MS-Contin

[Paregoric Kid]

not sure if this is the right place, I didn't see a sub-forum for morphine, unless this should be in the morphine chemistry section. I dunno, move it to whichever place this should go.
what is the best way to take 30mg extended release morphine pills. they are the round pink ones that say M on one said and 30 on the other. do these gel? I thought about snorting them. I heard that it is TERRIBLE orally. would it be possilbe to crush and snort or crush and use sublingually? I've read rectal administration is really good for mscontin but I don't think I want to do that unless there is no other option.
please get back to me soon, thanks

[hurtinforcertain]

crush them up

[Paregoric Kid]

yeah
in fact anyone that crushes pills for snorting or injecting or parachuting purposes I recommend you go to walmart. they have several small devices under 5 dollars that you put the pills in and screw down to crush them. it's a pillheads dream. I don't know why headshops don't sell them, they are a great time saver and crush things great.
but also I hear that some mscontin that it will still gel. I don't want to snort them if it's going to turn into jello in my nose.

[Scooter]

The problem is Morphine, Dilaudid and most of thesimilar meds SUCK when taken orally, no matter if they are cut, crushedor wahtever..

I've tried to snort a Dilaudid (prescribed to me) and I must haveahigh tolerance .. A 4mg Dilly did NADA (nothing for the Spanishimpaired)

Oxy is about the best oral pain med. Morphine and Dilaudid are great IV, but that's another story :)

Anyone in LA, CA area, feel free to eme if you're interested in talking...

Scooter

SR90746@netscape.net

[blackdog]

i had a desperado in my presence recently and he had those anti<iv>oxycontins so he licked the outer coating off the pills so's not to jell up and ruin the shot ......what a waste of effort so much cellulose/filler type of crud left in cooker.
please don't waste my:( time.:jerkoff:

[Scooter]

Yeah, IVing an Oxy is a goopy waste ! :(

It's kinda like IVing a teaspoon of OATMEAL !

I'm sure that they intentionally mfg. the pills that way sosomeonewhohas no idea of the actual strength of the stuff can't slam80mgs. ofOxycodone. I read about this exact situation happening inFlorida.

A dumb kid who had no idea of how strong the stuff was....Dead.

[Paregoric Kid]

I think anywhere between 8-24mg dilaudid insufflated is great
what about a way to smoke mscontin?

[Nuke]

Extracting the pills isnt that difficult you can get all the supplies at your local hardware store the investment is very minimal especially seeing as all the money you'll save from all the waste that you lose from trying to shoot up the pills with just water.

Heres a step by step easy as shit way.

Supplies:
-Mineral spirits or varsol
-Toluene or Chloroform
-Concentrated Ammonia or some other base
-Muriatic Acid or some other acid
-Pyrex bowl
-Porcelain bowl
-Glasses
-Graduated measuring cup
-Paper coffee filters
-hydrion pH papers
-Heat source <outside with one of those camping stoves with an electric element would be the best, But if you must do it indoors and use your oven you better turn on the over head fan and pull a stool up next to your stove and be ready with the lid to the bowl just incase it flashes.

All of this stuff can be bought at hardware and gardening stores
but if you can't manage to find Toluene because youre from the
USA buy it from www.elementalscientific.net. Muriatic would be
the best but if you cant get it other stuff like citric or acetic will
work too. The preferred base would be concentrated Ammonia but
if you cant get that household ammonia will work, Caustic lime or
soda or potash will also work.

1- Remove the pill coating from your 20 pills with a piece of tissue paper dampened with acetone, if you dont have acetone laying around your crib just use water.

2-Crush up your 20 pills with shells removed and then place the powder in the pyrex casserole bowl. Make up a 50 mL solution of distilled water that is slighly acidic around pH 5 or 6. Add the Acidic Water to the powder and let them soak with no heat.

3-make up a solution (150 mL) of 80% mineral spirits and 20% toluene or the substitutions of the two. Add this solution to the Acidic water and stir vigirously for a few minutes minutes.

4-Turn the stove up to about 50 degrees celcius and leave it for ten minutes now turn it up to 80 degrees celcius and leave it for an additional 10 or fifteen minuites. during this time period stir the solution ever few minutes. Now tilt the bowl up and suck up the entire 50 mL water solution (which is the bottom layer) and even 10 ml of the Nonpolar layer. Squirt out the Water layer into a clean pocelain bowl that can be heated on the stove, make sure you dont get any of the non polar into it.

5-add an additional 50 mL of acidic water to the pyrex bowl and do exactly the same thing as you did with the previous 50 mL. Youre done with the non polar so you can put it away. Once you have the 100 mL of the morphine/water solution in the porcelain bowl put it on the stove and heat to 90 degrees celcius for 5 minutes. Now while its still piping hot pour it into a clean glass and funnel cup with cotton stuffed in the spout of the funnel. Pour in an extra 5 ml through the funnel to get an morphine thats trapped.

6- Add Ammonia to the solution drop by drop until you hit a pH of 9.1. One you hit the 9.1 put the bowl in the freezer for 15 minutes stir it up then put it in the refridgerator for another 15 minutes. now pour the stuff into a funnel with 3 coffe filters in it, make sure to wet the filters with cold water before you pour in the mix. Once you its filtered you will get morphine base, if you wanna inject it as it is just mix it with some vinegar or dry it out and cook it with Acetic anhydride. So theres a walkthrough step by step, its not so bad, plus its better than wasting dope by trying to make it injectable with just water. Once you have this base cooking up heroin is even easier than this extraction. BTW this extraction on average yields about 95 percent of the total morphine from the pills.

[Frosty]

When i had those,I would slightly moisten some tissue with saliva and rub the pill in the tissue till the colour coating came off. Then when all nice and white, i would crush it slightly ,put it in my spoon, cook it up and shoot it! I snorted a few times but it wasnt as effective.Same procedure just more crushing and no spoon etc.

[darkangel]

dilaudid is the only pill that i know of that is so easy to shoot as long as they are name brand.also in my opinon they are the best rush that you can get from the drug store. just take a 4mg pill crush it in paper, funnel in the syringe put the plunger back in pull up 20 to 25 on a 1cc shake and shoot, make sure the water is very hot and the pill is good and disolved. if the pill is generic dont buy it, but if you do do not dump it and shoot it like a name brand it must be filtered through cotton in a spoon and they are slightly bigger so it takes a little more water. i suggest getting treatment either methadone or suboxene or whatever but if you must shoot pills, dilaudids are the easiest pills to shoot. but they really suck when they run out thats why ive been on methadone for 3 years.

[peacefulwarrior]

Quick question: What's a good dosage for someone with moderate tolerance for morphine IR (instant release)? Can these things be worth it if taken orally and at what dosages?

thanks all

[Perspect]

The morphine hcl ir are my faves, the company Bioglan delivers them in 10 mg to us without recipe, to buy in the backyard pharmacies. I think you should go for 60 mg orally, crush them up beforehand and parachute. But moderate tolerance could be just about anything, I did 40-60 mg splitted in half orally and half rectally when I had almost no tolerance. And with Dolcontin (I think they're comparable to MS-Contin, no?) I usually did between 100-150 mg, or about 40 mg i.v.

[peacefulwarrior]

That actually really helps Perspect. Would you compare about 60mg morph ir to 20mg oxycont crushed up and taken orally?

[Perspect]

Sorry, but if you take a look at my profile it shares the sad truth that I've never came across oxycodone, they are very hard to get over here, but recently the market seem to have expanded fortunately. Now it's only Oxynorm (ir) that's impossible to find.
We don't even have hydrocodone any longer, had Hydrokon in the 70'ties... But hey, we got a lot of ketobemidon, so I don't mind that much :)
From what I've heard it could be more compared to oxy nasally in such amounts.

[the armed forces]

MS-Contin is pretty worthless. It seems almost as if you can't break the time-release despite your efforts. Almost a waste of time. Never mind that fact that IVing them is going to give you some trouble in the long run, so it's best to get IR whenever possible.

[arielcream]

Better MS-Contin® Injecting
I have used morphine (MS-Contin®) in the past and find the other method useless compared to the cold method which I explain bellow.

Clean wax off pill. Masking tape or brown packing tape is excellent for pealing the colour off.
In a large spoon (a soup ladle is best) crush the pills with the back of a teaspoon until it is a fine powder, like chalk.
Add one ml of cold water per tablet and mix it into a paste.
Measure an amount of water equal to 2 ml per tablet. Add this water to this past and mix to a milky looking liquid.

There should now be 3 ml of water for each pill that is being prepared.
Let the solution stand for at least 5 minutes so that morphine has time to disolve; the longer it is left, the stronger it is.
Put a large cotton "bud" into the solution in the spoon allow this to soak up solution.
Draw the solution into the syringe through the cotton bud. You may need to move the tip around the cotton bud to get it all, but you should be able to suck up 90% of what you put in originally
Do a of wash: squirt a couple of mills of water around sides of spoon to get any residue missed and suck up as before.
Repeat the wash process at least twice.
Test: There is none left in the spoon when the filter is flavorless. Morphine tastes bitter, so you will know when you have it all

[floger]

Don't ya filter this solution???

So its the heat that causes goo/paste

[floger]

So like a nut case, 2 30mgers were wiped clean and dropped into 3ml sterile water. Several hours later it had morphed into lumpy gravy.

Ha wonder how this will get used?:cool:

[miosis]

So its the heat that causes goo/paste

exactly if a pill gels up, you need to "cold shake" it.

[floger]

did shake it, several times.

Now it has been 24 hours and its still lumpy gravy

[miosis]

did shake it, several times.

Now it has been 24 hours and its still lumpy gravy

did you heat it at all?

[floger]

Nope no heat. I just put 3ml sterile water in a 10ml vial. Let it set overnight. It was a bloated pill. Did a shake. Today I tried to pull up some of the more liquid goo.

added more water but don't hold out much for this 2 pills. Might have to swallow and waste it orally