Plugging didn't work

[GoddessofRATs]

Hmmmm... well ok, i got that great oral syuringe today. I plugged 4 Ms contin (30 mgs) and i felt nothing but sleepiness. I got so mad i than took 8 pills (crushed and swallowed) and all it made me feel was sleepy. Now if this is tolerance than this means I'd need like 10-12 to get high. This is just ridiculous. I've had it up to here with Morphine. Next time i go to the doc I'm going to tell him my problems with Ms contin- Stomach aches and they aren't really working.

My Roxi's are amazing though. So I'm hoping my doc just switches me to Oxycontin. I know he prescribes it because a few patience i spoke to in the waiting from said they are on it. Now his associate, the pain doc i saw the first time i was there WILL NOT prescribe it. But, my new doc will. So hopefully he'll switch me. I'm like 90% sure he will and won't have a problem with it. Of course i won't ask for it, I'm jsut going to tell him that MS contin has started giving me tummy aches (which it has) and it's not doing anything for my pain (Which is true) but also i can't seem to get high on Morphine anymore, it just sucks. So I'd rather be on Oxycontin.

Anyway.. could i have done something wrong. What i did was crush the pills up, mix with water and shoot it up my butt. I thought that i wouldn't need as much if i plugged but that wasn't the case at all. I barely felt it when i plugged and all i got was sleepy but.. i had the same affect when i took 8 of them, like right now... about an hour after i took the 8 all i feel is sleepy. All i wanna do is go lay down which is what I"m gonna do soon.

Anyway.. what did i do wrong?

GOR

[Seedy]

I think some people have less absorbant buttholes than others. I've never had too much luck with plugging. Maybe It's becaus I'm alawys semi constipated and there's too much shit up there, who knows.

[GoddessofRATs]

Oh that make sense, I'm always constipated to, in fact i am today. TMI... sorry lol.

GOR

[GoddessofRATs]

Ps... hey i just hit the 1000 post mark. Wooo whoooo!

GOR

[Seedy]

Congrats on the big millenium! I was just thinking, last time I tried plugging the big M I thought it wasn't gonna work but 3 hours later I was pretty nicely toasted. How long ago did you make the insersion?

And what does TMI mean? I've never seen that TLA

[Duckfeet]

I joke around a lot. Plugging was really just a way to deal with my veins. They are pretty much shot, but I can still fix in a pinch, but *tar* is bad news on veins, even good ones, and if they aren't good, it kind of finishes'em off. I won't go into all the details, but I just sort of stumbled on plugging out of desperation: I was sick, up to about a sixty dollar gram a day of tar, and couldn't stop, and yet both arms were aching, and I'd spend hrs at night, trying to find a vein in ankles, crap like that...so one morning, sick, I just plugged a whole gram, it was all cooked up in the spoon, and yanked the needle off, shoved it up there, then felt like crapping, so layed down.

Like I said, I was sick, kicking, and laying there miserable, and about ten minutes into it, I started to feel better, and somwhere in there I felt good enough to know it was the tar, and that began a daily routine, which lasted a couple of months. I never did get a rush, never really "liked it" and periodically would fix again, just to get the rush, which, from tar, I never liked that much...not much euphoria, mostly hard and deadly, to me...reminded me of morphine or codeine, not heroin...

Eventually, spending money, and a little reflection, finally I figured methadone, which I don't particularly care for, would probably be better, and for sure, cheaper...so that's where I'm at...

But plugging, again, is just a way to get right...I can feel it coming on, if I'm slightly sick, but it 's a lot like methadone, to me, where if I don't pay attention, I'll miss it...

didn't want you to have to high of expectations of it...best wishes, welcome to another facet of the junky life.....

[CIIORNOTHING]

Hey goddess, how long you been on the MS? With me, the longer I use MS the more it loses its cool histamine rush awesome high and the more it sedates me and gives me nasuea and stomach problems. Its why dilaudid is the king of kings, none of that with dilaudid from my experience. So generally, i switch to dilly or take some time off the MS, and when I come back to her she is good to me again like I like it.

good luck !!

[GoddessofRATs]

I've been on Ms contin for 3 months, and it was this month i started having these probs with it; stomach ache and super sleepiness. And no, i don't get any rush whatsoever. I'm hoping doc can switch me to something else.

GOR

[CIIORNOTHING]

I've been on Ms contin for 3 months, and it was this month i started having these probs with it; stomach ache and super sleepiness. And no, i don't get any rush whatsoever. I'm hoping doc can switch me to something else.

GOR


Yep, your ready to switch. Or least for a break. Three months is more than where it made me start to feel lethargic and naseuas. Go to hydromorph or Fent or Oxycodone.....and then back.

[GoddessofRATs]

Yea, that's what I'm hoping for. Is Hydromorth dilaudid? I wasn't on MS contin for 3 months straight though because it only lasted me a week or so so i do get brakes but my tolernace still doesn't go down for some reason, maybe from tea and pods.

GOR

[Duckfeet]

Yep, hydromorphone is dilaudid...good stuff, should be available over the counter, solve everybody's problem, and cut way down on illegal drug use... ;-)

Yea, that's what I'm hoping for. Is Hydromorth dilaudid? I wasn't on MS contin for 3 months straight though because it only lasted me a week or so so i do get brakes but my tolernace still doesn't go down for some reason, maybe from tea and pods.

GOR

[GoddessofRATs]

you i totally agree with that. Would be a beautiful world if it was over the counter. But that will never happen :(

I've gotten dilaudid in the ER and i LOVE IT.

GOR

[shaunclo]

Yep, hydromorphone is dilaudid...good stuff, should be available over the counter, solve everybody's problem, and cut way down on illegal drug use... ;-)

LOL, good ol' Duck.I never really got into daily use with pods, but I do know that a couple of my friends who did said that the stuff blew up their tolerance. People underestimate Pods, they are fuckin strong as hell and if you used a lot of them than your tolerance really is sky high. This is the problem with opiates, after a while that rush isnt their anymore and you start chasing and chasing and chasing until your spending so much fuckin money your broke! Best advice would be to spend a week taking absolutley the lowest amount of morph to just get by. After you take some wait till your hurting to dose again, and only take just enough to make you feel a bit better. After about a week of that you should be able to get pretty fucked up again. Thats what you have to do if you wanna get high. You have to take breaks or lower the tolerance.

[rachamim18]

It is not that pods are strong at all.

Almost all pods produce less than 100 mgs. of opium, often less than 50 mgs., and that opium is usually less than 10% morphine and 2% codeine. You are talking about 5 mgs. or morphine and roughly 1 mg. codeine in RAW opium - Unscored pods like the ones almost always used in tea have powderised opium...Tea made from water fails to extract more than 80% of available alkaloids so that you net, per pod in tea, 4 mgs. of morphine and .80 mg. of codeine. Let us say the average serving of tea uses 5 pods, 20 mgs. of morphine and 4 mgs. of codeine reach your system.

We all know they are subject to first pass metabolosm which means you only get 30 to 35% of all alkaloids you consume so you are actually using 6 mgs. morphine and 1.20 mgs. of codeine. Not much at all.

The problem comes in when you can no longer consume enough alakloids to sate your addiction, even if you continuously drink tea from dawn to dusk. Plugging overcomes this ceiling , for a while anyway.

Best bet to regain your desired effect is to simply go CT and suffer for 3 to 4 days. It is hell for sure, but the reward is heaven, right? I am actually CT now for my second day and although it is more than uncomfortable, it will be worth it.

[Thebane]

Rachamim, you seem to consistently underestimate pods.

2 Jumbo pods (2 tablespoons of ground material) can get someone with a low tolerance high for at least 8 hours, usually more like 10. (This is of course eaten)


How do you explain this? It has been reported countless times on this site and others by many opiate-experienced people. You seem to know a lot about dosages, how much morphine does it usually take a person with a low tolerance to feel? And take into account pods have more in them since they last longer, a result of the time taken for the fibrous material to break down, causing more alkaloids to be released over time.

[Seedy]

^^ Yeah I agree. I think the figures that rachamim is quoting is based on the ammount of raw opium you can get from bleeding a pod which I believe is a small fraction of what is actually contained in the plant material.

Pods fucking kick ass and anyone that denies this hasn't tried a proper dose.

It is not that pods are strong at all.

Almost all pods produce less than 100 mgs. of opium, often less than 50 mgs., and that opium is usually less than 10% morphine and 2% codeine. You are talking about 5 mgs. or morphine and roughly 1 mg. codeine in RAW opium - Unscored pods like the ones almost always used in tea have powderised opium...Tea made from water fails to extract more than 80% of available alkaloids so that you net, per pod in tea, 4 mgs. of morphine and .80 mg. of codeine. Let us say the average serving of tea uses 5 pods, 20 mgs. of morphine and 4 mgs. of codeine reach your system.

We all know they are subject to first pass metabolosm which means you only get 30 to 35% of all alkaloids you consume so you are actually using 6 mgs. morphine and 1.20 mgs. of codeine. Not much at all.

The problem comes in when you can no longer consume enough alakloids to sate your addiction, even if you continuously drink tea from dawn to dusk. Plugging overcomes this ceiling , for a while anyway.

Best bet to regain your desired effect is to simply go CT and suffer for 3 to 4 days. It is hell for sure, but the reward is heaven, right? I am actually CT now for my second day and although it is more than uncomfortable, it will be worth it.

[wafflehead77]

I know there is alot more to pods than just morphine, but on average I can ingest 3-5 tbsp of grounds, and I am much higher than I am after 120-140mg of morphine (oral) or about 60mg rectal.

If there is not much morph or codeine, than why is it that a few tablespoons can get people so high? I know there is something like 15-30 active alkaloids in opium, but arent the vast majority of the analgesic and euphoric effects caused by the morph, codeine, with thebaine and maybe noscapine and papaverine adding some.

It just wouldnt make sense if there is only low ( under 20mg) of morphine, and even less codeine?

Do noscapine, papaverine, etc even stimulate u receptors?

[JonnyMohawk]

The only time I ever plugged it didnt work but Im not against trying it again ;]

[I-Nod]

It is not that pods are strong at all.

Almost all pods produce less than 100 mgs. of opium, often less than 50 mgs., and that opium is usually less than 10% morphine and 2% codeine. You are talking about 5 mgs. or morphine and roughly 1 mg. codeine in RAW opium - Unscored pods like the ones almost always used in tea have powderised opium...Tea made from water fails to extract more than 80% of available alkaloids so that you net, per pod in tea, 4 mgs. of morphine and .80 mg. of codeine. Let us say the average serving of tea uses 5 pods, 20 mgs. of morphine and 4 mgs. of codeine reach your system.

We all know they are subject to first pass metabolosm which means you only get 30 to 35% of all alkaloids you consume so you are actually using 6 mgs. morphine and 1.20 mgs. of codeine. Not much at all.

The problem comes in when you can no longer consume enough alakloids to sate your addiction, even if you continuously drink tea from dawn to dusk. Plugging overcomes this ceiling , for a while anyway.

Best bet to regain your desired effect is to simply go CT and suffer for 3 to 4 days. It is hell for sure, but the reward is heaven, right? I am actually CT now for my second day and although it is more than uncomfortable, it will be worth it.

Is Seedy correct in saying that you're talking about milking the pods? If not, where did you get the figure that we are only extracting 20% of the available alkaloids when we prepare a tea? I'd like to read this article/ study.

That extraction process (water extraction) has even been adopted by pharmaceutical companies and even the illicit crowds, due to it's quicker extraction time, less manpower, and lowered production costs. I'd imagine if this process was only netting 20%, then the big pharma's would find a process w/ better yield than that. Please, any articles or references you have would be appreciated, bro. This is one subject that interests me to no end... I can't learn enough about it to satiate my opio-appetite! Thanks in advance for any info, sir!!


^^ Yeah I agree. I think the figures that rachamim is quoting is based on the ammount of raw opium you can get from bleeding a pod which I believe is a small fraction of what is actually contained in the plant material.

Pods fucking kick ass and anyone that denies this hasn't tried a proper dose.

I agree, Seedy. Pods do kick ass, there's no doubt about that. Perhaps some of the lesser known alkaloids are what act as the "time release"? Or, they are enzyme inhibitors and keep it pumping through the liver again and again w/ out getting metabolized on the first pass? Strange little plant, indeed, and one that I can never learn enough about too! Luckily I remove all doubt and eat the grounds, easiest preparation to date and a great source of fiber :D