Where do most IV'ers get ther rigs?

[limitless_euphoria]

Ok, I'm in the state of CT. I'm not saying I'm planning on banging anything but out of curiosity... what's the deal? I know in Mass you can just walk into a pharmacy and buy syringes. Do people use excuses? I figure I'd post this under harm-reduction because it's better to know where to get sanitary products than finding a used one or re-using old ones. Thoughts, knowledge, insight?

[nick]

Thoughts,knowledge and insight.....you don't want much,do you?

Try.
1.works exchange.
2.On line.
3.Depending on where you are,over the counter.


and why does someone who doesn't want to shoot up want to know this?

[ein0606]

south carolina you can just buy them no questions asked, in georgia though they questioned me about "diabetes"

[zenpunk]

Don't even get curious about it man...its a really bad road.

[aj11]

from the gutter or in the road:p

[underide]

^^shit man, thats not funny! i have actually done so once.
Thankfully no HIV or HEP C/B.
I did get chicken pox about a week afterwards and thankfully thats all i got

I know you're just joking though. i like being a bit of a smart ass myself sometimes

[Duckfeet]

It used to be *really* hard. And everybody I knew used--and shared--old rigs. And that's why many of used eyedroppers with a needle, and other gigs no longer around...but first AIDs and the HepC, and the activism of some--not many, sadly--in the harm reduction field, because it has been proved with all kinds of evidence, that allowing addicts clean needles lowers the risk of catching illnesses, in ways even no-brain idiots can see...but a junky wants to get well, and will use whatever is around....

Every state, however, is still different. South Dakota, in Sioux Falls, you could just buy them over the counter in drug stores. Liberal Southern California, has *some* needle exchanges, but drugstores still act like dickheads if you try to one there, without a doctor's permission. So me, I go to the needle exchange, and anytime you can, we need to thank the people who *are* active in this area, or a lot more of would have met the fate, my cousin Scotty did--and his wife--which was to die, way to young, out in Florida, of AIDs...

[nick]

The good/bad news is works exchange will probably go federal.

Of course how good this is depends on how it's done.

[limitless_euphoria]

Thoughts,knowledge and insight.....you don't want much,do you?

Try.
1.works exchange.
2.On line.
3.Depending on where you are,over the counter.


and why does someone who doesn't want to shoot up want to know this?

Actually, I've always just wondered. Actually I used a lot by myself and never learned much from other dopers back when I was into that all day and all night. Reason being: I had the most money, so everybody tried to scam shit off me. It just never occurred to me where an IV'er would score the goods, really. I personally am afraid of needles but maybe like when there was a port in me in the hospital I'd do it. Even after having my appendix out and getting 3mg of dilly I *know* that once I popped my cherry with the rig there go my friends, my family, my life. I'm a fucked up enough dude anyway. But I can see why you would ask me that, hell I'd ask me that too! :)

[Narkotikon]

1. Buy online from diabetes testing supply sites. You can usually buy them in bulk and they have larger selections than drugs stores.

2. Drug stores depending on where you live.

3. Needly exchanges.

4. Hospitals if you're a healthcare worker.

[pharmboy]

I have a B12 deficiency, I NEED them.:jumping-s

[Dirtyrockstar]

all our rigs, barrels, tips, filters swabs vaccinations blood screens and user related publications and paraphenalia are freely available from WASUA - West Australian Substance Users Assoc.

is this type of thing set up in other countries? or should i think myself lucky

[is_today_monday]

all our rigs, barrels, tips, filters swabs vaccinations blood screens and user related publications and paraphenalia are freely available from WASUA - West Australian Substance Users Assoc.

is this type of thing set up in other countries? or should i think myself lucky

Ditto, for the Eastern side of Oz - we can pick up all our equipment (all those mentioned above) from any needle exchange or sexual/community health clinic, plus sharps kits containing 5 rigs, an amp of saline, filters and swabs from most pharmacies. Where I live, prices from pharmacies vary, the needle exchange at the sexual/community health clinic for free during the day, and there's also a vending machine outside where you can buy kits after hours for $2 for a five pack.

Australia is so lucky in that we have access to clean gear, testing, treatment, etc.

[limitless_euphoria]

from the gutter or in the road:p

C'mon now, is my name jayemp420? Do I really deserve that? Hehe. Nah, I can take it as well as dish it so. :)

I'm not after any rigs I've just wondered where all these people who like to bang are able to have ready access to needles on a daily basis. People have basically expalined the different means and tricks. So I guess someday if I really wanna throw my life away (because that's what would happen) I'll know where to go. Right now I can get legit Rx'ed from a doctor so I'll just go with what's legal and what the insurance will cover.

P.S. I still laugh my ball sack off when that dude jayemp started that "I need quick cash" thread after he supposedly QUIT for 7 days and was proud of it and you guys told him to "sell his computer." Brilliant, absolutely brilliant! Now he be an Opio-No-Mo' :) Maybe the tool actually took our advice.

[Somanax]

from the gutter or in the road:p


I buy mine from jayemp420

because he quit :D

[ein0606]

[quote=is_today_monday;180237] and there's also a vending machine outside where you can buy kits after hours for $2 for a five pack.
quote]


now that is fucking awesome, america needs to geton point.

[Duckfeet]

Every place is different: in South Dakota I could buy them over the counter at Rite Aid, in So Cal, we *have* to go to needle exchanges, the van comes around twice a week, other places, we buy them from other junkies, and of course, take all kinds of insane chances, since just about serious addict will trade in the possibility of horrible illness *tomorrow* on a fix today, so we use old rigs coming from questionable sources...

[is_today_monday]

[quote=is_today_monday;180237] and there's also a vending machine outside where you can buy kits after hours for $2 for a five pack.
quote]


now that is fucking awesome, america needs to geton point.


You have no idea how much of a lifesaver that's been, when you have no rigs at 2am, and nowhere open to get any until the next morning. Even the poorest junkie could scrape together $2 (about $1.80US) for some clean works.

All the bullshit about needle exchanges leading to more people becoming IV users is bullshit. If someone wants to inject, they'll do it whether clean works are available or not. It just means that we can use clean ones.

Clean rigs = lower incidences of Hep C.

I can't understand why America wouldn't get on board with this. Hell, in Sydney, we have a legal safe injecting room (or shooting gallery as the arsehole drug propaganda fuckwits like to call it, eg, dumb politicians and newspapers/journalists).

[Duckfeet]

Because they worry--and I hope--that just like everywhere else: needle exchanges and injection rooms are harbingers of heroin maintenance...

Ah, that's not really totally true, that's just me doing wishful thinking. The real reason is they just could care less about a bunch of junkies dying, really...a lot of these idiots were bummed out when AIDs quit being a guaranteed death sentence here for junkies...

Hyper-religious people in our country are too often involved in politics, and generally they have a calvinist fundamentalist view of human conduct, and see drugs, as a "sin," and the diseases the hands of a wrathful god punishing us for unrightous behavior...if not, they wouldn't give a fuck, would have legalized this crap a long time ago.


[quote=ein0606;180262]


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I can't understand why America wouldn't get on board with this. Hell, in Sydney, we have a legal safe injecting room (or shooting gallery as the arsehole drug propaganda fuckwits like to call it, eg, dumb politicians and newspapers/journalists).

[Dirtyrockstar]

is it true that over east you guys get methadone biscuits?

[LorTabitha]

I had a diabetic cat for over 10 years. (She actually was with me for 17 years, but was diabetic for the last 10...)

I just went to my regular grocery store pharmacy and bought them by the case when the veterinary supply place quit carrying them. The pharmacist might look at you funny once or twice, but they get used to you. I did have one place refuse to sell the needles without the insulin and WalMart wouldn't sell them at all, but other than that, it was incredibly easy.

LorTabitha

[is_today_monday]

is it true that over east you guys get methadone biscuits?


At the methadone clinics? No, orange liquid. For takeaways, they put your 'done in a bottle than add orange cordial to further fuck it up for potential injection. I know of one guy in my city who gets the biscuits, but he's not on methadone for maintenance treatment, he gets it from his doctor for chronic pain management.

What do you guys get over there in the west?

[is_today_monday]

Mmm, I do understand what you're saying, Duckfeet. Over here, our Prime Minister is a total arse, and would rather not have needle exchanges and safe injecting rooms, as would the family and religious groups we have in abundance who hate those 'god hating, filthy junkies'. I guess they all just turn a blind eye to it, and ignore the facts as much as they can. Basically, they all just live in a state of denial.

I just find it incredulous that America doesn't embrace this, given the evidence that needle exchanges don't cause more people to begin injecting, or turn more people to drugs, but that they lower the rates of blood-borne infections and diseases.

The government, while hating the idea, realises that they save a hell of a lot more money by providing these services, rather than letting HIV and Hepatitis B and C run rampant, costing even more money in treatment (since we have a free healthcare system). They can't afford to make access to clean words illegal.


[quote=Duckfeet;180467]Because they worry--and I hope--that just like everywhere else: needle exchanges and injection rooms are harbingers of heroin maintenance...

Ah, that's not really totally true, that's just me doing wishful thinking. The real reason is they just could care less about a bunch of junkies dying, really...a lot of these idiots were bummed out when AIDs quit being a guaranteed death sentence here for junkies...

Hyper-religious people in our country are too often involved in politics, and generally they have a calvinist fundamentalist view of human conduct, and see drugs, as a "sin," and the diseases the hands of a wrathful god punishing us for unrightous behavior...if not, they wouldn't give a fuck, would have legalized this crap a long time ago.

[Dirtyrockstar]

we get liquid 'done or viceptone (spelling) no biccies

notes on the sydney safe injection centre

"Over 5 years, almost 9000 individuals have been reminded by staff to wash their hands before and after injecting"



"almost a third of a million injecting episodes between 9.30am and 9.30pm most days"
"heroin availability has declined dramatically since January this year and just as common now are prescribed pain killers morphine/oxycodone (31%). These have shown to produce a far lower overdose rate (less than half that of street heroin). Also, for the first time in 20 years, brown heroin (38%) from Afghanistan has appeared on the Sydney market. 'Crystal meth' or 'ice' is still popular (6%) and cocaine is used by 21% of attendees"


"On average about 200 visits occur each day and some days there are more than 300 injecting episodes in the centre"



"There were 87 overdoses recorded on average per quarter ranging from 47 to 175, possibly reflecting the variable strength/cost of street drugs over the years. Thus every one of the 1747 overdoses observed was a potential death statistic yet nobody died. We will never know the proportion who would have died without treatment"



"out of 300,000 injections we would certainly expect some deaths and considering these include some of the most high risk drug users, dozens of deaths might be predicted. Yet none occurred"





"longitudinal studies on the natural history of opioid use show that of the 9000 people who have used these facilities, a high proportion are opioid dependent. Of these, after 7 years, approximately one third are likely to be drug free. Up to 50% could be expected to be on some form of maintenance treatment, 5-10% are likely to be dead with a similar proportion incarcerated"


there should be one in every city.

[is_today_monday]

Thanks for posting that, Dirtyrockstar. Yes, there should definitely be one in every city, and not just the capitals either. Any large city, maybe with a threshold over a certain number of people. I know where I live, it wouldn't hurt to have one, as the largest inland city in Australia. It possibly won't be happening anytime soon though, especially while we have good ol' Johnny Rotten running this country. With the upcoming election though, we may get lucky.

(along with better adoption services, gay marriage, and a whole plethora of 'over-lookings' or ignorance by our charming prime-minister.

Good find though! :)


we get liquid 'done or viceptone (spelling) no biccies

notes on the sydney safe injection centre

"Over 5 years, almost 9000 individuals have been reminded by staff to wash their hands before and after injecting"



"almost a third of a million injecting episodes between 9.30am and 9.30pm most days"
"heroin availability has declined dramatically since January this year and just as common now are prescribed pain killers morphine/oxycodone (31%). These have shown to produce a far lower overdose rate (less than half that of street heroin). Also, for the first time in 20 years, brown heroin (38%) from Afghanistan has appeared on the Sydney market. 'Crystal meth' or 'ice' is still popular (6%) and cocaine is used by 21% of attendees"


"On average about 200 visits occur each day and some days there are more than 300 injecting episodes in the centre"



"There were 87 overdoses recorded on average per quarter ranging from 47 to 175, possibly reflecting the variable strength/cost of street drugs over the years. Thus every one of the 1747 overdoses observed was a potential death statistic yet nobody died. We will never know the proportion who would have died without treatment"



"out of 300,000 injections we would certainly expect some deaths and considering these include some of the most high risk drug users, dozens of deaths might be predicted. Yet none occurred"





"longitudinal studies on the natural history of opioid use show that of the 9000 people who have used these facilities, a high proportion are opioid dependent. Of these, after 7 years, approximately one third are likely to be drug free. Up to 50% could be expected to be on some form of maintenance treatment, 5-10% are likely to be dead with a similar proportion incarcerated"


there should be one in every city.

[Dirtyrockstar]

ur welcome.

Kevin-Oh-Seven! woo!

hahaha!

my vote goes to the c*nt who sends the cops a memo that weed was decriminalised, how can you truly POSSESS 0.1 grams of anything?? stupid fucks

lets hope that whoever takes charge they dont shut a centre thats saved nearly 2,000 people from overdose.

[tui]

Because they worry--and I hope--that just like everywhere else: needle exchanges and injection rooms are harbingers of heroin maintenance...

Ah, that's not really totally true, that's just me doing wishful thinking. The real reason is they just could care less about a bunch of junkies dying, really...a lot of these idiots were bummed out when AIDs quit being a guaranteed death sentence here for junkies...

Hyper-religious people in our country are too often involved in politics, and generally they have a calvinist fundamentalist view of human conduct, and see drugs, as a "sin," and the diseases the hands of a wrathful god punishing us for unrightous behavior...if not, they wouldn't give a fuck, would have legalized this crap a long time ago.





In NZ we have vending machines outside exchanges too, so that clean fits are available 24/7.
A few years ago, Christian "do-gooders" went through phases of attacking them with axes.
Which says something.

t

[is_today_monday]

[quote=Duckfeet;180467]Because they worry--and I hope--that just like everywhere else: needle exchanges and injection rooms are harbingers of heroin maintenance...

Ah, that's not really totally true, that's just me doing wishful thinking. The real reason is they just could care less about a bunch of junkies dying, really...a lot of these idiots were bummed out when AIDs quit being a guaranteed death sentence here for junkies...

Hyper-religious people in our country are too often involved in politics, and generally they have a calvinist fundamentalist view of human conduct, and see drugs, as a "sin," and the diseases the hands of a wrathful god punishing us for unrightous behavior...if not, they wouldn't give a fuck, would have legalized this crap a long time ago.





In NZ we have vending machines outside exchanges too, so that clean fits are available 24/7.
A few years ago, Christian "do-gooders" went through phases of attacking them with axes.
Which says something.

t


We've had people (people = councilors, church groups, etc) try to get our vending machines closed down. They say that people are leaving sharps bins wherever they shoot up and then leave, rather than taking them back to dispose of at the exchange. While I don't agree that it's good practice, they should be grateful that the fucking sharps are IN THE BINS, rather than lying in the grass, or in school playgrounds, caps off, full of dirty shit... I hope that makes any sense? It's morning, I've only been up for 20 minutes and most of that was dosing at the clinic.


Dirtyrockstar, hopefully the Labour government won't shut it down, and in fact will build more of these centres. Who can argue with the statistics which prove that more lives are saved than lost with the inclusion of safe injecting rooms within our society. If Howard wins again, it's not going to happen. If Rudd wins, there is a very likely chance that he won't remove it, and that there may be more set up, who knows; at least we have a higher probability of keeping the one we already have.

Can you imagine if Family First won, Dirtyrockstar? (other Aussies will understand this - to everyone else, John Howard and Kevin Rudd are fighting for the role of Prime Minister in November. The Family First party is self explanatory - full of fundamentalist christians who would like to see junkies, and anything services and centres related to them, burnt at a stake). If they win, which they won't, because they never do, we'll all be fucked. Really.

Tui, it really doesn't surprise me that people were attacking your vending machines with axes. I think they would here, but they're too scared of those 'filthy, violent, reckless junkies' to do something so aggressive. Instead, they take the passive-aggressive approach, which pisses everyone off even more.

I do apologise for such a long rant. Like I said, I just woke up, and wanted to throw a few thoughts to the posts which were written last night while I was off in a lovely nod.

Damn, maybe they should come and axe me too! :cool:

[Black_Pony]

I used to shop at the Friendly Longs until I moved. Now i cop outfits off the street. The cop spot in the city is teeming with epople who go to the exchange, get free rigs, and then sell them to people like me who work during the week and cant make it inot the exchange.

I dont know how smart it is to buy spikes from a guy on a street corner, but in the words of Duckfeet, a junky will use whatever hes got.

[Dirtyrockstar]

thread derailed...noone cares.

if family first won (*pfffft* ahahahaha!!!! asif!!) i would move to south africa or israel which would suddenly seem like a nutty left wing paradise! seriously they're not even a real religious group are they? Assemblies of God? wtf is that? they dont even vote as a party on policy, its all decided by the presiding board of directors, all of whom are conservative ultra right white supremacists. with policies like "no abortions for anyone, even rape victims just suck it up jesus wants you to birth your anathema spawn" they leave the liberals in the shade.

my favourite jab at family first tho, they are against harm reduction as a drug policy. yes ill repeat that Family first OPPOSE harm reduction as a drug strategy preferring the time honoured methods of zero tolerance, avoidance and rehab/prison.


the big money is on rudd who hopefully should have the good sense not to destroy something inherently valuable, and as you say may even have the grapes to set up another one. heres hoping.

[SurfRat]

Damn, maybe they should come and axe me too! :cool:


Hell no.





SWIM has ordered louer lock type online, boxes of 100. In SD needle exchange will roll up to your door or meet you at a location, no problem.

[is_today_monday]

That's pretty cool - do you have a big variety to choose form, or just standard barrels, tips and insulin syringes? Ours gives away everything, I think you can get tourniquets too if you really want to. The only thing we have to pay for are wheel filters, but hell, for $1.50AU each, that's not a huge ask.

Dirtyrockstar; Family First are a bunch of fuckwits who think that anything and anyone who isn't godly and righteous has a right to die - how dare those junkies have access to clean rigs when god only knows they'll get infected with AIDS, Hepatitis, pregnant with 4 babies just for the baby bonus to buy more drugs, take Centrelink away, because FUCK! Those junkies spend their welfare money on heroin. Who the fuck cares?! If they want to, and I sure as hell have, many, many times, then so be it. At least with maintenance programmes, clean works, etc, us lowly filth of society might actually have a chance of recovery, if we so wish to do so. If people do get clean, why should they have the evidence of their past hanging over their heads because they weren't allowed access to protection from blood-borne diseases and information. Heck, there's a programme here in QLD which will PAY YOU to do a 1 day a week, for four weeks, course on clean and safe injecting technique; they are hoping that the guys doing the course will pass this information along. Peer-based learning.

How dare we have a right to do what we wish, or have to do, SAFELY.

No offense at all was intended to anyone in the Opiophile. or indeed, the using community.

I do, however, aim all offense at those who cannot get off their highhorse and accept that we are humans too, with a right to live as cleanly and healthily as we wish!

</rant> :p

Hell no.





SWIM has ordered louer lock type online, boxes of 100. In SD needle exchange will roll up to your door or meet you at a location, no problem.

[Dirtyrockstar]

get down I.T.M. testify!!

[is_today_monday]

Thanks, dude - it just pisses me off that, not only are people fighting to take our right to do/use whatever we wish, but they are fighting to take away any safety we have in doing such things.

ROOOOOOOOOOAR!

Makes me so angry.

At least you know what I'm talking about (no offense to those of other countries here - You have George Bush to contend with, we have those freaks, Family First Party.

get down I.T.M. testify!!

[JonnyMohawk]

At least you know what I'm talking about (no offense to those of other countries here - You have George Bush to contend with, we have those freaks, Family First Party.


Haha couldn't have made it more understandable =]

[is_today_monday]

It's a universal language =D

Haha couldn't have made it more understandable =]

[Dirtyrockstar]

cept here in australia bush bashing is something else entirely.

[Frank Zito]

Some pharmacy off 8 mile in "The D" when I used to take the trip. I think it was a CVS. Now I just hit up a couple of diabetics I know.

[is_today_monday]

cept here in australia bush bashing is something else entirely.


HAHAHA! That is so true!

P.S - I sent you a PM - just letting you know in case you didn't notice (I usually don't).

[SHELLEY]

from the gutter or in the road:p

i've done that over n over

[Frank Zito]

i've done that over n over

I've gone back to places I knew I threw them out...