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duke_nemmerle
12-21-2005, 12:42 AM
Scientific American

http://scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa003&articleID=0005289E-3515-13A7-AE2F83414B7F0000

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Morphine and other opioids work wonders for pain. Unfortunately, their effectiveness declines over time while their addictiveness grows, meaning patients need the drug even as it affords them less and less relief. But new research into the cellular workings of opioids offers a promising new pathway to improved pain relief--without the addiction--by triggering one receptor and blocking another. Medicinal chemist Philip Portoghese of the University of Minnesota and his colleagues began by studying two of the four major opioid receptors in the cells of the central nervous system. Each bears the name of a Greek letter and the chemists focused on the Mu and Delta receptors. Previous research had shown that drugs that linked up with Mu receptors lasted longer with less addiction when combined with drugs that blocked Delta receptors. But it was not known whether the two channels worked separately or in concert to improve the overall effect.
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http://scientificamerican.com/media/struct/trans.gif So Portoghese and his colleagues built a drug that triggered the Mu receptor while blocking the Delta receptor--dubbed MDAN, for Mu Delta agonist antagonist. They administered various versions of the drug to mice and then tested their sensitivity to pain by focusing a hot light on their tails and recording the time it took the animals to move them. The MDAN drug proved roughly 50 times more effective than morphine in blocking pain, the researchers report in this week's online edition of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. But MDAN still paled in comparison to drugs designed purely to stimulate the Mu receptor, which exhibit more than 100 times the pain blocking potential of morphine. The MDAN drugs had another benefit, however: the mice did not develop any dependence. Mice given morphine and then abruptly cleared of it showed severe agitation, jumping roughly 100 times in a 10 minute span, and mice given just the Mu agonist showed similar agitation, jumping between 83 and 29 times over the same span, depending on the formulation. The mice given MDAN showed hardly any agitation at all, averaging less than one jump. The mice also failed to develop any tolerance for MDAN--that is, the drug worked just as well at the beginning of the experiment in alleviating pain as it did at the end. "It's been a perennial problem with morphine that upon chronic administration you get a tolerance, you're going to have to raise the dose to get the same effect over time," Portoghese says. "When you're occupying the Mu receptor with an agonist and the Delta receptor with an antagonist, that doesn't happen."
"The Mu Delta receptor dimer is the signaling unit that gives rise to tolerance and physical dependence," Portoghese notes. Perhaps MDAN can provide help for pain and insights into addiction at the same time. What a relief that would be. --David Biello

duke_nemmerle
12-21-2005, 12:44 AM
50 times stronger than morphine, mu agonist delta antagonist, wonder if this'll get ya high? OMFG no tolerance little dependence, can this be true?

Paregoric Kid
12-21-2005, 04:53 AM
if it's an mu agonist then yes it would get you high

blackdog
12-21-2005, 09:50 AM
are MU talkin ta me??lol

SomniGod
12-21-2005, 02:03 PM
wonder if they need a guinea pig?

~S~

jacky
12-22-2005, 01:32 PM
there is a spot in the brain where morphine chronically administered for days causes no withdrawl symptoms.
this subject is discussed in James H Austins book Zen and the brain.
the spot is the ventral tegmental area in the limbic system. here the opioid receptors tend to also bind to the dopamine receptors, and thus morphine stimulation may give rise to "paradoxical stimulation" due to cross stimulation of the dopamine receptors, which releases more dopamine.
this mu delta drug sounds even more exciting than trying to specifically stimulate the ventral tegmental area.
I wonder if a type of cross stimulation works the other way in this area, meaning that dopamine stimulation may release opiates. if so then maybe corydalis and some other dopamine active plants exert a positive effect on opiate withdrawl? it seems possible that dopamine agonists/antagonists could exert infuence on these fused OPIOIDOPAMINE receptors.

I wonder what the feds take is going to be on this drug? perhaps its the last thing most drug companies want on the market?

blackdog
12-22-2005, 01:54 PM
hell jacky theres so much we don't know and it just keeps coming at no surprise to me all the discoveries about the human bodie and such also the search within the deep ocean and the deep jungles.......what the fcuk am i talkin bout.......anyway yeah whats that shitabout miniture surgery robots and such where they would inject you with a shot of tiny machines that would travel to where there needed and fix whats broken....oh yeah nano science just a random thought or two from da/dawg:cool:

paesan
12-22-2005, 02:06 PM
Yep nanoscience is incredible. Nanobots are the tiny machines that they think they could inject you with that would take care of what ails ya. Also Nano carbons they believe could be the most durable material ever created. They were talking about actually making a Space elevator constructed of nanocarbons....look it up, it's extremely interesting.

duke_nemmerle
12-22-2005, 09:36 PM
Yep nanoscience is incredible. Nanobots are the tiny machines that they think they could inject you with that would take care of what ails ya. Also Nano carbons they believe could be the most durable material ever created. They were talking about actually making a Space elevator constructed of nanocarbons....look it up, it's extremely interesting.

I've read tons on the subject, if ya ever wanna talk about it, hit me up

exitwound
12-22-2005, 10:05 PM
I have a huge interest in these subjects as well. We should all have a chat sometime! I'm sure it would be fascinating... =D