negative stigma against H users

[turdkenedy]

i was hanging out with these people in a college dorm, waiting for some girl who supposedly they said would have the shit or have a connect.

so anyway they start saying shit like "heroin is a drug i would never do" , "there are drugs like weed that you take and you want to do other things on and then theres heroin where you do the drug and thats the end experience", "oh youll get along with this girl you guys can compare track marks", "most of the people i know who used heroin are dead" etc etc

so anyway i defend myself saying how i dont have trackmarks and if you are smart you dont get "trackmarks", and how im not addicted. but they still look at me funny and think im a "junky"

its just sad how my peers perceive heroin. they are complete tools. its just a drug, and injection is just the preferred method of use. i dont drink or smoke or use any drugs other than occasional H but i have been branded "that kid" that people talk about who became "addicted".

the really hypocritical thing is these people are buying and selling ozs of weed and acid and glorifying other drugs like coke and how they dont go to class and just get high all day, meanwhile i never miss class and i have a job along with full time school, and im definetly smarter than all of them.

[Black_Pony]

Fucken tools. I hate hypocrites like that who think their shit dont stink just because they partake of other drugs that they somehow rationalize as being better than certain other drugs that they dont take. Like alcohol, marijuana, etc. Thats just another drug you friggen idiot and its alot more harmful on your body than heroin (well alcohol at least). The really ridiculous thing is that they've never tried it and pretend to know what they're talking about. Those type of people deserved to get choked out with bare human hands, by me.

[blackdog]

let's see which would i rather be?
a raging alcholic, roaring drunk
or a functional heroin addict
hmmmmm let me think i have to pick one or can i do both?
now wait a minute alchohol is legal so therefore it must be better?no?:p

[SHELLEY]

that stigma is there
because of people like me:

street-hookin'
motel dwellin'
hepC-havin'
late-sleepin'
crack-smokin'
dope-fiendin'
trackmark-covered
chronic-ass
addicted-ass
JUNKIES!!!!!!!

hahahaha we ruined it for all y'all "functioning" addicts hahahaha

[phrozen]

Shelley, I don't see why you're laughing. You haven't ruined anything besides your own life.

As for the "stigma", yeah it exists. Even if you just say you use intranasaly, people will look down on you. Shit, I know OxyContin users that look down on heroin! Little do people know...

I think that ntil that stigma is lifted, it's best not to tell anyone that you use or have used dope.

[Black_Pony]

Even that's quite a stretch! I don't know if her 'life is ruined' or not, but I certainly can't tell one way or another from that post.

Shelley, I don't see why you're laughing. You haven't ruined anything besides your own life.

[H-Town]

Thats really messed up that you can come out and say "You ruined your own life". How can you judge someone like that when you have never even met them before. Maybe she is living her life to the fullest and coudlnt be happier. Just because she use's she ruined her life, Thats really fucked up to say.

Maybe you ruined your life by doing or acting a certain way in the mind of others...

-H

[WarmCyanide]

finger pointing we all do it. mine's in my nose right now

praise oxazepam. it just saved my life tonight.

[poonwhalla]

it is just what happens. I just don't tell people anymore about what I do or have done. I do know more people that have died from heroin then other drugs though and they were smart beautiful people and I miss them all. I hate the judgment and the condescending looks I get from people that know what I have done so I don't tell them anymore unless they have something to me to make me feel good.

Its pretty much the same thing that people who will sniff an 8 ball in 2 hours do to those who want to cut to the chase and rock it up ya know. All you have to do is show them the holes in your hands and they will shut the fuck up.

[SHELLEY]

ruined my life?!?!?

...maybe
but i still have fun
and in the end, isn't that what counts?
yeah... yeah it is

[OxyContinuously]

ruined my life?!?!?

...maybe
but i still have fun
and in the end, isn't that what counts?
yeah... yeah it is


yeah sure fun is what counts if u wanna be dead before 30....good life plan, stick to it, you'll go far!!

and to the original poster: there is a difference between acid, and shooting fucking dope.

[SurfRat]

yeah sure fun is what counts if u wanna be dead before 30....good life plan, stick to it, you'll go far!!
Shelley is a very talented writer,
living an intense and challenging life,
sometimes good and sometimes not so good,
but facing it all with courage and style.
That's what I get from reading her posts.
there is a difference between acid, and shooting fucking dope.
Unless they are pharmaceutical grade, either one could be anything, you don't know what you are taking.
But given a choice, I would take the dope.

[Duckfeet]

I knew *something* would make me laugh on here, and this post did it! ;-)


finger pointing we all do it. mine's in my nose right now


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[2HI2C]

let's see which would i rather be?
a raging alcholic, roaring drunk
or a functional heroin addict
hmmmmm let me think i have to pick one or can i do both?
now wait a minute alchohol is legal so therefore it must be better?no?:p

HA! I luv ya, BD! But I was drunk for 10 years, and I would MUCH rather shoot dope than drink a 5th of Jack Daniels every night! (and without a doubt, my wife and kids would vote the same...because they don't really realize I'm shooting dope, but they LOVE Dad the way he is now...)

I know you were being sarcastic, man, but had to reply...

-me-

[MorFinatic]

There are only maybe 2 or 3 non-user friends, one being my g/f, that I've told about my drug use. I think the stigma is a main reason I won't tell anyone, because they all react the same. Everytime that I've used the word "heroin" in front of someone, they gasp or make a surprised ass look. But its ok for someone to casually talk about getting shit-faced drunk every night of the week...

[Ickyuck]

If the drug users who think H is such a horrid terrible dirty low life thing only tried H... sigh. I've heard many a pill head go on a rant about how H is terrible, yet they pop enough pills to get higher than me on one bag of crappy H.


Fuck it, nevermind. But I agree about the negative stigma.

[blackdog]

HA! I luv ya, BD! But I was drunk for 10 years, and I would MUCH rather shoot dope than drink a 5th of Jack Daniels every night! (and without a doubt, my wife and kids would vote the same...because they don't really realize I'm shooting dope, but they LOVE Dad the way he is now...)

I know you were being sarcastic, man, but had to reply...

-me-

2H12C I HEARD THAT I DID. THE BLACKDOG TURNS INTO A MADDOG WHEN THAT SHIT ENTERS MY BODY i'm a door ripping off the hinges type of guy. oh i do hate when that happens
but when da/dawgg do dope and it enters my veins well watch out cause i just might nod out watching tv with you sittin on the couch ........watch out it's a doped dog:rolleyes:

[oxydose]

LOL my old supervisor used to talk trash about all the "dope heads" who worked around the factory, then complain and whine to me until i'd give her a Lortab *ahh my back hurts so bad, i wish i had a tab sooo bad*.

Oh well, a 7.5 or 10 was worth it for me to not have to hear her shit and do all the easy crap she'd have me doing (she had me stick around her). Glad she wasn't a OC fiend, she would of been shit outta luck asking me :P

[zenpunk]

I hate the stigma...my one neighbor is really into coke and I am always polite to him, never judge, don't imbibe in his DOC but will share a J with him from time to time, but yet he gets on my case, despite the fact that my life is together once in awhile he'll start ranting that I'm a "no good fucking junkie".

[oxydose]

I hate the stigma...my one neighbor is really into coke and I am always polite to him, never judge, don't imbibe in his DOC but will share a J with him from time to time, but yet he gets on my case, despite the fact that my life is together once in awhile he'll start ranting that I'm a "no good fucking junkie".


them cokeheads and their long rambling sometimes paranoid rants, i'd tell him to suck it. thats just straight out being a hypocrite, you need to watch who you let know you use, using H is like praticing witchcraft or worshiping Satan to some people these days, its just insane how bad some folks precieve H to be, damn media has done a awesome job brainwashing folks. i've noticed this same shit, being a IV user is another thing that will make ppl think your just totally insane, just another and better ROA, well not really its a lot more than that. but jeez some ppl think your the devil if you know how to use a rig...

[RxQueen]

my take on it is this: tell no one about heroin EVER. tell no one about shooting EVER. treat it like top-secret, classified info.... given on a need-to-know basis only. and no one but me needs to know, unless they do it too. trust me on this.... it WILL be held against you by someone eventually, and they won't be understanding of any viewpoint but their own.

the stigma sucks, but it ain't going anywhere anytime soon. so i live by the theory that the secret best kept is the secret that's never told. yet i still wish it were different...

[SurfRat]

my take on it is this: tell no one about heroin EVER. tell no one about shooting EVER. treat it like top-secret, classified info.... given on a need-to-know basis only. and no one but me needs to know, unless they do it too. trust me on this....
Very good advice!

[SHELLEY]

my take on it is this: tell no one about heroin EVER. tell no one about shooting EVER. treat it like top-secret, classified info.... given on a need-to-know basis only. and no one but me needs to know, unless they do it too. trust me on this.... it WILL be held against you by someone eventually, and they won't be understanding of any viewpoint but their own.

the stigma sucks, but it ain't going anywhere anytime soon. so i live by the theory that the secret best kept is the secret that's never told. yet i still wish it were different...

that only works
if you care what others think
i've reached enlightenment
you know that song by drowning pool
called tearing away
it goes, "i don't care about anyone else but me"
yeah that's how i am
i don't care who knows about me
i don't use it for shock value
because that's just another form of caring what they think

tim mcgraw said
"and since i ain't got nothin'
i got nothin' to hold me back"
hell yes!
i got nothing to lose by people finding out about me
fucking enlightenment

anyway in my 'hood
heroin addicts aren't looked down on nearly as much as
CRACK HEADS
those are the "ultimate scum of the universe"
according to West Palm/Lake Worth mainstream beliefs

ha ha, try being both crackhead and junkie
tons of fun

[Opiyum]

i was hanging out with these people in a college dorm, waiting for some girl who supposedly they said would have the shit or have a connect.

so anyway they start saying shit like "heroin is a drug i would never do" , "there are drugs like weed that you take and you want to do other things on and then theres heroin where you do the drug and thats the end experience", "oh youll get along with this girl you guys can compare track marks", "most of the people i know who used heroin are dead" etc etc

so anyway i defend myself saying how i dont have trackmarks and if you are smart you dont get "trackmarks", and how im not addicted. but they still look at me funny and think im a "junky"

its just sad how my peers perceive heroin. they are complete tools. its just a drug, and injection is just the preferred method of use. i dont drink or smoke or use any drugs other than occasional H but i have been branded "that kid" that people talk about who became "addicted".

the really hypocritical thing is these people are buying and selling ozs of weed and acid and glorifying other drugs like coke and how they dont go to class and just get high all day, meanwhile i never miss class and i have a job along with full time school, and im definetly smarter than all of them.

I understand and empathize with you on all fronts except I gotta say that I don't think one's intelligence has anything to do with track marks. It's been a couple years since I started shooting and I have virtually no scars at all except for maybe the tiniest one on my arm that no one would ever notice but me.
After a binge of course I normally will be pretty marked up but regardless I switch sites regularly and do my best to not reuse needles more than 4-6 times on average and sometimes less.
My point here is that I do a lot to keep myself from getting track marks and for the most part I succeed and when it comes to binges the worst is that I wear long sleeves for a week to a week and a half.
Tell me.
What's so stupid about this behavior?


Honestly I don't really care all that much that you said that but I just wanted to point out that you kinda did the very same thing that your friends did to you. You talk about people missing class, getting high all day and having track marks as if you think that people that do these things are worthy of being judged. You'll always run into trouble judging people by what they do or say or believe.
Of course I have done the same thing before. We all have. It's human nature and as they say when you can't beat them join them and it's so easy to do when someone attacks your way of life.
Fight fire with fire.

So understand that I too am a hypocrite. Since judging people seems so unavoidable this day in age I try to only judge people by how they treat others. Kinda like the quote about how any government should be judged.

Enough Deuschbaggery. I just felt like over analyzing something that wasn't worth it to begin with.

[odd]

I have been clean now for about 2 months now because of this. I have always kept my use a secret, but this time around I decided to let people I know, know that i was using. What an awful mistake that was. One of my good friends who I have known for well over 14 years accused me of stealing from him. Another one accused me of taking his vicodin (hahah, yeah right) all because "well I know you use heroin and I have read what that does to you" I never stole from any of my friends as I make way more money that anyone I know and have always supported my habit.

It broke my heart that people I thought I loved/trusted would think that of me. The anti-drug using, government propaganda is so fucking ridiculous and damaging it's not even funny. I think they destroy more lives and friendships than any drug.

[grant123]

you need to watch who you let know you use, using H is like praticing witchcraft or worshiping Satan to some people these days, its just insane how bad some folks precieve H to be, damn media has done a awesome job brainwashing folks.being a IV user is another thing that will make ppl think your just totally insane, but jeez some ppl think your the devil if you know how to use a rig...


I couldnt aggree more, but you have to realize, the average straight edged american looks at heroin as a drug, and not only that but arguably (spelling) one of the worst ones you can use.

in todays society being dependant on something is looked down on very harshly. And alot of users have no sense of self control or moderation, and the drug becomes #1 priority. They steal, prostitute and do many other activities just to get it. people like this is what a straight edged person think of when they think of a 'heroin addict' it takes a strong person to maintain a habit without being noticed for a long period of time and trying to argue your side of being able to maintain a habit and function with a non user is impossible. they just dont understand.
. and IV'ing oh boy thats a hole nother thing. for the most part i think that all the anti drug people are right when they say that IVing is VERY dangerous and can easily up your odds of getting infected with any nasty disease you can think of by about say 100x. not to mention kill you and bottom line you shouldnt do it. after saying that, i IV tar at least 3x a day. but i still wouldnt tell someone its safe. It has to be a secret, if my peers/family found out i was IVing they would disown me / have a midlife crisis (mom).

done with the rambling hope that made a little sense

people think this way for a reason, because unsafe/sanitary use of it causes serious problems and death.

[Moonrock]

Damn television