Does a doctor's nationality affect their scripts?

[limitless_euphoria]

I decided to post this not because I'm a racist but rather because obviously if more than one person notices the same trend, we may be on to something. I was in the ER a couple of years ago and there was a man there for alcohol detox. The attending doctor was from India and she was nothing short of rude to this man. He was mildly drunk but he was not being out of line and he treated everyone around him with respect. I was told by somebody else there that Indians have a disdain for alcohol and drug abusers. This might explain why Indian doctors do not like to prescribe narcotics and why all bets might be off if one is suspected of being a substance abuser. I have nothing against Indians per se but this trend has been observed by more than one person I know.

Another time when I saw a Korean doc for legitimate back pain I was having in the ER (and he commented that he knew I was in distress) the ONLY thing he was willing to send me home with was some sort of prescription anti-inflammetory. Again, I cannot help but wonder if he had the same prejudices as the Indian doctor that treated the alcohol detox patient like shit.

If any of you are of Indian/Korean origin do NOT take offense to this. I have no problem with anyone of either background. I am simply exploring the idea that doctors of certain backgrounds might be less predisposed to writing narcotic scripts and/or being compassionate about pain than doctors of other origins. Feel free to share your thoughts and if you think I'm wrong you're welcome to state your case.

[GoddessofRATs]

I hate to say this but I've always had problems with Asian doctors, they never want to give me anything. And some of them have actually been rude to me in the ER. One Asian girl resident was my doctor in the ER when i had an eye infection and she didn't believe me when i said it hurt, she was sarcastic to me and rude. Thinking back i should have complained. But, she did send me home with 12 vics but it about killed her to do it lol.

However, years ago i had an Asian dentist and he gave me vicodins all the time but i had a really bad dental issue. He was great about prescribing narcotics. But, mostly when I've had Asian doctors they never want to prescribe narcotics.

I find it easiest (for me) to get meds from older white male doctors and older male black doctors. For some reason they respond to me and give me mostly what i want. It's really strange. And woman doctors, forget it, they are usually pretty mean to me, at least in the ER they are... but in clinics or doctors offices they are not so much. I'd never want a female doctors, specially not a female pain doctor. I'm very happy with my pain doc and he is an older black man and the sweetest doc I've ever met. Oh i take that back, a year and half ago i had afemale pain doc and she was pretty nice, gave me percs and Tramadol. She was a rarity though. Overall i don't like female docs.

As for other races, I'm sure. I've had ever type of doctor under the son and relly haven't had any problems with one race in particular but some are more 'tight' when it comes to narcotic meds.

Please don't take offense to anything i say here, it's not criticisms of any race, just observations. I'm the least racist person you'll meet. but, when it comes to doctors there are slight differences when it comes to race, age and gender.

GOR

[OxyContinuously]

I decided to post this not because I'm a racist but rather because obviously if more than one person notices the same trend, we may be on to something. I was in the ER a couple of years ago and there was a man there for alcohol detox. The attending doctor was from India and she was nothing short of rude to this man. He was mildly drunk but he was not being out of line and he treated everyone around him with respect. I was told by somebody else there that Indians have a disdain for alcohol and drug abusers. This might explain why Indian doctors do not like to prescribe narcotics and why all bets might be off if one is suspected of being a substance abuser. I have nothing against Indians per se but this trend has been observed by more than one person I know.

Another time when I saw a Korean doc for legitimate back pain I was having in the ER (and he commented that he knew I was in distress) the ONLY thing he was willing to send me home with was some sort of prescription anti-inflammetory. Again, I cannot help but wonder if he had the same prejudices as the Indian doctor that treated the alcohol detox patient like shit.

If any of you are of Indian/Korean origin do NOT take offense to this. I have no problem with anyone of either background. I am simply exploring the idea that doctors of certain backgrounds might be less predisposed to writing narcotic scripts and/or being compassionate about pain than doctors of other origins. Feel free to share your thoughts and if you think I'm wrong you're welcome to state your case.

I have experience w/ a Indian plastic surgeon...she fixed my chin when it got split to the bone and when I mentioned pain, she laughed and actually said "These type of injuries do not respond to narcotic" just like that; arrogant bitch told me to "try advil"

ifelt like killing her

[NV12]

Indian docs have always been the ones that prescribe me the strongest meds. So maybe it differs between geographical locations.

[pharmboy]

I would think that its definitly a possability esp. with the Indian people.
Another thing that can effect this is where they went to medical school.
I know the inner city teaching hospitals teach their students to be
supper suspicious because of all the crack addicts and just the
amount of people that go through an Inner city ER. In the city they
seem to loose all compasion of addiction. Maybe its because in the
city the addicts are kindof more in your face.:jumping-s

[mdterp301]

My PM doc is Indian and had no problem with Fent patches and perc 10/325s on the first visit.

[Indy]

The only doctor that ever really was willing to prescribe me a bunch of vicodins besides my dentist, and the occasional codeine syrup from the town clinic, was a white woman. She was really nice it seemed. I went in there for diarrhea, and kept complaining about it hoping maybe to some lomotil (diphenoxylate with atropine that can be extracted, but even if its not i found the dose was so low even if you took a bunch to abuse them the atropine didnt really have much affect). Well she said that if it was infectious i needed to flush it out so treating diarrhea would be bad actually. Wow, she actually had a reason to not give me narcotics. For those of you who don't know, diphenoxylate is used in lomotil for diarrhea and is actually pretty nice, being one of the few people who has tried it. After that though, even though i didn't complain about the pain i had at all (didnt want to make it look like i was drug seeking), she just said "well i can give you something for the pain if you like" so i said sure. I think i would have preferred tramadols at the time, but she gave me 12 or 14 5/500 hydros. Not the most, but not too bad either. She seemed like a really caring doc, and i even saw her for something else once, dont remember.

Oh, and when i had my car accident i totally faked severe pain and got dilauded. It was very low dose, but even so i could feel it a bit. Oh and again i got a few vicodin from that one,not many though, again i think this was a white doc.

My mom's Arab doctor severely underprescribes her, she couhgs up blood sometimes and she says it really hurts and he LITERALLY said that she just had to "live with the pain, it's emphysema". That pisses me off. ONe of these days i'm going to politely go in there and talk to him about it.

I've heard a lot about arab doctors underprescribing for what its worth.

[aj11]

not to brag , but female doctors always hook me up
does it help to be as sexy as I am, maybe

[limitless_euphoria]

Ok, I've advanced my theory a bit. Perhaps 1) geography is a factor and 2) perhaps if your doc is the opposite gender and a bit older there is a higher likelihood they will be compassionate. It would seem that's what I've gathered from the responses so far. Now that I think about it every time I've seen a female doc or APRN - especially since I look older than my age - I usually walk away with something, even if it's only a small something.

The bane of my existence insofar as getting pain meds have been younger male doctors in the ER ESPECIALLY at teaching hospitals. FORGET IT. I had one discharge me with NO SCRIPTS (even when I was rightfully supposed to get scripts besides a script for narcotics) and no discharge instructions which would include a SURVEY (obviously which would have allowed me to complain). Well, when my wife found out after she knew I had been there all day she went in and basically cornered the doc. He was very clever in terms of covering his ass acting all surprised that I was not properly taken care of even though I knew that he didn't believe a word I said. I think at that point he knew it would be easier to just write the scripts and go along with it than have one of his higher-ups breathing down his neck. Gotta love having someone that loves you go to bat on your behalf. That's why I'm very careful not to screw up the good things I DO have going for me in this life.

[Dr. Oxy]

Yea I am Indian. my father hates the fact that i'm prescribed darvocets 100. not to mention its the weakest opiate on the face of the earth, and that a 6-year old would not get high of it, but its the conservative backgound mostly. They're just very conservative people, you have to think of them like rich republicans from Alabama. Pain is just something which everyone has, and your not special if your in pain, if you bitch about it then to them your just a whiner. nevermind that my father would galdly take a day of work to get better when he has a cough and cold, but if i take a pill, to help me walk to campus without passing out, to attend my classes, i'm suddenly a junkie.

That being said, the conservative cultures have much that Americans can learn from. the divorce rate in America is 50%. India is nowhere near that. Most anybody who has visited an eastern country can tell you that the people there are very friendly and genuinely compassionite. I've yet to meet any friendly americans, no offense but the majority are self-important pricks. No race here, blacks, whites, asians, all americans seem to think they own the world.

When we take the best from all cultures, only then will we progress as humanity.

[Dr. Oxy]

A good article on pain relief for the terminal in India.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/11/health/11pain.html?_r=1&n=Top%2fNews%2fWorld%2fCountries%20and%20Territori es%2fIndia&oref=slogin

[EleusisII]

Someone called my statements racist on the other thread: Bullshit... How you practice medicine is influenced by the culture you're from, and the medical system you're trained under. This is a fact.

I usually like Arabs, and find them quite pleasant, but an arab doctor is the last one I'd go to for painrelief. Had enough of them write bullshit tylenol scripts for pain.

Never had a problem with asian doctors, and had an indian doctor give me a nice script for percs the other day. I think what kind of medicine you practice is more important than where you're from. Some docs just don't believe in opiates, period.

It's just that imho this notion is more prevalent with arab doctors.

[I-Nod]

Yea I am Indian. my father hates the fact that i'm prescribed darvocets 100. not to mention its the weakest opiate on the face of the earth, and that a 6-year old would not get high of it, but its the conservative backgound mostly. They're just very conservative people, you have to think of them like rich republicans from Alabama. Pain is just something which everyone has, and your not special if your in pain, if you bitch about it then to them your just a whiner. nevermind that my father would galdly take a day of work to get better when he has a cough and cold, but if i take a pill, to help me walk to campus without passing out, to attend my classes, i'm suddenly a junkie.

That being said, the conservative cultures have much that Americans can learn from. the divorce rate in America is 50%. India is nowhere near that. Most anybody who has visited an eastern country can tell you that the people there are very friendly and genuinely compassionite. I've yet to meet any friendly americans, no offense but the majority are self-important pricks. No race here, blacks, whites, asians, all americans seem to think they own the world.

When we take the best from all cultures, only then will we progress as humanity.

Then go back... :cool:

[Dr. Oxy]

yea great comment buddy, my parents moved here, a move to another country requires major funds, not the kind of money a 19 year old has....by the way so many people say that, its part of why every other country hates the U.S. so much, nobody in europe tells immigrants to go home if they bitch about the goverment or social issues in their new country.

[WarmCyanide]

mixed reviews with indian docs. mine have been positive fortunately but not that many i could count on three fingers. imagine your boss in a clown outfit.

[kyuss]

That being said, the conservative cultures have much that Americans can learn from. the divorce rate in America is 50%. India is nowhere near that. Most anybody who has visited an eastern country can tell you that the people there are very friendly and genuinely compassionite. I've yet to meet any friendly americans, no offense but the majority are self-important pricks.


you are so right.
must be all those
arraigned marriages
to thirteen year olds.
Most indians I've met
think their culture
is better than ours
and they come across
as self righteous cunts.
No offense.

[samsong]

Ha, that is funny shit Dr Oxy (not ha ha funny)--I went to grad school with a bunch of foreignors--it was a small program at a relatively small school, and was international based. There were only 5 Americans in our program of 35 people. The Chinese and Indians were by far the rudest of the whole program--never stopped talking during classes and always giving the profs a hard time. Everyone in the program couldn't stand them. There was a group of 5 Indians and 4 Chinese, all men. The people from Thailand(2 girls and 2 men) were by far the nicest people. That was my only experience with Indians on a personal level, dela with them all the time on the phone as I am now in IT, and they are a little better over the phone, but not much.

And no one in Europe tells immigrants to go home? are you fucking kidding? Ask the Dutch what they think of immigrants, or the Germans, or the British, or the Swiss--there is going to be a major backlash all across Europe very soon towards immigrants, and it ain't gonna be pretty. And whose door do you think all those deportees are going to be knocking on? Ours.

[rachamim18]

It certainly does and there have even been peer reviewed papers on this issue. One prime example are Filipinos. In their culture , pain brings you closer to Jesus (excepting Muslims of course) and they also have a deep complex about substance's that may be addictive.

I could go on and on about personal things I have experienced in this regard but subjective reporting is useless other than for general talk. In one paper one respondent told of treating his own mom for Stage IV cancer, meaning terminal and quick with it. Here, very few MDs are even allowed to prescibe opiates/opioids (a dual Rx system actually) so he was forced to have a colleague do the Scripts. His mom was supposed to have 20 mgs orally (she was close to 80) and instead he merely would give her half her dose.

He was terrified about his mom getting addicted, the woman is elderly and dying, who cares about addiction that point? Just sick thinking...

"Indians have a disdain for alcohol in general as well as drug users." Nope, only Muslim Indians. Alcohol is prohibited in all forms according to their Scripture. Drugs are a gray area. Some feel it is wrong because they view the body as a work of G-D,etc. Most though do not see it this way. In many prts of India opium and its isolated alkaloids are sold open and without shame.

Hindus use to do mind altering substances in their worship (Soma) but it fell to the wayside.

"Korea." Never been there but do have a cousin who is half Korean (Liz Cho from Channel 7 news in NYC). Her dad is he Korean parent, is a reknowned heart surgeon. He too has a reluctance to prescribe pain relief. SE Asians, many anyway, have different viewpoints abotu pain and suffering akin to Filipinos.

There are exceptions to the rule, as in the Filipina MD in Florida who was almost giving away Oxys and methadone. Money might have been a factor as it is a now with my MD here. Most though abhor it.


Rudeness might have many causes but one might be their viewpoint about Americans Westerns in general are soft. In my BL Journal last week I told about how one of our laborer's wife had given birth. She lives in a bamboo hut, no electrcity, not even pillow, and of course could not afford a doctor so she had a midwife, actually another wife, help her through it. She had no pain releif of course and t boot dozens of laborers and their familes watching every moment of her excruciating pain.

Had Iknow I would have dosed her with Demerol but I only found about it at 5 AM when I got up and my wife told me to come look. So, many MDs from so called 3rd World Nations view Americans,etc. as spoiled and whiney. Sounds harsh but that is reality.

[I-Nod]

yea great comment buddy, my parents moved here, a move to another country requires major funds, not the kind of money a 19 year old has....by the way so many people say that, its part of why every other country hates the U.S. so much, nobody in europe tells immigrants to go home if they bitch about the goverment or social issues in their new country.

It was simple logic, pal, that's all. And the only people I hear whining are others... about America.:rolleyes: And I only commented because there have been quite a few US-bashing posts lately. Stems from jealousy would be my guess. I have no problems w/ any country, don't even dwell on it really... what is the benefit besides some gray hair? But that's neither here nor there. Sorry if you were as offended as I was. Good day to you, sir... I SAID GOOD DAY!! ;):D

My experiences w/ foreign doctors is very limited, so I voted "Honestly, I don't have an opinion" or whatever the 3rd option was. The foreign doctors I have visited had no reason to rx pain meds due to the nature of my visit. My wife is Filipina and her foreign (Pakistani) doctor was going to prescribe her a pain med once, and she turned it down!! I promptly suggested she accept ALL pain meds in the future. She won't even take vitamins though, but she does accept all rx's now :D

[EleusisII]

I was in the ER the other day, and this little old lady who just had a kneesurgery wouldn't take anything than Advil and Tylenol for the pain (And she was afraid of taking them together!)
Apparently constipation made her fear narcotics. I was about to yell at her from my little room, just take the damn percs!

Sweet old lady, if a little RX-naive though. I helped her get out of there and get a cab.

[Dr. Oxy]

eh i wasn't trying to america bash, sorry if i offended, bad week, just generally pissed at life. Yea i can be a little high-horsed, and i agree many asians are probably like that, especially the ones you encounter in the west. Thats probably because like i said before, it takes a lot of money to move west, and usually asians who come to america are middle- to upper class in their country of origin, so they come across as rude. but idk, the upper class anywhere are rude. also the education systems in the east are way more rigorous, so the asians who come here are like "dude, this shit is way easy" and probably come off as rude.

oh and definitely, arranged marriges to younger girls is very weird to say the least, i dont have an opinion about arranged marriges to people of same age though. idk some people maybe could be happy that way, i really dont know. personally i would prefer to fall in love and propose to a girl, not have it arranged.

did anybody read the article though, about the terminally ill patients in india?

[EleusisII]

Yup, and it was really fucked up. India seems like one of those countries, where a zealous beaurocrat can fuck it up for everybody.
Interesting that the State described in the article: Kerala is Indias most progressive, because of their communist government :)

[EleusisII]

Oh, another reason why immigrants might seem arrogant, is that they miss their old country. They start taking it out on the country they're living in currently, and all of a sudden everything was much better home, americans are pricks, etc.

I know... I'm stuck in Canada right now and I hate it. Bunch of sanctamonious pricks each and everyone of them ;)

When that is said, Oxy has a point. There are certain things Americans/Europeans could learn from other cultures. Respect for the elderly for example. You don't see people in India sending off gramps to a nursing home to die, when caring for him becomes to inconvenient for example...


Anyways back to the topic: Stay away from Indian, Filipino and Arab docs!

[Dr. Oxy]

haha, thanks for seeing my point eleusis. thats all i was trying to say. I think personalities dont have anything to do with your ethnicity, if you are an asshole then its because you're an asshole, not because you're of a certain race/ethnicity. And again I apologize for the politically insensitive comments about America I made earlier. Its a great country, I have no qualms with it.

[Duckfeet]

It depends. Some of them do all act all condescending and arrogant, others are all right. Seems like it depends more on where they are educated than where they are from. Also depends on whether the hospital is a "charity" hospital, V.A. hospital, or private Hosp... The more money involved, the better the doc. Always exceptions of course, but most of'em want to make money, and the ones on salary and some crappy hospital often seem resentful, and of course they see a lot more dope hustlers and idiots and it gets to'em...it's a bad deal all around. I always like *teaching* hospitals. The primary care docs aren't necesarily the greatest...but if u get past them, to a specialist, then u get in the University section, and out here for example, the V.A. hospital is in LaJolla, and the Univ it is hooked up to is UCSD, and we see great docs...as long as it isn't our *primary* care docs, who are often foreigners, pissed off, and physicians assistants, who think they should be doctors. and forget about anything stronger than hydros...unless u are very very good......;-)

[wafflehead77]

yea great comment buddy, my parents moved here, a move to another country requires major funds, not the kind of money a 19 year old has....by the way so many people say that, its part of why every other country hates the U.S. so much, nobody in europe tells immigrants to go home if they bitch about the goverment or social issues in their new country.

You have every right to complain. I am a white american and I agree, but it also depends on what part of the country you live in. I grew up in the midwest, and speaking against the gov't was very uncool. I have found solice on the west-coast though. Very different mind-set, for the most part, although conservative back-woods thinking knows no bounds.

[HMMM...]

man both my docs are a trip....my 1st doc which is middle eastern is one funny crazy muthafucka... everytime i come in he says " hey man...ur a drug addict...how long are you gonna take these?" and i always say " no doc, im in pain and i need these." then he goes on for another ten minutes warning me not to sell my meds and a bunch of other crazy shit.

another doc i know, which is female and asian, is another trip. she acts more professional but u can tell shes in it for the money. she asks for papers and stuff but i just say i forgot them and shes like "oh well, just bring em next time."......yea right.

funny shit man. doctors come in all shapes and forms. all of em are gonna be different and are gonna have their own opinions with prescribing meds.

[I-Nod]

eh i wasn't trying to america bash, sorry if i offended, bad week, just generally pissed at life. Yea i can be a little high-horsed, and i agree many asians are probably like that, especially the ones you encounter in the west. Thats probably because like i said before, it takes a lot of money to move west, and usually asians who come to america are middle- to upper class in their country of origin, so they come across as rude. but idk, the upper class anywhere are rude. also the education systems in the east are way more rigorous, so the asians who come here are like "dude, this shit is way easy" and probably come off as rude.

oh and definitely, arranged marriges to younger girls is very weird to say the least, i dont have an opinion about arranged marriges to people of same age though. idk some people maybe could be happy that way, i really dont know. personally i would prefer to fall in love and propose to a girl, not have it arranged.

did anybody read the article though, about the terminally ill patients in india?

Sorry about the bad week, DO, things are rough here too. But I don't have school and all the other pressures you have, so I can't imagine it.

I'm the typical American mutt, but my wife is Asian, and fortunately in NE Ohio the Asians are pretty laid back. (There's a college down the road that has at least a thousand Asians... in a small town of 22,000 it is quite noticeable :D) But I'm sure bigger cities and other regions have different outcomes.

You sound like a pretty cool dude, DO. Hopefully your peers in the states will see that too and you can begin to make the best of an unsavory situation. I also hope you come upon some nicer folks in FLA, I know there's a ton of a-holes here, but if you look a little bit you can find a real gem every now and then! :) Take care and good luck to you bro!! Sorry for ribbing ya too, I've been wound way to tight as of late. Peace...

[Paregoric Kid]

I would say it depends. I had an australian psych doc that filled in once and he was a little strange about the dexedrine but he still wrote, I think it was because in Australia they don't script dexedrine at all.

[kyuss]

eh i wasn't trying to america bash, sorry if i offended, bad week, just generally pissed at life. Yea i can be a little high-horsed, and i agree many asians are probably like that, especially the ones you encounter in the west. Thats probably because like i said before, it takes a lot of money to move west, and usually asians who come to america are middle- to upper class in their country of origin, so they come across as rude. but idk, the upper class anywhere are rude. also the education systems in the east are way more rigorous, so the asians who come here are like "dude, this shit is way easy" and probably come off as rude.

oh and definitely, arranged marriges to younger girls is very weird to say the least, i dont have an opinion about arranged marriges to people of same age though. idk some people maybe could be happy that way, i really dont know. personally i would prefer to fall in love and propose to a girl, not have it arranged.

did anybody read the article though, about the terminally ill patients in india?


fair enough.
carry on

[roxi*stardust]

I have no experience with doctors of other nationalities but in my experience older male doctors (white of black) are more likely to write for pain meds than female doctors of any age.

[limitless_euphoria]

It certainly does and there have even been peer reviewed papers on this issue. One prime example are Filipinos. In their culture , pain brings you closer to Jesus (excepting Muslims of course) and they also have a deep complex about substance's that may be addictive.

"Indians have a disdain for alcohol in general as well as drug users." Nope, only Muslim Indians. Alcohol is prohibited in all forms according to their Scripture. Drugs are a gray area. Some feel it is wrong because they view the body as a work of G-D,etc. Most though do not see it this way. In many prts of India opium and its isolated alkaloids are sold open and without shame.

Hindus use to do mind altering substances in their worship (Soma) but it fell to the wayside.

"Korea." Never been there but do have a cousin who is half Korean (Liz Cho from Channel 7 news in NYC). Her dad is he Korean parent, is a reknowned heart surgeon. He too has a reluctance to prescribe pain relief. SE Asians, many anyway, have different viewpoints abotu pain and suffering akin to Filipinos.

There are exceptions to the rule, as in the Filipina MD in Florida who was almost giving away Oxys and methadone. Money might have been a factor as it is a now with my MD here. Most though abhor it.

Well, I also can't help but wonder since opium a long time ago was a scourage to China and other various places in Asia so maybe inherent in the culture is a disdain for such a substance with a double-edged sword (as useful as it is dangerous).

And indeed you're right, as far as pain and being a "wuss" if you will... some cultures are all about grinning and bearing it. Personally, I think since America was founded on life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness I don't understand why things have to be so prohibitive but there again, we have our own puritanical roots and that bull shit going on so...

I guess to each his or her own. I think when somebody's in pain, they ought to be given the benefit of the doubt as pain is such a subjective experience.

As Duckfeet has said, if there were opiate maintenence available in a non-criminal fashion (think of how less populated our jails would be) and since people would have their needs met doctors could spend more time concentrating on legit patients with legit needs.

I think opiate use is 1) a personal choice and 2) not worthy of being criminal as long as the only thing the person has done is consume an opiate by itself. Now, on the other hand, if they went out and drove a car and fell asleep and killed people in a wreck then they should be held accountable.

Just some thoughts I thought I would share with everyone and your response made several good points, btw.

[Inspektahdek]

never had a foreign doctor, or well foreign to me, always european, not because I discriminate, it's just circumstance, this is an interesting thread though, never really thought about this but I knew different cultures/ethnicities of doctors had different ways and preferences of practicing medicine though

anyways good thread, roll it on

[moviebuff927]

I find it easiest (for me) to get meds from older white male doctors and older male black doctors. For some reason they respond to me and give me mostly what i want. It's really strange.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that you're a white woman between the ages of 12 and 79.

Did I get it right? What is my prize?

I'm so psychic.

[youwonhundred]

Wow this thread is all over the place. In my personal experience, I have a PM doc who is filipino, and he has no problem scripting percs and ms contin (probably some of the hardest shit there is to abuse properly) to me, a 30ish white male, covered in tattoos. On the other hand, my surgeon (a thirtyish white guy) who did the graft the other day (knowing damn good and well what I am on normally) scripted 5/500 vics. I have been his patient for the better part of a year, and I seldom complain to him about pain. I have never asked him for anything, even after the surgery. I may have to raise a little hell come monday, since the donor site (where he took the skin from) is one of the most painful things I have experienced in a long time.

[Ale]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that you're a white woman between the ages of 12 and 79.

Did I get it right? What is my prize?

I'm so psychic.

LMAO

[Black_Pony]

I had an Indian (maybe pakistani) doctor one time who was a real jerk. He wanted to give me a drug test to see if I was a 'morphine addict, or something terrible like that,' before he would treat me. I had to persuade him for 20 minutes to treat me without drug screening me.

This all got started off by one of those stupid california medical drivers license forms like DF was talking about the other day. I told the guy I had neck and back problems from a car accident and I took prescription tramadol. 'Oh no, tramadol is VERY bad for you and can lead to addiction!' He made me promise to quit taking the tramadol and switch to alieve. I don't use either, but it pissed me off all the same.

I wish I knew if the guy was Indian or Pakistani to help with this thread attempting to racially stereotype all doctors of particular races. I think I'm gonna go with Pakistani.

All he kept saying was 'Aleve, you take aleve!' I was like fucken-a, I've tried aleve before and it didn't work.

'Have you tried naproxen?'

'Ya, thats aleve, right?'

The fucker tried to trick me!

[Dr. Oxy]

hahaha, great mental picture on that one BP, love it

[EleusisII]

I wish I knew if the guy was Indian or Pakistani

That's pretty much he same thing, except that Pakistan is mostly moslem :)
I guess thi is another strike against Indian doctors... What a fucker!

[SurfRat]

I recently saw a new doctor and from his name assume he was Vietnamese American.
I asked for refill on Ambien, Ativan for anxiety, and something for back pain... And got Vics 5/500.
I traded/gave away everything except most of the Ambien, but I guess from what I am reading here, I did
not do too badly for first attempt for pain stuff from an actual Dr.)
(just kidding about trading/giving away stuff, 'cause that would be wrong...)

Oh yeh, at the same office the white lady doctor seemed ok about prescribing benzos etc. but I never asked for pain meds.

The white lady PA, also at the same office... She was a worthless piece of shit.

[Crow]

Interesting thread, heres my contribution, for what its worth.

Up until recently, I have had little experience with doctors in my life, aside from the normal check-ups and all. A few weeks ago, I started (or so the doctor thinks..) on suboxone treatment. The doctor is Indian, and made some degrading comments about my heroin/opiate use, and even mentioned that I should be "closer to god" at one point. (This was in response to me saying I work at a retreat for religious groups...In actuality, Im just the agnostic dishwasher though.) Of course, he scripted me the subs, and some Trazedone for sleep. In my situation, I don't know if really suggests anything. Scripting me 24 miligrams of buprenorphine a day could be considered lenient, but the reason he did it in the first place was to get me off of the "worse" drugs, like smack, dilaudid, and morphine.

On an interesting side note, upon returning home from my first visit with the doctor, I made the connection that a good friend of mine had dated my doctors son in high school. This was a huge coincidence, considering I have to drive two hours to see this man. It turned out his son went to school at a local private school, and apparently was a big junkie. My friend said that eating dinner at the boyfriends house was always a trip, and the father (my good ol' doc) had very strange family values, no doubt brought with him from India. He always made comments about how the men in the family have to work hard while the women make their meals and take care of them. I can't even imagine the disdain this man went through when he found out HIS son was a heroin addict. Kind of makes me think that his son is atleast one indirect reason for why he is a doctor who treats addiction.

A further elaboration for anyone interested...Apparently the doctor also has a wife and two daughters, all of which are now doctors. The youngest daughter originally had put off her career in the medical world in order to start up a program that housed and fed homeless people in a local city (New York, if I recall correctly). This enraged the father, who obviously wanted her to follow in the family footsteps and become a doctor, so much so that he wouldn't talk to the daughter for years. Finally, she went back to medical school and became a doctor, and the father started speaking with her again.

Sorry to ramble, I thought that this would be a fitting story in such a thread. Everytime the doctor makes some degrading comment about my drug use, I am tempted to slay him with my knowledge of his personal life. Man, would that throw him for a loop. Over all, though, he is kind to me and gives me my suboxone, which just might save my life when I choose to start taking it....

Thanks for reading, if anyone actually made it through that. :)

[LorTabitha]

I have three doctors right now that are all from India (just coincidence after the previous post!) They are all very different from each other. One is very outgoing - his wife works at the clinic as well and they only are open part time, so they can both spend time with their kids. He's friendly, nice, and a good doctor. Another is very busy, but friendly and good about scripts. The third is rude, in too much of a hurry and pretty much altogether useless (he's a surgeon, so I don't have to see him anymore unless I need surgery).

[laudaphun]

I've been treated by 3 different doctors who knew I had a history of opiate dependance. The first, an indian psychiatrist who diagnosed me with G.A.D. with social anxiety however refused to treat me with anything other than anti-depressants. She said there were 2 options, benzos which she absolutely would not prescribe me and SSRI which she wrote me out a script for... lexapro maybe or effexor... can't remmber at that time which she gave me first. She was typially very mean to me I might add.

Dr #2 younger white male Dr. who prescribed me suboxone and trazadone... On my 2nd visit he asked how the suboxone worked.. told him sometimes i felt like i needed an extra at night so he raised me from 60 to 90 per month. Then asked me how the trazadone worked, and I gave him my honest opinion (It SUCKED!) So he said well, I can either give you something like lunesta or something older that might be more likely to get you into trouble... He thought for a moment and scripted me temazepam x10 with 3 refills. This was a good call as i didn't have insurance and lunesta is like $5/pill or something. 3-4 Months later i told him i was out of temazepam and he gave me a new script for x30 with 5 refills. (I nearly shit myself when i saw all the refills). Then he moved to a different state. I found a new suboxone Dr. but at a pain clinic and there they will only prescribe me suboxone and urge me to see my G.P. or a psychiatrist if i need something else.

I kept going to the place as my G.P. where a middle aged white woman took over and when i complained of anxiety and told her of my previous diagnosis from the psychiatrist for GAD with social anxiety she scripted me a few librium, kept me on the temazepam but threatened to take me off of it... somewhere between 15-25 per month with no refills. Eventually when she decided i wasn't drug seeking she started scripting librium more liberally 60ct with refills... more temazepam with refills. Buspar I can't forget that one which they finally gave me after exhausting pretty much every anti-depressent. Klonopin was even mention... they seem to think it as one of the more abuse-proof (I haven't tried other than a 1mg pill once i think.... maybe it was a 2mg)

Moral of the story is that I was treated like a drug-seeking drug addict by the Middle-aged Female Indian Psychiatrist, whereas the 35-45 year old white male Dr. and the middle aged Dr. (nurse practioner actually) treated me like a person... taking my previous history of opiate dependance into consideration but giving me the benefit of the doubt.

[JayTrizzle]

you do realize that klonopin is actually a stronger benzo than temazepam and also for your purposes would benefit you waaaay more than worthless ass buspar, at least it was on par with helping me sleep with xanax. xanax makes me way more fucked up, but klonopin has a strong anti-seizure mechanism which at least for me made me go to sleep. yeah. now for my two cents on the thread. i agree in some part with most of you, in the theory that where you go to med school and your private life affect the way that you write scripts. for example. when i was in high school i got vics and xanax for back pain and anxiety from a doctor who i later found out to be an addict. no shit. he was an older white guy, kind of a jolly old guy, ya know> then i had my knee surgery. complete acl reconstruction. nothing more than hydrocodone, 1 every four hours. 7.5/500. good looking single white young male surgeon. the definition of prick even you don't add in the word surgeon. my current regular doctor is another jolly old man, and he's only a practitioner. He gives me 75 bars a month, and recently i had a mild hernia for which he wrote me a script for 15 oxy 20's for the pain until they figured out what was wrong, and I almost got Opana from him on top of that. This is in a very rich suburb of Kansas City. A guy I work with's girlfriend gets 15 30mg Ms-Contin's every month for period pain. Guess what? She's young, attractive, white, and rich. I've never been to a pain management doc, but every time i've gone to the er up here i get the same indian woman who refuses to let me see a doctor, tells me she'll write me a script for tylenol and that pain from knee surgery that i never rehab'ed for and back pain aren't her problem and then she promptly hands me a bill. yeah. i need to go to a pm doc but i STILL don't have insurance, so fuck it. so there you go. If you have big titties, you're young and white, and you're rich, you'll get whatever you want.

[Hammilton]

no- clonazepam is a more *potent* benzo- it's definitely not more enjoyable.

[JayTrizzle]

i didn't say it was more enjoyable, i literally said it was a stronger benzo that will knock you out and more than likely nothing else. Xanax is my benzo. Valium for some reason never even made me tired, klonopin made me sleep and drool, and xanax gets me extremely fucked up with the added bonus of hard sleep. I was more pointing out that buspar is almost worthless, that shit made me feel WORSE when they started me on it. I just hate buspar. Oh and another thing I've noticed, i've had two seperate middle aged white women try to put me on anti-psychotics. One made me start taking Seraquel before I knew what it was, and the other TRIED to get me to start taking Geodon. For anxiety. Yeah.

[Coldshakekid]

I agree that its more about where they were educated.

You have to rememeber,if you have a doc your seeeing the 1st time.They cant go giving you monster meds.
They need proof that you needed Oxycontin. Like...You tried therapy for a week.
Then you tried motrin for a week
Then tylenol 3 didnt work.
Etc etc.....

Also,if you have a doctor that your coming to persitently for tests and procedures,theyre making money off you and your a good customer.

They are more likely inclined to make sure your comfortable and happy.

A doctors first lesson is to NEVER give the patient what they ask for.
This was opposite for one of my Physical Therapists,But she knew,I have been thru dozens of meds.And I knew what works for me. She was 1 of those really cool docs.2 bad they dont accept my insurance anymore.

I find older docs are more free with their scripts.
Some doctors are just against prescibing controlled meds. There is alot of scrutiny and they could lose their liscense if they dont follow the strict guidelines.

Younger docs always want to prove their smart.And pain meds are last resort.

On the other side of the token.
I have seen some indian docs write controled meds like its nothing.
And some wont give you ANYTHING
I had an american doc write me 1 months supply of vics/xanax after I had 10 herniated discs.100s of stitches in my face,4 skull fractures,2 broken wrists,2 exploded knees+ surgery
And after that 30days I said Im in pain still and need a refill
He said..WHAT HOW CAN U STILL BE IN PAIN??
Im sitting there in a leg cast/ wrist cast...bloody eyes,cant walk in a wheelchair
you know what did? Wrote me out 750mg ibuprofin
But .....He did know...I used cocaine in the past...So that ,I think,was the deal breaker.

Asians ..Ive had a few,and they NEVER EVER prescribed me any controled meds.


You have to keep in mind.

Primary care physicians,Arent suppose to prescribe meds for pain.

The are suppose to send you to a pain specialist.

If you have say,an orthopedic ,he can prescribe meds for a certian amount of time,until he should be refering you to a pain management.

Physcoligists and such,they will give you anything you ask for. NOT OPIATES....xanax,valium,soma,etc
They are verry free with meds.

Females ,for the most part,I have noit had any sucess with.
I have seen sooo many docs.
I was in an XTREME accident years ago and seen docs everyday for a few years straight.Sometimes 2 docs a day. Some are just EVIL and some have genuine COMPASSION
Some give you what you want,some dont
ALOT of them are condenscending
SOme you need to play dumb with
Some you need to act smart with
Some have 100 reasons why you shouldnt get what you ask for.And it seems like they said 1000 times before cause it comes out of their mouth like a robotic speech.

Opiates are being scrutinized in a BIG WAY these days.
Addiction is no longer a closet diagnosis because EVERYONE is getting addicted to pills.Its reaching Upperclass/Middleclass america and The Govt has been implementing new laws to control the scripters.

So.........All boiled down

Its easier for a doctor to refuse you ,And in their eyes,their doing the right thing.According to the new widespread addictions to opiates theyre helping you by denying you.
In the long run...In all honesty,they are....Kinda...if your not a persistant user or chronic pain patient.

Sry for the long post

[irish]

In the past I have dealt with Asian(Chinese,Japanese) doctors and Indian doc's. I always had real problems getting anything for pain. When I caught fire and was severely burned the Pakistani doc wanted to give me tylenol#3, then his boss who was an older white man chewed him out in front of me and scripted morphine. I would think that 3rd degree burns would rate fairly strong narcotics from any doc. For years I did everything in my power to get older white doctors or young white males. The older guys realize that narcotics aren't going to fuck you up, and the younger guys like to script stuff like dilaudid just to show off and give something different. I now love seeing docs from the middle east, India, or China. All the really consrvative cultures. Why? Because I have chronic testicular pain. They get so uncomfortable around me that they want to get me out of there with the least amount of fuss. This means narcotics around 85% of the time. I have been asked what I wanted by these guys, and gotten things like morphine and dilaudid. The males tend to be better than the females just because they know what it's like to get kicked in the balls and that is the way I usually describe the pain. That overwhelming nauseus pain that just blocks out everything else. If I had back pain I wouldn't want to be anywhere near these docs, but because it makes them so uncomfortable to talk about some guy's balls they are by far the best for me to see right now.

[upstate_007]

Some of my experiences.....

Specialist doctors that are experimental and trying to be innovative don't really write for narcotics. They like to use newer drugs that are supposed to be "just as good" as narcotics.

Older white male doctors write freely for narcotics. Bare minimum of t3's all the way up to whatever they want to give you.

Younger female doctors.. won't write for anything. The one exception I had was in the ER for a kidney infection. The doc who was a younger female wrote a script for 60 vics with refills. I probably could have used something stronger though.

Urgent Care facilities around here will not write for anything. Best I got was some Ultram after basically begging for something. The doc there told me flat out that they will not write scripts for narcotics.

Otherwise it is luck of the draw depending on factors like what is actually wrong with you, if there is someone to drive you home, how busy they are and how good of an actor you are.

[roxi*stardust]

Some of my experiences.....

Specialist doctors that are experimental and trying to be innovative don't really write for narcotics. They like to use newer drugs that are supposed to be "just as good" as narcotics.

Older white male doctors write freely for narcotics. Bare minimum of t3's all the way up to whatever they want to give you.

Younger female doctors.. won't write for anything. The one exception I had was in the ER for a kidney infection. The doc who was a younger female wrote a script for 60 vics with refills. I probably could have used something stronger though.

Urgent Care facilities around here will not write for anything. Best I got was some Ultram after basically begging for something. The doc there told me flat out that they will not write scripts for narcotics.

Otherwise it is luck of the draw depending on factors like what is actually wrong with you, if there is someone to drive you home, how busy they are and how good of an actor you are.
I have to agree with EVERYTHING above. This has been exactly my experience. Older white docs are the most generous. Female docs are NOT very compassionate AT ALL. ER rooms here are stingy as hell. Best thing I ever got was a RX of 15 Vicodin 5mg for torn cartlidge in my knee.

[tyrant]

My mom's Arab doctor severely underprescribes her, she couhgs up blood sometimes and she says it really hurts and he LITERALLY said that she just had to "live with the pain, it's emphysema".


wow. that is unconscionable. what happened to "do no harm"? that's worthy of reporting, i'd say...

[limitless_euphoria]

Some of my experiences.....

Specialist doctors that are experimental and trying to be innovative don't really write for narcotics. They like to use newer drugs that are supposed to be "just as good" as narcotics.

Older white male doctors write freely for narcotics. Bare minimum of t3's all the way up to whatever they want to give you.

Younger female doctors.. won't write for anything. The one exception I had was in the ER for a kidney infection. The doc who was a younger female wrote a script for 60 vics with refills. I probably could have used something stronger though.

Urgent Care facilities around here will not write for anything. Best I got was some Ultram after basically begging for something. The doc there told me flat out that they will not write scripts for narcotics.

Otherwise it is luck of the draw depending on factors like what is actually wrong with you, if there is someone to drive you home, how busy they are and how good of an actor you are.

I find as long as you don't show up at the same clinic/hospital any more often than 2x per year they're usually decent to you if you play the part well. I only bother going when I am in pain... I sometimes exaggerate the pain scale a little because of my experience with opiates when a 5 mg vicodin would help most people I need like 10 mg of oxycodone to achieve the same pain relief. It sucks.

Oh, by golly, to have a virgin endogenous endorphin/enkephalin system again! Tha'd be da schiznit! :)

[theDeanofGreen]

I noticed that at a walk in clinic of all places (in my area they have signs posted "NO NARCOTICS PRESCRIBED") there was always the same asian (male) doctor who saw me and on two occasions wrote me refills for a huge bottle of Tussionex for my "cough" way before I would of needed one, I am not sure his race had anything to do with it, but it did make me atleast think about it because i am white, and i dont know how many white female doctors have shut me down hard trying to explain even legitmate pain.

[cactus31]

In my experience, it's a shitmix. I've had run-ins and exchanges with white, Asian, and black docs, and gotten both results from all.

I'll elaborate a little;

1).

The last time I hit an ER, I had flipped out drunk and beat the shit out of a door out in my garage...I really fucked my hand up too, bleeding everywhere and I knew it was a 'boxer's fracture' on the pinky side of my hand...anyway, I get to the ER, the fucking bastard doctor (actually, he was a fucking PA-C), an Asian guy, took hold of my hand and started kneading it like bread until I yelled at him to stop because it hurt like hell. Then he wanted me to close my eyes while he poked my fingers with toothpicks...he used 1 or 2 toothpicks and asked me if I could feel how many toothpicks were poking me. Good lord.

The dickhead finally ordered an x-ray, and they confirmed the break. Total time in ER=4 hours of my life, and NO script...he advised me to take Ibuprofen...didn't even write for them.

2).

Another Asian guy a different ER visit. This guy ROCKED. He really gave a shit about my strained/pulled/whatever (I don't remember) arm rotator cuff or whatnot. he asked me right off if I wanted something for pain, to which I replied: "Got anything stronger than Ibuprofen?".

He sent the nurse back with a couple Percocet, and kicked me loose with sling and a script for 35 Percs. Actually, that's the most I've ever gotten from ER at once.

3).

Yet another Asian guy, my dentist, scripted my routinely for Vicodin ES for a painful wisdom tooth. Funny thing is, when I first took the script to a pharmacy, they looked at me like it was totally fake. The script was on a regular piece of paper, typed with a typewriter (!), and literally said VICODINS...plural. Vicodins. LMAO.

4).

Old white asshole with a chip on his shoulder. "You've been seen in our healthcare system 4 times in six months for the same issue." "I can't write you for any narcotics, here's an NA pamphlet if yu'd like to get some help...if you want narcotics, please come back with a copy of a drug contract from your personal physician"

"And, by the way, this has been noted in our system's computers, so don't think you can visit a different xxxxxxx hospital, we will not prescribe narcotics".

5).

Old black doctor this time. Scripted me for 6...SIX Vicodin. he actually gave me a choice between the Vics and a muscle relaxer.


It's six of one, half-dozen of the other. Race has little to with it.

It's really the doc's personality, how bad your issue is, if he got into a fight with his wife the night before, his personal philosophy about scripting narcs, whatever.

[bigNasty]

I've noticed that middle eastern docs write scripts for narcotics alot more liberally than other races, maybe a cultural difference in treatment of pain and the stigma of pain meds

[LeChuck]

I think religion or political affiliation would have a lot more to do with willingness to script than race. I live in the South and most doctors here are really conservative. Best I've ever gotten was some Lortabs when I had kidney stones and some 10 mg oxy IR when I had my wisdom teeth out. My dad has multiple sclerosis and used to get really bad pain attacks that completely debilitated him but he was usually prescribed vics or darvocet.

On the race topic I used to see an Indian psychiatrist who was a real asshole. All he cared about was getting my money. His secretary was always trying to get me to pay way more than my copay and every time I had to argue about my insurance. Anyway this guy wouldn't script anything but SSRIs and other bullshit meds. I had bad anxiety and all he was willing to script was SSRIs and buspar (most worthless drug of all time). I also had severe insomnia but he wouldn't give anything but lunesta (which is useless).

[bigNasty]

On the race topic I used to see an Indian psychiatrist who was a real asshole. All he cared about was getting my money. His secretary was always trying to get me to pay way more than my copay and every time I had to argue about my insurance. Anyway this guy wouldn't script anything but SSRIs and other bullshit meds. I had bad anxiety and all he was willing to script was SSRIs and buspar (most worthless drug of all time). I also had severe insomnia but he wouldn't give anything but lunesta (which is useless).
I think most psychiatrists are like ^^^ that regardless of race. I mean what the fuck are SSRI's supposed to do for anxiety? I think SSRI's are over-prescribed for anxiety and benzo's are under-prescribed. You can have anxiety without being depressed, but NOT in a shrink's head. And don't get me started on buspar

[LeChuck]

I think most psychiatrists are like ^^^ that regardless of race. I mean what the fuck are SSRI's supposed to do for anxiety? I think SSRI's are over-prescribed for anxiety and benzo's are under-prescribed. You can have anxiety without being depressed, but NOT in a shrink's head. And don't get me started on buspar
SSRIs don't do shit period in my experience except give you a ton of horrible side effects. I love how 90% of psychiatrists push SSRIs like they're some kind of miracle drug, prescribing them for depression, anxiety, panic disorder (what the fuck is paxil going to do for a panic attack?), insomnia (sure, mild sedation is totally worth the ridiculous list of side effects), ADHD, even pain for god's sake. Yet these doctors have probably never been on an SSRI in their life and literally have no idea what you're talking about when you tell them they are terrible drugs that have never had a positive effect on you. Standard response of course is to offer you another SSRI. Refuse Paxil, they try to give you lexapro. Refuse lexapro they try to give you effexor. Etc. So many shitty doctors just swallow whole the propaganda fed to them by big pharma, which is why there are so many bullshit drugs these days being marketed as safer, more effective, and with fewer side effects than their old counterparts which actually worked. Of course the real reason for the hype is not so hard to fathom--patents run out, and profits must be made.

I hate the pharmaceutical industry.

And yeah I wasn't insinuating that all Indian docs were assholes. Just in my personal experience the worst doc I've had was Indian. But most docs tend to be on the bad side.

[bigNasty]

SSRIs don't do shit period in my experience except give you a ton of horrible side effects. I love how 90% of psychiatrists push SSRIs like they're some kind of miracle drug, prescribing them for depression, anxiety, panic disorder (what the fuck is paxil going to do for a panic attack?), insomnia (sure, mild sedation is totally worth the ridiculous list of side effects), ADHD, even pain for god's sake. Yet these doctors have probably never been on an SSRI in their life and literally have no idea what you're talking about when you tell them they are terrible drugs that have never had a positive effect on you. Standard response of course is to offer you another SSRI. Refuse Paxil, they try to give you lexapro. Refuse lexapro they try to give you effexor. Etc. So many shitty doctors just swallow whole the propaganda fed to them by big pharma, which is why there are so many bullshit drugs these days being marketed as safer, more effective, and with fewer side effects than their old counterparts which actually worked. Of course the real reason for the hype is not so hard to fathom--patents run out, and profits must be made.

I hate the pharmaceutical industry.
.
+1 and if you aren't depressed before you get on SSRI's, you sure as hell will be when you get a hot girl in your bed and your dick doesn't work anymore. I'd rather be addicted to benzo's then take SSRI's. And BTW i've been scripted benzo's for almost 5 yrs and never had WD's. Not because i have an unlimited supply, because i only take them when i really need them or need a good night's sleep or occassionally just for a buzz. I think risk vs. reward for benzo's far outweighs risk vs. reward for SSRI's and not just cause i like drugs with recreational value. Benzo's WORK and SSRI's DON'T

[PantyShot9]

In my experience, it's a shitmix. I've had run-ins and exchanges with white, Asian, and black docs, and gotten both results from all.

I'll elaborate a little;

1).

The last time I hit an ER, I had flipped out drunk and beat the shit out of a door out in my garage...I really fucked my hand up too, bleeding everywhere and I knew it was a 'boxer's fracture' on the pinky side of my hand...anyway, I get to the ER, the fucking bastard doctor (actually, he was a fucking PA-C), an Asian guy, took hold of my hand and started kneading it like bread until I yelled at him to stop because it hurt like hell. Then he wanted me to close my eyes while he poked my fingers with toothpicks...he used 1 or 2 toothpicks and asked me if I could feel how many toothpicks were poking me. Good lord.

The dickhead finally ordered an x-ray, and they confirmed the break. Total time in ER=4 hours of my life, and NO script...he advised me to take Ibuprofen...didn't even write for them.

2).

Another Asian guy a different ER visit. This guy ROCKED. He really gave a shit about my strained/pulled/whatever (I don't remember) arm rotator cuff or whatnot. he asked me right off if I wanted something for pain, to which I replied: "Got anything stronger than Ibuprofen?".

He sent the nurse back with a couple Percocet, and kicked me loose with sling and a script for 35 Percs. Actually, that's the most I've ever gotten from ER at once.

3).

Yet another Asian guy, my dentist, scripted my routinely for Vicodin ES for a painful wisdom tooth. Funny thing is, when I first took the script to a pharmacy, they looked at me like it was totally fake. The script was on a regular piece of paper, typed with a typewriter (!), and literally said VICODINS...plural. Vicodins. LMAO.

4).

Old white asshole with a chip on his shoulder. "You've been seen in our healthcare system 4 times in six months for the same issue." "I can't write you for any narcotics, here's an NA pamphlet if yu'd like to get some help...if you want narcotics, please come back with a copy of a drug contract from your personal physician"

"And, by the way, this has been noted in our system's computers, so don't think you can visit a different xxxxxxx hospital, we will not prescribe narcotics".

5).

Old black doctor this time. Scripted me for 6...SIX Vicodin. he actually gave me a choice between the Vics and a muscle relaxer.


It's six of one, half-dozen of the other. Race has little to with it.

It's really the doc's personality, how bad your issue is, if he got into a fight with his wife the night before, his personal philosophy about scripting narcs, whatever.

Lol Vicodins

[WarmCyanide]

never met a psyche dr that wasn't of indian descent. working that angle help specifics suck me dry

[Raisin]

Half breed Eskimo docs with dwarfism are the loosest script writers. Jesus Christ...Shelley gets banned for using the N-word but this is ok? Not much different in my eyes.

[nick]

Half breed Eskimo docs with dwarfism are the loosest script writers. Jesus Christ...Shelley gets banned for using the N-word but this is ok? Not much different in my eyes.

Racism is like pornography in that sometimes it's hard to define,but you always recognise it.

Anyway,enough of Shelley and the racism thing.It's getting old.

[theDeanofGreen]

Maybe all the female doctors I have seen never hook me up because they catch me staring down their shirt.

[Narkotikon]

I'm not sure if it's a standard rule or something, but I do think doctors trained out the US are taught a different approach to pain control and use of opiates in general, as well as other controlled substances.

I can say that the foreign shrinks I've been to have all been extremely eager to prescribe me benzos, but since I used to tend to abuse them and black out and get in trouble, that was short lived, because my family would always call them and tell on me, and threaten to sue them if they did it again.

But the shrinks I've had that were Asian or Middle Eastern have always been eager to script benzos. My oldest sister went to a Chinese-American shrink who scripted her 100mg of Adderall and 4mg of Ativan a day. That was back in 2000. Suffice it to say, my sister doesn't need that. She thought she had ADD because she tends to diagnose herself, but she really doesn't. She know realizes it. The Ativan she was scripted by that doctor was because the Adderall made her anxious. Yeah, I wonder why. If I were the doctor, I would have just lowered the Adderall or switched to something else. But my sister is weird / lucky, all the doctor's she's ever been to have given her Ativan. She must need it, which I can sort of see, but not as much as my mother or other sisters. They need that or something stronger. I like to imagine filling a big tranq dart gun up with Xanax and just shooting them in the ass everytime they get anxious.

[EleusisII]

Half breed Eskimo docs with dwarfism are the loosest script writers. Jesus Christ...Shelley gets banned for using the N-word but this is ok? Not much different in my eyes.

Are you implying this thread is racist in any way? Sorry to say, but that would be a pretty ignorant, and overtly PC idea...

Racism is the idea, that some "races" are inherently superior to others, and as far as I know "arab" or "Indian" isn't even considered a race.

We're discussing the doctors nationality (and A/S/L). A person born in Iraq has had a vastly different upbringing, education and values than an American, Serb or an Indian. Their medical experience has also been vastly different, so yeah, of course their nationality is a factor when it comes to drugseeking.

All of this can of course be summed up with: Indian doc, run the other way. Arab doc, no good unless youre looking for benzos. Ol' white doc: Bitch away about your pain!

Asian docs tend to be ok, as long as they're young and trained in the US.

Hell, just last week i Was in two different ERs. The first doc, young canadian dude, gave me 50 MS Contins without batting an eye.
The very sympathetic arab doc in ER number two only gave 15, after bitching and moaning about it...