First experience day before last.

[Mark]

I finally got ahold of about .3-something-grams of tar. Tried smoking chasing it but I couldn't get off on it, I think I just wasted about 3 bb sized pieces. At this point I figured the shit was no good, so I got a piece about the size of a pinky nail clipping, (about 1 1/2 a BB) and boiled it down on a spoon. My intention the entire time was to bang it up but I had no works, so I just boiled it up and hotrailed it off a spoon. Burned like greek fire for about 10 seconds, 1 minute later I noticed a small vision change, real mild, just shit looked... different, then I was thinking "that's it?" and by the time I took 3 more steps all my hearing got real quiet, the room got dimmer, and I was feeling AWESOME. Great experience, did the rest of the sack in a 2 day period along with letting a few others have a taste. Everyone loved it (of course). From what I've heard you haven't really tried H until you've banged it, so I can't wait. Anyways, I'll post again when I get that experience down. And thank you for the help, you know who you are.

[milky_tears]

Just be carefull brother.

[GMorris]

REAL careful. It IS a great experience, but I can tell you from MY experience that once you go too far down that road it's really hard to find the way back. Enjoy in moderation, my friend!

[Mark]

Ah, I gotta drive about an hour to pick up anything, so it's not really a habit just something I do when I've got the extra cash and time. Don't worry, I lack the resources to be a junky ;)

[candy]

Mark,
it is not so much as your lacking the resources for heroin that makes it dangerous, but your lacking a tolerance to heroin that can be dangerous.
Be careful!

[Mark]

I understand totally and believe me when I say that I am quite cautious when it comes to picking amounts to fuck with, I always start small if that doesn't do it I usually do tiny tiny little chips until I get to exactly where I want to be. I usually stop right before you get the "assisted breathing" feeling (anyone who's been really high knows exactly what I'm talking about.) If I ever do get that feeling I always force myself to get up and I go walk around the block and smoke a cigarette or something to keep the heart rate up before I call it quits for the night. If I feel like I'm ANYWHERE near ODing I always do this as a general rule of thumb just to play it safe.

[milky_tears]

I gotta drive about an hour to pick up anything, so it's not really a habit

SWIM used to sit in a piss drenched, train toilet cubicle, with no seat on the loo for 3 HOURS A DAY to go and score!!! (To avoid the ticket guy)

Once you're hooked, you'd crawl through shit, "Shawshank Redemption" style for a bag.

Once or twice a month is ok, any more than that and you're starting to play with fire.

[Laudanum]

i'm still a "virgin" to H and have no fear of doing it, my fear is scoring.

i don't know anyone here that does it, i don't even know where i would go in this city (sf, CA), i don't even know what i should say (i remember people talking about "dimes" of H way back in the '70's) and add to that how i would know it's the real thing, etc.

plus i have a paralized left leg and can't get around very well, and soon this begins to sound like mission impossible.

i get some ER morph monthly for pain, but they ain't cutting it so well anymore and i might not be able to get an increase from the medical center because they're a bunch of anal opio-phobics so i'm thinking it's time to broaden my horizions.

maybe one of youz could walk me through this so i can give it a try. i can't go on much longer with things the way they are.


:bricks:
laudanum
p.s. things were so much easier in my day ('68-'71) then it all just seemed to fall apart.

[poppy]

Laudanum if I lived near you I'd score for you, but alas I live on the wrong side of the Atlantic. I'm sure someone from this forum must live near you and be prepared to help you out. I bet you've got some wicked tales to tell from that 60's/70's era, also love the sense of humour Mission impossible remark cracked me up. Anyway good luck with your quest for intoxication via heroin. Take care Poppyx

[skeletontea]

I'm very much in the same boat as you Laudanum, though I have a friend who does H on occasion, and at some point I agreed to do some with him (who knows when that will be, he's bi-polar.) Unfortunately, I've never had a local direct connection for opiates (only from friends, and "at auction".)

However, last week SWIM (after an industrial/tribal drumming/fire dancing show) met someone who's supposed to be the guy for O in his area. SWIM was with a friend who was buying herb from this guy (which swim does on occasion, but its pretty low on his list of favorites, just slightly more favoured than speed,) and this fellow gave SWIM's friend $60-80 worth for $20 (no fucking joke!) SWIM casually asked about O, and apparently found the Holy Grail (or so this guy would have you believe from what he'd said.) Some of his details seemed a bit questionable, so I can't help but wonder if what he's actually got is either M base, or tar (SWIM certainly lives in the area for it.) The guy was really nice for his line of work, it was a special day for him, so he was giving SWIM and his friend hugs and they talked a while. Hopefully things turn out well from this series of events, I'll keep you all posted.

[devilsdrug]

laud. i havent copped in the city in a long time but there are many areas where it is sold openly, these places arent the safest but carry your self right , and it should be easy, i always approach a prostitute when somewhere unfamilar. buy her a bag for helpin you out they dont mind a bag and they dont have to drop their well you get the idea. go to the tenderloin, the haight (by the clinic), the projects in the mission, and north beach, all in all though pods are the way $ wise and pain wise.

[Laudanum]

... hummm, ya know, that could actually work.

devild, you're a genius!

thx a million one and all.

[Tar_Baby]

http://www.cleanneedlesnow.org/pages/prevention.html

[Tar_Baby]

I understand totally and believe me when I say that I am quite cautious when it comes to picking amounts to fuck with, I always start small if that doesn't do it I usually do tiny tiny little chips until I get to exactly where I want to be. I usually stop right before you get the "assisted breathing" feeling (anyone who's been really high knows exactly what I'm talking about.) If I ever do get that feeling I always force myself to get up and I go walk around the block and smoke a cigarette or something to keep the heart rate up before I call it quits for the night. If I feel like I'm ANYWHERE near ODing I always do this as a general rule of thumb just to play it safe.

If you start IV fixing your shit up...Make sure a trusted friend or relative thats cool is with you..In case you fall out...because you arent gonna be able to tell "Im getting ready to fall out, uh oh" Youll just be there one sec and blue the next. If someones there, 90 % of the time they can save you by mouth to mouth...also they can get rid of anything illegal while an abulance is on the way(make sure they KNOW that part) Because with the ambulance will be patrol cops..and they dont give a fuck ...if you live, you're getting arrested for any needles/dope/etc that was around you.

[exitwound]

i'm still a "virgin" to H and have no fear of doing it, my fear is scoring.

i don't know anyone here that does it, i don't even know where i would go in this city (sf, CA), i don't even know what i should say (i remember people talking about "dimes" of H way back in the '70's) and add to that how i would know it's the real thing, etc.


Out of just about anywhere in the world, I can't imagine anywhere easier to score than San Francisco! If you really want to make it dead easy, go downtown to the Tenderloin with some big, strong friends to watch your ass....and it'll take you all of two seconds if you are overt about your desire to score.

Not that I know this from personal experience....the Tenderloin is where my favorite cousin died of an OD, cold and alone in a nasty hotel room :-(

But having been to SF myself many times, I can scarcely imagine anywhere easier to get your hands on almost any drug you want or need!

[Mark]

Since the original topic posting I've already banged it up 4 times. Went smooth but I quit after I heard that some of the black tar was making people's uh... arms fall off and shit? So I'm just chasing for now. Usually end up smoking about a point then I'll crack off some chips and snort that, then some water, and I'm out nodding for about 4-6 hours, it's awesome. It's still just a once every 2 week thing and it's awesome. Good little getaway. Not gonna let myself get the WDs again.

[Gabriel]

don't become a victim mark! be careful!

[sidman]

to be honest with you,I am saddened when I hear of someone getting into dope for the first time(s)....
I started off as a "chipper"(weekends only) and eventually/gradually it led to more and more and more-n-more-n-more-more-MORE!!! MORE!!!!!!! MMM-MM-MORE!!!!!!! MMMMMMMMMOOOORRRE DAMMIT!!
Now I have been through so many form's of hell,had so many unbelievable thing's that i said I would never do,or thought would never happen to me.....man it is truly a bad scene,and there is always the consequences of some shape or form. my first reaction would be to tell you,"RUN!! GET AWAY FROM THE "DOPE MAN!!",but hey,you probably like dope as much as all of us now....so who am I to say?
So,yeah.....just be careful and mindful if you can.....try try try not to go over board....please don't O.D. either!! It is NOT fun and it is totally a scary experience!! one second i was shootin' up and before I could take the needle out of my arm I awoke to the medic's((after they shot me with Narcan to bring me back))askin' my name,what day is it,who is the president. then arrive to the hospital to be met in the emergency room by the cop's tellin' me I better get down to the station when the doc's release me or they are gonna get a warrant for my arrest( possession o' heroin)but what do I do when I get out of the hospital? well,"SHIT that was some good dope"and I go right to the dealer and get more!! .................I definately don't "promote" opiates except for those in severe/chronic pain, or those who have a terminal disease.....opiate addiction/withdrawals sometimes makes me wish I were dead. But hey, If you can stay as a "chipper" more power to you man....good luck,be safe!!

[Gabriel]

What the hell went wrong with me?

Anyway, Mark. I don't think preaching would help. Just remember you still have the power at this point, don't go too far.

Edited, for too much information I'm still not ready to share.

[pointed]

I finally got ahold of about .3-something-grams of tar. Tried smoking chasing it but I couldn't get off on it, I think I just wasted about 3 bb sized pieces. At this point I figured the shit was no good, so I got a piece about the size of a pinky nail clipping, (about 1 1/2 a BB) and boiled it down on a spoon. My intention the entire time was to bang it up but I had no works, so I just boiled it up and hotrailed it off a spoon. Burned like greek fire for about 10 seconds, 1 minute later I noticed a small vision change, real mild, just shit looked... different, then I was thinking "that's it?" and by the time I took 3 more steps all my hearing got real quiet, the room got dimmer, and I was feeling AWESOME. Great experience, did the rest of the sack in a 2 day period along with letting a few others have a taste. Everyone loved it (of course). From what I've heard you haven't really tried H until you've banged it, so I can't wait. Anyways, I'll post again when I get that experience down. And thank you for the help, you know who you are.

Hmm.....Glad that you had a good time....I'm quite sure that you're sick to death of all the "moralizing", but...Gollygeewhilickers! Heroin is dangerous to a certain type of person....Sure, anyone can become physically dependent, but the LOVE for dope is a different story. You sound like you rather like it...Watch out. Lacking resources means absolutely nothing to junky sensibilities. Junkies are THE most "resourceful" people in the world. You would be shocked to discover the depths of ingenuity that you actually possess when faced with the perennial question....To get sick? Or not to get sick? And it sneaks up on you. I had no idea that I was strung out 'til I woke up sick one day. There was no "compulsion" or any of that other stuff that NA people like to blather on about....But WHAM! Heroin IS incredible. And it doesn't cost much, really....Only your pride, self-respect, and soul. Cheap at the price for a little peace, right? Contrary to popular belief, there ARE "occasional users". But not very many of them. I do NOT recommend being a junky, but you may be better off just embracing it. Some people are happier that way. Just don't let your life fall by the wayside. BTW, what, pray tell, is hotrailing? Insufflation? Of a LIQUID? That sounds so odd...And unpleasant. One more word of caution....Once you've spiked, no other method of drug ingestion is ever quite so satisfying. Everything else just pales in comparison. So you wouldn't only be flirting with danger but might be sacrificing far less risky pleasures....To some degree, anyway. Let us know what you end up doing. No condemnation either way, of course :)

Best,

Kate

[pointed]

i'm still a "virgin" to H and have no fear of doing it, my fear is scoring. :bricks:
Hmm.....That may be one virginity that you don't want to lose. When it's gone, it's REALLY gone. I've never been to California...However, I do have a somewhat viable suggestion for you. Call your local taxi service...Request a smoking cab (for some reason smoking drivers seems to be a little more sanguine to scoring, dunno why). Chat the driver up a bit and see what you can arrange. That's how I found my connect in Florida, such as he is. Though I have to admit, I've only bought from the guy once, perhaps 2 months ago and his cell phone seems to be disconnected right now. Finding a RELIABLE source is the key issue. Be very circumspect in your approach, though. The stigma associated with heroin use is so great that the idea of scoring dope offends the sensibilities of hardened crack fiends. I've always found that amusing....Am I the only one who has noticed the neat little hierarchy among addicts? Hell, I fall prey to it myself; I'm not overly fond of most crackheads. LOL Good luck and be careful! Try, try, and try again to get your morph script raised. The value of a legal source of opiates of reliable quality is not to be underrated.

Best,

Kate

[pointed]

:bricks: BTW, Laudanum, I love your handle. I think it comes from the Latin word "laudare" meaning "to praise". It's similar to the third principal part which is used to indicate that the "action" is directed towards the doer. So that would make "Laudanum" similar to "being praised". LOL No irony there, right?

Best,

Kate

[Aussieguy]

I finally got ahold of about .3-something-grams of tar. Tried smoking chasing it but I couldn't get off on it, I think I just wasted about 3 bb sized pieces. At this point I figured the shit was no good, so I got a piece about the size of a pinky nail clipping, (about 1 1/2 a BB) and boiled it down on a spoon. My intention the entire time was to bang it up but I had no works, so I just boiled it up and hotrailed it off a spoon. Burned like greek fire for about 10 seconds, 1 minute later I noticed a small vision change, real mild, just shit looked... different, then I was thinking "that's it?" and by the time I took 3 more steps all my hearing got real quiet, the room got dimmer, and I was feeling AWESOME. Great experience, did the rest of the sack in a 2 day period along with letting a few others have a taste. Everyone loved it (of course). From what I've heard you haven't really tried H until you've banged it, so I can't wait. Anyways, I'll post again when I get that experience down. And thank you for the help, you know who you are.

Take care. Trouble is, in my opinion, once you have it the once, you just want more. For some reason, the sublime feeling, never completely leave you. Just be careful and sensible.

[IB_intox]

First off, I gotta say, I just found this forum 'cause I was looking for a way to bang percs, accidental-like, I ended up here, and it really is cool to be able to speak to people who've been there. In reading the posts, I remembered, quite vividly, my first expereince with H, and that was 15 years ago. I havent mainlined anything other than the occasional D in about 8 years, but theres still NOTHING that can compare.

Up until about an hour ago, I had only heard of poppy tea in passing, so i haven't the faintest idea how it works, but due to my personal circumstances, I will be finding out a bit more.

I once tried to justify using for "pain control" which is technically true, but over the years, I came to terms with the fact that I do what I do because it feels good. I guess I'm gonna give the CWE method a try here in a few, just tryin to chase that original feeling of so many years ago. I'm kinda wasted, so I am probably rambling a bit, but I thought I would share this funny story from yesterday.

Went to see my doc, got a script for 90 percs (a step up from the lortab 10's ive been getting for 6 months) and then proceeded to the pharmacy to cash it. Gave the script to the pharmacist, and he filled it in about five minutes. I popped a couple, because I was actually in a bit of pain. When I got home, I shared the wealth a little with a few friends. After taking about 5 or 6, and giving away about that many, I decided I was gonna count them, since I didnt really remember how many I took and gave away. I started counting, lost count 3 or 4 times, until i finally realized I had counted past 90, at least 3 times. As it turned out, there were 109 left in the bottle. One would think that the pharmacist would've counted a little more accurately (im not complaining, mind you) with a schedule 2 narc, but its not like I am gonna go back and say "There are too many in here."

I'm not quite so stupid as i look, really =))

[JimmyJoe]

i'm still a "virgin" to H and have no fear of doing it, my fear is scoring. :bricks:
Hmm.....That may be one virginity that you don't want to lose. When it's gone, it's REALLY gone. I've never been to California...However, I do have a somewhat viable suggestion for you. Call your local taxi service...Request a smoking cab (for some reason smoking drivers seems to be a little more sanguine to scoring, dunno why). Chat the driver up a bit and see what you can arrange. That's how I found my connect in Florida, such as he is. Though I have to admit, I've only bought from the guy once, perhaps 2 months ago and his cell phone seems to be disconnected right now. Finding a RELIABLE source is the key issue. Be very circumspect in your approach, though. The stigma associated with heroin use is so great that the idea of scoring dope offends the sensibilities of hardened crack fiends. I've always found that amusing....Am I the only one who has noticed the neat little hierarchy among addicts? Hell, I fall prey to it myself; I'm not overly fond of most crackheads. LOL Good luck and be careful! Try, try, and try again to get your morph script raised. The value of a legal source of opiates of reliable quality is not to be underrated.

Best,

Kate

Exactly. You can really get burned trying to score for sure. And most other drug users do frown upon heroin users. A lot of times the crack users will try to get cash from you for their habit and you get burned. Never part with your cash until they give you the goods. Don't trust 'em if they say they gotta go get it. You'll never see them or your money again. The stuff in the west is usually tar and occasionally people sell fake stuff. The real tar can come in a number of different consistencies but it almost always has a pungent vinegar-like odor. It's always a good idea to do a small test dose before you get off on it because you never know for sure what the hell is in there. H is pretty dangerous just because there are no quality control checks and there is always the risk that you will react badly to something in it -- ie, the cuts. If you simply must try it because of curiosity or whatever, it's probably a really good idea to make it an occasional treat and use other safer opiates instead -- to cut down on the risks.

[poppy]

If you simply must try it because of curiosity or whatever, it's probably a really good idea to make it an occasional treat and use other safer opiates instead -- to cut down on the risks.
Isn't that how we all started?
Having sampled heroin out of the dreaded curiosity (there's a lot of wisdom in that old saying 'curiosity killed the cat') and enjoying the experience I tried to kid myself that I could use heroin as an occasional treat! WRONG!!!!! After about six months of virtually daily use I suddenly realized that I had a problem and that I would not be able to just stop taking heroin without any unpleasant side effects.

[JimmyJoe]

If you simply must try it because of curiosity or whatever, it's probably a really good idea to make it an occasional treat and use other safer opiates instead -- to cut down on the risks.
Isn't that how we all started?
Having sampled heroin out of the dreaded curiosity (there's a lot of wisdom in that old saying 'curiosity killed the cat') and enjoying the experience I tried to kid myself that I could use heroin as an occasional treat! WRONG!!!!! After about six months of virtually daily use I suddenly realized that I had a problem and that I would not be able to just stop taking heroin without any unpleasant side effects.
Being an occasional user over a long period of time is possible but it does take willpower. The thing about it, like so many have already said, is that it sort of sneaks up on you if you don't establish rules at the outset, ie, once every two weeks or whatever. The other opiates are also satisfying, but certainly not nearly as much so as H. Well, come to think of it, the really strong legal ones that are really hard to get come pretty close -- dilaudid, etc. Probably, the safest thing is to stay away from it if a person has had bad experiences with other drugs in the past, ie, having trouble quitting or limiting their use. I think a lot of the problems would be solved if: a. the drugs were legalized in some form or other so that they could be checked for safety, purity, etc. and b: that scientists spent more time trying to research on how to limit the body's tolerance to the effects of opiates so that one does not have to increase the dosage to get the same pleasurable effects. I think some research has already begun in this area, but I doubt they will go anywhere with it because it doesn't serve the purposes of the drug war. If people didn't develop a tolerance and they were made legal, they would be a lot safer than most other drugs on the market. They already are relatively safe in terms of not causing brain damage and other organ damage compared with alcohol and meth. But certainly the safest path is to stay away from it and ignore that little demon called curiosity that his killed so many cats over the years.

[poppy]

yep I definitely wish I'd ignored that demon called curiosity!!