absence of drugs, as we know, doesn't do it. I used to think when I was younger--and it would motivate me--that I could get off heroin, and be what I perceived "normal" people to me: you know, content, piddling around with life, get a girl, have a beer...but always seemed a bit empty, to me. And I had beautiful women, was commercial diver, flying all over south America, Harleys, managed a popular bar: from a distance, anyway, a pretty cool life...why would anybody throw all that away? Well, hardcore opiate addicts know cold truth, which often I wish I didn't. Trade it all in in a minute...

[-Skrilla-]

Yeah, I agree...subs get rid of withdrawals. But there's no free lunch. Then ur all strung out on subs, w/none of the payoff of smack. It's like all the problems of heroin, and none of the fun. I guess not *all* of the problems, but certainly no happy detox, like first presumed. I'm strung on subs now, which is kind of a chickenshit, mickeymouse thing to be strung on, kind of like being strung out on Ultram or Talwin...embarrassing, really. Nothing I want to brag about down on the corner...way down on the list of jailhouse cool...

I love how you use mickey mouse DF, Bukowski hated mickey mouse, and how a 3 fingered always happy mouse was America's hero....I assume this is why you use mickey mouse as a negative adjective in your posts...Am i correct? if so, please give me points for figuring it out! (I am kidding about "give me points" by the way, I have a decent amount for a noob actually lol)

But, back on topic, my done w/ds are seemingly neverending...I was on a 75mg dose and tapered down over a few months, those monhts were not bad at all....But as soon as that second day of not going to the clinic hit, it was hell all over again...
_Skrill

[AWOL]

WD's never really end. It's a lie.

[Duckfeet]

I love how you use mickey mouse DF, Bukowski hated mickey mouse, and how a 3 fingered always happy mouse was America's hero....I assume this is why you use mickey mouse as a negative adjective in your posts...Am i correct? if so, please give me points for figuring it out! (I am kidding about "give me points" by the way, I have a decent amount for a noob actually lol)

But, back on topic, my done w/ds are seemingly neverending...I was on a 75mg dose and tapered down over a few months, those monhts were not bad at all....But as soon as that second day of not going to the clinic hit, it was hell all over again...
_Skrill

Yeah, mickey mouse is short for all convoluted, too stupid...was military lingo for beurocratic "mickey mouse" bullshit, as opposed to the "real thing" whatever that was. Yeah, m. mouse was constipated castrated mouse anyway, buttfucked by hamsters, I'm told, at an early age. Sad story :-(

Hang in there Skrill w/those withdrawals. You start getting happy moments, the worst is over, it's just mdone lingers on and on sometimes, but I got over it for years, i know u can do it, u start seeing happy moments when u least expect them...best wishes...