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MorphineDreams
12-14-2005, 10:35 PM
What do you think is the strongest benzo from experience?

In my experience Temazepam(Restoril) has been consistently strong and never let me down, even in low doses. It is said that temazepam has the most profound and strongest effects of any benzo in equal anti-anxiety or insomnia doses. I read in a chart that 15 mg temazepam is equal to 7.5 mg Valium in it's efficacy to reduce anxiety, but temazpams effects like sedation are much stronger.

So what do you think is the strongest?

I have heard that it's between rophynol, versed, and restoril.

expo
12-15-2005, 01:03 AM
oops, i hit xanax instead of restoril.

jacky
12-15-2005, 01:34 AM
lately I have been taking miltirone and tanshinones which are partial benzo agonists that seem to cause no or little tolerance or habituation. they are found in the plant Dan shen, or salvia m. I take a 5x extract of the whole root.

I know a person who has dropped these compounds out of a solution of solvent extracted solution and smoked 20 milligrams of the material. basically this is a similiar procedure to extracting salvinorin a from salvia divinorum, the compounds are in the same class of compounds known in salvia d. diterpene compounds. maybe labdane diterpene I think. anyway the potency of some diterpenes is pretty damn strong.

my personal dosing experiences are with 1-4 grams of a 5x extract.

the plant has many positive actions claimed by herbalists, and I tend to feel great when using the product regularly, like ginseng. it is a little expensive, as far as some herbs are concerned, but worth it.

It contains the only over the counter benzodiazepines that I know of...............

The actual strength of the compounds I do not know, as far as the technical data is concerned. but in my experiences with it I seem to percieve some euphoria and psychoactivity beyond what I have felt from most benzos save for valium. I wont even take xanax anymore...I think tanshinones and miltirone are better than xanax by a long shot. valium is a stonger benzo than anything in dan shen I think......

Zoops
12-15-2005, 01:56 AM
Strongest benzo? You should have triazolam up there in you list - a.k.a. "halcion." I think that's even a little bit stronger than rohypnol. It comes in a 0.125mg and 0.25mg tablet. Temazepam, however, not as strong on a mg per mg basis, seems to have the best effects of any benzo for me however, so I agree on that count.

Any discussion of the "strongest benzo" should also consider those "non-benzo-benzo" drugs too, like sonata (zaleplon) and ambien (zolpidem) and imovane (zopiclone) and lunesta (eszopiclone). They are pretty whacked out too.

Paregoric Kid
12-15-2005, 04:02 AM
Triazolam and Midazolam are some of the strongest benzos.

fake benzos like zaleplon, zopiclone, zolpidem aren't anywhere near close to being considered as strong as some of the stronger true benzodiazepines.

check out the benzo equivalence table on this site: http://www.benzo.org.uk/

GMorris
12-15-2005, 09:22 AM
Triazolam is my favorite benzo, with Klonopin coming in second and good ol' Valium next. After that, they're all pretty much the same to me. I've yet to get any Rohypnol, but would love to give it a try. I used to think Klonopin was crap until I took them for a while. Once you get it in your bloodstream it'll fuck you up good. I think the main reason is its long half-life, if you only take it once in a while you'll probably notice that it takes a LONG time before it is completely out of your system. I guess it builds up over time as well. The only bad thing is when you run out the withdrawals are fierce and last for weeks (well, it seems like it anyway)!

shaunclo
12-15-2005, 11:25 AM
Yeah, the strongest benzo I have done is definitely Klonopin. I know there are stronger ones out there, but out of xanax, valium and klonopin, klonopin makes me wake up on the carpet wondering how the fuck I fell asleep on the floor.

paesan
12-15-2005, 12:39 PM
Are there any Benzo's which are unscheduled in the US??? Ones which may not be available here or are possibly just very new and not yet well known or approved by the FDA...

popasmurf
12-16-2005, 06:36 PM
brotizolam and ethyl loflazepate aren't schedualed in the us, yet.

paesan
12-17-2005, 05:59 AM
dude you fucking rock!!! I owe you one Pop...

sidman
12-17-2005, 09:55 AM
benzo's= my worst enemy! why? well, every frickin' time i took 'em, i would totally come out of character and do something retardedly stoooooopid!! I voted for flunitrazepam, which, if i remember correctly, come in 1, or 2mg doses. my second vote would be clonopin and it also has the same effect on me. Is anyone curious as to what I would do when on benzo's? If not,then too bad,I'm tellin' ya anyway's.......
I am first and foremost, a dope addict! anything opiate is my game! But a choice few times I have done benzo's when I could not get my dope, then I would have a few drink's. Well, what a mistake, because NOW, I'm driving my bosses truck (without permission ) all over his resort ( where I worked and lived ) and I'm smashing through bushes,rolling down the hill's (leaving track's in the pristine lawn of his) to the bottom,where,I become stuck in the soft muddy grass. Now, you would think I would stop there,but do I? OF COURSE NOT!! In my whacked out daze,I have the brilliant idea that I can pull this truck out of the mud,with another truck ( of my bosses!) and I go and get that one stuck also!! Anyone in the right mind would have stopped there you see, but I was not IN MY RIGHT MIND anymore!! So, I say "fuck it" and stumble off to find another truck, which of course, belong's NOT to me!
Flash!! I'm in a bar up the country road now, and I remember wondering how in the hell I was functioning like I was( if you can call it functioning!) and I was drinking a beer. Flash!! I'm back in the truck now, going down the good old country road,when BAMMMM!!! I smash into a telephone pole,wakin' up the whole frickin' neighborhood (people looking outside,dog's barking) and what do I do?
It's amazing how them benzo's keep ya calm in a time of crisis ain't it?! I get outta the truck, and I'm calmly picking up the peices of glass and plastic,then I pick up the bumper and put that in the back of the truck also. The whole time I'm doing this I can feel people watching me, but I don't mind!! They can watch.....why not? so,I get back in the truck just in time to hear siren's coming and so, not wanting to be caught,( I wasn't THAT fucked up now,was I?) I try to start the truck back up. SHE doesn't WANT to start........no, SHE has had enough of THIS shit!! But, me frantically pounding on her gas pedal and twisting the key ( almost completely off!) changed Her mind right quick, and She started for me. SO, I slam my foot on the pedal,and OFF I GO!! I took off just in time to look in the rear view mirror to see the red and blue lights coming around the corner, but they didn't make it around in time to see me rocketing the hell outta there. The resort wasn't far from the scene of the accident, so I got there pretty quick, parked the battered truck in the middle of the goddamn parkin' lot, and stumbled outta the truck,stumbled to my cabin,and(I think!) went to bed!!
FLASH!! ( last one,promise!) I wake up to my boss kickin' in my door (why?) sayin', in short term's, " what the fuck happened here last night?" I dazedly look around my room, which is in complete chaos, with a peice of chicken' burnin' in an electric frying pan, and I calmly say ,"what?" He say's," come with me!!" and I go with him.........and we walk in silence to the front of the resort. It's a beautiful morning isn't it? we climb the hill, and as we come over the top, we arrive just in time to see the sun rising on the wreckage of my previous night. TWO truck's lined up, stuck in mud,and in the distance,ooooooh, LOOK!! ANOTHER ONE!! BASHED TO TATTER'S!! In the sea of lawn were track's circling about ,winding all over the place, skidding here, skidding there, yeah, everything look's DIFFERENT in the mornin' sunlight doesn't it? My boss then look's at me and say's,"what happened here last night?" and being overwhelmed with all I saw, I say.....," I don't know" Soooooo, he say's," well, get to work, I'll find out what happened!" and I ( still in a hell of a daze!!) say, "okay" and I go to work.
The cop's come, and I am trying to play it off,and let me tell you I was doing pretty good, too,when,all of a sudden the owner of the bar call's and say's to tell me I forgot my wallet at the bar last night!! WELLLL,everyone look's at me and the owner say's, " How'd you get to the bar last night? You don't have a car." Being in the daze I was in, don'tcha know I could not answer? Not quick enough anyway's,and I just looked at them all with a retarded expression on my face!! So, the state trooper meander's over and casually click's on the cuff's. I'm dumbfounded how I got to this point, I lose the best job I ever had in my life, and when I finally arrive in my holding cell, I stare at the wall and slightly hallucinate a green blob moving around the jail cell wall. I remember thinking," I can't believe I'm seeing this!!" and finally I feel asleep. so, yeah, FLUNITRAZEPAM!! It get's my vote!! ( which isn't an endorsement either!!) and that's it for me!! SCREW BENZO'S! Definately NOT FOR ME,MAN!! I do have a couple other crazy thing's I did on them,but you get the point.

GMorris
12-17-2005, 11:38 AM
Now THAT story had me rolling, man! It reminds me of some similar experiences of the good old days. Though I don't think I ever got myself into that much trouble. Then again, there are a lot of things I'll never know of or remember at all for that matter...

Mastermind
12-17-2005, 03:02 PM
By "strongest," do you mean the most potent? (as in the smallest amount of drug produces a profound effect) I'm assuming you mean what's the strongest in "abuse potential" terms, which often does relate potency, but they are still 2 different things...

Anyway, I voted for clonazepam. Most people believe alprazolam is more potent, and these people are wrong. They are @ least equal. I take 2 mg clonazepam 3x daily. If I am low on my meds, I often find the "blue footballs" as a replacement, and I have to take 2 @ least to get me where one of my 2mg klonopins would have me. Valium, while it seems to have the most well-rounded effects and all, seems to be a lot less potent than I once thought it was...I'd need about ~45 mg of Valium to keep me from panic attacking if I my Klonopin supply wasn't there...

As far as strongest in terms of onset & sedation I would definitely agree with Versed & Halcion...They are used for pre-operation sedation primarily. I've never come across Versed out & about...

Just my "2 cents"...

Ez y'all
D

bogumil
12-17-2005, 10:42 PM
I used Diazepam for a long time, until I was at a single dose of 8 10mgs (80mg) then still drinking a beer. So they kind of werent that strong in my opinion. But that depends a lot on subjective things, like the mood, or if you slept enough, if your happy and so on. MY Ex GF was completely wasted after 2. What was funny, was that I stopped from one day to the other and had no WDs at all. Im not telling lies. I have no idea, why.

Then I got my hands on Rohypnol, which I take every now and then, they feel stronger than the Diazepam.

The Midazolam are said to be double as strong as Diazepam (thats why I voted for them), but I didnt realize that. They seem pretty much the same. The good thing about them is that they have a half life of only 2.5 hours. Compared to the 48 hours (or were it 24?) of Diazepam, this is great cause no hangover.

The best hit I always got from the brand Stilnox, I dont know the name of the active ingredient, that is no Benzo but something similar. They kick in great and have a halflife of 8 hours I think.

BTW: Do you just swallow your Benzos or do you let them dissolve under the tongue? I tried dissolving lately and I have the feeling that it kicks in faster and that the hangover isnt that bad. Am I imagining that, or does someone have similar experiences?

duke_nemmerle
12-18-2005, 05:06 AM
Strongest benzo? You should have triazolam up there in you list - a.k.a. "halcion." I think that's even a little bit stronger than rohypnol. It comes in a 0.125mg and 0.25mg tablet. Temazepam, however, not as strong on a mg per mg basis, seems to have the best effects of any benzo for me however, so I agree on that count.

Any discussion of the "strongest benzo" should also consider those "non-benzo-benzo" drugs too, like sonata (zaleplon) and ambien (zolpidem) and imovane (zopiclone) and lunesta (eszopiclone). They are pretty whacked out too.
Well without reading the choices that was my pick too. I've never had rohypnol or halcion, but I've always heard halcion was the strongest. Tell ya what though I got a sizable dose of I think ativan IM once for a panic attack at yon emergency room and that was the best I'd felt coming out of the hospital

Peripat
12-18-2005, 07:59 PM
BTW: Do you just swallow your Benzos or do you let them dissolve under the tongue? I tried dissolving lately and I have the feeling that it kicks in faster and that the hangover isnt that bad. Am I imagining that, or does someone have similar experiences?

Someone rather close to me does that with his Xanax, as he finds the effects to be similar to your reports. I'm not game to do that myself, though, as I think that Xanax tastes absolutely appalling! :p

paesan
12-19-2005, 02:49 PM
If I am low on my meds, I often find the "blue footballs" as a replacement, and I have to take 2 @ least to get me where one of my 2mg klonopins would have me.

That's cuz the blue footballs are only 1mg alprazolam...the white bars are 2mg. Clonozapam and alprazolam are equipotent in so far as overall effect on your body however I seem to black out easier on alprazolam. The only two car accidents I was ever responsible for occured during a xanax bender (they also occured within 72 hours of eachother).

With klonopin I seem to be able to stay in control for a little bit longer whereas xanax often leave me in the back yard on a tuesday morning with no pants on covered in whip cream next to a fat chick..."wait...what the fuck is that smell?!?!?" Why a tuesday morning you ask??? Cuz the last thing I remember is being at a keg party...on thursday. That's why I call em "time travlin pills"...

psychotiKK
12-19-2005, 09:35 PM
Hmmm... strongest benzo.. ? That is difficult to answer. I have only had experience with clonazepam, alprazolam, and diazepam. The first two have been prescribed to me in the past and present for Generalized Anxiety Disorder. I find xanax to be the most sedating of them all and the #1 benzo that will take away the last day or so from you. One time when I was trying to get some recreational value off some of my xanax, I started off chewing a few, then snorting a couple more. That is really the last thing I remember from that night.. the next thing I remember was having my parents shaking me, screaming, throwing water on me, and freaking out hoping I wasn't dead.. I ended up taking 13 xanax that night. I know in my right mind I would never take that much, but I guess I kept forgetting that I took any in the first place and continued to dose..

The most recreational in my opinion are valiums, as they seem to give me a nice euphoric glow for 15 or so minutes when they kick in, unlike the others. Xanax is the "strongest" though in my opinion, with klonopin coming up right behind it. Valium has a LONGGGGG half life, probably the longest of any benzo (I may be wrong, but it's up there) Xanax of course has the shortest half-life period and kicks in the fastest. I only use benzos to calm my anxiety, as I never found them recreational at all. I guess I'm lucky in that aspect as I have never became dependant on my meds, thank god.. benzo withdrawal sounds absolutely horrible.

Dendroaspis
12-20-2005, 12:23 AM
I've found through my experiences that the "strongest"(in terms of knocking you out - not potency) benzos are definitely flunitrazepam, temazepam and clonazepam. Alprazolam is also okay. But damn them temmies(restorils) and klonopins are off the chainz

Dendroaspis
12-20-2005, 12:36 AM
Though I'm in Detroit and I live right at the border. Canada has this one benzo called Nitrazepam or Mogadon. That shit is crazy too!!! i'd rank it up there.

Midozolam I think is overall the strongest because it is only available by injections and it's so powerful in it's effects I hear.

My rankings of strongest(not most potent or mg for mg strength, but overall total effect potential) benzos:

1. Midozolam
2. Temazepam
3. Flunitrazpam
4. Clonazepam
5. Alprazolam

psychotiKK
12-20-2005, 12:59 AM
Man.. any more then 1mg of klonopin turns me into a complete ASSHOLE!! I've only found this with klonopin strangely. One night I took 3mg for the hell of it and ended up telling my girlfriend off for no reason and I was generally in a shitty-ass mood. I'm not sure what made me so irritable on the kpins..

For me, anything more then one pill is a waste. One is plenty for killing off any anxiety. Any more then that and it's asking for trouble in my opinion. Taking more doesn't give me any euphoria, or make me feel any better, so I never understood why people would brag about how many xanax bars they ate in one night or what not..

tim75
12-20-2005, 02:52 AM
The avatar of the guy's head exploding, what's that from?

poppy
12-20-2005, 04:45 AM
Disturbingly fascinating isn,t it personally I think the clown ones pretty freaky too. Anyone else?

tim75
12-20-2005, 06:06 AM
Actually I can't stop watching it. It is so incredibly gory. It's like porn or something. Looks like the guy was assassinated from 4 different directions at the same time.

psychotiKK
12-21-2005, 11:48 PM
hahaha I forgot what movie it is from.. I just found it on the net one day and thought it was funny

Maybe Total Recall?

shainghi
12-29-2005, 02:21 PM
xanax is the strongest in my opinion.


i also have a question about kratom resin, has anyone tried useing the resin mixed with kratom powder? if so how did it make you feel?



What do you think is the strongest benzo from experience?

In my experience Temazepam(Restoril) has been consistently strong and never let me down, even in low doses. It is said that temazepam has the most profound and strongest effects of any benzo in equal anti-anxiety or insomnia doses. I read in a chart that 15 mg temazepam is equal to 7.5 mg Valium in it's efficacy to reduce anxiety, but temazpams effects like sedation are much stronger.

So what do you think is the strongest?

I have heard that it's between rophynol, versed, and restoril.

skeletontea
01-03-2006, 03:23 PM
I was prescribed clonazepam once as a sleep aid (I have REALLY bad insomnia), but I kept forgetting to fill out the sleep journal the doctor wanted me to write in order to keep the script. Now a different doctor may be giving me diazepam for anxiety. At first my ears perked up when I thought she said vicodin, but I then realized she'd said valium (I do have a great deal of pain, so I thought hydro might not be out of the question.)

I'm sure I could get opie scripts (with my back the way it used to be I could have gotten oxy.) However my Mom works in the mental health field (though personally I feel she's more suited toward the receiving end of its various applications), and she knows all about drugs (sort of).

When she found out I'd been given a script for clonazepam, she reacted the way one's parent might respond if they'd found a gun in their child's room. I'm sure she'll have the same reaction to a prescription for a weaker benzo as well.

Edit: Oh yeah, it took 2 mg of clonazepam to give me any effects (even as a sleep aid), I don't think that bottle of diazepam is gonna' last too long.

Paregoric Kid
01-04-2006, 02:30 AM
the exploding head is from the movie scanners directed by david cronenberg.

psychotiKK
01-06-2006, 03:31 PM
I think I may switch to diazepam from alprazolam. Valium acts as a muscle relaxer (i could definately use that) and xanax is known to be the most addicting and has the most severe withdrawals of all the benzodiazepines. I also remember diazepam making me feel euphoric a few times.

thbronze
01-10-2006, 09:41 AM
Strongest benzo? You should have triazolam up there in you list - a.k.a. "halcion." I think that's even a little bit stronger than rohypnol. It comes in a 0.125mg and 0.25mg tablet. Temazepam, however, not as strong on a mg per mg basis, seems to have the best effects of any benzo for me however, so I agree on that count.

Any discussion of the "strongest benzo" should also consider those "non-benzo-benzo" drugs too, like sonata (zaleplon) and ambien (zolpidem) and imovane (zopiclone) and lunesta (eszopiclone). They are pretty whacked out too.





Halcion?man i took that when i was 17(brothers)-fckin nut-felt like little weights tied to every muscle in my body.Funny thing was me and a buddy were meeting two girls-1 now my wife-while we were walking i kept kindof rolling off cars to help me stay walking strait.Upjohn xanax works best for me compared to rest,which i have also-switch off now and then

Kallie
01-11-2006, 08:34 AM
Sidman, your story had me rolling, too. Nice on a morning when I'm feeling a little shitty. Out of morphine, 120mgs and Norco 10/325. Insurance mail-order screw up. So, I have to take my documentation to Dr. and get new script (hopefully). In the meanwhile, I swalled a couple white Xanaxs and 3 specially mixed 15/80 Hydros. That helps. Plus, the funny post cracked me up. Thanks!

skeletontea
01-12-2006, 03:12 AM
I just realized I never updated on the prescription appointment. The psychiatrist I have who was going to prescribe a benzo for my anxiety instead prescribed an anti-psychotic off-label for depression (she even bragged that she uses everything off label.) The pill she prescribed, I discovered after doing some research (I research every drug before I take it, script or otherwise,) has the potential side effect of provoking Postural Hypotension. Considering I was at one time suspected to have Postural Orthostatc Tachycardia Syndrome, (as I had all of its symptoms*,) it was perhaps a foolish idea for her to prescribe this pill (which I have never taken.) It was later "concluded" by a cardiologist that the symptoms were brought on by heat, and dehydration (though I've noticed symptoms only occured under flourecent lighting.) Once Summer was over, I noticed a complete remission of symptoms exept for lightheadedness under flourecent lighting.

Even non-flourecent lighting makes me slightly dizzy from time to time (fortunately I've not experienced this to any great degree, or any of the other symptoms since last Summer, so I am definately doing much better.) When I have the option (basically whenever I am at home) I now live only by natural lighting from the window, and since I'm a night owl, I pretty much live in complete darkness (as this seems to stave off the lightheadedness.)

* Symptoms of POTS include dizziness in all patients, exercise provoked symptoms and thus exercise intolerance, excessive fatigue, nausea and abdominal pain, headache, shortness of breath and deep breathing, weakness, shakiness and postural anxiety, pallor, and neurocognitive loss (difficulty thinking). These occur on a day-to-day basis. The symptoms overlap with the case definition of chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS) and POTS is often found in CFS in the young. Fainting is relatively uncommon during daily life. - Local Vasoconstriction in Postural Tachycardia Syndrome (http://www.nymc.edu/fhp/centers/syncope/Local%20Vasoconstriction%20in%20POTS.htm#symptoms% 20of%20POTS)

Aside from those symptoms I once experienced profound hallucinations. I was also unable to lift a paperclip because I was so weakened physically, and the neurocognitive loss was staggaring. I had difficulty forming basic sentences and recalling simple words.


I wonder if my psychiatrist is in the back pocket of pharmaceutical companies, and prescribes what they pay her to prescribe. She seems nice, but I also suspect her of dipping into the drug samples she recieves. Her behavior is just,....odd.

RThompson
01-23-2006, 12:00 AM
In the immediate, Xanax.

Klonopin would be second, and mainly because it has a longer half-life.

exitwound
01-29-2006, 01:03 AM
I wonder if my psychiatrist is in the back pocket of pharmaceutical companies, and prescribes what they pay her to prescribe. She seems nice, but I also suspect her of dipping into the drug samples she recieves. Her behavior is just,....odd.

Trust your instincts. I suspect they are quite correct. =/

hovadagod
02-15-2006, 01:51 PM
If you need 2mg of klonopin to feel anything or sleep, you have some kind of sick tolerance to benzos, or you didn't wait long enough. They take a while to kick in but they are my favorate. I take 1mg each night. As for strongest, I find Xanax to be weak in terms of the actual feeling...it's subtle sort of unless you drink on it. But Halcion...that stuff is so so strong...I think they stopped using it b/c people couldn't remember what they did when they were on it. That stuff could knock you right out like no other benzo can. Klonopin's my favorate b/c it lasts a long time and you feel the stuff. Xanax is good but I can't even tell when it kicks in.

NARKOS
02-23-2006, 02:18 PM
Klonopin is one of the strongest Benzo's i have ever expierienced. I have tried various benzo's for my panic disorder(ativan,valium,etc.), but klonopin is by far the strongest. I take 1mg once a day and have been on it for ten years, it works amazingly well. If klonopin is abused above the recommended dose, it can severely fuck you up for days(because of its long half-life). I once took 2mg one day because i forgot i took the pill the night before, i was severely intoxicated for two days(slurred words,uncoordinated movements, and ataxia, and sensitivity to bright lights). Take klonopin with extreme care they can cause extreme amnesia, but used with care they are a god-send.
God-Bless

defenestrate
02-27-2006, 11:41 PM
the most consistently effective benzo for SWIM has definately been alpraz/xanax. SWIM went through a LOT of 2mg klonopin over a period of time, and it got to where SWIM (and a good friend of SWIMs to a lesser extent) would eat them like crazy. i mean like chowing 4 or 5 of these things (at least without drinking-alcohol + klonopin laid SWIM to waste a few times) would not prohibit SWIM from being able to function. SWIM would get a bit sloppy, and the edge would surely be taken off, but it wouldn't knock SWIM out- SWIM lost a tire once misjudging a turn because SWIM was pretty messed up off of ativan, but SWIM's tolerance shot up from regular use (SWIM seems to build tolerance extremely quickly to almost anything that puts most people to sleep) and SWIM got to where klonopin were practically nothing. never had horrible withdrawals either (though SWIM did get itself somewhat hooked on oxycodone before it ran out of klonopin). it never did halcion or roofies, and SWIM has not taken enough of any others (i.e. months worth if taken by recommendation) to make a good longterm judgement. in any case, among those 4 in order of potency (note that SWIM just didn't have enough xanax to build up in its system like the klonopins..):

xanax/alprazolam (usually 2mg)
klonapin/clonazepam (usually 2mg)
ativan/lorazepam (usually 2mg)
valium/diazepam (usually 10mg though when not personally acqured, 5mg were most common)


do i have a record for recurrence of "SWIM"? :rolleyes:

for what it's worth, paesan, argentinan alprazolm 2mgs look almost identical to the icon i chose here. at least, that's the rumor.

let me edit this just to mention this link as being somewhat practical for this discussion:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=benzodiazepine+equivalency+table&btnG=Search
the tables vary a bit, but generally appear to have mostly useful data.

antony
02-28-2006, 06:04 PM
my doc gave me a sample of NIRAVAM 2MG, which i believe is the equivalant of xanies 2mg, but they taste like orange and dissolve in your boca (mouth). i HATE benzos cuz of the massive hangover no matter of mg size. but i tried a half, and was wrecked.

any how, any one else try any of those, good bad experiences?

blahblahblah
03-03-2006, 04:08 PM
In my experience:

Versed [IV]
Halcion
and Good Ol' Xanax & Valium

Rectal doses of 50mg of Valium and 4mg a Xanax hits so fast as that euphoric waves rolls through your body.

_rlpsd.
03-06-2006, 09:29 PM
xanax turns me into a retard.
valium doesnt.
klonopin doesnt.
ativan doesnt.

i love xanax.

exitwound
03-07-2006, 05:38 PM
xanax turns me into a retard.
valium doesnt.
klonopin doesnt.
ativan doesnt.

i love xanax.

Oddly, I find that none of them turn me into a retard until I hit a dose that some might consider "recreational" -- e.g. disabling.

Klonopin makes me black out.

Ativan makes me queasy.

Xanax is just right, IMHO.

Somni Divine
03-09-2006, 07:09 AM
I HOPE YOU CAN ALL BEAR WITH ME, AS I HAVE A LOT TO SAY ON THIS TOPIC, AND HAVE SPENT MANY YEARS RESEARCHING ASPECTS OF THIS VERY QUESTION, I HOPE ALL WHO CARE TO READ THIS WILL FIND SOME ANSWERS OR EVEN MORE QUESTIONS TO PURSUE WITH THEIR DOCTOR HERE.
:rolleyes:
At first glance, it seems somewhat obvious that the answer to this question is very subjective, based not only on the question itself, but the vast plethora of answers it inspired. The reason, I think, is a little more in-depth than meets the eye.
Benzo's have been sub-categorized into two major "types" and then several other sub-groups within those two groups. The two major groups are "non-sedative-hypnotics" and "sedative-hypnotics" the latter having a significantly shorter half-life, and significantly harder initial "punch" to them. If you were to take ambien, or stillnox (the generic name) 10mg for the first time in your life, and fight the desire to sleep, it would be something akin to a trip on magic mushrooms without any fear (after all it is a benzo, it relaxes you while you trip out on the five televisions you are watching.). I believe that ambien is the most psycho-active of the sedative hypnotic class of benzodiazepines. However, as with all benzo's, tolerance is the problem. Take the same dose the second night, and you won't have the same effect, instead, you will have a new need - to have to double the dose to get to a place not nearly as good as where that first one took you. Halcion was one of the first sedative hypnotics and has been pulled on and off the market in the USA more enough times to give you whiplash if you are paying attention. I believe currently it is scheduled as a controlled major no-no (availability through foreign pharmacies if you are living in the US is something that varies from month to month.) The "new kid on the block" when it comes to sedative hypnotics is "immovane, or lunesta" it leaves a NASTY aftertaste that lasts all day the next day making almost any good it can bring you in relaxation or sleep almost not worth the anxiety you will experience because of your sensation of taste and the anxiety over your breath the next day. Your mouth will taste "septic" for lack of a better word, for at least the next 6-12 hours after awakening. NOT WORTH IT. The most fun can be enjoyed with ambien, and or halcion (triazolam) the two strongest (in my opinion) sedative hypnotics. Warning: unplug your telephones, and computer, and do not make any attempt to communicate with the outside world while under the influence of these sedative hypnotics. While they are an enjoyable escape, they should be used rarely, with sober supervision if possible at least the first time, and away from all stressors and communication devices. Seriously, disconnect the batteries from your communication devices and write down where you put them before you take the pills. You will thank me later.
SWIM once had a ten hour conversation with someone SWIM had met in a rehab after taking ten 10mg ambien throughout the day (about 100 mg total, and not a wink of sleep, by the way). The next day when the friend called, SWIM said how nice it was to hear from that person, since it had been "years" since they talked. Much to SWIMS embarrassment, SWIM had caught up, made plans, and had no recollection of the conversation the entire day before. Sedative hypnotics are best enjoyed in seclusion with a few good movies you have seen before, and a few good books you wouldn't mind reading again, and a journal to write down all the stuff you won't remember the next day. Sedonil and Restoril are much weaker versions of sedative hypnotics. Rohypnol perplexes me, and I have never used alcohol with it, which must be a catalyst (and a very dangerous one at that) to some of the things that have been recorded with it's use. A 10mg valium has been more effective.
As for the non sedative hypnotics, valium is the safest old standby. It is difficult to OD on valium, despite what you may have read or heard, it is one of the safest benzos available. SWIM has taken up to twenty 10mg valiums at one time; with absolutely no calming effect because the adrenaline was already in overdrive by the time the medication was taken. This can be seen in animal studies where a more "highly strung", smaller breed of dog such as a terrier shows no reaction to 10mg of valium while a more "mellow" breed with five times the body weight, like a Boxer, is turned into a metaphorical bowl of dog jello within twenty minutes of administration and the effects can last for twenty four hours or more. The high strung breed with a body weight of 10 -15 lb. (that in a human child would more likely than not result in an overdose or death) is virtually unaffected by the same dose of the same benzodiazepine that knocked out a dog five or more times it's weight!!!
I have no doubt that different metabolisms and varying physical constitutions, anxiety and adrenaline levels, combined with innate predisposed chemical reactions etc. make the answer to this question difficult, if not impossible to provide in a general "one fits all" type of answer. Every benzo acts different on every individual, and you will have to find what works best for you. Sometimes a combination of vistoril and valium or klonipin and/or other benzodiazepines work best. Doctors often use a "cocktail" presurgically to calm their patients and take them into a "twilight sleep" or state of relaxation. No single benzodiazepine or dose thereof, standing on it's own merit is the answer for everyone - it is much more individualized. Tolerance and temperament play a key factor. Someone who has never had a benzo can be looped after 2mg of valium, while a more high-strung person may only feel the effects for twenty minutes - if they are lucky.
All this being said, it is a good idea to rotate benzodiazepines if you feel that you will need to take them for a long period of time. This will prevent a tolerance developing to any one specific type. They all have slight chemical variations that can make a world of difference in reacting with your individual body chemistry.
One benefit of abstinence is that tolerance does not seem to be as cumulative as it is with opiates. In other words, if you abstain for a year or so, you are probably closer to a normal tolerance level than you would be in the case of an opiate.
Personally, I believe Dormicum and Mogadon (which come under many other names depending upon the country of origin, etc.) are two of the best non-sedative hypnotic benzodiazepines. Perhaps because they are slightly “sedative hypnotic”.
The half life will vary from person to person, metabolism to metabolism, chemical make-up to chemical make-up, and the equation of tolerance must be factored in. Your best bet is to try a benzo you have not tried before, and to figure out what your goals are in using the medication. Do you need something that will work long term, or short term? How quickly do you become tolerant of medications? The best advice to find what will work the longest and be most potent is to experiment until you find what works, and stick with it until it doesn't work as well. Then immediately switch to a different type or brand of benzodiazepines if you are still in need of their medical and psychological benefits. Be sure to be aware of the potential to become addicted, and try to undergo periods of "fasting" at least two weeks at a time from any benzodiazepine. Try herbal remedies, like GABA, skullcap, melatonin, and opium lettuce. I'm sure that other members could suggest even more helpful remedies along those lines, such as possibly kava, and valerian as well - although I have found less success with those two out of all of the herbal options. I was surprised to find catnip is helpful, so experiment with what works for you.
I guess I just don't think that there is a pat answer to the question. The closest would be klonipin or restoril in social situations or the right dose of lorazepam i.e. ativan (best choice IMHO) which tends to "loosen" some people up without affecting memory or making them too tired unlike xanax and valium may be more prone to do.
And then of course, outside of the benzodiazepines, a more serious option is available in phenobarbital and the barbiturates. These tend to give much more of a "hangover" , have much more risks involved with overdose, etc, but if you are looking for some quality sleep sometimes they are a better solution. The main thing I cannot stress enough is that you talk to a trusted psychiatrist, who is trained in this field and will be willing to work with you to find what works. There is no "one size fits all" answer, despite all of the chemistry that tells us so much about the medications, there is no one that can help you find the right medication better than a doctor who is familiar with your body's chemistry and metabolism. The charts are based on broad generalizations, and you are an individual with a unique chemical make-up that makes everything on those charts absolutely worthless except in figuring out how they apply to you as an individual.
I really hope that this helps. I have devoted a great part of my studies to benzodiazepines, what works, and what doesn't, and why. The biggest problem is when we ignore the largest part of the chemical equation, which is your unique body chemistry and metabolism and try to make the charts fit you instead of the other way around.
I know it can be a frustrating struggle to find the right thing that helps, and it may not be so simple as "what is the strongest benzodiazepine?" Unfortunately, it is much more complicated because the only way to find the answer is to find out which is the strongest benzodiazepine FOR YOU, and AT THIS TIME.
I wish you the best in your quest, and I hope perhaps you, and others on the board will find this far too lengthy discourse on benzodiazepines helpful in some way. If so, please let me know, and if I have spent too much time on something that everyone has already formulated opinions on, please just tell me and I will try not to do it again. I do not want to come across didactic, but certainly hope that my years of research and experience in this particular area will be enlightening to some of the members of the group. It is my goal to be a help, and not a person who takes up a lot of space with useless information that could be better put to use in some other forum. So, I am, as always, open to constructive criticism and questions and again, hope I have been of some help, and not created more questions than answers.
Be well, and may your quest lead you to exactly what you have been seeking, and may you know it beyond a doubt :eek: when you find it. Best wishes to all.
Sincerely,
Somni Divine

_rlpsd.
03-20-2006, 01:54 PM
Oddly, I find that none of them turn me into a retard until I hit a dose that some might consider "recreational" -- e.g. disabling.

Klonopin makes me black out.

Ativan makes me queasy.

Xanax is just right, IMHO.

i WAS talking about a recreational dose :P

exitwound
04-11-2006, 12:12 PM
i WAS talking about a recreational dose :P

:rolleyes: :D

Opiyum
05-05-2006, 05:01 PM
I posted this question in another thread but its going to disapear soon. Simply put. Has anyone seen the new Xanyx that are for sale.
I got one from my guy yesterday. Its a reddish football with the markings wp or dm. He has been giving me free Benzos for a month now because I dont think he realizes what they are. These supposed new Xanies are the identical shape of the peach G1372's (i think thats the mark...dont feel like checking) just slightly bigger.
Having searched three ID sites and having called poison control and finding no results whatsoever is leaving me with a very confused look on my face.

Anyone seen them? Im thinking they are really new like this week type shit. Or someone mentioned they could be from overseas but I dont think my guys connecks could get stuff like that. regardless does anybody know of any worldwide Pill ID sites?

vanilla_mlkshake2007
05-06-2006, 02:45 PM
Damn this poll blew me away I mean I've tried Klonipin and they never worked well for me,I actually wanted to get switched back to my Valiums (and was),I also take Somas once in a while during the day .The dr. prescibed them for back pain for me years ago,and now that I'm going to a Suboxone Maitenence program,that dr prescribed the Somas to help with the withdrawels and spasms you get from addiction.He gave me 90 a month and I also get 30 of the 10mg Valiums to go along w/ my 90 8mg. subs,but I really thought valiums would blow the other Benos outta the water.I guess maybe the 10 mg. valiums and 3 a day soma combo is whats working for me right now.

stalemate
05-09-2006, 04:46 AM
hey Yall,
Scored 150K-pins tha other day (mail-order).
Findin' that 1st few times alright, then tolorence builds.

I've taken up to 10mg (in1go) also
as i was headin' to 10mg i w/drink alcohol 2.
I find that i need at least nearly 8mg w/loads
of alcohol or sum opiates. 2 get off!

Is XanaX Temazepam or Rohypnol any better?

Dendroaspis
05-11-2006, 11:08 PM
Somi Divine:

You got it all wrong there...who on earth told you restoril was a "weak" sedative-hypnotic?

It is in fact, the most powerful hypnotic out there on the market today (along with nitrazepam and rohypnol).

They are PROVEN hypnotics. Ambien, Sonata, and all those are fakes and don't even compare to any of those true benzo or the old barbiturates (secobarbital and amobarbital).

Temazepam might not be mg for mg potent, but it's effects sure as hell are strong. They fukk up me more then xanax do anyday of the week.

Fact is Temazepam, Lorazepam, Flunitrazepam, Alprazolam, Clonazepam and Midazolam are the most addictive benzos - it's a proven fact.

Somni Divine
05-12-2006, 07:42 AM
Somi Divine:

You got it all wrong there...who on earth told you restoril was a "weak" sedative-hypnotic?
It is in fact, the most powerful hypnotic out there on the market today (along with nitrazepam and rohypnol).
They are PROVEN hypnotics. Ambien, Sonata, and all those are fakes and don't even compare to any of those true benzo or the old barbiturates (secobarbital and amobarbital).
Temazepam might not be mg for mg potent, but it's effects sure as hell are strong. They fukk up me more then xanax do anyday of the week.
Fact is Temazepam, Lorazepam, Flunitrazepam, Alprazolam, Clonazepam and Midazolam are the most addictive benzos - it's a proven fact.

I wrote that a LONG time ago, but no, I am definitely NOT WRONG on this subject, trust me.
Midazolam, IS Versed or Dormicum, and it is DEFINITELY the STRONGEST by any means, ask a doctor. Restoril is a completely different type of benzo, mostly used for seizures, and it isn't one I would want to risk addiction to because any benzo can cause seizures and worse during withdrawl and the MOST LIKELY candidate to cause seizures is restoril, K-pin, whatever you want to call it.

I don't believe anything I'm told and little of what I read. But I do a lot of research and I am ALWAYS right - who told YOU I'm not? :cool:

MorphineDreams
05-13-2006, 04:39 AM
Actually Somni, you are wrong and Dendroaspis is right.

Temazepam is not for seizures, it's for insomnia. It's a powerful hypnotic. Proven in the lab to be more sedating then any other benzo on earth. check it out, it's a scientific fact.
I also recall reading a paper about benzo and euphoria - temazepam statistically had the highest rate of reported euphoria by patients. I believe 6% reported euphoria on temazepam in a study and it was the highest of any benzo, second was klonopin at 5.3% and then rohpnol at 5.1 %.

Temazepam is also the most widely abused benzo in europe, believe it or not. Like xanax in the US, restoril in europe.

MorphineDreams
05-13-2006, 04:41 AM
I guess when statistics and scientific facts come into play - our own opinions and beliefs just become our own and not "true".

Somni Divine
05-13-2006, 07:37 AM
I guess, Morphine dreams, but you need to improve your reading skills. I did NOT say what you said I did.
I said klonipin is primarily for seizures. Versed aka dormicum and midazolam aka nitrazepam or mogadon are the strongest according to my research and my experience.
If you can't even quote me right, I really have to wonder about your "statistics and scientific facts."
It's okay, as someone else in here says, you can agree with me ... or you can be wrong.

:argue:

Opiyum
05-13-2006, 01:00 PM
Restoril is a completely different type of benzo, mostly used for seizures,

Apparently you cant quote yourself right.Temazapam is for sleep it says so right on the blue and red caps. You do know Temaz is restoril right? your witty reply will let me know thats true Im sure.


restoril, K-pin, whatever you want to call it.

What do mean by what ever you want to call it. Are you saying they are the same..cause they're not.

Somni Divine
05-13-2006, 01:19 PM
I hope you are going to give me a break for admitting it, but NOW I see my mistake. I always get rivotril and restoril mixed up. JUST the words, not the drugs. NOW does it make sense. I did screw up. And I am the first to admit it.
There is even a reason, and it's not that I'm drunk ... but I won't get into it, since I see there is little room for excuses or even explanations for bad moods and confusion unless your name is something other than mine.
THANK YOU for pointing out my mistake. It was huge, but you are the first person who took the time to explain what I was saying wrong. Now I get it. SORRY. I am talking about klonipin, and calling it the wrong name. Please don't give me any more bad points. I admit I was a stubborn idiot and and now going into hiding.
I know .... applause .....

Somni Divine
05-13-2006, 01:22 PM
Shit, I screwed up again, I mean I am the LAST to admit it, because I was the last to notice. SHIT. I'm going to bed.
This is obviously one of those days when I should stay there.
Enough mogadon should keep me there.
I'm really leaving now. With my tail tucked, my dunce hat on, and all the rest.

Opiyum
05-13-2006, 01:58 PM
Its cool we all make mistake and Ill tell you right now I've been a HUGE asshole tody which isnt normal for me and Ill pay for that im sure but I got a tone with you cause you got a tone with MD but you've shown you can taste your own medicine and not bitch about it. Much respect for your addmition of being wrong. It takes alot lot.
The points I took from you were from a different thread involving some rude comments towrads Codd and his DD thread. Return the favour I dont care like I said, here and in that post, Im in a weird mood today and dont give too fucks about anything..

In my opion we all should know always whos doing what to who in the points department....Goddamn im in a weird mood

bogumil
05-13-2006, 02:23 PM
I changed my opinion. Yesterday I took 1/4 Xanax the first time (I was already on 200mg morphine and 250mg H) and, man, it knocked me off my feet. Great stuff.

I would fall asleep with a great euphoria and body feeling. 20 minutes or so later I woke up cause I had difficulties breathing. Do you know this body-dreams, that tell you when something is not working right? Like you cannot breath or cannot move or your chest is feeling very tight. This dream woke me up and I was really out of breath. So a bad idea maybe to take it together with opies, but a great effect.

MorphineDreams
05-13-2006, 08:02 PM
I guess, Morphine dreams, but you need to improve your reading skills. I did NOT say what you said I did.
I said klonipin is primarily for seizures. Versed aka dormicum and midazolam aka nitrazepam or mogadon are the strongest according to my research and my experience.
If you can't even quote me right, I really have to wonder about your "statistics and scientific facts."
It's okay, as someone else in here says, you can agree with me ... or you can be wrong.

:argue:
No, you did claim that Temazepam (which is Restoril) was a weak sedative-hypnotic.

Here is what you said in your big post:
"Sedonil and Restoril are much weaker versions of sedative hypnotics"

Those were your exact words and Dendroaspis corrected you. Sedonil is Bromazepam and is for anxiety (it acts just like all other benzos, but with moderate effects, weaker then Xanax but stronger then Serax (oxazepam).

Restoril on the other hand is a whole other story. It is a hypnotic, prescribed for people with severe sleep problems. It is in FACT the most powerfully sedating benzo in the world. So how on earth can you say "Restoril is a much weaker version of a sedative hypnotic"? You were wrong and Dendroaspis corrected you. You then got all pissed because he corrected you and I came in and said he was right - because he was. The fact is Restoril is not the most potent mg for mg, but it is one of the most powerfully acting.

I do agree with you that Nitrazepam (Mogadon) is also very powerful and strong. it is more potent then Restoril is (5mg mogadan equals 15 mg restoril), but Restoril has stronger effects and is more widely abused.

Here is some very good info on Restoril:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temazepam#Pharmacology
http://www.a1b2c3.com/drugs/benz12.htm

Also if you can get your hands on a pharmocopia (from a pharmacy school book or something) - read up Temazepam (Restoril) and all the other Benzos. It gives scientific statistics from studies done on humans and animals.

Somni Divine
05-13-2006, 09:37 PM
I guess it all depends on what you are reading and where. This is directly copied from drugs.com:
Sedative-hypnotic-Alprazolam; Bromazepam; Chlordiazepoxide; Clonazepam; Clorazepate; Diazepam; Estazolam; Flurazepam; Halazepam; Ketazolam; Lorazepam; Nitrazepam; Oxazepam; Prazepam; Quazepam; Temazepam; Triazolam

Which is certainly NOT the only source I've used, try the PDR.

Somni Divine
05-13-2006, 09:42 PM
Its cool we all make mistake and Ill tell you right now I've been a HUGE asshole tody which isnt normal for me and Ill pay for that im sure but I got a tone with you cause you got a tone with MD but you've shown you can taste your own medicine and not bitch about it. Much respect for your addmition of being wrong. It takes alot lot.
The points I took from you were from a different thread involving some rude comments towrads Codd and his DD thread. Return the favour I dont care like I said, here and in that post, Im in a weird mood today and dont give too fucks about anything..

In my opion we all should know always whos doing what to who in the points
department....Goddamn im in a weird mood

THANKS, I needed that. Really. My mood sucks too and I never should have posted in that stupid thread in the first place. Don't you wish there was an "UNSEND" button or something, sometimes? This whole day has been one of those sometimes for me. Sounds like the same for you. Let's go to bed. (I'm looking forward to your response on that ;) )

Opiyum
05-13-2006, 10:07 PM
I've always found that bed is one of my favorite spots to be in with a woman...god damnit...I just spilled half a bowl of raisin bran all over the place...oddly enough that place is my bed. Which is where Ill be... sleeping in about half an hour. I'll see you there in what? Fifteen... Twenty minutes. I'll clean up the cereal and everything..

Curio
05-13-2006, 10:21 PM
I guess it all depends on what you are reading and where. This is directly copied from drugs.com:
Sedative-hypnotic-Alprazolam; Bromazepam; Chlordiazepoxide; Clonazepam; Clorazepate; Diazepam; Estazolam; Flurazepam; Halazepam; Ketazolam; Lorazepam; Nitrazepam; Oxazepam; Prazepam; Quazepam; Temazepam; Triazolam

Which is certainly NOT the only source I've used, try the PDR.

just FYI for everyone...drugs.com is rumored to be backed by the big pharm guys.... a lot of people that would love to influence people to buy certain medications...

pdr is about as appealing to most people as is reading a two volume BIBLE installment, lol

try ePocrates.com
good stuff! I use the online drug interaction checker which is a cool feature.

chemboy7
05-28-2006, 12:26 AM
Which is certainly NOT the only source I've used, try the PDR.

As far as I know, the PDR doesn't give Benzodiazepine potency equivalence... haven't seen any for any other drugs either. What year are you using and under what drug are you finding these charts?

PantyShot9
06-03-2006, 08:39 AM
In my experience:

Versed [IV]
Halcion
and Good Ol' Xanax & Valium

Rectal doses of 50mg of Valium and 4mg a Xanax hits so fast as that euphoric waves rolls through your body.

How do u dose just put it right up there? This would also work for Klonopin?

PantyShot9
06-03-2006, 08:39 AM
xanax turns me into a retard.
valium doesnt.
klonopin doesnt.
ativan doesnt.

i love xanax.

Story of my life.

handsome rob
06-03-2006, 05:31 PM
versed has to be the strngest on the list, then rohypnol. klonz are my favorite with aplraz a close second,

L0VE
06-03-2006, 07:37 PM
I take xanax for my anxiety and it has really worked great for me. I really does the job, so I'd say it's the strongest.

AceBeans
07-13-2006, 07:46 PM
I think Xanax is a stronger shorting acting version of benzo's compared to other common ones diazepam clonzepam etc. Thats why people get so severely addicted to Xanax, they are so short acting that you need to take them frequently. I had a friend that sold bud, A LOT of bud that had a bad Xanax habit. You would go over to his place and the next day you would tell him you were there last night and he would have no idea. His habit ended up getting the best of him and he died from either an OD on Xanax or he choked on his own vomit.

Versed I think is probably the strongest one of the list. The only time i've had it was pre op and they gave it to me IV. Talk about something calming you down QUICK, to bad I can't remember being calmed downed. I don't even remember being wheeld to the OR or anything, which is typical. They also gave me fent during the surgery and immediately gave me dilaudid IV when I woke up, man was that ever a nice feeling. The surgery only lasted an hour so I had a real nice cocktail of drugs going on. Fent Versed and Dilaudid, man I was flying like a kite after that.

Ended up having to go back 2 days after the surgery because I developed an infection, they had to admit me but I was ok with it. I was getting paid by my work and I was getting IV Dilaudid shots every 4 hours for the next 3 days. I had my eye on that clock 24/7, once it was nearly 4 hours I would call the nurse in for another shot. I think they started me out on .3 shots and I complained about it not working even thought it certainly was by the time I left the ER I was about to about 1 MG shots. Not to mention the 30 4 MG script they sent me home with. Ahhh, the joy of a kidney stone. No, seriously would not wish a kidney stone on my worst enemy.

Ace

PS I'm pretty sure we all have done stupid shit on benzo's but the guy with the trucks has to take the cake.

Soda
07-15-2006, 01:56 AM
Don't forget about Halcion

johnny27
07-15-2006, 08:30 AM
What is the name drug name for Versed? I've never heard of it here in the UK/Ireland, is it only IV usuage or also orraly?

hovadagod
07-15-2006, 08:41 AM
I agree that xanax is a strong short acting benzo. But there's no way it is strongest of all the benzos. Chlonazapam is stronger (and is much much longer acting). If you take 1mg Chlon or 1mg Xanax the Xanax will be less noticable than the Chlonopin. But the xanax becomes MORE noticeable when it wears away after just a few hours. Then you're looking for more thinking about how strong xanax is. The Klonopin does not share that problem and is less noticable in the sense that you don't think about needing more the whole time. Also, the chlonopin is just more noticable than xanax.

Versed....STRONG version of xanax if you ask me. IT's like xanax that really fucks you up. But I can't imagine that there is anything stronger than Halcion. .25mg and you're floored. It's the champ of all benzos in my book. HAlcion!

pinion
07-25-2006, 01:21 AM
I just have to say that this being an opiate forum, be fucking careful people, this combination kills opiate users!

Short acting is not directly equivalent to addiction potential with benzos but there are "trends." I've read that some are more "tightly binding" to the GABA receptors which has a direct bearing on addictive potential. Xanax is very tightly binding as is Halcion; Restoril/Temazepam is not considered to be very tightly binding and not considered to be as addictive as the former even though they are all fairly short acting.

Man, I got enough benzo stories to write a book. I hesitate to write most of them here though.. I used to watch people try and keep their eyes open long enough to light a glass pipe so they could keep their eyes open for 5 more minutes and peek out the window some more, 8/10 times they would just fall back out and try again in a few minutes.. This was kpin, H and maybeyouknowwhat.. Seriously bad fukin' news..

I was walking down the street one day and came across a junky chick I knew, nearly horizontal with the pavement if not for the pay phone handset that she was just literally hanging from by her hand. I was all like "Hey, wake up! You ok??" and she said she just got out of detox, took some kpin and just started falling out, not even on any dope. She was trying to cop but couldn't get a quarter in the phone (yeah, I just dated myself.) That stuff is no fucking joke, I used to come out of kpin blackouts with all kinds of brand new clothes and shit, still not really sure what happened except that I remember being in a really good mood..

Curio
07-25-2006, 09:08 AM
What is the name drug name for Versed? I've never heard of it here in the UK/Ireland, is it only IV usuage or also orraly?
midazolam hence the nickname: Dazzle

Triazolam generic for Halcion

both benzodiazepines with anxiolytic (and amnesia/hypnotic) effects

Brony
07-25-2006, 10:50 AM
My favorite benzo is a tie between Ativan and Valium. IMO, the strongest benzo would be Versed (just because of its amnestic properties, and how quickly it hits you). Second strongest would be Xanax, I'm not really crazy about it though. Oh yeah, can't forget about good ole K-pins.

halfalien_s4
07-25-2006, 02:39 PM
ive had xanax, ativan, valium, versed, restoril, klonopin, and serax....out of those, versed was definaly the strongest! it was right before my knee surgery and the anestheseiologist called it the "bedazzled giggle medicine" and he was right! i started slurring my words and giggling about stupid shit right after he put it in the IV......so funny it put everything in slow motion like a slow movie....boy i was FUBARed! i kept asking the same questions over and over & shit, it was hilarious...that time is a bit hazy tho....ive had versed a few times since then too for other surgeries and i gotta say its some cool shit!

Phluck
07-29-2006, 02:34 PM
She was trying to cop but couldn't get a quarter in the phone (yeah, I just dated myself.) .

Do you mean payphones cost more than a quarter where you are? That's crazy? Where do you live? How much do they cost?

Oh, and what about rohypnol(Flunitrazepam)? Anyone tried it? How strong is it? I'm not sure if it's commonly available anymore.

clinton
07-29-2006, 02:41 PM
do any of these mock opiates at all? i have tried xanax and valium and cant stand the zombie like state that im in after a couple of days.....i also have soma on hand, i dont know the drug categorization of these but i really dont like them either...

HeidiW
07-29-2006, 04:38 PM
Versed is strong as hell, isn't that used to put you to sleep before a medical procedure? That's what my Dr. gives me. I prefer Halcion, 1/2 mg. I used to take Dalmane 30mg for sleep, they weren't worth a fuck. Now, was Placidyl a benzo? I've been told THAT was the shit. Any thoughts on this? Oh yeah, about Rohypnol, a friend gave me one a few years back. I ended driving clear acrossed town, out to my place in the country, (about 12 mile) and absolutely have NO recollection of how I got there. I'd have to put Rohypnol up there with Versed, hands down.
I avoid Xanax bars at all costs, they killed my very best friend in March of 05. I take them as prescribed, just 2mg before bed.

MorphineDreams
07-30-2006, 10:15 PM
I just have to say that this being an opiate forum, be fucking careful people, this combination kills opiate users!

Short acting is not directly equivalent to addiction potential with benzos but there are "trends." I've read that some are more "tightly binding" to the GABA receptors which has a direct bearing on addictive potential. Xanax is very tightly binding as is Halcion; Restoril/Temazepam is not considered to be very tightly binding and not considered to be as addictive as the former even though they are all fairly short acting.

Man, I got enough benzo stories to write a book. I hesitate to write most of them here though.. I used to watch people try and keep their eyes open long enough to light a glass pipe so they could keep their eyes open for 5 more minutes and peek out the window some more, 8/10 times they would just fall back out and try again in a few minutes.. This was kpin, H and maybeyouknowwhat.. Seriously bad fukin' news..

I was walking down the street one day and came across a junky chick I knew, nearly horizontal with the pavement if not for the pay phone handset that she was just literally hanging from by her hand. I was all like "Hey, wake up! You ok??" and she said she just got out of detox, took some kpin and just started falling out, not even on any dope. She was trying to cop but couldn't get a quarter in the phone (yeah, I just dated myself.) That stuff is no fucking joke, I used to come out of kpin blackouts with all kinds of brand new clothes and shit, still not really sure what happened except that I remember being in a really good mood..

Who gave you the idea that temazepam is any less addicting than Kpin or Xanax? Any sources or evidences for your claims?

Temazepam/Restoril is actually the MOST sedating of all benzos, hence it is a HYPNOTIC.

Some facts for you here :

Temazepam (marketed under brand names Restoril®, Normison®) is a powerful hypnotic drug, which is a benzodiazepine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benzodiazepine) derivative. It possesses powerful anxiolytic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anxiolytic), anticonvulsant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anticonvulsant), amnestic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amnestic), sedative (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedative)skeletal muscle relaxant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skeletal_muscle_relaxant) properties.

Temazepam is an active benzodiazepine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benzodiazepine) with powerful hypnotic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnotic) properties and is the most sedating of all benzodiazepines. In sleep laboratory studies, temazepam dramatically decreased the number of nightly awakenings. Rebound insomnia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insomnia) was not observed after withdrawal of the drug. Temazepam decreased stage 3 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep#Stages_of_sleep), and combined stage 3 and 4 sleep, accompanied by a compensatory increase in stage 2 sleep, but did not alter REM sleep.

Temazepam is commonly prescribed for insomnia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insomnia) and other sleep disorders. Temazepam is considered to be one of the most addictive of the benzodiazepines and thus not suited for long-term treatment. Street terms include "rugby balls", "terms", "jellies", "mazzies", "beans" and "eggs".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temazepam

Flunitrazepam is considered to be one of the most addictive of the benzodiazepines, along with clonazepam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clonazepam), midazolam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midazolam), temazepam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temazepam), lorazepam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorazepam) and alprazolam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alprazolam).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flunitrazepam

Curio
07-31-2006, 03:18 AM
sounds like they are all "THE" most addictive, lol.....

DominHATE-ing :D propOgandA

pinion
07-31-2006, 03:27 PM
Who gave you the idea that temazepam is any less addicting than Kpin or Xanax? Any sources or evidences for your claims?

From:
http://www.breggin.com/minortranqs.html

"The short-acting benzodiazepines can produce especially severe withdrawal symptoms, because the drug is cleared from the body at a relatively rapid rate. These include Xanax, Halcion, Ativan, Restoril, and Serax. However, according to expert Louis Fabre in a February 1991 interview with me, tightness of binding to receptors is probably more indicative of addictive potential, and the most tightly binding are Xanax, Halcion, Ativan, and Klonopin."

The Fabre interview is commonly referenced in discussions regarding benzo addiction.

My post wasn't meant to minimize the addictive potential of ANY of the drugs in this family in the slightest, they are all highly addictive, just to add some insight into the mechanisms behind and relative risk of addiction.


Some facts for you here

Umm.. I really like wikipedia, I use it all the time but anyone can post articles with no guarantee of peer review or correction. I don't see any sources or credentials mentioned by the author of that Temazepam article, not that there is any mis-information but my point remains: be careful with your "facts."

I'll quote my sources in the future.

Babydollangel
08-14-2006, 05:18 AM
Damn this thread is getting long but I dont think I responded to it yet so since i see its active again I guess Ill throw in my 2 cents.

I have never been on any other benzo BUT xanax....6mg/day for 2 years then dr ALL of a sudden decides to taper me down to 0 in two weeks time....welll I tried this for about 2 days having panic attacks like crazy, waking up in cold sweats, running fever..OMG the horror of it all just thinkin about it !!!! I took all my scripts that i had left...( i have NEVER taken 6 mg/day like prescribed !!) so i had about a whole bottle of 90 left (that is what my monthly script is for ---90 of the 2mg bars...anyways i did a self slowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww taper that took nearly 8 months and went back in abaout 6 weeks ago and he put me back on them. i really do need to take them but im being careful remembering what i went through last time I was on them...a two week taper at this dosage was NOT going to happen and after doing research on it i found it was not safe either....sometimes drs dont know things I guess or else hed have known this.

anyways after takeing xanax im OUT for about an hour at the dosage prescribed which is why i dont take it that way..i break of pinches of it throughout the day and it keeps me from having nervous breakdowns as I am a sufferer of GAD.

dolofina
08-15-2006, 01:48 PM
In my experience, I would say Midazolam (Versed)...
used to help put me to sleep pre-surgery...
Now I am on Clonazepam (Klonopin)- but does not seem as strong
as the others listed, (except for Rohypnol, which i have not tried)
as i seem to need more of it (than some of the others)
to really feel anything.

medguy
08-26-2006, 01:16 PM
Strongest Benzo? Hmmmmmm, well I truely believe it is xanax I myself use to take about 2mg a day but finally was able to withdraw. I actualy read a book confirming xanax was the strongest benzo next to valium, the books title was xanax discussion (http://www.anxietybookstore.com/Xanax-Discussion.htm)

HeidiW
08-27-2006, 09:29 PM
I always get Versed before I am given an epidural. When I wake up, I know I'm really out of it.

sobermeth
08-28-2006, 11:34 PM
Flunitrazepam (Rohypnol) is the strongest of the benzos in my opinion, although its duration is much shorter than that of valium or others. It will knock you the fuck out...this is the benzo known as the date rape drug.

Woods
08-31-2006, 01:33 AM
I don’t know about strongest, perhaps temazepam, but my favourite would have to be oxazepam, also known as alepam, murelax, serax, serepax, and seresta. It is a metabolite of diazepam, however seems to bring me more happiness then its mommy.

jacobs ladder
08-31-2006, 02:17 AM
benzos are scary shit , especially when it comes time to come off of them. That withdraw is worse then any oxy withdraw i have ever experienced.

Seedy
09-19-2006, 05:25 PM
Jacky (very wisely) said:

lately I have been taking miltirone and tanshinones which are partial benzo agonists that seem to cause no or little tolerance or habituation. they are found in the plant Dan shen, or salvia m. I take a 5x extract of the whole root.

I know a person who has dropped these compounds out of a solution of solvent extracted solution and smoked 20 milligrams of the material. basically this is a similiar procedure to extracting salvinorin a from salvia divinorum, the compounds are in the same class of compounds known in salvia d. diterpene compounds. maybe labdane diterpene I think. anyway the potency of some diterpenes is pretty damn strong.

my personal dosing experiences are with 1-4 grams of a 5x extract.

the plant has many positive actions claimed by herbalists, and I tend to feel great when using the product regularly, like ginseng. it is a little expensive, as far as some herbs are concerned, but worth it.

It contains the only over the counter benzodiazepines that I know of...............

The actual strength of the compounds I do not know, as far as the technical data is concerned. but in my experiences with it I seem to percieve some euphoria and psychoactivity beyond what I have felt from most benzos save for valium. I wont even take xanax anymore...I think tanshinones and miltirone are better than xanax by a long shot. valium is a stonger benzo than anything in dan shen I think......
Jacky, you must have been some kind of shamen in a past life! Do these herbs really work? Where can I get some.
Have you noticed that when you mention anything herbal/holistic on this site you're completely ignored? I read your poppy seed maintenence story on Erowid (that was you, right?) and got reading up on those herbs. Pretty hard to find here at a good price but I have been taking Morinda Citrofolia daily for a couple of weeks & although I haven't cut down my daily opie regimen (no need really, it's no problem...) I have been feeling fucking great.

Any other good natural tonics/highs you know of?

Dr Benway
09-27-2006, 10:03 AM
My top ten;

1. Midazolam (dormicum,versed)............... Super-fantastic-great (elixir of the gods)
2. Triazolam(Halcion)................................ Super-fantastic
3. Nitrazepam (mogadon).......................... Fantastically wonderful
4. Temazepam.(restoril,norries)................. Super-wonderful
5. Diazepam(Valium)................................. Wonderful
6. Lorazepam(Ativan)................................ Lovely
7. Clonazepam.(Klonapin).......................... Mellow
8. Alprazolam(Xanax)................................ Chilled
9. Flurazepam(Dalmane)............................ Nice
10. Oxazepam(Serax)................................ Ok (no,actually sh*t, better than nothing)

:rolleyes: Hmmm

Of course dosage plays a part in this, as does tolerance

Just my humble opinion

The Doc

tigerlily
10-14-2006, 08:48 PM
Clonazapam...but has anyone tried seroquel. I use it for insomnia or to chill me when I get Manic..They will knock you on your ASS

SpecialGuy69
10-14-2006, 09:22 PM
from experience id have to say klonopin (sp?) but I've only had a few- xanax, valium, atavan, klonipan My roommate is a super-duper benzo head, loves em more than I loves 80mg oxys, and he prefers the oddball stuff like rohipnol (which is probably chemically the strongest)- probably b/c he can't get em, just like i would sell my left nut and right ear for some oxymorph right now, even tho i have perfectly good morphine right here.

oh, and for quality of buzz instead of just strongest, it's gotta be xanax- even my dad and grandma enjoy em (both are clean as it gets)

do you guys think theres really as much diversity and difference in benzos as there is in opiates? like how you can tell a morphine buzz from a oxy from dope, etc? my roommate swears there is.

Benzos are something your doc gives you to trade for opiates. and a good tool for w/d's, comedowns, etc. but mostly for trading up.

my .02.- as if you care.

SpecialGuy69
10-14-2006, 09:33 PM
oh ya- and seroquil, although (I think) its not a benzo, will leave you a quivering, drooling, self-shitting (shit selfing??), 48 hour sleeping, brain-dead mess of a slob! and not in a good way, either. what a un-fun drug! I think the only thing it's good for (unless you have whatever fucked-up condition it's prescribed for) is knocking yourself out for the worst 2 days of w/d's. also the only drug i've actually seen someone crap themselves on.

seroquil=you wake up thinking it's tuesday morning and it's actually friday afternoon. i'm not a fan of seroquil.

Curio
10-15-2006, 12:42 AM
oh ya- and seroquil, although (I think) its not a benzo, will leave you a quivering, drooling, self-shitting (shit selfing??), 48 hour sleeping, brain-dead mess of a slob! and not in a good way, either. what a un-fun drug! I think the only thing it's good for (unless you have whatever fucked-up condition it's prescribed for) is knocking yourself out for the worst 2 days of w/d's. also the only drug i've actually seen someone crap themselves on.

seroquil=you wake up thinking it's tuesday morning and it's actually friday afternoon. i'm not a fan of seroquil.

whoah!! Losing several days (sounds like my drunken, alcoholic early years, prior to discovering PERCOCETS when 19yr old comaTOES had 3 wisdom teeth pulled....yeah so only HAD 3! No jokes about being dumb cause I only got 3 outta 4, lol...:(

then that whole crapping of one's self...never had the pleasure myself, :p

I did PISS myself one night when I was so comaTOES I simply didn't come around until my bladder made rebellious, executive decision and seemed to feel that those 10-12 long island ice teas needed GONE outta there ~ without taking the time to alert ye ole upstairs neighbor, name of Brain Consciousness
lol..

Well, now that I've posted something I'll prolly regret, let's change the subject!

I've run more calls on people who were DRUNK (alcohol ONLY) who shit AND!!/or ~ pissed themselves than all the drug emergencies combined...and I'm even talking drugged, (OD'd) DEAD people..

BigWaves
10-15-2006, 02:32 AM
Yup it's Rohypnol [flunitrazepam] ALL THE WAY. And I've done em all. The major differences are dose-to-response time and duration. Some have flatter curves than others but roofies are WAY more potent overall. The onset [20min±] is normal-to-rapid, the duration [6hrs±] I'd say moderate at best.

AWOL
11-04-2006, 06:49 AM
Clonazapam...but has anyone tried seroquel. I use it for insomnia or to chill me when I get Manic..They will knock you on your ASS

I take Seroquel, only thing that will put me to sleep. I used to be on 600mg, but with carefull planning around my sleep schedule and such I can usually now take 300mg and still get my 5-6 hours sleep. I agree though, 25mg would put most people down for 24 hours solid.

AWOL
11-04-2006, 07:09 AM
I never voted in on this thread, nor did I read it all .. but I'll add this. I've tried / have most of the benzos you can get your hands on. Temazepam is deffinetly the most pleasant, and per a study of benzos Temazepam was rated the "strongest" as far as sedation goes because it had the fewest number of nightly awakenings. But calling one or another the "strongest" is entirely relative. Strongest at what? Sedation? Reducing anxiety? Longest lasting / longest half life? Quickest onset?

In my personal experiences however (and I've been rx'd them all pretty much, unfortunatly they don't do anything for me now.) The strongest Benzo experience I've ever had, was Clonazepam (If I recal right in South America it's called Rivotril) ... That's not however based on it's chemical structure ,, but because I was given it in a little jar with a dropper stick. The second it hits your tounge, it's comparable to the rush you get when you first slam H, but a benzo rush. I don't know if they even are allowed to produce the stuff in the US or not, but if you're looking for the absolute strongest rush from a benzo (Not considering slamming it. I'm talking what it was actually intended for. But yeah, you could obviously slam it if you wanted to.) It comes in a bottle full of liquid.

EDIT: I just voted, I voted Temazepam, though I think it's all relative. I'm really absolutely shocked it received so few votes though. Looking at the polls I have to wonder if some votes were placed just based on the 1 or 2 benzos people have encountered at their dealers, or in their parents medicine cabinets. I have to admit that I'm surprised people think so highly of Alprazolam. I don't think there's anything all too special about Xanax, but I know it's popular so probably a lot of availability at peoples dealers. I'm even more surprised that Diazepam got any votes at all. Maybe voted by people who enjoy long lasting benzos for stabalizing anxiety ?? The cynic in me says maybe those two votes were cast because Valium is so well known. It's probably the most well known of all the Benzo's. I'm guessing Midazolam recieved so many votes because it's water soluable and has a rapid uptake, but a relatively short duration. Also, how do casual users know the difference from one benzo to the next. Most people aren't rx'd high doses of benzos, so it would be hard for a casual user to know if what they got was the low end of the stick, or the high end. Benzos like everything else don't match up mg to mg, so that would skew someones opinion of one over the other if they just happened across them at a dealer or in a medicine cabinet or something. And just thinking about them all makes it really hard to put your finger on a single one as "strongest" because they're all so different. Not really sure what "strongest" constitutes.

Duckfeet
11-25-2006, 09:58 PM
The Veteran's Administration is allowed to negotiate in bulk for drugs from the manufacturers...which is why vets all over tend to get the same drugs, for the same conditions. They have other ones, but it seems their benzo of choice is lorazepam. The lower opiate of choice is hydrocodone pills, (generic vicodin). If you are a vet, and like either of those two, I've never found them hard to get. I'm on subutex, myself, 8mg daily, and tonight had to do a food thing with inlaws and such, and was *not* into it...I took one of my 1mg lorazepam, and got seriously opiated...seemed like it kicked in the sub...

My methadone maintenance days taught me to be leery of daily benzos. The flick "Methadonia" and my own experience taught me that many of the basket cases on methadone, also have serious benzo habits. You see the old guys--guys my age--can't hardly put a sentence together, get all stumbledown shakey and crap...always seems they be doing methadone and benzos....now this *might* not mean anything, but it made me be leery of taking daily benzos w/my dose...and now on subs...same deal...

Bastian
11-25-2006, 10:43 PM
I never voted in on this thread, nor did I read it all .. but I'll add this. I've tried / have most of the benzos you can get your hands on. Temazepam is deffinetly the most pleasant, and per a study of benzos Temazepam was rated the "strongest" as far as sedation goes because it had the fewest number of nightly awakenings. But calling one or another the "strongest" is entirely relative. Strongest at what? Sedation? Reducing anxiety? Longest lasting / longest half life? Quickest onset?

In my personal experiences however (and I've been rx'd them all pretty much, unfortunatly they don't do anything for me now.) The strongest Benzo experience I've ever had, was Clonazepam (If I recal right in South America it's called Rivotril) ... That's not however based on it's chemical structure ,, but because I was given it in a little jar with a dropper stick. The second it hits your tounge, it's comparable to the rush you get when you first slam H, but a benzo rush. I don't know if they even are allowed to produce the stuff in the US or not, but if you're looking for the absolute strongest rush from a benzo (Not considering slamming it. I'm talking what it was actually intended for. But yeah, you could obviously slam it if you wanted to.) It comes in a bottle full of liquid.

EDIT: I just voted, I voted Temazepam, though I think it's all relative. I'm really absolutely shocked it received so few votes though. Looking at the polls I have to wonder if some votes were placed just based on the 1 or 2 benzos people have encountered at their dealers, or in their parents medicine cabinets. I have to admit that I'm surprised people think so highly of Alprazolam. I don't think there's anything all too special about Xanax, but I know it's popular so probably a lot of availability at peoples dealers. I'm even more surprised that Diazepam got any votes at all. Maybe voted by people who enjoy long lasting benzos for stabalizing anxiety ?? The cynic in me says maybe those two votes were cast because Valium is so well known. It's probably the most well known of all the Benzo's. I'm guessing Midazolam recieved so many votes because it's water soluable and has a rapid uptake, but a relatively short duration. Also, how do casual users know the difference from one benzo to the next. Most people aren't rx'd high doses of benzos, so it would be hard for a casual user to know if what they got was the low end of the stick, or the high end. Benzos like everything else don't match up mg to mg, so that would skew someones opinion of one over the other if they just happened across them at a dealer or in a medicine cabinet or something. And just thinking about them all makes it really hard to put your finger on a single one as "strongest" because they're all so different. Not really sure what "strongest" constitutes.

I can testify for you. I too, have heard unbelievable things about the overlooked Temazepam. From my exprience, it has been able to knock me out on my ass harder than almost any other benzo. It might not be mg for mg potent, but, it's side effects are highly profound and intense. Temazepam has caused a crisis in many parts of europe in terms of abuse. In fact, i've read that temazpam is becoming a "primary" drug of abuse. Usually, most benzos are secondary to heroin, coke, morphine etc. But there are heaps of ppl in the UK, scotland, new zealand, australia, germany and the netherlands that check into rehab with temazepam as their "primary" drug of abuse. This is a first in terms of benzos. It's basically the "heroin" of the benzos.

Bastian
11-25-2006, 10:48 PM
ALso, just want to state that in a study done on benzo dependence liability, temazepam ranked highest in euphoria.

chemboy7
11-25-2006, 11:02 PM
I can't believe that this thread keeps growing and growing; that people are really this interested in which Benzodiazepine is stronger than the other. While benzos have many uses that they work great for, IMO, they are shitty recreational drugs. Even if one really enjoyed the high that they produce, once a benzo becomes so strong it is just going to knock you out and erase your memory. You do fucked up shit that you normally wouldn't in those blackouts too, not a good combo. Benzodiazepines are also some nasty drugs when it comes to WD, so much more severe than Opaite withdrawl, and I would assume that the stronger/longer acting they are the worse/longer the WD would last too.

Duckfeet
11-26-2006, 02:32 AM
I can't believe that this thread keeps growing and growing; that people are really this interested in which Benzodiazepine is stronger than the other. While benzos have many uses that they work great for, IMO, they are shitty recreational drugs. Even if one really enjoyed the high that they produce, once a benzo becomes so strong it is just going to knock you out and erase your memory. You do fucked up shit that you normally wouldn't in those blackouts too, not a good combo. Benzodiazepines are also some nasty drugs when it comes to WD, so much more severe than Opaite withdrawl, and I would assume that the stronger/longer acting they are the worse/longer the WD would last too.

Yep: and like I'd posted elsewhere here, combining'em w'methadone maintenance is something to be careful of. In the old days, at the V.A. hosp. in Houston, before they shuffled us off to private clinics, u could often get scripts of valiums or other benzos along with the methadone. And all the guys, particularly the old guys, that *never* got off methadone, always did benzos, and always seemed kind of lame, you know, kind of stupid. Just couldn't walk good, acted like little kids, cried real easy, just didn't seem right in the head or in coordination. And then years later when I see the movie methadonia, I noticed some of those guys acted the same way, and were also on benzos.

Nothing that I know scientific, and I know lots of people on here on methadone maintenance, take benzos, and are all right with them. No sweat. Just something I'd noticed, and something I never wanted to be. and a guy just posted tonight about some in-law of his did too many benzos and methadone, and is now *all* fucked up....permanent like.

Something I'd just always noticed in V.A. hospitals. I mean they pretty tight with good opiates now, in general, but on the psyche ward side, they give out lorazepam like it was candy, and then a lot of these vets are on methadone maint. too, so I worry sometimes.

chemboy7
11-26-2006, 02:38 AM
^^^ Yeah, while all Opaite agonist are potentiated by Benzodiazepines, Methadone is in a class of it's own with it comes to combining the two. They really set each other off for some reason and if you get a good dose of a long acting benzo like Valium or something you can be really messed up for quite awhile with Methadone's long half life.

Duckfeet
11-26-2006, 02:48 AM
^^^ Yeah, while all Opaite agonist are potentiated by Benzodiazepines, Methadone is in a class of it's own with it comes to combining the two. They really set each other off for some reason and if you get a good dose of a long acting benzo like Valium or something you can be really messed up for quite awhile with Methadone's long half life.

Yeah, I had held onto this one lorazepam a while. but today I did it befor I went up Mom's for big inlaw cookout--I dreaded it--so I eat this lorazepam, and I had had my 8mg subutex this morning, and man I caught a load on....but it made me kind of stupid. Not for me. Reminds me of reds (seconal) and beer in bad old days, when I thought that shit was cool. Opiates don't do that to me. I like the feeling, but on opiates I still seem to have some snap. Hell, I never even liked to nod on heroin...made me want to get up and do something. Liked the rush, liked the feeling, didn't like to sit around and drool.

OxyContinuously
12-04-2006, 10:27 AM
I gotta say that Versed or nimetazepam or flunitrazepam are among the strongest benzodiazepines that i know of although like someone said, some of the triazolo analogs like alprazolam and triazolam are pretty damn powerful too.

AWOL
12-04-2006, 01:44 PM
Strongest what though? It's all relative to what strongest implies and that was never clarified in the original post.

L0VE
12-09-2006, 11:32 AM
benzo's= my worst enemy! why? well, every frickin' time i took 'em, i would totally come out of character and do something retardedly stoooooopid!! I voted for flunitrazepam, which, if i remember correctly, come in 1, or 2mg doses. my second vote would be clonopin and it also has the same effect on me. Is anyone curious as to what I would do when on benzo's? If not,then too bad,I'm tellin' ya anyway's.......
I am first and foremost, a dope addict! anything opiate is my game! But a choice few times I have done benzo's when I could not get my dope, then I would have a few drink's. Well, what a mistake, because NOW, I'm driving my bosses truck (without permission ) all over his resort ( where I worked and lived ) and I'm smashing through bushes,rolling down the hill's (leaving track's in the pristine lawn of his) to the bottom,where,I become stuck in the soft muddy grass. Now, you would think I would stop there,but do I? OF COURSE NOT!! In my whacked out daze,I have the brilliant idea that I can pull this truck out of the mud,with another truck ( of my bosses!) and I go and get that one stuck also!! Anyone in the right mind would have stopped there you see, but I was not IN MY RIGHT MIND anymore!! So, I say "fuck it" and stumble off to find another truck, which of course, belong's NOT to me!
Flash!! I'm in a bar up the country road now, and I remember wondering how in the hell I was functioning like I was( if you can call it functioning!) and I was drinking a beer. Flash!! I'm back in the truck now, going down the good old country road,when BAMMMM!!! I smash into a telephone pole,wakin' up the whole frickin' neighborhood (people looking outside,dog's barking) and what do I do?
It's amazing how them benzo's keep ya calm in a time of crisis ain't it?! I get outta the truck, and I'm calmly picking up the peices of glass and plastic,then I pick up the bumper and put that in the back of the truck also. The whole time I'm doing this I can feel people watching me, but I don't mind!! They can watch.....why not? so,I get back in the truck just in time to hear siren's coming and so, not wanting to be caught,( I wasn't THAT fucked up now,was I?) I try to start the truck back up. SHE doesn't WANT to start........no, SHE has had enough of THIS shit!! But, me frantically pounding on her gas pedal and twisting the key ( almost completely off!) changed Her mind right quick, and She started for me. SO, I slam my foot on the pedal,and OFF I GO!! I took off just in time to look in the rear view mirror to see the red and blue lights coming around the corner, but they didn't make it around in time to see me rocketing the hell outta there. The resort wasn't far from the scene of the accident, so I got there pretty quick, parked the battered truck in the middle of the goddamn parkin' lot, and stumbled outta the truck,stumbled to my cabin,and(I think!) went to bed!!
FLASH!! ( last one,promise!) I wake up to my boss kickin' in my door (why?) sayin', in short term's, " what the fuck happened here last night?" I dazedly look around my room, which is in complete chaos, with a peice of chicken' burnin' in an electric frying pan, and I calmly say ,"what?" He say's," come with me!!" and I go with him.........and we walk in silence to the front of the resort. It's a beautiful morning isn't it? we climb the hill, and as we come over the top, we arrive just in time to see the sun rising on the wreckage of my previous night. TWO truck's lined up, stuck in mud,and in the distance,ooooooh, LOOK!! ANOTHER ONE!! BASHED TO TATTER'S!! In the sea of lawn were track's circling about ,winding all over the place, skidding here, skidding there, yeah, everything look's DIFFERENT in the mornin' sunlight doesn't it? My boss then look's at me and say's,"what happened here last night?" and being overwhelmed with all I saw, I say.....," I don't know" Soooooo, he say's," well, get to work, I'll find out what happened!" and I ( still in a hell of a daze!!) say, "okay" and I go to work.
The cop's come, and I am trying to play it off,and let me tell you I was doing pretty good, too,when,all of a sudden the owner of the bar call's and say's to tell me I forgot my wallet at the bar last night!! WELLLL,everyone look's at me and the owner say's, " How'd you get to the bar last night? You don't have a car." Being in the daze I was in, don'tcha know I could not answer? Not quick enough anyway's,and I just looked at them all with a retarded expression on my face!! So, the state trooper meander's over and casually click's on the cuff's. I'm dumbfounded how I got to this point, I lose the best job I ever had in my life, and when I finally arrive in my holding cell, I stare at the wall and slightly hallucinate a green blob moving around the jail cell wall. I remember thinking," I can't believe I'm seeing this!!" and finally I feel asleep. so, yeah, FLUNITRAZEPAM!! It get's my vote!! ( which isn't an endorsement either!!) and that's it for me!! SCREW BENZO'S! Definately NOT FOR ME,MAN!! I do have a couple other crazy thing's I did on them,but you get the point.

Wow, that was so funny. I could not stop laughing!

Chipper
12-09-2006, 04:39 PM
The crazy think about loading up on the benzos is that you have to rely on 2nd hand information about what you got up to whilst away with the fairies. I remember thinking I will just take 4 or something and see how I go. Well it turned out that I ended up consuming 25 5mg Vals and moved all the furniture in the house, into my bedroom!

Apparently I was telling everyone that I was also off to the Olympics for the speed trials (??!!)

Too many benzos make for a virtual lobotomy.

Apologies - this should be in the Blackout thread

Ickyuck
12-15-2006, 04:26 PM
I can't believe that this thread keeps growing and growing; that people are really this interested in which Benzodiazepine is stronger than the other. While benzos have many uses that they work great for, IMO, they are shitty recreational drugs. Even if one really enjoyed the high that they produce, once a benzo becomes so strong it is just going to knock you out and erase your memory. You do fucked up shit that you normally wouldn't in those blackouts too, not a good combo. Benzodiazepines are also some nasty drugs when it comes to WD, so much more severe than Opaite withdrawl, and I would assume that the stronger/longer acting they are the worse/longer the WD would last too.

I agree somewhat. Last time I had a powerful benzo was when I was getting a colonoscopy a few weeks ago; They wheeled me into the "room" and I was craning my head to get a glimpse of the coctail they were about to inject. I saw "****pam", but don't remember what it was. Of course by that time they were injecting the milky white stuff- what's the name of it?- and I was out.
Personally I take them so I don't come down from an opiate high depressed. It helps prevent that "Oh shit I'm feeling sober" feeling. Besides that I only take them to help me sleep, alaprazolam and clonzepam is virtually lying around the house I live in. Recreationally, they just flatline me out to the point where I miss anything considered "fun". BUT... when mixed with something like the Provigil I take... well I'll have to experiment more with that.
Still wonder what it's like for people who go nutzoid over benzo's. Am I missing something?

sOfAKiNg
12-21-2006, 01:47 AM
Would you consider 10mg's of klonapin a high dose?? what is considered the highest dose.

tonyk
12-21-2006, 01:54 AM
Heh, Sofaking! Luv your name! Not sure about the Klon. dosage, but I have ahandy PDR I can look it up in. Are you still online?

flipside
12-21-2006, 02:09 AM
If you mean 10mgs at one time. Yes that dose is too high. Esp for someone with no tolerance. I have a hell of a tolerance ( having been on them for 12 years now) and I only take 2mgs at a time 3 times a day spread out over at least 8 hours each.

DO NOT take 10 mgs at one time, or even in one day unless you want to sleep, or possibly black out and do something even worse.

What made you ask about 10mgs.? As a starting dose Did you mean valium, bc valium comes in 10mg form. Klonopin does not. Just curious and want to make sure you're safe.

If you are tolerant and you are asking because that is how many you take in a day,
well it's in the upper limits as as a therapuetic dose... but not unheard of.

insaneike
12-21-2006, 02:20 AM
I didn't rlly read the first pages of this thread, just now seen it and figured I'd add some input...

The HANDS DOWN strongest benzo I have tried is no doubt Midazolam. BY FAR!!! Vals, kpins, and Xans don't fkn touch this stuff, not at all lol. ESPECIALY when IV'd... mmmmm.

God, i want another one of those fentanyl/midazolam shots. God, thats one of the best highs if EVER HAD! THis was after I had my back surgery though upon awakening...

just figured I'd add that to ME midazlam is the strongest benzo by far comapred to kpins, vals, and xans...

sOfAKiNg
12-21-2006, 08:45 AM
no, I'v been taking 10 mg's for about a couple weeks now. and now i up to taking 10mg's at once, and i have a very high tolerance, 10mgs barely does shit for me anymore, and i was wondering if its ok too up it to 12 mgs. (buy the way I use them to get high) not for medicinal purposes


Thanx for the feedback

paper skeletons
01-16-2007, 07:24 PM
midazolam! Never tried rohypnol, i suppose it's actually the strongest, but taking a midazolam islike taking 10 xanies.

Seedy
01-16-2007, 11:27 PM
no, I'v been taking 10 mg's for about a couple weeks now. and now i up to taking 10mg's at once, and i have a very high tolerance, 10mgs barely does shit for me anymore, and i was wondering if its ok too up it to 12 mgs. (buy the way I use them to get high) not for medicinal purposes


Thanx for the feedback

Crikey! The first time I tried clonazapam (no tolerance) I halved a 2mg pill and had with a few beers and some weed (I'm told)... Couldn't remember a thing. And that's 1/10th of your dose!

chasetherush
01-20-2007, 03:09 PM
i have anxiety and insomnia problems, and have had more prescriptions for different benzos over the past few years than most people will in a lifetime. posing a question like "what is the strongest benzo is pretty subjective. for example, restoril (even at higher than approved doses) has hardly anything more than a calming feeling for me. it is SLIGHTLY sedating, but not enough to put me to sleep. also, do you mean strongest as in, which will give you the strongest sense of euphoria? or are we talking sedation, or a general calming effect? muscle tension relief? i've taken xanax, valium, dalmane, ativan, halcion, klonopin, librium, and a few others that escape me. pretty much every benzo that isn't completely obscure and has to be special ordered in the US. for me, valium works best for anxiety, probably because i metabolize it fast and it lasts longer than other benzos that are mainly targeted for anxiety, like xanax. halcion is probably the most potent, since the strongest pill they make is .25 mg. is also has the shortest half-life. everyone is different, but for me, pretty much any benzo that has a hypnotic effect on me will eventually become ineffective at treating insomnia. i think it's different for everyone, though. it all depends on your individual biochemistry. unfortunately, because i actually need them for anxiety, i can't fuck around with them in a recreational sense because then i risk increasing my tolerance.

zuvuya
01-27-2007, 03:22 AM
Midazolam is sometimes used in hospitals by doctors for anesthesia. In my opinion, it is the strongest. Then rohypnol, then triazolam, then clonazepam. There's my vote. (and my frist post.) Howdy folks... Im Robert. Arizonan. See ya round!

asplinteredfawn
01-31-2007, 08:53 PM
Yeah, back when I was in highschool my friends father had an RX to Triazolam. We nick named it the devil, for obvious reasons. When I would black out on Triazolam I couldn't discount myself from doing ANTYHING.

asplinteredfawn
01-31-2007, 08:57 PM
What is every ones obsession with Klonopin? I prefer Valium and Ativan over Klonopin. I guess it's drastically different from person to person. I gave away all my Klonopin RXs because they are garbage to me. Hmm, shows how different everyone can be inside!

HeidiW
02-16-2007, 06:01 PM
I get .25 Halcions. They knock ya on your ass, I love 'em. I've had EVERY other benzo-sleeping pill prescribed to me and Halcion works best. Damn whatever happened to Placidyl? Was that a benzo or a barbituate???

youwonhundred
02-17-2007, 11:39 AM
I get .25 Halcions. They knock ya on your ass, I love 'em. I've had EVERY other benzo-sleeping pill prescribed to me and Halcion works best. Damn whatever happened to Placidyl? Was that a benzo or a barbituate???

Barbituate I think.. And for some reason, theres this song runnin through my head that I cant quite place, called "placidyl polka".. Anybody? Help me out, I just cant remember.

HeidiW
02-17-2007, 01:38 PM
that supreme court justice dude that died a couple years ago William Renquist was an admitted Placidyl addict.

CMonk
02-17-2007, 04:52 PM
I'm not sure how anyone could vote against Rohypnol if they have tried it. I blacked out for almost 2 days on that once...not fun.

For reference, I have lots of experience with xanax and valium. I've also tried ativan and k-pin.

TsarBomba
02-18-2007, 10:23 PM
With Benzos it depends on what you are taking them for.

they are all virtually the same, they just differ in potency and some do certain things (hypnotic, sedative, anticonvulsant, etc) better than others.

The Benzos with the strongest (not most potent) effects are rohypnol, mogadon, restoril, klonopin, versed and xanax.

Restoril, Mogadon and Rohypnol are the 3 biggest hypnotics (sleepers) of the Benzos. They just knock you right on your ass.

Xanax and Kpns are probably the best for anxiety.

Valium and Ativans are garbage.


OVERALL...Halcion, Klonopin and Xanax are the most potent, but the hypnotics (ones that are prescribed for insomnia) are the strongest in effects - so that would be like Restoril, Rohypnol, and Mogadon.

Opiyum
02-22-2007, 11:14 PM
You say valium is garbage but essentially its identical to Kpins in its effect it just takes a lot more milligrams to do so.

chemboy7
03-09-2007, 09:56 PM
You say valium is garbage but essentially its identical to Kpins in its effect it just takes a lot more milligrams to do so.

Aye, but it's still has a softer touch even in higher doses... more calming than anything, kinda boring until you get into doses that are gonna mess with your memory. Next to Ativan it's the most undesirable Benzodiazepine (unless your shooting at a longer duration) because they are the least recreational feeling drugs in that class.

Johnnie5666
03-09-2007, 10:23 PM
i enjoy the occasional Xanie treat,but lights out after that for a day,Ativan never made me as drowsey as Xanies,Valiums are ok,but do not measure up to the others in my book.Never had K-pins,but heard they are the "king" benzo.I will say i have seen people really loose thier marbels in a bad way when hard booze is thrown into the mix.Here is my theory of Benzo realitivity:
Xan+Yieger=FUBAR
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psychotiKK
03-10-2007, 07:29 AM
Aye, but it's still has a softer touch even in higher doses... more calming than anything, kinda boring until you get into doses that are gonna mess with your memory. Next to Ativan it's the most undesirable Benzodiazepine (unless your shooting at a longer duration) because they are the least recreational feeling drugs in that class.

It's all subjective. From my experience, valium is the most recreational benzo. I've been prescribed Xanax for 2 years, and Klonopin for 3 or 4. I might be able to get Nitrazepam, Lorazepam, Temazepam, Midazolam HCL (tablets), and Bromazepam. I can also get somas and Meprobamate (isn't that the chemical ingredient in soma?) but I know they aren't benzos. I've had somas many times, and it's either hit or miss. Out of all those pills, I'm assuming Midazolam is the most recreational by far. The thing is, I didn't even know they made tablets for them, and maybe they are only good if injected?

What are your opinions on the following drugs? What's the most recreational? Which ones are complete trash? Thanks for the help.

halfalien_s4
03-16-2007, 12:45 PM
in my opinion versed and rohyphnol are the strongest. now....the placidyl heidi keeps mentioning was a seditive-hypnotic used for sleep back in the 60s, 70s, and 80s. its still around, but not used much. its generic name is ethcchlorvynol and its neither a benzo or a barb. but it does work on the CNS. it can cause euphoria, and is not unlike benzos/barbs, but has mostly been replaced by such things these days. its also phisically addicitive and can cause wd. it is a carbinols barbituric acid derivitive. hope this helps give some info....

JahRed24
03-16-2007, 08:03 PM
But Rophynol or (SP?) i dunno!.. well anywayz they don't even have that drug in the United States, i would say Xanax is the strongest benzo thats realistic for an individual living within the USA will be able to get.. But we must put all of the different kinds in perspective cuz honestly there are like hundreds of different benzo's that are/have been out there around the world and in the US... But in this day and age, xanax is mos def. the strongest in the sense that it hits hard, leaves quick, crappy hangover.... its like the crack of benzos... and Kolonopins are like the methadone of benzos... so its all gotta be taken in perspective... Ex. Ativan = a "medium-acting" benzo.... Xanax = Short-acting..... Kolonopin = Long-acting benzo (hence why i compared it to methadone, long half life...valium also has a long half-life... oh well im done... PEACE OUT...

Irie Eyed The Jedi:cool::cloud9:

chemboy7
03-16-2007, 08:15 PM
I can also get somas and Meprobamate (isn't that the chemical ingredient in soma?)

No, your thinking of Carisoprodol.

AWOL
03-18-2007, 10:23 AM
I have no idea how people are talking about this because unless you've actually tried them all, you're eliminated from voting. I'm almost 100% certain that eliminates everyone, including me.


Unless you're just guessing.

And I still don't know what "strongest" constitutes.

AWOL
03-18-2007, 10:33 AM
.... its like the crack of benzos... and Kolonopins are like the methadone of benzos... so its all gotta be taken in perspective... Ex. Ativan = a "medium-acting" benzo.... Xanax = Short-acting..... Kolonopin = Long-acting benzo (hence why i compared it to methadone, long half life...valium also has a long half-life... oh well im done... PEACE OUT... Clonazapam has a very short half life when compared to valium.

Xanax is deffinetly not the crack of benzos.

I'm guessing you've never tried any other benzo than xanax and kpins.

------------------

Board formating doesn't paste this chart correctly, so the top number is half life, second number is equivalency, third = don't worry.

This Benzodiazepine Equivalence Table is based on the extensive research and clinical experience of Professor C Heather Ashton (http://www.benzo.org.uk/profash.htm), DM, FRCP, Emeritus Professor of Clinical Psychopharmacology at the University of Newcastle upon Tyne, England. Sources: NRHA Drug Newsletter (http://www.benzo.org.uk/drcha.htm), April 1985 and Benzodiazepines: How they Work & How to Withdraw (The Ashton Manual (http://www.benzo.org.uk/bzmono.htm)), 2002. The approximate equivalent doses to 10mg diazepam (Valium) are given.
For a discussion of half-lives and equivalencies see also the Benzo FAQ document (http://www.benzo.org.uk/FAQ1.1.htm).


Benzodiazepines1



Half-life (hrs)2
[active metabolite]



Approximately Equivalent
Oral dosages (mg)3



Market Aim4

Alprazolam
(Xanax)


6-12



0.5



a

Bromazepam
(Lexotan)


10-20



5-6



a

Chlordiazepoxide
(Librium)


5-30 [36-200]



25



a

Clobazam
(Frisium)5


12-60



20



a,e

Clonazepam
(Klonopin, Rivotril)5


18-50



0.5



a,e

Clorazepate
(Tranxene)


[36-200]



15



a

Diazepam
(Valium)


20-100 [36-200]



10



a

Estazolam
(ProSom)


10-24



1-2



h

Flunitrazepam
(Rohypnol)


18-26 [36-200]



1



h

Flurazepam
(Dalmane)


[40-250]



15-30



h

Halazepam
(Paxipam)


[30-100]



20



a

Ketazolam
(Anxon)


2



15-30



a

Loprazolam
(Dormonoct)


6-12



1-2



h

Lorazepam
(Ativan)


10-20



1



a

Lormetazepam
(Noctamid)


10-12



1-2



h

Medazepam
(Nobrium)


36-200



10



a

Nitrazepam
(Mogadon)


15-38



10



h

Oxazepam
(Serax, Serenid D)


4-15



20



a

Prazepam
(Centrax)


[36-200]



10-20



a

Quazepam (Doral)


25-100



20



h

Temazepam
(Restoril,
Normison,
Euhypnos)


8-22



20



h

Triazolam
(Halcion)


2



0.5



h

Non-benzodiazepines
with similar effects1, 6
Zaleplon
(Sonata)


2



20



h

Zolpidem
(Ambien, Stilnoct)


2



20



h

Zopiclone
(Zimovane, Imovane)


5-6



15



h

ProdigalSon
03-18-2007, 08:44 PM
I can take 4 or 5 mgs of fuckin klonopins and feel shit. They suck IMO

Ragdoll
03-19-2007, 02:29 AM
I have no idea how people are talking about this because unless you've actually tried them all, you're eliminated from voting. I'm almost 100% certain that eliminates everyone, including me.


Unless you're just guessing.

And I still don't know what "strongest" constitutes.

I'm not eliminated :( *sigh* I've tried them all, at one time or another, I'm sorry to admit (really sorry).

Although...I don't really understand what is meant by "strongest", either. Some make you sleep, others lessen anxiety, some loosen you up (like alcohol does), etc.

JahRed24
03-20-2007, 09:27 PM
Actually Somni, you are wrong and Dendroaspis is right.

Temazepam is not for seizures, it's for insomnia. It's a powerful hypnotic. Proven in the lab to be more sedating then any other benzo on earth. check it out, it's a scientific fact.
I also recall reading a paper about benzo and euphoria - temazepam statistically had the highest rate of reported euphoria by patients. I believe 6% reported euphoria on temazepam in a study and it was the highest of any benzo, second was klonopin at 5.3% and then rohpnol at 5.1 %.

Temazepam is also the most widely abused benzo in europe, believe it or not. Like xanax in the US, restoril in europe.


I have to disagree SWIM has experienced with Temazepam on a handful occasions with different doses and i will have to say that xanax mos def. has a more powerful "sleep-aid" quality to it. Even tho i know Temazepam is prescribed for insomnia. Just from SWIM's personal experiences with both drugs (xanax & Temazepam) I will have to say that xanax has much more of a sedative effect on swim than Temazepam by far!

TsarBomba
03-31-2007, 02:22 AM
well temazepam is pretty hardcore stuff. it's like the heroin of the benzos. you read about the havoc it has caused throughout much of the world (relative to other benzos). In europe, australia, new zealand and much of Asia, Temazepam is THEE most abused benzo. Xanax seems to be an American phenomenon (i would say because of prevalence of prescriptions, xanax is way way over prescribed), while temazepam is a drug problem that communities across the globe have to deal with.


here's some stuff on Temazepam (pretty hardcore)


"Studies suggest that temazepam is a particularily euphoric benzodiazepine, and along with other hypnotic benzodiazepines, particularily, flunitrazepam, nitrazepam, and nimetazepam, it is considered to have the highest abuse potential of all benzodiazepines. In the UK, temazepam has superseded diazepam, nitrazepam and flurazepam as the most commonly abused benzodiazepine, in line with the increase in temazepam prescriptions and possibly (until recently) because of the availability of easily injectable forms of temazepam from capsules, 'jellies', 'eggs' (Stark et al. 1987). Benzodiazepines have been injected but at present temazepam is mainly involved. Strang et al. (1994) conducted a questionnaire survey of subjects attending drug clinics in seven British cities. Of 208 subjects returning the questionnaire, 186 had used benzodiazepines and 103 had injected them intravenously. Temazepam was the most commonly used and had been injected from preparations of capsules, tablets and syrup.[1]

Temazepam (whether obtained from capsules, tablets or elixir), is extremely irritating and likely to cause tissue damage. When arm veins become occluded due to local irritation, users may proceed to injecting in the groin, where inadvertent intra-arterial injection has led to amputation. The severity of the addiction which can develop to temazepam is illustrated by the case of a temazepam injector who needed his leg amputated but was later admitted for a second amputation since he had continued injecting into his remaining leg (Parrott 1995). A second subject, following a leg amputation, injected temazepam gel into his eye, resulting in bilateral blindness. [2]"

http://www.benzo.org.uk/ashbzab.htm

MetalJake
03-31-2007, 02:24 AM
xanax for me cause they flat out knock me out

chemboy7
03-31-2007, 03:06 AM
It's all subjective. From my experience, valium is the most recreational benzo. I've been prescribed Xanax for 2 years, and Klonopin for 3 or 4. I might be able to get Nitrazepam, Lorazepam, Temazepam, Midazolam HCL (tablets), and Bromazepam. I can also get somas and Meprobamate (isn't that the chemical ingredient in soma?) but I know they aren't benzos. I've had somas many times, and it's either hit or miss. Out of all those pills, I'm assuming Midazolam is the most recreational by far. The thing is, I didn't even know they made tablets for them, and maybe they are only good if injected?

What are your opinions on the following drugs? What's the most recreational? Which ones are complete trash? Thanks for the help.


I guess that I should have meantioned that Carisoprodol metabolizes into Meprobamate (Brand name is Miltown, right?). Both drugs are notorious for producing tolerances super quick so that may account for your "hit or miss" with them if you are staying in the same dosage range and using them for any length of time. Anyways, I believe that Meprobamate is the stronger/more recreational of the two. As for the benzos I would say that Tamazepam would probably be the most pleasurable of the bunch, that's my favorite Benzodiazepine out there (actually something of a mild euphoria to it). I have no experience with Bromazepam but I think that the runner up out of the benzos in your list (after the tazzies) would be Midazolam, then Nitrazepam. That's my opinion and how they work for me, and out of the bunch the only benzo that I haven't gotten from overseas and was name brand is the Tamazepam so who know's what was really in the pill, ya know. That's how I would pick it anyways.

Chipper
03-31-2007, 04:28 AM
That is pretty hardcore. I just don't understand how or why anyone would continue after an amputation (it's only temazepam, after all) nor do I understand how or why anyone would try to inject into the eye. It's always been an urban myth to me. Surely it can't be true??

chemboy7
03-31-2007, 04:43 AM
That is pretty hardcore. I just don't understand how or why anyone would continue after an amputation (it's only temazepam, after all) nor do I understand how or why anyone would try to inject into the eye. It's always been an urban myth to me. Surely it can't be true??

No, there is no reason to shoot into your eyes, it's an urban myth; and yes, shooting Tamazepm pills is a very bad idea.

OpiGuRu729
03-31-2007, 01:57 PM
my favorite benzo i would have to say is clonazepam, with xanax coming in second...
But i think the strongest benzo is rohypnol (Roofies) im not sure i know it's one of the strongest...

joe junkie
05-09-2007, 04:58 AM
i would have to say that mogadon...also known as nitrazepam is pretty damn good too..

greasy_bear
05-09-2007, 06:31 AM
Joe Junkie - I really like your Avatar.

Majortom
05-09-2007, 07:00 PM
I changed my opinion. Yesterday I took 1/4 Xanax the first time (I was already on 200mg morphine and 250mg H) and, man, it knocked me off my feet. Great stuff.

I would fall asleep with a great euphoria and body feeling. 20 minutes or so later I woke up cause I had difficulties breathing. Do you know this body-dreams, that tell you when something is not working right? Like you cannot breath or cannot move or your chest is feeling very tight. This dream woke me up and I was really out of breath. So a bad idea maybe to take it together with opies, but a great effect.

I think I may be wrong off course but you should look into your morphine intake b/cause breathing difficulties are usually related to morphine and xanax is just gonna strength the effect of it. Otherwise 1/4 of xanax alone with h should not cause such difficulty.

Majortom
05-09-2007, 07:42 PM
I HOPE YOU CAN ALL BEAR WITH ME, AS I HAVE A LOT TO SAY ON THIS TOPIC, AND HAVE SPENT MANY YEARS RESEARCHING ASPECTS OF THIS VERY QUESTION, I HOPE ALL WHO CARE TO READ THIS WILL FIND SOME ANSWERS OR EVEN MORE QUESTIONS TO PURSUE WITH THEIR DOCTOR HERE.
:rolleyes:
At first glance, it seems somewhat obvious that the answer to this question is very subjective, based not only on the question itself, but the vast plethora of answers it inspired. The reason, I think, is a little more in-depth than meets the eye.
Benzo's have been sub-categorized into two major "types" and then several other sub-groups within those two groups. The two major groups are "non-sedative-hypnotics" and "sedative-hypnotics" the latter having a significantly shorter half-life, and significantly harder initial "punch" to them. If you were to take ambien, or stillnox (the generic name) 10mg for the first time in your life, and fight the desire to sleep, it would be something akin to a trip on magic mushrooms without any fear (after all it is a benzo, it relaxes you while you trip out on the five televisions you are watching.). I believe that ambien is the most psycho-active of the sedative hypnotic class of benzodiazepines. However, as with all benzo's, tolerance is the problem. Take the same dose the second night, and you won't have the same effect, instead, you will have a new need - to have to double the dose to get to a place not nearly as good as where that first one took you. Halcion was one of the first sedative hypnotics and has been pulled on and off the market in the USA more enough times to give you whiplash if you are paying attention. I believe currently it is scheduled as a controlled major no-no (availability through foreign pharmacies if you are living in the US is something that varies from month to month.) The "new kid on the block" when it comes to sedative hypnotics is "immovane, or lunesta" it leaves a NASTY aftertaste that lasts all day the next day making almost any good it can bring you in relaxation or sleep almost not worth the anxiety you will experience because of your sensation of taste and the anxiety over your breath the next day. Your mouth will taste "septic" for lack of a better word, for at least the next 6-12 hours after awakening. NOT WORTH IT. The most fun can be enjoyed with ambien, and or halcion (triazolam) the two strongest (in my opinion) sedative hypnotics. Warning: unplug your telephones, and computer, and do not make any attempt to communicate with the outside world while under the influence of these sedative hypnotics. While they are an enjoyable escape, they should be used rarely, with sober supervision if possible at least the first time, and away from all stressors and communication devices. Seriously, disconnect the batteries from your communication devices and write down where you put them before you take the pills. You will thank me later.
SWIM once had a ten hour conversation with someone SWIM had met in a rehab after taking ten 10mg ambien throughout the day (about 100 mg total, and not a wink of sleep, by the way). The next day when the friend called, SWIM said how nice it was to hear from that person, since it had been "years" since they talked. Much to SWIMS embarrassment, SWIM had caught up, made plans, and had no recollection of the conversation the entire day before. Sedative hypnotics are best enjoyed in seclusion with a few good movies you have seen before, and a few good books you wouldn't mind reading again, and a journal to write down all the stuff you won't remember the next day. Sedonil and Restoril are much weaker versions of sedative hypnotics. Rohypnol perplexes me, and I have never used alcohol with it, which must be a catalyst (and a very dangerous one at that) to some of the things that have been recorded with it's use. A 10mg valium has been more effective.
As for the non sedative hypnotics, valium is the safest old standby. It is difficult to OD on valium, despite what you may have read or heard, it is one of the safest benzos available. SWIM has taken up to twenty 10mg valiums at one time; with absolutely no calming effect because the adrenaline was already in overdrive by the time the medication was taken. This can be seen in animal studies where a more "highly strung", smaller breed of dog such as a terrier shows no reaction to 10mg of valium while a more "mellow" breed with five times the body weight, like a Boxer, is turned into a metaphorical bowl of dog jello within twenty minutes of administration and the effects can last for twenty four hours or more. The high strung breed with a body weight of 10 -15 lb. (that in a human child would more likely than not result in an overdose or death) is virtually unaffected by the same dose of the same benzodiazepine that knocked out a dog five or more times it's weight!!!
I have no doubt that different metabolisms and varying physical constitutions, anxiety and adrenaline levels, combined with innate predisposed chemical reactions etc. make the answer to this question difficult, if not impossible to provide in a general "one fits all" type of answer. Every benzo acts different on every individual, and you will have to find what works best for you. Sometimes a combination of vistoril and valium or klonipin and/or other benzodiazepines work best. Doctors often use a "cocktail" presurgically to calm their patients and take them into a "twilight sleep" or state of relaxation. No single benzodiazepine or dose thereof, standing on it's own merit is the answer for everyone - it is much more individualized. Tolerance and temperament play a key factor. Someone who has never had a benzo can be looped after 2mg of valium, while a more high-strung person may only feel the effects for twenty minutes - if they are lucky.
All this being said, it is a good idea to rotate benzodiazepines if you feel that you will need to take them for a long period of time. This will prevent a tolerance developing to any one specific type. They all have slight chemical variations that can make a world of difference in reacting with your individual body chemistry.
One benefit of abstinence is that tolerance does not seem to be as cumulative as it is with opiates. In other words, if you abstain for a year or so, you are probably closer to a normal tolerance level than you would be in the case of an opiate.
Personally, I believe Dormicum and Mogadon (which come under many other names depending upon the country of origin, etc.) are two of the best non-sedative hypnotic benzodiazepines. Perhaps because they are slightly “sedative hypnotic”.
The half life will vary from person to person, metabolism to metabolism, chemical make-up to chemical make-up, and the equation of tolerance must be factored in. Your best bet is to try a benzo you have not tried before, and to figure out what your goals are in using the medication. Do you need something that will work long term, or short term? How quickly do you become tolerant of medications? The best advice to find what will work the longest and be most potent is to experiment until you find what works, and stick with it until it doesn't work as well. Then immediately switch to a different type or brand of benzodiazepines if you are still in need of their medical and psychological benefits. Be sure to be aware of the potential to become addicted, and try to undergo periods of "fasting" at least two weeks at a time from any benzodiazepine. Try herbal remedies, like GABA, skullcap, melatonin, and opium lettuce. I'm sure that other members could suggest even more helpful remedies along those lines, such as possibly kava, and valerian as well - although I have found less success with those two out of all of the herbal options. I was surprised to find catnip is helpful, so experiment with what works for you.
I guess I just don't think that there is a pat answer to the question. The closest would be klonipin or restoril in social situations or the right dose of lorazepam i.e. ativan (best choice IMHO) which tends to "loosen" some people up without affecting memory or making them too tired unlike xanax and valium may be more prone to do.
And then of course, outside of the benzodiazepines, a more serious option is available in phenobarbital and the barbiturates. These tend to give much more of a "hangover" , have much more risks involved with overdose, etc, but if you are looking for some quality sleep sometimes they are a better solution. The main thing I cannot stress enough is that you talk to a trusted psychiatrist, who is trained in this field and will be willing to work with you to find what works. There is no "one size fits all" answer, despite all of the chemistry that tells us so much about the medications, there is no one that can help you find the right medication better than a doctor who is familiar with your body's chemistry and metabolism. The charts are based on broad generalizations, and you are an individual with a unique chemical make-up that makes everything on those charts absolutely worthless except in figuring out how they apply to you as an individual.
I really hope that this helps. I have devoted a great part of my studies to benzodiazepines, what works, and what doesn't, and why. The biggest problem is when we ignore the largest part of the chemical equation, which is your unique body chemistry and metabolism and try to make the charts fit you instead of the other way around.
I know it can be a frustrating struggle to find the right thing that helps, and it may not be so simple as "what is the strongest benzodiazepine?" Unfortunately, it is much more complicated because the only way to find the answer is to find out which is the strongest benzodiazepine FOR YOU, and AT THIS TIME.
I wish you the best in your quest, and I hope perhaps you, and others on the board will find this far too lengthy discourse on benzodiazepines helpful in some way. If so, please let me know, and if I have spent too much time on something that everyone has already formulated opinions on, please just tell me and I will try not to do it again. I do not want to come across didactic, but certainly hope that my years of research and experience in this particular area will be enlightening to some of the members of the group. It is my goal to be a help, and not a person who takes up a lot of space with useless information that could be better put to use in some other forum. So, I am, as always, open to constructive criticism and questions and again, hope I have been of some help, and not created more questions than answers.
Be well, and may your quest lead you to exactly what you have been seeking, and may you know it beyond a doubt :eek: when you find it. Best wishes to all.
Sincerely,
Somni Divine

There are good info above.. When I heard the question I d just thought of sedatives cause it asks the strongest as an effect surely Halcio should come under hypnotics as signopal (siggy) etc and I agree Ativan has a clear nice cut effect. Flunitrazepam(rayhpnol used in sleeping disorders as a last choice)has the strongest chemical structure. you can not compare xanax and valium they are different if not sue xanax is more effective tahts why it is used in panic attacts.
Valium or diazepam can not even come close ..But as you have explained it is very important someone knows these groups before abusing one..
I am just talking according my 23 years of experimental past and some I read throughout the years.I am not a doc or any kind nor have any physoatric disorder. Just experimental bases..
By the way mogadon or few others you have mention aren't they come under barbiturates as it is used in shzophrenic patience.

Sitar
05-09-2007, 09:41 PM
Why is Ativan even on the list? God, that stuff's weak as hell. I'd say it takes 4 milligrams of Ativan to equal only 1 mg of Xanax or Klonopin, and several benzo equivalency charts online agree.

Also, I think a lot of people when speaking of benzos confuse the term "euphoria" with "well-being". Benzos can give you an increased sense of well-being, not euphoria, generally.

psychotiKK
05-16-2007, 06:38 AM
Why is Ativan even on the list? God, that stuff's weak as hell. I'd say it takes 4 milligrams of Ativan to equal only 1 mg of Xanax or Klonopin, and several benzo equivalency charts online agree.

This is some proof that benzodiazepines have such different effects in people.. Lorazepam is mostly considered one of the more potent benzos. Read here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorazepam

Moonrock
05-16-2007, 12:25 PM
Rohypnol
Definitely Rohypnol.
Consuming around 10 0.5mg pills of Rohypnol through the course of the day of course provides a high more than any other zepam with the same doze can provide

Also it has a great effect in decreasing the high of dope if you’re too fucked up to go home.
Damn, it’s the best pills ever, but might lead u to commit stupid acts, like all drugs of course, but with more intensity, as it provides u with an I GOT BALLS feeling
I remember they came in 3 colours, blue, black and golden or brown, for 0.5, 1 and 2 mg I guess, (never cared too much for the technicalities), the colour of text on the back of the strip I mean
Damn those golden ones were strong, but didn’t last for long on the street
I’m not sure about how you normally consume them tablets, but the only way that counts is crushing and sniffing em. It opens up your lungs and you smoke like there’s no tomorrow. Unlike oral consumption that puts one to sleep. Tried injecting them pills a few times, but it was only cause I ran outa dope, and it wasn’t so great either, cause you’d be waiting for the dope rush to come, after all you’re injecting the damn thing, but it never gets there and u end up kinda disappointed

chemboy7
05-16-2007, 01:43 PM
I can't believe that this thread/poll is still up and running strong after so long. Frankly, who cares what the strongest benzo is... Benzodiazepines are shitty recreational drugs good for detox and potentiation alone. And if they where worth abusing I still wouldn't give a fuck which one is stronger by weight, I would want the one with the best high. Using enough benzos to actually get high solely on the benzos would be/is a shitty high, Benadryl makes me drowsy too and is available OTC. All the Benzodiazepines ever did for me was make me a sleepy, forgetful, inept ass. Less recreational than alcohol, I hate alcohol. Who cares what the hell the strongest benzo is, fuck Benzodiazepines (and their nasty ass WD symptoms). I'M THE STRONGEST BENZO!

*spits*

nick
05-16-2007, 03:02 PM
I can't believe that this thread/poll is still up and running strong after so long. Frankly, who cares what the strongest benzo is... Benzodiazepines are shitty recreational drugs good for detox and potentiation alone. And if they where worth abusing I still wouldn't give a fuck which one is stronger by weight, I would want the one with the best high. Using enough benzos to actually get high solely on the benzos would be/is a shitty high, Benadryl makes me drowsy too and is available OTC. All the Benzodiazepines ever did for me was make me a sleepy, forgetful, inept ass. Less recreational than alcohol, I hate alcohol. Who cares what the hell the strongest benzo is, fuck Benzodiazepines (and their nasty ass WD symptoms). I'M THE STRONGEST BENZO!

*spits*

Amazing it took about 17 months for someone to state the bleedin obvuious-way to go Chem.

chemboy7
05-16-2007, 06:22 PM
Amazing it took about 17 months for someone to state the bleedin obvuious-way to go Chem.

Hahaha, actually I said pretty much the same thing on this thread about 6 months ago, I was amazed at the intrest at that time! Guess I'm just feeling extra crotchity today; I'm finally free of the benzo WDs and all but these damn subs just aint cutting it... I need a fucking shot.


I can't believe that this thread keeps growing and growing; that people are really this interested in which Benzodiazepine is stronger than the other. While benzos have many uses that they work great for, IMO, they are shitty recreational drugs. Even if one really enjoyed the high that they produce, once a benzo becomes so strong it is just going to knock you out and erase your memory. You do fucked up shit that you normally wouldn't in those blackouts too, not a good combo. Benzodiazepines are also some nasty drugs when it comes to WD, so much more severe than Opaite withdrawl, and I would assume that the stronger/longer acting they are the worse/longer the WD would last too.

nick
05-16-2007, 06:30 PM
Hahaha, actually I said pretty much the same thing on this thread about 6 months ago, I was amazed at the intrest at that time! Guess I'm just feeling extra crotchity today; I'm finally free of the benzo WDs and all but these damn subs just aint cutting it... I need a fucking shot.



Bro,I gave up on this thread a long time ago,but threads that run this long,I go back to because after a while(normally not very long) they go wildly off topic.
This thread could have been about anything from the meaning of life to who has the prettiest dog now.

Glad you're through the benzo wd-that shit really sucks.


Oh and bro,everyone needs a shot.....just some people don't realise it.

chemboy7
05-16-2007, 06:41 PM
Oh and bro,everyone needs a shot.....just some people don't realise it.

Aye.

gauchoamigo
05-17-2007, 09:20 PM
It really depends on a lot of things, doesn't it? It's not really as simple a question as it seems at first reading. I suffer terrible anxiety and horrific panic attacks (HELP! I'm gonna DIE! I'm having a fucking HEART ATTACK!) and different benzos do different things in different situations. Look up any Equivalency Chart and you'll find that Alprazolam and Clonazepam are the strongest, 0.5mg of each being equivalent to the benchmark, 10mg Diazepam. But some are anxiolytics and some are hypnotics, and the subjective effect may not tally with the tables.
Alprazolam, especially Gador's magnificent 2mg Alplax bars, are certainly the strongest anxiolytic benzo; but Clonazepam is much faster-acting in the event of one of those 'dying' panics. And Bromazepam too, if you take 18mg, is very fast to act and gives much more of a euphoric feeling than the two stronger ones. They are softer and dissolve on and under the tongue very quickly and like I say give more of a 'dunt'.
As for Hypnotics, Flunitrazepam and Midazolam (the 2mg and 15mg strengths respectively) knock me out like a sledgehammer. The best brands are definitely LaborMed Pharma Flunitraz and Galenika Flormidal Midazolam. I make sure I'm in bed BEFORE I take those things. Then again, Temazepam, preferably the 'eggs' (Normison, MUCH better than Restoril) is a hypnotic which gives the sort of hit you get from Alplax and Lexilium (Bromazepam). So it's a very complicated question. And then there's the question of tolerance; it's much better with benzos to rotate the ones you're using, especially the sleepers.
40mg of Diazepam or 4mg Alprazolam is the perfect accompaniment to a nice bit of heroin, too. They really make the kit seem that much stronger.
So a difficult question with no definitive answer, unless you are looking at them strictly as equivalents chemically, in which case the aforementioned Alps and Clonnies are the strongest.
Gaucho

TsarBomba
05-19-2007, 05:57 PM
when I think of strongest, i don't think of most potent. Most potent mg for mg would be halcion, xanax or k-pins.

But the strongest are the hypnotics and research shows that temazepam, rohypnol, nitrazepam and nimetazepam are the strongest of all benzos.

Inspektahdek
07-20-2007, 02:43 AM
xanax>klonopin>valium>ativan

cjd83us
10-05-2007, 07:45 AM
I have to go with midazolam all the way I have a huge tolerence to benzos and just started trying midazolam and my god that shit fucks me up bad had many blackouts even fell down the stairs. now I know that this can be acheived with enough of any benzo but I only took 37.5 mg when I can handle 20mg of xanax no problem. I say this stuff is the SHIT!!!!!!!

limitless_euphoria
10-14-2007, 04:45 AM
Versed scares the shit out of me. I came out of post-op August 07 and I awoke before they knew I was conscious. But I could't move cause the versed had a hold on my arms, legs, neck, almost all muscles.... then I Felt like I coudln't breathe but I was intubated but I was buiolding up the strength finally just to shake my head. They laughed it off saing I looked like Stevie Wonder because I wore sun shades under the florescent lamps as my eyes are light sensative.

gauchoamigo
10-18-2007, 09:34 PM
Are there any Benzo's which are unscheduled in the US??? Ones which may not be available here or are possibly just very new and not yet well known or approved by the FDA...

Brotizolam IS scheduled, coming under the phrase 'any salt of any of the above' at the end of Schedule IV. The only benzo I know of that appears to be totally legal in the USA is Phenazepam. However, that is one hell of a difficult substance to get your hands on. There is a Chinese wholesaler who offers it, but only in Kilos. Your best bet is to take a flight to Moscow and do a bit of doctor shopping. It was developed in the old USSR and comes in around the same strength as alprazolam and clonazepam.

Chicago
10-30-2007, 01:30 PM
hey I think I no alot about bezo's since I been on then for over 10yrs str8 and have done them all, 2 this day I am rxd a bttle of 90tabs of klonopin 2mg 3x a day as needed, 60 xanax bars 2bars daily as needed, 30temzapam caps 30mg once b4 bed.
Ativan is quick acting but very short half life.
klonopin is the longest halkf life but its the smoothest.
xanax is pretty quick acting decent half life but hits u hard, xanax xr suck.
temezapam is made for b4 u go 2 sleep so it hits u pretty qiuck so u can sllep but short half life.
librium = never really feel anything.
valium is differnt from all the rest b/c it is more of a muscle relaxer, never get off, but if i take it when in w/d my body feels like jello.
But everyone is differnt and all benzo's react on all diff.
I like k-pins the best b/c last long and smooth, xanax I like when I need some to hit me quick and fuck me up. I can go on but just wanted to give some feed back, like I said been on rxd over 10yrs on 4 diff benzo's right now all from the same doc. WHAT SCARES ME THE MOST IS IF I WAS EVER LOCKED UP AND WENT THREW BENZO W/D SCARES ME SO MUCH MORE THEN H W/D.



What do you think is the strongest benzo from experience?

In my experience Temazepam(Restoril) has been consistently strong and never let me down, even in low doses. It is said that temazepam has the most profound and strongest effects of any benzo in equal anti-anxiety or insomnia doses. I read in a chart that 15 mg temazepam is equal to 7.5 mg Valium in it's efficacy to reduce anxiety, but temazpams effects like sedation are much stronger.

So what do you think is the strongest?

I have heard that it's between rophynol, versed, and restoril.

xxemoxx
11-03-2007, 05:18 PM
Rohphonoyl, Versad-Midzolam, and then either retriolza or xanax are the 5 strongests....... Versad's only down fall is the extremely short half life of the medication itself.

Brony
11-11-2007, 03:18 PM
Versed scares the shit out of me. I came out of post-op August 07 and I awoke before they knew I was conscious. But I could't move cause the versed had a hold on my arms, legs, neck, almost all muscles.... then I Felt like I coudln't breathe but I was intubated but I was buiolding up the strength finally just to shake my head. They laughed it off saing I looked like Stevie Wonder because I wore sun shades under the florescent lamps as my eyes are light sensative.

In all honesty L/E I don't think the Versed was paralyzing you. Depending on the type of surgery you had there's a chance they used a paralytic (such as Succinocholine) to intubate/paralyze you during surgery. That's why you couldn't move (most likely).

irish
11-18-2007, 05:30 PM
As far as paralytic medications go, you were probably given vecuronium. Usually refered to as vec. It completely paralyzes you. When the anesthesia wears off during surgery the vec is still active. Doctors refer to this as "locked in the box". It is far more common than you would think.

alissanurse
12-02-2007, 11:04 PM
my favs-valium, ativan, nitrazepam, xanax...woulda figured nitrazadon 10mg would be on the list

Nemesis1
12-05-2007, 08:48 AM
Why can't I vote for triazolam (Halicon)?? Those are really knock out-pills!

If SWIM have to pick one of the poll options he goes for for temazepam...

hydrocronik
12-18-2007, 03:27 PM
My favorite would have to be restoril...it always works!
The first time i took bars(xanax), i only took one,
and smoked a joint with it.....and i couldn't remember what had happened.....
the second time i took 5 bars......and the exact same thing occured....
i had no other effects other than the loss of memory......
The first time i took valium i took 5 of the 2mg. pills,
and i felt great!
But the second time, i took 10 2mg. pills,
and nothing happened......
but everytime i have taken Restoril, i have always had a good high! =)
PEACE!

hydrocronik
12-18-2007, 03:29 PM
Oh, and i have also had good experiances with Klonopin....!

Cole Younger
12-18-2007, 03:44 PM
I've used all of the above listed, and Valuim & Xanax are my two favorites.:)

nullnull
12-18-2007, 04:50 PM
can you guys in the US get noctamid (lormetazepam) ?
it is at least as strong as flunitrazepam. i actually prefer it over flunitrazepam.

gauchoamigo
02-06-2008, 06:10 PM
i would have to say that mogadon...also known as nitrazepam is pretty damn good too..

JoeJunkie, I must concur; I like your avatar too, but WHAT DRUG is contained in those capsules, which appear to be embossed '12mg'?
They certainly aren't anything you can get here... opiate, benzo, what? I have expressed my opinion about the differences in analgesic prescription between UK and US before - I just fail to believe that anybody ever buys meperidine half-strength capsules (50mg) at XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX when a single capsule costs US$46... I mean, I hear that meperidine, though the brand-mania apparent in US posters generally calls it 'Demerol', would be really useful for my breakthrough pain from my daily script, which is of m/r tablets, but is NOT exactly the strongest of analgesics. Same goes for hydrocodone which isn't a strong med and for some reason must be, in the US (only the 2mg tabs from Germany are available outside the USA) compounded with paracetamol, a most dangerous drug indeed.
BUT we are talking about what is the strongest benzo, aren't we? Have I answered in this thread before? I can't remember. But it's a two-pronged question, isn't it? Subjective or objective? Objectively, the two strongest available benzodiazepine drugs are Kheleks and Flormidal (sorry, let's be sensible and use the actual drug names!) which are alprazolam and midazolam respectively. But then one is an anxiolytic and the other a hypnotic. I could take 30mg Flormidal at a cafe and sill be walking down the street quite fine and not feeling particularly over-sedated an hour later, but put me in bed (PLEASE, put me in bed!) and give me a 15mg tablet. 10 minutes after I close my eyes I will be dead to the world. At LEAST twice as strong subjectively as flunitrazepam (Rohydorm, Rohypnol, Hypnodorm) 1mg. Roche do not make 2mg tabs of flunitraz any more, or at least they are not available for prescription; only 1mg green 542s. Maybe they DO still make them, but they are not available in the UK, nor I guess in the USA. As for midazolam, the Roche brand, Dormicum, is available in a half-strength tablet of 7.5mg, Flormidal by ICN is NOT.
Even if I HAVE answered in this thread, I have been on BZDs now for 30+ years, and subjectively, it changes probably with how I feel that day. Alprazolam and midazolam, along with clonazepam, are according to all the equivalence tables, the strongest OBjectively; 0,5mg of alp or clonaz (Roche brand Rivotril, never seen any generics) is equivalent in strength to 10mg diazepam (Apaurin, Stesolid, Tensium, Valium).
Currently my prescription is for alprazolam. It is inevitably filled with the Pfizer/Upjohn/Pharmacia brand XANAX; again, this is a drug of which I have never seen nor heard of generics in the UK. Pity then that there are several brands and generics which I consider vastly superior to Xanax brand, and none can be dispensed! I wouldn't say it was the strongest SUBjectively. Certainly not at my prescribed dosage. I can see that it could well be, were my dose to be increased to 4mg t.d.s. from the pitiful 2.5mg/day I am currently getting. 70-100mg diazepam is a much stronger and more enjoyable drug. The MOST enjoyable feeling from a BZD MUST be bromazepam (Lexaurin, Lexilium, Lexotanil) in a dosage of 18-24mg. Right, not the strongest, the tables saying that a 6mg tab is equiv. to about 12.5mg diaz. But certainly the very best for good feeling, and it was a sad day when bromazepam was deleted from the BNF (British National Formulary) and with the postal situation from Argentina, where Roche make their finest Lexotanil, I have lost my source for that. I can still get Lexilium, by Alkaloid/Roche, from the usual Balkan sources (well, one of them, who does NOT ship to the USA) - most sell the Hemopharm/Zorka generic. Cheap but not nearly as good as my favourite Lexotanil and Lexilium. I just wish I could get a whole lot of Lexotanil through UK Customs, but the last 3 rgie packs, which also contained my favourite 2mg alps by Gador and Denver and the best Roche Valium, in fact the only one to come even close to the quality of Apaurin or Stesolid, available.
So the question is flawed. It HAS howver, spawned some great little debates. What about the WEAKEST benzo? It MUST be chlordiazepoxide. I know of no weaker, though it is the perfect drug of choice for alcohol withdrawal. No good for a severe, chronic anxiety and panic syndrome though. Like peanuts to an elephant! I gave 90mg oxazepam, a good brand by Aspen, to a friend the other day, and they told me that they felt NOTHING at all. Well, perhaps the over-use of particularly diazepam by this individual would account for that, but then Iuse a lot of alprazolam and clonazepam and still found this batch to be fine. I haven't tried them out as a sleep aid yet. Tonight then. I ws going to take a mixture of midazolam and flunitrazepam along with my final 500mcg Xanax of the day, but I think 60mg oxazepam tonight, just to see.
Some of the weaker BZDs on the charts turn out, at the right dose, to be the best for feeling good. So we should be very careful how we answer this question and even if we have already posted here, post again, this time with the consideration of the difference in subjective and objective strength and variation in dosage factored in.
Fascinating.
As long as I don't suffer afull-blown panic, I am happy, but like most people I DO like a nice feeling, and for that I vote:
#1 Bromazepam in 24mg dosage
#2= Diazepam in 75-100mg dosage
#2= Alprazolam in 6mg or 8mg dosage.
I must finish by saying that there ARE differences between the subjective effect of different products from different manufacturers (though Lexotanil and Lexilium are practically identical, and Rivotril made by Roche or ICN Galenikaare similarly identical) and specify that when I talk about my top 3, I mean the two bromazepams mentioned, Apaurin for diazepam, and either Gador Alplax or the generic by Denver Pharma as the best alprazolam.
Cheers. Have a panic-free day. I'll be back soon.

gauchoamigo
02-06-2008, 06:20 PM
While I'm here; Hydrocronik, Restoril must be one of the poorest brands of temazepam I have ever had. Sorry, but it just isn't a strong brand subjectively at all. Even the 20mg generic by Alpharma is miles better, but you can not beat the 'eggs', the either liquid or gel filled capsules, best-known brand NORMISON. I can only source them from one place, though. Why is that, and why do so many people think Restoril brand 30mg are so good? These 20mg examples i have given are so much better, and I defy anybody to say differently. A correspondent of mine gets his tems filled with a generic (he is USA) which he admits is MUCH better than the Novartis brand. Yes, Restoril works, but you have to take an awful lot of it to equal the eggs in particular!
GA

Hookahed
02-06-2008, 08:13 PM
Wow, those sound like the whip. My fav's are Halcion followed by the Novatis Restoril as far as benzos go.

Inspektahdek
02-08-2008, 07:57 PM
xanax turns me into a retard.
valium doesnt.
klonopin doesnt.
ativan doesnt.

i love xanax.


me too, clonazepam is smooth and nice, diazepam is sedating makes me kind of depressed in a weird way, good for sleep, not much of a buzz and mixed with alcohol at all, instant waste and knockout/blackout. ativan is ok, been a while, and TAFIL (xanax/alprazolam) is quite exceptional, especially with a beer or two, good kraut beer. I'm doing it right now as we speak! heee :D

jwalm
02-14-2008, 05:32 AM
the only benzos that i have actually enjoyed were Temazepam and Triazolam in doses of 60mg and .25mg

alissanurse
03-08-2008, 01:46 PM
my favs-valiium, clondazapam, xanax, larazapam,

red26
05-15-2008, 10:39 AM
Just a thread boost. I figured that being the benzos were a hot subject lately this might help a few others out. Gotta find that post by Paisan... its a fukin riot with wip cream.

frankie
05-15-2008, 01:48 PM
in my personal opinion kolonipin is the strongest as i use 1mg 8xdaily, for seizure control and anxiety. Ativan is my personal favorite though...:)


frankie

bigNasty
06-16-2008, 02:14 AM
JoeJunkie, I must concur; I like your avatar too, but WHAT DRUG is contained in those capsules, which appear to be embossed '12mg'?
They certainly aren't anything you can get here... opiate, benzo, what? I have expressed my opinion about the differences in analgesic prescription between UK and US before - I just fail to believe that anybody ever buys meperidine half-strength capsules (50mg) at ***********.org when a single capsule costs US$46... I mean, I hear that meperidine, though the brand-mania apparent in US posters generally calls it 'Demerol', would be really useful for my breakthrough pain from my daily script, which is of m/r tablets, but is NOT exactly the strongest of analgesics. Same goes for hydrocodone which isn't a strong med and for some reason must be, in the US (only the 2mg tabs from Germany are available outside the USA) compounded with paracetamol, a most dangerous drug indeed.
BUT we are talking about what is the strongest benzo, aren't we? Have I answered in this thread before? I can't remember. But it's a two-pronged question, isn't it? Subjective or objective? Objectively, the two strongest available benzodiazepine drugs are Kheleks and Flormidal (sorry, let's be sensible and use the actual drug names!) which are alprazolam and midazolam respectively. But then one is an anxiolytic and the other a hypnotic. I could take 30mg Flormidal at a cafe and sill be walking down the street quite fine and not feeling particularly over-sedated an hour later, but put me in bed (PLEASE, put me in bed!) and give me a 15mg tablet. 10 minutes after I close my eyes I will be dead to the world. At LEAST twice as strong subjectively as flunitrazepam (Rohydorm, Rohypnol, Hypnodorm) 1mg. Roche do not make 2mg tabs of flunitraz any more, or at least they are not available for prescription; only 1mg green 542s. Maybe they DO still make them, but they are not available in the UK, nor I guess in the USA. As for midazolam, the Roche brand, Dormicum, is available in a half-strength tablet of 7.5mg, Flormidal by ICN is NOT.
Even if I HAVE answered in this thread, I have been on BZDs now for 30+ years, and subjectively, it changes probably with how I feel that day. Alprazolam and midazolam, along with clonazepam, are according to all the equivalence tables, the strongest OBjectively; 0,5mg of alp or clonaz (Roche brand Rivotril, never seen any generics) is equivalent in strength to 10mg diazepam (Apaurin, Stesolid, Tensium, Valium).
Currently my prescription is for alprazolam. It is inevitably filled with the Pfizer/Upjohn/Pharmacia brand XANAX; again, this is a drug of which I have never seen nor heard of generics in the UK. Pity then that there are several brands and generics which I consider vastly superior to Xanax brand, and none can be dispensed! I wouldn't say it was the strongest SUBjectively. Certainly not at my prescribed dosage. I can see that it could well be, were my dose to be increased to 4mg t.d.s. from the pitiful 2.5mg/day I am currently getting. 70-100mg diazepam is a much stronger and more enjoyable drug. The MOST enjoyable feeling from a BZD MUST be bromazepam (Lexaurin, Lexilium, Lexotanil) in a dosage of 18-24mg. Right, not the strongest, the tables saying that a 6mg tab is equiv. to about 12.5mg diaz. But certainly the very best for good feeling, and it was a sad day when bromazepam was deleted from the BNF (British National Formulary) and with the postal situation from Argentina, where Roche make their finest Lexotanil, I have lost my source for that. I can still get Lexilium, by Alkaloid/Roche, from the usual Balkan sources (well, one of them, who does NOT ship to the USA) - most sell the Hemopharm/Zorka generic. Cheap but not nearly as good as my favourite Lexotanil and Lexilium. I just wish I could get a whole lot of Lexotanil through UK Customs, but the last 3 rgie packs, which also contained my favourite 2mg alps by Gador and Denver and the best Roche Valium, in fact the only one to come even close to the quality of Apaurin or Stesolid, available.
So the question is flawed. It HAS howver, spawned some great little debates. What about the WEAKEST benzo? It MUST be chlordiazepoxide. I know of no weaker, though it is the perfect drug of choice for alcohol withdrawal. No good for a severe, chronic anxiety and panic syndrome though. Like peanuts to an elephant! I gave 90mg oxazepam, a good brand by Aspen, to a friend the other day, and they told me that they felt NOTHING at all. Well, perhaps the over-use of particularly diazepam by this individual would account for that, but then Iuse a lot of alprazolam and clonazepam and still found this batch to be fine. I haven't tried them out as a sleep aid yet. Tonight then. I ws going to take a mixture of midazolam and flunitrazepam along with my final 500mcg Xanax of the day, but I think 60mg oxazepam tonight, just to see.
Some of the weaker BZDs on the charts turn out, at the right dose, to be the best for feeling good. So we should be very careful how we answer this question and even if we have already posted here, post again, this time with the consideration of the difference in subjective and objective strength and variation in dosage factored in.
Fascinating.
As long as I don't suffer afull-blown panic, I am happy, but like most people I DO like a nice feeling, and for that I vote:
#1 Bromazepam in 24mg dosage
#2= Diazepam in 75-100mg dosage
#2= Alprazolam in 6mg or 8mg dosage.
I must finish by saying that there ARE differences between the subjective effect of different products from different manufacturers (though Lexotanil and Lexilium are practically identical, and Rivotril made by Roche or ICN Galenikaare similarly identical) and specify that when I talk about my top 3, I mean the two bromazepams mentioned, Apaurin for diazepam, and either Gador Alplax or the generic by Denver Pharma as the best alprazolam.
Cheers. Have a panic-free day. I'll be back soon.

I know you posted this in February but somebody please edit ^^^^ this post. They are domestic and not gonna be around much longer if people post them on here everyday

ZodiacKiller
06-16-2008, 09:41 AM
OK, done, as it should've been a while ago---but now we'll just let the thread fade away...........k?


ZK

xannyman
06-11-2009, 06:26 PM
In my experience definately versed is the strongest or most euphoric/ amnesiac. First had it before surgery and felt like I had drank 5 martinis on an empty stomach. Then was able to come across a few vials from a friend and had quite the interesting few days!!!!!!! I also find xanax pretty strong in high doses.......I have heard rohypnol is the most potent but it is illegal and I have never come across it but would like to try just for shits and giggles...

resorcinol
06-12-2009, 05:44 PM
If we're talking absolute potency here, triazolam (Halcion) is the most potent benzo, period. It has the highest binding affinity as an agonist for the GABA(A)bzd site of all prescribed benzos in multiple countries. Alprazolam is second place, clonazepam third. I posted the chart with the uM affinities in a thread in this forum.

However, subtype selectivity, half life, and speed of uptake & bioavailability will certainly effect how "strong" a benzo feels subjectively. A strong hypnotic like flunitrazepam is gonna hit you harder than an anxiolytic at "equipotent" doses. Triazolam, having the highest affinity AND being selective for hypnotic effects, is probably EXTREMELY potent and intoxicating. I've never had it so I don't know. Triazolam might be approaching the limit for how strong an affinity a benzo can have.

However, some very weak benzos (affinity wise) are highly regarded as some of the best. Temazepam is a great example. Its affinity is lower than diazepam by a good margin, but is considered a very euphoric buzz --- one just needs to dose much higher to get the same amount of psychoactivity.

deltapsik0
06-20-2009, 08:10 AM
K-Pins

Hands down.. Wafers or pill form for easy usage sublingual

long lasting and really sedating effects that help the WDs from opies so much that its not even funny

THEPAINTER1960
08-20-2009, 07:17 PM
Versed is strong as hell, isn't that used to put you to sleep before a medical procedure? That's what my Dr. gives me. I prefer Halcion, 1/2 mg. I used to take Dalmane 30mg for sleep, they weren't worth a fuck. Now, was Placidyl a benzo? I've been told THAT was the shit. Any thoughts on this? Oh yeah, about Rohypnol, a friend gave me one a few years back. I ended driving clear acrossed town, out to my place in the country, (about 12 mile) and absolutely have NO recollection of how I got there. I'd have to put Rohypnol up there with Versed, hands down.
I avoid Xanax bars at all costs, they killed my very best friend in March of 05. I take them as prescribed, just 2mg before bed.
PLACIDYL was the bomb of all .PLACIDYL is not a benzo nor is it a barbitiute ,PLACIDYL was taken off the market i i guess i had my last script in 1992,it is a HYPNOTIC 100% 750 MILLIGRAMS and 500 mg. of pure power i was lucky enough to servive the era of the placidyl and the DOUBLE TROUBLES WHITCH IF ANYONE remembers LILY-F65 AND F66 1 1/2 AND 1 GRAIN TUINAL,ALSO SECONAL AND AMATYL.there was nothing in the world like these class of drugs.These were the drugs to tell the doctor oh doc i can not sleep tonight,then the benzos came out and took this beautiful class of drugs of the market.Compared to these beautys benzos are just weak.weak.weak sorry to dissapoint alot of people but anyone that was around i mean still living and used these beautys in the super 70's you know what i mean. What a shame pieces of art.