Naltrexone Implants

[humpledink]

I have been smoking a gram a day of herion for three years and am due for a 6 month naltrexone
implant. I am curious to know if I can still get high on herion by smoking more once the implant is in ... also if I get it
removed how long til i can have a smoke and feel the effects?

[devilsdrug]

man i knew i was way behind the times which is why i joined this place i learned about bup and sub and now this shit about inplants i knew i was a dino but damn whats next and thats whats gonna keep me from fukin up is listenin to the youngins and the few oldies

[poppy]

Hi Humpledink, I think you'll find that if you use heroin or any other opiate for that matter on top of a naltraxone implant that you will have no effects off the heroin whatsoever. A year or so ago a bloke I know who had a massive smack habit decided to spend his redundancy money on doing 'DETOX 5',which is a system unavailable on the NHS, where basically, you pay about £2000 to be knocked out for 4 or 5 days so you are unconscious when going through the physical aspects of your rattle. Anyway he came back clean as a whistle in terms of physical addiction, back living with his parents who were supposed to adminster the naltraxone; however he was still all over the place in terms of his mental addiction, and on discovering that the naltraxone stopped his £10 bag getting him off, he just stopped taking naltraxone so in the long term he had totally wasted his redundancy money. As you are to have a naltraxone implant which presumably you won't be able to remove yourself you will literally be wasting your cash if you use gear as well you might as well just set fire to it, or maybe let someone else have the implant who is more committed to giving up. Don't mean to sound patronising, sorry, laters POPPYXXX PS what part of the uk are you from?

[humpledink]

Its all new to me too... but its a good insurance policy ..i.e. heroin will have no effect on you from 6 weeks to a year - depending on which implant you go for... good luck

[humpledink]

Not patronising..no worries... thought it was worth an ask... hoping once I've got an implant might have clearer head and less craving eventually and maybe get some kind of 'normal' life back... just to get my head round getting the actual implant i need to ask these questions ... cheers for the advice ... I am in the south east ... whether commited or not sometimes you don't really have a choice and being addicted doesn't mean i am going to skip with joy to the clinic - but all I can do is see how it goes... thanks - p.s. do you know of anyone who has one removed? and if so how long til i can gouch out once removed - may sound a little defeatist at the moment but hey ho.. early days...

[poppy]

Hi humpledink, i've just reread what I wrote yesterday and I sound like some sort of drug counciller, sorry I didn't mean to, I'd had a few beers y'know friday night and all that and frankly beer turns me into an arsehole.
I don't know of anyone else who has had anything to do with naltraxone so I can't answer your question about how long it would take before you could gouch again (god I love to gauch!!!don't we all eh?) I'll ask about for you and if I find anything out I'll let you know. I imagine it would be pretty instantaneous, once its not in you its not there to block the gear out.
You don't sound defeatist but realistic, the thought of going the rest of my life without ever getting wasted on gear again seems unthinkable. Also I find that when I stop using on top of my meth (which happens once a fortnight because I have to do clean (as in heroin free) tests to keep my script) I keep thinking that my tolerance must be right down and that a bag of gear is going to really mash me. Of course it never does, but it doesn't stop me craving. I just wish I could manage on my script and use on a friday night or something. Anyway good luck with the implant. Sorry again for sounding obnoxious. laters poppyxxx

[humpledink]

once again no worries..{cheers for repliying anyhow}..let us know if u speak to anyone with an implant..that would be great..dont we all wish we could just do gear occasionaly...seems to be all or nothing really..anyway hope you can get to where your trying to get to..ps not sure its a good idea to mention but my clinic has always given out juice even if your still using {piss tests n all}just have to let them know roughly {ie be a bit conservative with the actual amount your doing}...go to CDAT..dont know if theres one in your area..probably MUCH better off enjoying your fortnightly bag {as much as you can anyway}..anyway sure you know what your doing...oh yeah, have you not explored ways of getting round the p tests..{i managed to find a few along the way}...how much juice r u on?..

Hi Poppy... my boyfriend humpledink likes to keep his options open and always trying to find ways to get round stopping... he is doing well though (reluctantly)...giving an implant a chance.. I myself have managed to cut my juice down to 15mls a day and in the last 3 years have stopped twice but go back to it.. hard when everyone you know is still doing it .. the last time I stopped I had df118's and temazepam to help with withdrawals - i have a cool doctor..and it really helped and if you can do that and then maybe treat yourself to a bag every fortnight its better than maintaining yourself on juice.. thats what i would ideally like to do but don't know if i can take it or leave it.. never worked before ... good luck with it all and hope i haven't gone on too much - you probably know all this anyway..

[earthenone]

I have a question Hump. What if you get the implant, then break a bone, or are in some kind of pain, if you cant get relief from H, i imagine any painkillers wont work either, I dont know, just askin.

[poppy]

once again no worries..{cheers for repliying anyhow}..let us know if u speak to anyone with an implant..that would be great..dont we all wish we could just do gear occasionaly...seems to be all or nothing really..anyway hope you can get to where your trying to get to..ps not sure its a good idea to mention but my clinic has always given out juice even if your still using {piss tests n all}just have to let them know roughly {ie be a bit conservative with the actual amount your doing}...go to CDAT..dont know if theres one in your area..probably MUCH better off enjoying your fortnightly bag {as much as you can anyway}..anyway sure you know what your doing...oh yeah, have you not explored ways of getting round the p tests..{i managed to find a few along the way}...how much juice r u on?..

Hi Poppy... my boyfriend humpledink likes to keep his options open and always trying to find ways to get round stopping... he is doing well though (reluctantly)...giving an implant a chance.. I myself have managed to cut my juice down to 15mls a day and in the last 3 years have stopped twice but go back to it.. hard when everyone you know is still doing it .. the last time I stopped I had df118's and temazepam to help with withdrawals - i have a cool doctor..and it really helped and if you can do that and then maybe treat yourself to a bag every fortnight its better than maintaining yourself on juice.. thats what i would ideally like to do but don't know if i can take it or leave it.. never worked before ... good luck with it all and hope i haven't gone on too much - you probably know all this anyway..
Hi Humpledink and Humpledink's girlfriend, I know exactly where you're both coming from. I too have a boyfriend who talks a lot about giving up (usually when he's just had a dig) but finds a million and one reasons why he can't stop today, and his deadlines either start tomorrow or when he's due to see his drug worker who is annoyingly far more tolerant than mine. By the way we get our scripts from a place called CDT (community drug team) I'm guessing the A in yours is 'action'? Also sadly, long gone is the humble piss test, too many ways to get round it I guess, now we have the swab test which seems infinitely harder to blag, its probably coming to a place near you very soon so beware. Regarding your girlfriends successful reduction all I can say is well done especially as she's with another user. It causes so many rows between me and my man, but & I know lots of other junkies who couldn't say this neither of us uses behind each others back. If you're not careful the gear will consume your relationship as well as everything else. I find that if one of us is all fired up for giving up then the other wants the opposite. It has to be said that its usually him who falls at the first hurdle but he's got a 23 year habit, compared with my 7, and certainly the longer I've used for the harder I find it to give up. Has anyone got any advice for couples who want to cut their using down. Also I don't know if I made it clear in my first post that I use consistently for 10 days then stop for 3 and have the test on the 4th and usually find myself scoring very soon after the test, my ideal is to use just about once a week, but if I could ever get it down to once a fortnight then I'd be well pleased. I take on board what you are saying about it maybe not a good idea just maintaining on the green forever. I saw a lad earlier this week who's had a script for green for a week who now totally thinks he's clean, he doesn't seem to realize that he is still totally dependent on a potent opiate, and that withdrawals (worse than those off gear) are only a dose away. I'm interested in whether the naltraxone implant thingy is provided on the nhs and also what area you're from(don't panic I don't mean your town or city, just the rough area eg W. mids or wales. I'm interested in how drug addicts are treated in different parts of the country). Also (full of questions aren't I) don't you think we as drug addicts are treated much better in the uk than they are in the states, in terms of information, scripts, needle exchanges etc I moan like hell about cdt but thank god they're there. I think this would make and interesting poll if anyone's interested. Anyway sorry again for waffling laters poppy

[humpledink]

poppy..sorry for a short reply but i type v s-l-o-w-l-yyy...only naltrexone on nhs is pills which block opiates for 3 days..kind of defeats the point coz ya still got the choice of not taking them..implants range from around £300 for a 6 week one to £1000 for a year!...not cheap i know but with the cash saved it will pay for itself..the a in cdat is for alcohol although i,ve never seen an acoholic in there (normally down the pup or on 'the bench')...were in the s.east...local cdat pretty good really...considering some of the shit they take from people...

[humpledink]

oklahomolite...you are proper fucked if in an accident..no opiates are gonna help..all they can give u is Ketamin which whilst being alot of fun one cooked and shoveled up the nose... not sure how good a pain relief it can be when administered in hospital (dont think they,ll let you sit in your hospital bed wrapped up in bandages doing fat lines of K)..Just hoping not to get hit by a bus,sent to hospital and given an aspirin or two!!

[poppy]

implants range from around £300 for a 6 week one to £1000 for a year!...not cheap i know but with the cash saved it will pay for itself
Hi again Hump & Co, shit its not cheap is it? No wonder I don't know anyone who's got an implant. I take your point about money saved but you'd have to stop using to save up for the implant and if you stopped using to save up for the implant then you wouldn't need the implant anymore because you'd already have given up using! does that make any sense. Alternatively, if I borrowed the cash I'd be worried about letting not just myself down but the lender as well. Laters Poppyx

[earthenone]

Thanks Hump, and i think you are right about the K, although that would rock, uhhhmm, nurse, two more lines of K please, one for me, and one for my imaginary friend here, and make it fast, hes coming down and doesnt look happy....;)

[humpledink]

poppy..im v lucky to have a one of my family pay for mine...if wasn ,t for that i doubt i,d have ever got this far..(have to be off all opiates atleast 10 days)...complete fucking rip off really, only takes about 15mins to put in and stich u up!...for me (although im aprehensive) it makes sense coz of the money i could make once back to work...(worked all the time i used but spent every penny on gear)...i cant say i really want all this but i owe it to freinds n family....i
..money wise it does make sense..but like u say its getting the initial cash upfront...maybe ask your cdt if they know of anyway u can get it done cheaper..(i know there are back alleys doing it...but for something thats gonna be stuck inside u want it done right)..if someone is prepared to lend you the money u can atleast reassure them you cant do gear for however long the implants in...then the money you usually spend on gear can go to them (if they can wait for installments)...maybe by then u might 'choose life' n all that.... does that make sense..dunno..

[humpledink]

oklahomolite..think the only answer is to wrap myself up in cotton wool and stay in bed for 6 months....although may appear a little strange to friends, family and oh yeah.. my boss

[poppy]

Hi again Hump & Co, cheers for the information, but am now slightly confused, am I right in assuming that you've already kicked the gear and want the implant to keep u off, or have u still got that hurdle to cross, before u can have the implant? If u have kicked the gear into touch, how did u do it? Your partner is obviously well supportive being well on her way to total recovery herself, which mine isn't. I'm interested in how she managed to stay focused when u were still using.

PS Don't sound so guilty about having a good family, I'm lucky enough to have one too who have offered to pay for detox 5 in the past. I just know I can't trust my self never to use again at this moment in time and therefore risk wasting their money. It was bad enough admitting to such an addiction in the first place, after all I was no spring chicken but a 28 yr old mom of 2 doing a degree as a mature student. Anyway Good Luck. By the way don't worry I'm not about to do any dodgy naltraxone deals down a dark alley, I've got enought problems without deliberatly inviting any more. Good Luck. Laters Poppyxx
Also I'm intrigued as to what job do u do, it sounds very lucrative!!

[CRASHRUN]

I just got my second implant how ever they dont tell you about the side effects of the rapid deto or even the night after so listen up really good.
first they pump this shit into you to clean you out for nearlly 1 week I couldn t stop chucking and straight after because they did nt put me out i had this burning from my neck to my ass (like that burning of deeppeet but inside.
that was the start then came the holutionations and the non stop spewing when i went back to the clinic they just filled me full of more shit and sent me home then on day 4 after i was chucking up my own diarear I was taken to hospital with dehidration it wasnt like I didn t try to take fluids just every thing I took came straight back up even after you get back on your feet you still cant remember anything for atleast 1 week after that again.
I lost 5 kgs in 2 weeks I cant drink coffee because of the diarear and i cant eat shit, you only eat like oncee a day and when you do you just shit it out again.
the first implant I was given sept 2004 I ended up waking up in the lock up because I had asulted my partner, how ever Im normally a placid person and quiret and when I asked for a doctor they just threw me in a padded cell,
due to that night I landed myself 3 weeks in prison and I ended up on a 2 year order which im 8 months left of and that partner ended up stabbing me one night for no reason due to drug indused shychosis,
so side effects
first, burning sensation, loss of time (atleast 2 weeks), holutionation (cant be controled),stomach cramps,diarear, agression for days after,diarear ( still weeks later).
after diarear, loss of time, maby even love ones, remorse for god knows what and if you do something you cant remember any way but will be held accountable, you may seem normal but you just arent there for atleast 2 weeks, cramps al over, low tollorence to the cold,loss of lobeto (on the shit you loose that any ways)insomnian, a feel of emptyness and not being and the last thing is the unstability that you have to rebuild what ever you have lost so take note
IF YOU GET IMPLANTS ONCE DONT GO BACK TO THE SHIT IF YOU DO YOU MIGHT AS WELL KILL YOURSELF.
I don t know how I would be with out my present partner knowing me I would of died how ever just do the smart thing and leave drugs alone.
the other thing dont get implants if you just intend to chase rock or just drink piss all the time you might as well keep the habbit you already had.
and one other thing implants are permonant they wont take em out unless you go to a plstic surgen even then you need good reason to and alot of money so be aware and read as much as you can of the paper work that they get you to sign b4 and make shore you trust your carer or they will just leave you alone to die.
crashrun
implanted Gorge Oniel, PERTH , Western Australia

[JerZ JunkE]

Hi all, wanted to update you on my implant success.

About a month into that two month pellet I was sick of sobriety so I started using every so often to test and see if I could feel it yet. It ended up wearing off right around when it was supposed to and I went back to my habit and I quickly became worse than ever (IMPORTANT: I STARTED OFF USING VERY LITTLE PEOPLE DIE THINKING THAT THEY CAN GO BACK TO THEIR OLD HABIT DOSES RIGHT AWAY)

I am now a month into a three month pellet and thrilled to be off the dizope! Haven't substituted the rok or drinkin but I am smoking weed all day every day. Still smoking weed all day isn't really a "Drug problem" for me.

Side effects were the same but less severe this time. I combatted the sleeplessness with melatonin which worked like a charm.

Also, wait loss and lack of appetitite to a small degree. Wish this side effect was more pronounced I could loose a few pounds.

My summation on the implant: It is worth it. I hate my addiction. Love dope but hate the addiction and I know I can't control my use. This is great you don't even have to struggle in your mind. It is as free as I have felt in forever! I recommend it for anyone who even thinks they might want to sober up. There has been some indications that it might tax the liver a bit but it is worth it to me and the side effect would have to be pretty bad for it to not be worth it.

I just need to focus on two months from now when I plan on getting another one in. Just needf to make to that appointment!