Question on IV'ing

[2HI2C]

I've been using opiates for a while and started to shoot about 5 months ago. This is a question on location...

I received EXCELLENT info from my friends here at opiophile at the beginning, and started with the vein on the inside of my arm. After about 2 months I developed such sores on my arms that, although I could hit the vein, it became too painful to use those sites.

After locating an anatomy chart of veins, I located the ones on the inside of my arms, just near the wrists, which lead into the inside elbows. After a while these too became sore, and I moved upwards again to my elbows.

After being moved over to Methadone for a while, I stopped shooting, so I had a chance to let things heal. Now that I've been put on MS Contin, I've been shooting them (again).

I can't hit the area inside my elbows, so I went for the wrists, and BAM, no problem. Well, on the Right anyway.

So, here's my question...how often do you change locations? I find that it's just too easy to hit the vein on my Right wrist, that I haven't tried other sites. As such, I have another sore developing, BUT I can still, almost automatically, hit the vein. (almost like the rig self-registers!)

It's not that I'm lazy, it's just that it's so easy to hit...

Do you rotate? How often? Do you stick with a spot until it vanishes, or becomes too sore? I tried my feet, as there are HUGE veins, and I can hit them, but I've been warned that it's pretty dangerous to do that...

Anyway, just some practical help would be great

2H

[Synack]

I've been using opiates for a while and started to shoot about 5 months ago. This is a question on location...

I received EXCELLENT info from my friends here at opiophile at the beginning, and started with the vein on the inside of my arm. After about 2 months I developed such sores on my arms that, although I could hit the vein, it became too painful to use those sites.

After locating an anatomy chart of veins, I located the ones on the inside of my arms, just near the wrists, which lead into the inside elbows. After a while these too became sore, and I moved upwards again to my elbows.

After being moved over to Methadone for a while, I stopped shooting, so I had a chance to let things heal. Now that I've been put on MS Contin, I've been shooting them (again).

I can't hit the area inside my elbows, so I went for the wrists, and BAM, no problem. Well, on the Right anyway.

So, here's my question...how often do you change locations? I find that it's just too easy to hit the vein on my Right wrist, that I haven't tried other sites. As such, I have another sore developing, BUT I can still, almost automatically, hit the vein. (almost like the rig self-registers!)

It's not that I'm lazy, it's just that it's so easy to hit...

Do you rotate? How often? Do you stick with a spot until it vanishes, or becomes too sore? I tried my feet, as there are HUGE veins, and I can hit them, but I've been warned that it's pretty dangerous to do that...

Anyway, just some practical help would be great

2H


Rotate: Yes
How often: every few vein punctures

Veins in your foot roll very easily, and a miss there has an increased risk of abscess (my guess is due to less circulation of blood flow)

Personally, if I was going to make a habit of IV'ing, I'd try to pick up a few IV catheters - my guess is if you took care of the wound, and didn't run lots of coke through it - you could probably keep it open for a day or two (my longest time is about 3 1/2 days) - thus cutting down on punctures, and you can tape it to your arm/leg/etc when done so it didn't get pulled out.

My .02 cents..

-Syn

[chemboy7]

Yeah man, you want to rotate your injection sites like every 1 or 2 shots if you want to save vein time (not to mention cut down or eliminate track marks). Really if you just started slamming about 5 months ago and are already having problems with not being able to hit certain spots and having to find new ones your probably doing something wrong; can't say what it is but not rotating sites seems plausible.

And Syn is right about the rolling feet veins and the increased risk of abscess, the hands aren't much better either. You can hit a roller by coming into it from the side though and so long as you send everything down the river you have nothing to worry about. The feet are also more prone to infection, most likely from bacteria on the skin being pushed in with the needle; I don't use rubbing alcohol everytime I send one home (although I should) but I always do when hitting my feet (or used to rather, my feet veins are FUBAR'ed... aint been able to hit them in months).d

And I'd watch those IV caths and the like, really the only street drugs I could see them being useful in would be Cocaine and Hydromorphone due to their short half lives. You aren't supposed to have them in for very long due to risk of infection and shit plus it's an open gateway into your bloodstream for as long as you have it in. I know that that's the point but it could also have some very nasty downsides... I certainly wouldn't leave one in f

[2HI2C]

So...here's my routine...(this is only for pharm's; OC's MS, so far)

Using either 1 or 2 30mg MSER's, I typically get 2, 1cc rigs worth of morphine for the initial draw and I shoot those, then I get about 1 1/3cc's from the washout, and shoot those two.

From what you described, you would shoot these 4 shots in a variety of locations?? It seems like that would take too long for me, keeping in mind that I shoot a couple of times at work during the day (in the bathroom), and then a couple of times at home in the evening. (yes, my wife is unaware that I'm shooting again...ugh) I always seem to be in a hurry, and when I find a place that's easy to hit I just default to that location.

So from the 4 tabs I get each day, I'm cooking up to 16 shots (4 for each one, if I do them separately). Do you think that's just too many? Maybe I should use less water and just go with 1cc each? I was afraid to waste the material...

[Black_Pony]

It seems to me that you are using too much water, but I've never used MSERs so that might be the best way for all I know.

Yes, I would rotate every shot. If you have 4 sites for example, and rotate each shot among the 4, you'll be doing a pretty good job. Back when I had alot of sites to choose from, I would never hit the same line twice in a row (especially one hit after another) The more rotating you do, the longer these great veins will last (the one shot one kill veins for bathroom time at work). Trust me, I wish I had rotated even more. All my good ones are gone and if I'm lucky enough to find one, I have to keep hitting it until I have tracks the size of the continental rail road.

Also, if you untie before pushing in the plunger, it supposedly protects your veins moreso than shooting tied off.

[2HI2C]

It seems to me that you are using too much water, but I've never used MSERs so that might be the best way for all I know.

Yes, I would rotate every shot. If you have 4 sites for example, and rotate each shot among the 4, you'll be doing a pretty good job. Back when I had alot of sites to choose from, I would never hit the same line twice in a row (especially one hit after another) The more rotating you do, the longer these great veins will last (the one shot one kill veins for bathroom time at work). Trust me, I wish I had rotated even more. All my good ones are gone and if I'm lucky enough to find one, I have to keep hitting it until I have tracks the size of the continental rail road.

Also, if you untie before pushing in the plunger, it supposedly protects your veins moreso than shooting tied off.

Thanks, man.

I had a fellow opiophile give me their home phone number and told me to call if I was serious about learning how to prepare MSER's for shooting. And I did. They talked me through the process step-by-step. Talk about harm reduction! The one thing we never talked about was the amount of water to use per 30mg tab. I guess I can experiment a little.

The veins near my wrists are so good for me because I NEVER have to tie off, I know exactly where they are and can almost hit them blind folded now. That's why I like using them so much, it just saves a lot of time. I will come up with 2 or 3 other places.

[Black_Pony]

Thats awesome you can do it so easily! Ya, although they say the more diluted your shot is, the better it is for your body/veins (from a harm reduction standpoint). But I think one rigfull is enough liquid. You should try and fit your whole dose into one shot. From a harm reduction standpoint, the fewer times you stick yourself the better. My $0.02

Thanks, man.

I had a fellow opiophile give me their home phone number and told me to call if I was serious about learning how to prepare MSER's for shooting. And I did. They talked me through the process step-by-step. Talk about harm reduction! The one thing we never talked about was the amount of water to use per 30mg tab. I guess I can experiment a little.

The veins near my wrists are so good for me because I NEVER have to tie off, I know exactly where they are and can almost hit them blind folded now. That's why I like using them so much, it just saves a lot of time. I will come up with 2 or 3 other places.

[oxydose]

have you considered a 3cc rig?

[moviebuff927]

And I'd watch those IV caths and the like, really the only street drugs I could see them being useful in would be Cocaine and Hydromorphone due to their short half lives. You aren't supposed to have them in for very long due to risk of infection and shit plus it's an open gateway into your bloodstream for as long as you have it in. I know that that's the point but it could also have some very nasty downsides... I certainly wouldn't leave one in f

Yes, chemboy. I wouldn't use a catheter outside of a hospital setting because just as chemboy said, it's an open door to your bloodstream. Everything your skin keeps outside of you body now has an open gateway to get in. Too risky even if you shoot up a lot.

As for the injection sites, I know they say the arms are safer than your hands, but I've never had big veins on my arms at all. In fact, in the hospital it's always the same routine, they try to find a vein on my right arm, they try to find a vein on my left arm. Then they try the hands and they always succeed. The veins in my hands are huge and incredibly easy to hit. So that's the only place I can easily and safely shoot up.

[2HI2C]

have you considered a 3cc rig?

Actually, I hadn't! But now that you say that, it would make perfect sense, especially since I'm shooting these MSER's. I was planning on going down to the exchange tomorrow morning anyway, and will ask them for a bag of the 3cc's! Man, you wouldn't believe the variety of stuff they have. There's a huge cork board on the wall displaying all their wares. Never seen anything like it!

I stopped in at (insert famous chain drugstore) on Monday and asked for a box of 100 29guage 1cc rigs as I've always done, and as the clerk was walking behind the wall to get it, the pharmacist stops what she's doing and goes with her. The clerk comes back out with only 1 bag of 10 and asks me if I have a prescription for insulin, to which I replied, "no, not at this pharmacy." "Well, I'm only able to sell you 1 bag at a time, then." WTF!! And then it dawned on me...MY WIFE! (okay, bless her heart) must have visited them and told them NOT to sell needles to me. (She has a history of doing that sort of thing. I had a MAJOR drinking problem about 10 years ago, well, I suppose I still have it, I just don't drink as much. She went around to all the neighborhood liquor stores with my picture and told them NOT to sell me booze...That's my wife! Ya gotta love her. :o)

I love the needles I get from that store, but it's time to hit the exchange again!

Thanks for the advice Oxy!

[Lil_Miss_Brownstone]

If someone did want to use a catheter, say, for an all-night coke binge, where would they be able to get one???

[chemboy7]

If someone did want to use a catheter, say, for an all-night coke binge, where would they be able to get one???

Medical supply houses; I'd look online.