15 left

[GoddessofRATs]

Well today was the day i was supposed to take only two MS contins (taken properly) but this just isn't cutting it lol. I have 15 left, plus 1 to take the day before my PM apt so i have Morphine in my system, i won't touch that one though.

So i have 15 left. I think I'm gonna try pluggin 4 and see what happens. I just need some energy. I keep sitting here thinking damn, if i take 6 i can get high, just 6 is all i need but than after those wear off i'll be back to where i was before- damn just 6 will make me high and than I'll be all out. I just have to get to Thursday when i can call for a refill on my Trams.

But yea I'm gonna plug for and try to get threw the day on that. I'm not in w/d but i feel like shit, my body is so used to getting high in the morning and it's talking back to me "What the F*&^ are you doing to me, where's my shit"? LOL.

Anyway, just needed to vent i guess. This sucks lol.

Oh YouWon PM'd me and told me how to plug them, i guess i did it wrong the other day when i did it because i felt nothing. So I'm gonna try it this other way. I just need to get comfy and i can face the day.

GOR

[GoddessofRATs]

Well this Sucks, all i got was a bunch of gelled up crap just like last time and i couldn't pull it up into the syringe. This SUCKS... so, i just ended up swalloing the mess. Oh well. 4 orally isn't gonna do much for me, maybe i'll catch a slight buzz and i can go about my day and than maybe just take 2 before bed. This isn't as easy as i thought it was gonna be.

SHIT

GOR

[youwonhundred]

Well today was the day i was supposed to take only two MS contins (taken properly) but this just isn't cutting it lol. I have 15 left, plus 1 to take the day before my PM apt so i have Morphine in my system, i won't touch that one though.

So i have 15 left. I think I'm gonna try pluggin 4 and see what happens. I just need some energy. I keep sitting here thinking damn, if i take 6 i can get high, just 6 is all i need but than after those wear off i'll be back to where i was before- damn just 6 will make me high and than I'll be all out. I just have to get to Thursday when i can call for a refill on my Trams.

But yea I'm gonna plug for and try to get threw the day on that. I'm not in w/d but i feel like shit, my body is so used to getting high in the morning and it's talking back to me "What the F*&^ are you doing to me, where's my shit"? LOL.

Anyway, just needed to vent i guess. This sucks lol.

Oh YouWon PM'd me and told me how to plug them, i guess i did it wrong the other day when i did it because i felt nothing. So I'm gonna try it this other way. I just need to get comfy and i can face the day.

GOR

I tried to pass along any info I could to help you out, and I hope it does, but (and this is easier said than done, I know) if you wait till you are *almost* in withdrawal, you know, stomach just starts to loosen up, nose just a wee bit runny, etc etc, and plug 3 or 4 pills, just like I explained to you in the PM, it'll creep up on you pretty quick, and you won't feel sick. Admittedly, it isn't like a heroin rush, but it creeps up pretty damn quick, and when you are already on the verge of withdrawal, you wouldn't believe how good it feels. Thus far I have found that if I do em that way, I need a lot less percocets to maintain a steady, not quite high, but relatively pain free, normal day. To give you an example, taking the MS as prescribed, by mouth, not chewed etc, I was generally unable to do most everything, but if I plug 60 mg's twice a day, and take 4-5 percs during the day (i dont really need those, but the energy is nice) I am able to get up, clean, go out and do a lot more. Not only that, but I managed to walk the dog yesterday. When I went to the doc today, he actually told me that looking at my legs, he could tell I had been TOO active, and needed to cut down on whatever I was doing.

Sorry that ran on so long, it really wasn't intended to, but I wanted to share my recent experiences. Much love and good luck to you, GoR.

[southernbelle]

Hon, do your VERY best to hold on to those! I was facing the same thing, only I ate most of mine and now...you guessed it....I'm out. And on top of all that, my diverticulitis picked this weekend to start hurting again (I'm having surgery on 10/3). I'm calling all my docs hoping against hope that *someone* will have mercy on me and call me in something. When this shit starts up it feels like your guts are being twisted and stomped on...owwwww!!

[GoddessofRATs]

Well if i ould get them in the oral syringe I'd love to plug them but it won't work for me. I'm very frustrated with this pluggin thing. I'd be happy to plug 2 and get through the day but i can't get that gelled mess up into the syringe. Obviously i am doing something wrong but I've tried it three different ways via people's instructions and i still have issues with getting the mess up in the syringe.

Oh well.

GOR

[GoddessofRATs]

Southern, so sorry to hear about your flair up.

Holding on to the 11 i have left is gonna be so damn hard, i doubt I'll be able to do it but I'm gonna try.

GOR

Hon, do your VERY best to hold on to those! I was facing the same thing, only I ate most of mine and now...you guessed it....I'm out. And on top of all that, my diverticulitis picked this weekend to start hurting again (I'm having surgery on 10/3). I'm calling all my docs hoping against hope that *someone* will have mercy on me and call me in something. When this shit starts up it feels like your guts are being twisted and stomped on...owwwww!!

[southernbelle]

Thanks hon. Well, one of them just called back and asked "what do you want?" Is he f**king kidding me??? "Well, doc. Some oxy's wouldn't go amiss." Nah, he'd never go for that one. He'd just tell me to meet him in the er. I asked for, and got some lortabs. Yeah, I know. Namby-pamby shit, but it's better than nothing, huh?

[Somanax]

Crush the pill's remove the plunger.

Pour in the morph, replace plunger.

Draw up warm water and shake.

Lube ,insert ,plunge.:D

[zenpunk]

I'll be hanging in with you this morning, flew to mexico overnight and didn't have any problems till i got to my final destination...a little municipal airport. Well they took what wasn't hidden on my person so...gotta make it last.

[slugbone]

I'll be hanging in with you this morning, flew to mexico overnight and didn't have any problems till i got to my final destination...a little municipal airport. Well they took what wasn't hidden on my person so...gotta make it last.

i like the quote. i just listened to that book on a road trip from Portland to Phoenix about two months ago. great book i wish i had gotten into it years earlier

[NastyZilla]

I'll be hanging in with you this morning, flew to mexico overnight and didn't have any problems till i got to my final destination...a little municipal airport. Well they took what wasn't hidden on my person so...gotta make it last.

Holy Shit. That stuff scares the crap out of me, makes me not want to travel.

I hope you'll be home soon?? Best wishes to Zen, Southern, and GOR!

[GoddessofRATs]

WELL I SCREWED UP... I couldn't do it. I failed. I just took a bunch of my Ms contins and now i have 3 left for tomorrow. I just couldn't do it. I was miserable.. not in w/d just miserable because i wasn't high and i said screw it. Now I'm screwed lol. However, i may be able to get my Tramadol early as Wednesday (maybe), if not i can probably get it Thrusday. So i have Tuesday and Wednesday to worry about.

I did try thought... not that hard but i did try to do this.

What the heck is wrong with me, i have no will-power what so ever.

I keep thinking maybe some small miracle will happen and I'll be able to get some poppy seeds to hold me till i get my trams. But yea, right! lol.

Anyway, so i screwed the pooch. I took the dive. Decided to get one last decent high rather than stretchng my remaining Ms contins out.

Oh well... Can't turn back now.

GOR

[slugbone]

WELL I SCREWED UP... I couldn't do it. I failed. I just took a bunch of my Ms contins and now i have 3 left for tomorrow. I just couldn't do it. I was miserable.. not in w/d just miserable because i wasn't high and i said screw it. Now I'm screwed lol. However, i may be able to get my Tramadol early as Wednesday (maybe), if not i can probably get it Thrusday. So i have Tuesday and Wednesday to worry about.

I did try thought... not that hard but i did try to do this.

What the heck is wrong with me, i have no will-power what so ever.

I keep thinking maybe some small miracle will happen and I'll be able to get some poppy seeds to hold me till i get my trams. But yea, right! lol.

Anyway, so i screwed the pooch. I took the dive. Decided to get one last decent high rather than stretchng my remaining Ms contins out.

Oh well... Can't turn back now.

GOR

you gotta strategize a way to drop that tolerance girl... it be so muich more beneficial to your supply problems... or experiemnt with potentiators - newer ones like Jacky has researched like dark chocolate powder and things like that, some herbs etc..

[kyuss]

so i screwed the pooch.
naughty girl.
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[GoddessofRATs]

Jesus and it soooo was NOT worth it. i didn't even get high from all thise MS contins, they gave me a tummy ache and made me sleepy. I'll never learn. WHY DID I DO IT!!! lol.

Right now all i wanna do is veg out and take a nap. This sucks pink banana's big time.

Maybe someday I"ll learn.

GOR

[kyuss]

pink banana's


http://tcwozere.co.uk/smileys/pinkbanana.gif

[slugbone]

http://tcwozere.co.uk/smileys/pinkbanana.gif

When I'm out walking
I strut my stuff
and I'm so strung out

I'm high as a kite
and I just might
Stop and check you out

[jonny-5]

sounds like you need something to supplement your scripts like some good old heroin! too bad it costs money. i cant wait till i buy a house im gonna have a small poppy field and make my own heroin god dammit! thats how i roll.

[kyuss]

When I'm out walking
I strut my stuff
and I'm so strung out

I'm high as a kite
and I just might
Stop and check you out



Let me go on
like I blister in the sun
Let me go on
big hands I
know you're the one



GOR
feeling any better?

[zenpunk]

Holy Shit. That stuff scares the crap out of me, makes me not want to travel.

I hope you'll be home soon?? Best wishes to Zen, Southern, and GOR!

Thanks - well they didn't get my xanax so I can at least go to sleep tonite.

[OhJoy]

Thanks - well they didn't get my xanax so I can at least go to sleep tonite.

Believe me, sleeping is A LOT. Be greateful.


GOR. I know I have no will power either.


Try this... (I think you will be pleasant surprised)

Do this first thing in the morning on an empty stomach.
1 Heaping tablespoon of Thai Kratom micro-fine powder into a shake-able container
1/3 cup of blueberry juice into the same container.
Close and shake vigorously.
Have a cup of hot tea ready.

Now take a big sip of the kratom mix and then a sip of the hot tea and continue until gone.

About 40 minutes after last sip of kratom mix, take 1/2 your typical dose of your DOC.

The last time I did this, I was good for about 6-7 hours.

:D

[GoddessofRATs]

Feeling any better? huh nooo... i slept through the whole dose of Morphine. I took it at like 1:30 and anout 3 o clock i fell asleep. I NEVER SLEEP on opiates like that. I woke up at 5 for some dinner, laid back down and just now woe up at 7:15. What the heck??? That is a first. My Tolerance is so messed up that Morphine just put me to sleep. I need to totally get my tolerance down... and actually i will since i won't be taking much opiates the rest of the month, not till the 8th when i see my pm. I only can get trams and they will only last a few days and than next week i get some vics (Wish i had them now for w/d), Vics do nothing for me but they would help with w/d

I think my body knows whats coming and it's like shutting down, getting some extra sleep now preparing for whats to come over the next few days. The body is darn smart.

At least i have 3 MS contins left. Not sure how I'm gonna take them tomorrow. Maybe 1 in the morning, crushed and swallowed and than every 6-8 hours and hoefully i get Trams on Wed but i just realize i have no money to pay for the damn things. Gotta see if i can borrow money from grams for the trams and pet food.

I'm gonna call it a night i feel like shit, like i have jet lag, isn't that odd?

Well, if i should disapear for a few days you guys no why, may be to sick to get out of bed. But even when I'm in w/d i usually still come on line so hopefully you'll see me around, may not be as active on the forum though.

Have a great night yall. And do me a favor... get high as a kite and think of me ok, if ya got pills take an extra one for me ok. LOL

This is the first time since joining opiophile that I've had to go through w/d can you believe that.

Nighty night all.

GOR

[GoddessofRATs]

Hun, i don't have any Kratom. Sorry, can't do that :(

GOR

Believe me, sleeping is A LOT. Be greateful.


GOR. I know I have no will power either.


Try this... (I think you will be pleasant surprised)

Do this first thing in the morning on an empty stomach.
1 Heaping tablespoon of Thai Kratom micro-fine powder into a shake-able container
1/3 cup of blueberry juice into the same container.
Close and shake vigorously.
Have a cup of hot tea ready.

Now take a big sip of the kratom mix and then a sip of the hot tea and continue until gone.

About 40 minutes after last sip of kratom mix, take 1/2 your typical dose of your DOC.

The last time I did this, I was good for about 6-7 hours.

:D

[Duckfeet]

WD is part of the deal. It's not that bad tho, not always, and not forever. But if we play, we eventually pay, tho we try to avoid it, or put it off, every way possible. The worst thing, probably, is to worry it to death. You might spend three days relatively uncomfortable and somewhat depressed. Don't want to add a week's worth of depression on the inbound side, worrying it. I just try to do the dope, enjoy it, and take the lumps when they come. As best I can.

Or, as I quote elsewhere, get out of the game. To me it's worth it. I've never know the bliss I've known--sometimes--on opiates, particularly if I haven't done'em in a while, or am slightly sick.

But it's not that bad, and hell, if it weren't for withdrawals, *everybody'ed* be doing the shit, and it's scarce enough as it is. Anyway, you aren't out of dope yet, and you'll do fine....

I don't think you're "body knows what's coming." I think your brain has exagerated what you worry is coming. Your body'll go thru it without a problem. Hell, if an old man like me can go thru withdrawals and still function, a youngster like you can do'em standing on your head...which is where most of the problem lies anyway.

I mean, suppose you get lucky and find some dope: all this worrying and hard times would have been for nothing...wait until you have *zero* left, see how u feel. Probably be eating ice cream and watching a movie.

In any case, good luck to you--try to do a little reverse placebo--as I find the worst part is usually in my head,


Feeling any better? huh nooo... i slept through the whole dose of Morphine. I took it at like 1:30 and anout 3 o clock i fell asleep. I NEVER SLEEP on opiates like that. I woke up at 5 for some dinner, laid back down and just now woe up at 7:15. What the heck??? That is a first. My Tolerance is so messed up that Morphine just put me to sleep. I need to totally get my tolerance down... and actually i will since i won't be taking much opiates the rest of the month, not till the 8th when i see my pm. I only can get trams and they will only last a few days and than next week i get some vics (Wish i had them now for w/d), Vics do nothing for me but they would help with w/d

I think my body knows whats coming and it's like shutting down, getting some extra sleep now preparing for whats to come over the next few days. The body is darn smart.

At least i have 3 MS contins left. Not sure how I'm gonna take them tomorrow. Maybe 1 in the morning, crushed and swallowed and than every 6-8 hours and hoefully i get Trams on Wed but i just realize i have no money to pay for the damn things. Gotta see if i can borrow money from grams for the trams and pet food.

I'm gonna call it a night i feel like shit, like i have jet lag, isn't that odd?

Well, if i should disapear for a few days you guys no why, may be to sick to get out of bed. But even when I'm in w/d i usually still come on line so hopefully you'll see me around, may not be as active on the forum though.

Have a great night yall. And do me a favor... get high as a kite and think of me ok, if ya got pills take an extra one for me ok. LOL

This is the first time since joining opiophile that I've had to go through w/d can you believe that.

Nighty night all.

GOR

[moviebuff927]

Goddess of Rats,

I have a lot of respect for you sweetheart, but I hate to hear about your misfortunes. But, what type of generic MS Contin are you getting? As you might know from reading my posts, only certain generic forms of MS Contin work when you try to plug them in a water solution in a certain way.

I'm assuming you're against needles?

Your problem is one of tolerance, but also one of BIOAVAILABILITY! Morphine is one of the worst, if not the worst, opiate to take by mouth because over half of it is destroyed BEFORE IT EVEN REACHES YOUR BLOODSTREAM! On the prescribing information from the manufacturers of MS Contin, they say that the bioavailability of morphine (either conventional IR products or extended release products) is around 40%! That means if you take 100mg of morphine by mouth, you're only really getting around 40mg in your bloodstream! Now, if you were to IV that 100mg, you would be getting 100mg in your bloodstream and one hell of a rush! NOTE: I AM NOT ADVOCATING IV USE, THIS IS JUST FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES TO SHOW YOU HOW MUCH MORE MORPHINE YOU WASTE WHEN TAKING IT BY MOUTH!

But, rectal use is a lot better than oral. Not sure you get 100% of the dose in your bloodstream, but damn near. The secret is to get a syringe without a needle (either 10mL or 5mL or more, not 1mL) and breaking down the pill into water. Now, if you have an Ethex or Mallinckrodt brand of generic MS Contin, all you need to do is take the coating off the pill, let it dry so it's not real wet, crush the pill into a fine powder, heat however much water you plan on putting up your rectum, add the powder, and then pull up through the syringe. And then insert, shoot the solution into your ass and wait. Doesn't take long, you get a lot more of the dose than if you were to take the pills orally, and you have none of the dangers of IV use!

If you have a form that you can't prepare that way because it gels up (i.e. Watson) when you try to add it to hot water, you'll have to crisp the pill, crush up the "tar-like" substance, and then add that powder to the amount of water you'll use to shoot up your ass. Be aware that this method turns the water a dark brown, whereas the the other forms above (Ethex and Mallinkcrodt) will leave the solution clear glass.

Hope this helps!

[kyuss]

Goddess of Rats,

I have a lot of respect for you sweetheart, but I hate to hear about your misfortunes. But, what type of generic MS Contin are you getting? As you might know from reading my posts, only certain generic forms of MS Contin work when you try to plug them in a water solution in a certain way.

I'm assuming you're against needles?

Your problem is one of tolerance, but also one of BIOAVAILABILITY! Morphine is one of the worst, if not the worst, opiate to take by mouth because over half of it is destroyed BEFORE IT EVEN REACHES YOUR BLOODSTREAM! On the prescribing information from the manufacturers of MS Contin, they say that the bioavailability of morphine (either conventional IR products or extended release products) is around 40%! That means if you take 100mg of morphine by mouth, you're only really getting around 40mg in your bloodstream! Now, if you were to IV that 100mg, you would be getting 100mg in your bloodstream and one hell of a rush! NOTE: I AM NOT ADVOCATING IV USE, THIS IS JUST FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES TO SHOW YOU HOW MUCH MORE MORPHINE YOU WASTE WHEN TAKING IT BY MOUTH!

But, rectal use is a lot better than oral. Not sure you get 100% of the dose in your bloodstream, but damn near. The secret is to get a syringe without a needle (either 10mL or 5mL or more, not 1mL) and breaking down the pill into water. Now, if you have an Ethex or Mallinckrodt brand of generic MS Contin, all you need to do is take the coating off the pill, let it dry so it's not real wet, crush the pill into a fine powder, heat however much water you plan on putting up your rectum, add the powder, and then pull up through the syringe. And then insert, shoot the solution into your ass and wait. Doesn't take long, you get a lot more of the dose than if you were to take the pills orally, and you have none of the dangers of IV use!

If you have a form that you can't prepare that way because it gels up (i.e. Watson) when you try to add it to hot water, you'll have to crisp the pill, crush up the "tar-like" substance, and then add that powder to the amount of water you'll use to shoot up your ass. Be aware that this method turns the water a dark brown, whereas the the other forms above (Ethex and Mallinkcrodt) will leave the solution clear glass.

Hope this helps!


Good advice.
Morphine is one
of the worst for oral use.

[jonny-5]

Feeling any better? huh nooo... i slept through the whole dose of Morphine. I took it at like 1:30 and anout 3 o clock i fell asleep. I NEVER SLEEP on opiates like that. I woke up at 5 for some dinner, laid back down and just now woe up at 7:15. What the heck??? That is a first. My Tolerance is so messed up that Morphine just put me to sleep. I need to totally get my tolerance down... and actually i will since i won't be taking much opiates the rest of the month, not till the 8th when i see my pm. I only can get trams and they will only last a few days and than next week i get some vics (Wish i had them now for w/d), Vics do nothing for me but they would help with w/d

I think my body knows whats coming and it's like shutting down, getting some extra sleep now preparing for whats to come over the next few days. The body is darn smart.

At least i have 3 MS contins left. Not sure how I'm gonna take them tomorrow. Maybe 1 in the morning, crushed and swallowed and than every 6-8 hours and hoefully i get Trams on Wed but i just realize i have no money to pay for the damn things. Gotta see if i can borrow money from grams for the trams and pet food.

I'm gonna call it a night i feel like shit, like i have jet lag, isn't that odd?

Well, if i should disapear for a few days you guys no why, may be to sick to get out of bed. But even when I'm in w/d i usually still come on line so hopefully you'll see me around, may not be as active on the forum though.

Have a great night yall. And do me a favor... get high as a kite and think of me ok, if ya got pills take an extra one for me ok. LOL

This is the first time since joining opiophile that I've had to go through w/d can you believe that.

Nighty night all.

GOR

yea, as someone stated the other day (and im not sure if this is a fact or a theory, but it seems true to me), your brain builds tolerance to the euphoria much quicker than the sedative properties. so as your tolerance goes up, it takes more and more to get the euphoria (as we all know all too well) but it will still knock you out like a motherfucker. thats when i know i need to take a break for a little while, once i cant really get high anymore, i just get tired and fall asleep. damn girl i wish i could share my suboxone with you to help, but then again you would get your script on thursday or friday or whatever you said and you wouldnt be able to feel it. but its the thought that counts, right?

jonny-5

[youwonhundred]

Goddess, I'm sorry you have to go through this, but unfortunately it is part of our lifestyle. It sucks that much worse for us CP patients, since we deal with the double whammy of W/D and pain, so this, while its good advice, isn't going to sound like a picnic. Wait as long as humanly possible between doses, and just try and see if you can get by with one every 8-10 hours. I know its hard as fuck, but at the very least, you have stretched out your semi comfort zone a bit farther. TBH, I have found I can get by with 1 MS every 12-14 hours, and no percs (I generally run out of those first) if I allow myself to actually start getting sick before I dose. I heard someplace, the sicker you are, the less it takes to get you well.

Uncle Bill, I think it was, but I could be wrong.

Good luck, you're in this opiated reverend's prayers

[antigonemuse]

body beats, i stain my sheets
i dont even know why
my girlfriend, shes at the end
she is starting to cry

let me go wild
like a blister in the sun
big hands i know your the one

(aint this tune about masterbation?)

[antigonemuse]

GOR - you need to use more water so it is loose, if you use more water you will have a slight thick, bit fluid , not gelled, morph solution.... and use a doushe container,,, it will hold all the water, and is more comfy to plug with

[southernbelle]

Holy Shit. That stuff scares the crap out of me, makes me not want to travel.

I hope you'll be home soon?? Best wishes to Zen, Southern, and GOR!

Thanks hon. I got 30 lortabs, refilled hubby's script *10* days in advance, so we have 90 lortabs between us. It doesn't take much to get him right, but I need a little more so it's all good. Oooooo, 'belle's floatin' this morning. :D

[NV12]

**singing quietly**

When I'm walking
I strut my stuff
and I'm so strung out

I'm high as a kite
I just might
stop to check you out


Might as well add to it, my fave part anyway.. :D

[zenpunk]

Slept like 10 hours as well last night and woke up feeling like hell...I was worried I wouldn't be able to work. But doled out a very small amount of Hydro to myself as I've gotta be here till Friday and between that and the fantastic Coca-Cola they have here in the bottles with all that caffeine and all that carbonation I at least appear to be working sensibly. I have to be smart and take the minimum amount to function and not tear through what little I have. Hopefully tomorrow will be better. It sucks when you have to speak your second language as well (Spanish) just talking to someone is so much effort, especially when you don't feel well.

I can't wait to go home.

[GoddessofRATs]

Thanks for all the advice people.

OMG, that Morphine dose made me sleep about 15 hours. I don't think I've slept so hard in over a year. I never do stuff like this so yea, it's my tolerance... it didn't get me high but it made me sleep. But, i won't be taking Morphine till the 8th so hopefully my tolerance will go down and also when i get my next script I'm gonna fallow all your advice, i know i said I'd do better this month but i didn't have all the knowledge even though i read old threads on Morphine, sometimes you stick to with what ya know and that was oral for me.

I do get the mallies... so i guess i need more water but I'll perfect it next month but actually i don't want Morphine anymore, it gives me tummy aches, isn't helping with pain and all it does is make me sleep, so I'm gonna talk to my doc, i won't tell him it makes me sleep though, don't wanna raise any flags. I'll just tell him the Morphine isn't agreeing with me anymore and hopefully he'll switch me to Oxycontin, i know he prescribes those and fent patches, so it will be one of the two. I have a great relationship with him and he always tells me to tell him if something isn't working because he wants to help me find the right balance. So, I'm not worried about telling him the morphine isn't working. Now of course I also don't wanna take it because of the rec value and my system but I'm not telling him that lol.

So, i only have 3 left. And that oral syringe i bought sucks so i'll be doing crushed and swallowed but I'm trying to wait until i go into w/d before taking those 3 but it's soooo hard. But, if i just take all 3 now i know i won't feel much so it would be better if i waited till i was in the beginning of w/d. We'll see how the day goes.

If i borrow some money from grams i could get a little poppy seed tea but last night i was thinking it's not worth it because if i can't get high from 8 Ms contins i ain't gonna get high of my already large amount of seeds i use lol. So, just better to sit it out and try and get my Trams tomorrow.


Duck.. yea i know that i am making it out to be worse than it will probably be but I'm a classic worry wort so everything gets magnified for me but I'm trying to not let it get to me.

Well, again... thanks for all the kind words and great advice.

GOR

[GoddessofRATs]

Well i decided to take my remaining 4, even the one i was saving for the dya before my doc apt so i have it in my system but i'll just drink some poppy seed tea the day before like last month.

I was feeling fine, no w/d but when i was coming back from the store i felt it, i started sweating and achy and my back pain was so bad so i said F*&# it and took all 4- crushed and swallowed. Oh well. I'm gonna be in w/d regardless if i took those 4 or not, might as well take them and feel so-so for a few hours. Tonight is gonna be the hard part and the morning waiting to see if i can get my Trams early.

I don't know what these 4 will make me feel, it's been about 24 hours since i took my last dose but Morphine stays in your system for a long time so i probably won't feel much even though I'm in the beginning of w/d. I guess I'm jsut lucky i had these 4 left.

Well, i hope everyone is having a nice day. Belle, i hope those Lortabs help. 90 wouldn't last me but 4 days probably. I get 90 vics next week from a source but all they'll do is keep the w/d's away, I"m just happy i get those 90 a month from my source. You got them 10 days early? The earliest i could get vics (when i was presribed them) was like 2 days but i got 50 every 2 weeks so if it were 100 every month I could get them as early as 4 days. My other source can get them about 6 days early.

GOR

[oxydose]

Well this Sucks, all i got was a bunch of gelled up crap just like last time and i couldn't pull it up into the syringe. This SUCKS... so, i just ended up swalloing the mess. Oh well. 4 orally isn't gonna do much for me, maybe i'll catch a slight buzz and i can go about my day and than maybe just take 2 before bed. This isn't as easy as i thought it was gonna be.

SHIT

GOR

told ya so ;p

[GoddessofRATs]

I am so frickin' tempted to call my doc and say i can't tolerate these Ms contins anymore. I'm sure he'd tell me to come in to try something else but there is one problem with that... I'm not sure they'd ask to see the remaining Ms contins. IF they did i guess i could say something like "I got so upset with the pills i threw them out" or flushed them lol. But, that would probably be a major red flag? If it wasn't for that I'd call him. Those 4 i took gave me a bit of a tummy ache but i do feel a tiny bit high and comfortable. That will last a few hours and than I'm back to square one.

My body is so sore but that has been happening for a month now, it has nothing to do with w/d or anything. This is something i need to talk to my doc about. I'm not sure what it is, my body is always aching even when i take my Morphine and/or Roxi's, it's really strange. When i wake up in the morning i am so stiff and sore and it takes like 5 hours for it to go away and it totally never goes away. This started like a month ago, i have no idea what it is.

Anyway... god i am so tempted to call my doc. I know i won't but i keep thinking about it. If it wasn't for them asking about the remaining ms contins It would be fine.

GOR

[bronyraur]

I am so frickin' tempted to call my doc and say i can't tolerate these Ms contins anymore. I'm sure he'd tell me to come in to try something else but there is one problem with that... I'm not sure they'd ask to see the remaining Ms contins. IF they did i guess i could say something like "I got so upset with the pills i threw them out" or flushed them lol. But, that would probably be a major red flag?

You better fucking believe it.

You just have to wait until your PM appointment. You mentioned your doc Rx's OxyContin and fentanyl. Fentanyl would probably be a good option for you since you mention not having lots of willpower. At least if you had fentanyl patches, you couldn't just take an extra patch just to get a buzz (well you could, but it probably kill you...).

The only thing I'm gonna say is that if you are going to be in pain management a long time, you're screwing yourself by trying to get high before getting your pain under control.

For me, the dose that gets me high and the dose that controls pain are very different. So my goal is have a dose Rx'ed that is somewhere between pain relief and getting high. This way it's possible for me to get a nod if I want to, but I still have reasonable pain control.

Just my two cents.

[GoddessofRATs]

GOT MY TRAMS, just in time to. I thought for sure i was gonna wake up in full blown w/d but i was so- so, when i woke up i had shaky hands, i was sweating and i felt the nasty stomach feeling and it felt like i was about to have the runs. I woke up in mild w/d and by night time it would have been full blown.

I never did get my trams last night but i did alright actually. I had a comfy and content evening. So this morning i wake up at 10 am and call the pharmacy and he says no one has called back and he faxed them as well. SO i thought this was odd so i called the doc office myself and i got the recording. I thought shit, i bet the doc is out of town and i am screwed. So a few minutes later i call again, still got the recording and than i try again, still got a recording. SO than i call back to get the docs pager number and finally someone answered. I explained to them that the pharmacy had been calling since yesterday and he kept getting the recording. She explained "Well, i was all alone and didn't want to answer the phone" i said ok, well I'll tell him he can call now. So the pharmacist calls back and they approved it right away. So i finally got my trams.

I don't feel back to myself yet. For some reason it takes a few hours for w/d to go away with Trams, takes a good 2 hours but i do feel better. Sweet relief. I can function properly now. I feel even better in a couple hours.

I'm gonna read up on Tramadol's bioavailibility and see what it says.

GOR

[Seedy]

^^ Nice to hear you're a functional opiophile again. Mee too, I thought I'd have to suffer work in withdrawals today, but no. It's good to be sorted.

[GoddessofRATs]

If anyone's interested i just read up on Tramadol's oral Bioavalibility and it's 75%, that's not to bad. I figured it would be about that. I wonder how pluggin' it would work, maybe increase the bioavailibilty and i wouldn't have to take so much.

Hmmm, just thinking out loud.

GOR

[GOLD N DIEMONDS]

Yup, I would plug and note the results. You are one of the few this works with, so it would be very interesting to see what differences there would be between the two methods. And it a very good reason to start a new 'plugging' thread. We need more of those!

(do you have enough now to stay well until Doc. appt? )

[GoddessofRATs]

Sadly, no... I don't have enough to make it to the 8th but i do get some vics next monday but they have a tendency to make me sick but they'll keep the w/d's away. I might be able to make those last to the 8th because i don't like them and they make me sick usually i won't take that much.

I'll try pluggin' the Trams tomorrow or the next day and I'll let ya guys know the results.

GOR

[rachamim18]

Zen: Did you have a prescription though? I have travelled with all kinds of Scripts, last time being 14 bottles of 160 mg. methadone and had no problem in the 3 nations I passed via Customs (From Israel to the US, Taiwan, and Philippines. The first is not going to sweat a Sctipted medicine from an ertswhile ally but the last two are anal as hell with Taiwan giving notice in the International Arrivals hall that methadone (plus two other Opiated CDSs) is prohibited on all grounds.

Admittedly I have only flown into to Mexico (Monterrey) once (plus 1 land crossing via Laredo) and that was in the mid 90s but I cannot believe, well imagine anyway, that Mexico could be that way over Srcipted medicines. It is a Human Rights issue anyway as long as it is not a nationally prohibted medicine like I expereinced in Taiwan. Mexico still has methadone so that would not be the case.

Anyway, that sucks but at least it is Mexico, if you take a tad bit of iniative you can get almost anything, as long as it is south of the International (their border security corridor) Zone, even if within that zone there is stuff to be had with more legwork and for more money (save Tar and if you ar elucky Mud, which are cheaper and more available if you have patience).

Sure sucks being in a foreign country without things (drugs of course) you are used to.

G-Dess: To build a bit on my post above, in relation to your not being able to control yourself with regards to your morphine tabs....

I had the SAME, EXACT thing happen to me about a month ago so do not feel so bad. It is just the way the game goes sometimes.

In my case I had 1 bottle of 50 tablets of 20 mg. morphine IR (local generic version so that I cannot inject them in good faith not knowing the binder and filler ratio and it being impossible to get micronfilters here). Went to another island (Cebu) to re-up my Immigration Status and bought that one bottel to sate me. I will not bore you iwth the sordid details (although if i might say so myself it was an interesting tale)

On sleeping as you go into W/D, it happens to almost all people. The first day is alot of yawning and then knock out for up to 20 hours (close to it for me). The 2nd day os where the fun is at, alot of chills, sweating, GI pain, malaise (mental piss poor attitude), and then progressing into diahrreah and sometimes vomiting, restless leg syndrome, and lower back pain....Wake up, if you sleep at all ,for the 3rd day and the symptoms have alleviated somewhat so that by that evening you should mentally be feeling ALOt better having jumped through those hoops. Sleep a bit and for the 4th day you feel on top of the world...then start it all again,ha!

OhJoy: "Kratom for w/d." Not really realistic advice. First, most of what is sold online is bunk. Then, even if you have the real thing, it is not really worrth anything save for those with perhaps a codeine or hydrocodone habit and even for them it is iffy.

Kratom's predominant alkaloid is Mitragynine, and to alot lesser degree 7-hydroxy. Both DO have a TINY BIT of crossover one ONE RECEPTOR. This modicum of crossover however is dependant upon exact dosing. If you exceed the neccessary dosage you fall into stimulant effects and the last thing most detoxing junies want to hear about is stimulant effects,Yikes!

It has no cossover tolerance so that if a person is sick from opiate/opioid W/D, Kratom or its main alkaloids will do absolutely nothing to alleviate the symptoms BUT IT CAN help mentally and that is more than northing I guess.

I remember taking Ativan in NYC when sick and although knowing it was doing nothing for me, mentally it did help me a bit.

Johnny: "Growing poppies at the house I will buy." If you live in America, you will not have the house too long.

[rachamim18]

Duckfeet said it best, and almost all long term users/addicts will agree. You play, you pay as that great philosopher Baretta once said.

Duck also offered a couple of other valuable points in that worrying about it is just going to make it that much worse, in virtually every case there is nothing to really worry about (scratch that if you have a concurrent medical condition like HIV or Hep-C). Also a great point is the reward at the end of the tunnel, Opiate naivete, or in laymens' terms, NO TOLERANCE!

G-Dess: On seed tea...You probably already know that seeds do not contain any alkaloids (good stuff) whatsoever but do SOMETIMES have a tiny bit of residual coating If unwashed (most seeds are pressure wasahed-best bet on thjat is to buy bulk lots as in some ethnic stores, Indo Pak almost always will have it in huge bins and even pieces of pods.

If you live in America, and most other places in the West, you can get whole unscored pods from floral supply houses. Wholesale distributors specialising in dried flowers are the best. Just do not be too obvious about it or some Puritan might get the itch to play moralpolice.

As you correctly said though, being addicted to morph9ine , you will not find any relief in tea of anykind, certainly not seed tea although you might, if lucky, find relief for some of those physical and even mental symptoms.

Subjectively, I had gone CT from 160 (usually 190 and up to 220) mgs. of methadone here and took a terrible chance by orering dried pods from N. America (10 grams of poppy seed here is death penalty). It came on my almost 9th day of CT and immediately made tea.

My tolerance was down to zero, not having had physical W/D for 2 days . Drank 8 large containers of tea (perhaps total of 4 liters of very concentrated tea: 5 pods per coffe cup amount of water with each glass of tea fresh brewed so that it was VERY concentrated). All I got was my eyes pinned (do not know the word actually in English, guess contracting? Used to say "dilated" but realise that is the oppiste) and some moderate histamine release (scratching). Those 2 thingd slone did wonders for me mentally but sadly, I did not feel a damn thing other than that... I almost died for some scratching...Yikes (again).

"Tramadol." Strange substance. It DOEs have some Mu agonism (Mu is the , well actually Mu2, receptor responsible for euphoria), but it also has SSRI effects on uptake AND a low threshold for toxicity . 400 mgs in 24 hours is the threshold, after that you are in danger f seizures. Almost all people get absolutely nothing from it, either in analgesia nor in euphoria.

This country has absolutely no morphine, does not sotck codeine at all (not exaggeration, actual fact) but with Tramadol it is even looser than America and Canada. Canada is adding it to Scheduale, America is considering doing so and already the FDA requires paperwork on it, but here it is OTC in the few places that stock it. I am happy though that you at least gain benefit from it.

[GoddessofRATs]

Well i have gotten high off of poppy seed tea after taking morphine for 2 weeks BUT i needed a lot of seeds and it costed me to much. That's why I"m not even bothering with it for now.

I already know that stuff about PST and Tramadol but thanks.

GOR

[Seedy]

As you correctly said though, being addicted to morph9ine , you will not find any relief in tea of anykind, certainly not seed tea although you might, if lucky, find relief for some of those physical and even mental symptoms.



I would have thought that since morphine is the predominant alkaloid in seed or pod tea that tea would work fine to alleve wd's from morphine. Unfortunately M alone probably wouldn't give you full relief from wd's from pod or seed tea because of all the other alkaloids present. Don't underestimate the power of tea!

[antigonemuse]

hey rat lady

im gonna email you tonight... please check your email and get back to me