IM powder heroin

[drug]

in short: i think i ran out of veins almost completely, most of them are clogged by the citric acid i need to dissolve my H with, so i think more and more for muscle injections for a few times; is it good route for administration rush-wise, will i need more heroin to reach nearly the same effect as IV, where to shoot IM, and all additional information you guys could help with.
note: i'm placed in Eastern Europe where we get grey-brownish powder H, which (as i said) dissolves with citric acid.
is citric acid very dangerous on the muscles.

also is there some hint finding leg veins, since i can't see even one damn vein on my legs (not feet) even if i tie like a beast.

PS i tried plugging the standart dose of H that'd give me nice rush and a good nod, but it didn't seem to work. does plugging/browning wrks only with dissolved pills, or morphine only? any suggestions?

thanks

drug

[doctor diesel]

Injecting H IM will not give you anything like the rush of IV because it's absorbed much more progressively. So prepare for a far less interesting experience. And I believe you will need to up the dose to get any effect (relative to your banged dose) but I've no idea by how much.
When you plugged the H, did you first dissolve the powder with citric? If not, it won't have been properly assimilated, so I guess you'll have been wasting that dose.
And yes, plugging does work on opies that aren't pills - a ball of poppy tea putty being a good case in point.
Maybe it's time to crank down on the quality of highs you've been experiencing, and do something a bit more low-key and laid back, like smoke H off foil to get you mellow and relaxed.
Unless you can score some fent or oxymorphone or something like that i don't think you're going to be able to do anything in future that compares with the euphoria of banged H - sorry pal!


Doc

[drug]

ah yeah i prepared the H as for IV, just didnt put the needle and squirt it up my bum, laid down, but didnt felt nothing... wasn't sick too.
so now my thoughts are split between H plugged or muscled... um...damn!
i'm sure i will have to move back when it comes to the highs i am experiencing... no chance to score oxy or fent here, just no chance ( we even get super low quality dope, so... ).
any thoughts on how to find some new veins that'd take me high for one last time?
citric acid fuck the smaller veins like hell, i mean two hits and it's done, clogged and all, and missing is a bitch.

thanks for your answer doc

drug

[doctor diesel]

Whatever you do, drug, don't be tempted to administer a cockshot!

[IceCold]

Dude you might be putting too much acid with your dope or not enough either could probably fuck up your veins. What you need to do is try to add an equimolar amount of citric acid to the dope. In order to do this you will need first estimate the purity of your freebase dope then calculate how many moles of dope you have then add the same amount of moles of citric acid.

[Duckfeet]

Yep: the tar we get out here in California is hell on veins too, so I sympathize. I had terrible luck IMing it, as this crap is almost guarnteed abcess, if you IM...so all that was left was plugging. (or smoking, and smoking did nothing for me) I just had to get used to the lack of rush. I'd wait until u feel crappy, or are kicking, then cook up and plug, then lay down about ten minutes, so it doesn't work as enema, as first few minutes it can feel like it...then I would always notice a sort of happiness creep over me. Be careful tho, u can get really strung out plugging, but year, no rush involved, just go from feeling crappy to feeling good...

Best wishes

[nhop]

You should not use citric acid, it is too strong. Most needle exchanges in Europe will give you ascorbic acid (vitamin C) in a pure, powder form. If not, you can pick it up at any pharmacy for only a few euros. Use this instead of the citric!!

[OxyContinuously]

Dude you might be putting too much acid with your dope or not enough either could probably fuck up your veins. What you need to do is try to add an equimolar amount of citric acid to the dope. In order to do this you will need first estimate the purity of your freebase dope then calculate how many moles of dope you have then add the same amount of moles of citric acid.

nice, but....who the hell do you know that will do that?? Moles of dope? Forget it, ur talking out ur ass, bro.

[Lil_Miss_Brownstone]

I've been IM-ing for 1.5 yrs but the dope i get i don't need to put citric acid on. I do it in my armpit areas and thighs. And I have had some abscesses but they are easy to cure with antibiotics if you catch them early. Other people do it in their butt cheeks. I have tried browning but didn't think it worked as well. It does have the advantage of no marks and no risk of abscess. I will probably try again some time when i have dope to spare.

[jonny-5]

Yep: the tar we get out here in California is hell on veins too, so I sympathize. I had terrible luck IMing it, as this crap is almost guarnteed abcess, if you IM...so all that was left was plugging. (or smoking, and smoking did nothing for me) I just had to get used to the lack of rush. I'd wait until u feel crappy, or are kicking, then cook up and plug, then lay down about ten minutes, so it doesn't work as enema, as first few minutes it can feel like it...then I would always notice a sort of happiness creep over me. Be careful tho, u can get really strung out plugging, but year, no rush involved, just go from feeling crappy to feeling good...

Best wishes

i wonder if i just get cleaner shit cause i hear this about tar all the time, that if you dont IV it youll DEFINITELY get an abcess, but i IMd tar for a year before i started IVing and only got one abcess, which i pretty much deserved because of the way that i prepared it. but i mean i just IMd a big old shot about an hour ago, it doesnt give me abcesses.

[turdkenedy]

intramuscular is generally alot more unhealthy that IVing, because you are shooting concentrated chemicals into your muscle that basically has no way to carry it away and distribute it, so the chemicals just sit there and damage the tissue.

when i first started shooting i didnt know what i was doing and missed the vein often, there is basically no rush, you will feel the effects but much weaker and over time. you can expect a black and blue or soreness where you IMed for at least a day or two, and if your stuff is particularly nasty, i seriously dont reccomend IM inection, it will definetly screw up your body.

[phrozen]

IMing illicit drugs is not recommended at all! It can lead to serious abscesses(sterile and infected)! And, you could inject some really harsh bacteria; botulism, flesh eating virus, etc.

If you're going to IM any non-pharm grade product, filter it with a micron filter first. <.22 micron is recommended as it will get rid of all of the bacteria/particulates. It may not completely remove all insoluble products, and it won't get rid of viruses, but it's a big improvement from IMing cotton filtered shots.

I would just snort it or smoke it. The risk vs reward of IMing street drugs isn't favorable at all!

[rachamim18]

In a bind I could see doing it if they micron filtered. It is no "rush" but it will get the job done. When I have Imed I have always tasted it on my palate and gotten immediate relief from w/d even tough with IM it is supposed to take 10 to 15 minutes before onset.

[IceCold]

You should not use citric acid, it is too strong. Most needle exchanges in Europe will give you ascorbic acid (vitamin C) in a pure, powder form. If not, you can pick it up at any pharmacy for only a few euros. Use this instead of the citric!!

No acid is really too strong it just depends on how much you use.

[Dr. Oxy]

so you have to add citric acid to your H before you shoot it? i've never done H before so i dont know. is it powdered citric acid or liquid? like would lemon juice work? also do you have to add c-acid when snorting or plugging?

[Duckfeet]

Oh I agree, Johnny: tar is all over the place on quality, and I've found that border areas usually have crappier dope, than further north, for some reason...maybe we get the leftovers they don't ship north or something, but three southern border areas I lived in, dope was not so good: I've heard better stories about El Paso, and it could just be me...but nah, u don't always get abcesses, it just doesn't feel right, and the needle xchanges are pretty down to earth guys, and they warn off on IMing tar...

My old lady used to IM dilaudids in her butt, after her veins were shot...and she wouldn't get an abcess every time, but she'd get'em, once in a while...

It's a terrible thing, when yer veins don't stand up anymore, fucking frustrating and depressing...

Plugging works, it just doesn't give u a rush. But wait'll yer a little sick, and cook it up and plug it, and lay down for about ten min, and see if u don't start feeling like Mr. Happy.


i wonder if i just get cleaner shit cause i hear this about tar all the time, that if you dont IV it youll DEFINITELY get an abcess, but i IMd tar for a year before i started IVing and only got one abcess, which i pretty much deserved because of the way that i prepared it. but i mean i just IMd a big old shot about an hour ago, it doesnt give me abcesses.

[SHELLEY]

go for the gold
hit your jugular vein
i ran out of veins
went through hell with that shit
then i finally got the cojones to try the jug shot
fucking awesome
and it won't collapse like the rest of em will

[rachamim18]

On acid, #2 heroin DOEs need an acidic catalyst. Most use citric acid but other with a similar akiline will workfine. You need it only for injection though because insufflation is not a problem due the nasal mucous automatically adjusting the pH without a catalyst,etc. NEVER use fruit juice, it is very unsanitary. We used to use it in Lebanon and aside from the clinical aspect, I have seen more than a few suffer from it.

[Moonrock]

try innerbody.com for circulatory system diagrams

[gerapa]

It is a bit odd having to reply to the original poster in English when I know that he is a Bulgarian and so am I.
Anyway:
I've been doing IM shots for more than 2 years now and although mu muscles are WAY worse off than they were when I started I still haven't had a single muscle abscess and I have 8 'venous' abscessess (sp).
That being said, my advice would be to start IMing with Substitol capsules- one 200mg capsule needs NO LESS than 2ml of water when cooked for an IM shot but these capsules are still softer on the muscles than the H we get.
If you IVed X amount of H you will need between 1.5 to 2 times X of the same amount when IMing. These are just my personal observations, please be safe.
After injecting into the muscle DO NOT move this muscle- just massage it for about 5 minutes. This seems like common sense but (believe it or not) when I started IMing I would shoot the stuff in my but and then immediately start jumping like a madman thinking that this is healthier for the muscles (+ that perhaps it would give me at least some rush- no luck in that department either).

Regards.
Another junkie.

[gerapa]

Oh, I forgot a very important safety precaution:
When shooting into a muscle ALWAYS have in mind that some/most of the stuff might actually be going into your veins! So, always shoot slowly, perhaps stop for around 10 seconds halfway down, etc.
I am saying this because a couple of times I almost died when shooting into a muscle only to realise a few seconds after pulling the needle out that most of the stuff I just shot went into my veins! This has also happened to friends of mine, so be careful.

Regards,
Another junky.

[Moonrock]

ALWAYS have in mind that some/most of the stuff might actually be going into your veins!

that should be a bonus not a warning !!
i never IM'd before, and since my veins collapsed i resort to snorting and smoking over a tin foil, tried the ciggarete thing a cpla times, but all is nothing compared to IVing.
I always thought of IM to be a waste of stuff and money, cause its basically just like missing a vein, i.e. nothing happens, no rush no high.
Glad to see some folks around here IM regularly.
Guess i'll have to try it someday

[gerapa]

Yes, there is no rush, that is true indeed.
However, over time you learn to appreciate the 'getting better and better' feeling, it sort of substitutes the rush from an IV shot.
There is a 'high' with IM injections of H/opiates. Plus it is a longer high when compared to IV shots. For example, I can survive on just one IM shot of morphine per day and I am totally addicted: I was never able to 'survive' on just 1 IV shot per day: I would need at least 2/day.
Of course nothing beats IVing but when you run out of veins+you do not want to also destroy your deep veins (femoral, jugular): well you are quite simply out of options. If this is the case then IMing actually is in my opinion the closest that one can get to IVing.
To the original poster: if you start doing IM shots, please take good care of your muscles: take the time to learn where you can/can not IM. Rotate spots and apply pharmaceutical remedies: 'Troksevasine' and 'Heparoid Leciva' creams are my favourite (those are the brand names, may be very different outside Bulgaria). Talk to as many people as possible about various ways to protect/minimize damage to your muscles: you will be surprised to discover that many Doctors do not know how to heal muscles that are harmed by IM injections. I do not know how this is at all possible (Bulgaria has a very good former education system) but it is. Ask a GeneralPractician and you will see for yourself.

Regards,
Another junky.

[Z-man]

I have to IM all the time, having virtually no veins at all left. I find it to be a very nice route of administration, a close second to IV. I have never gotten an abscess from this method of injection, but then again I'm not dealing with tar or freebase. Some things to consider... Keep in mind when you miss an IV shot you are not IM-ing, if anything a missed shot is subcutaneous and sub-q sucks, it takes forever and you barely feel it. But I have timed my IM shots exactly and I usually feel the full effect in 5 minutes, with the first intimations of an immanent opiate high felt as early as 2 minutes after the shot. Some hints: always inject an IM shot as slowly as possible, it will go much easier on your muscles. Always rotate the injection sites for the same reason. And here's one I think I may have discovered myself: if you split the injection into 2 shots and do them both almost simultaneously (I usually do one in each arm) you will feel the dope faster and it will be stronger than the same amount IMed in a single location.

[Lil_Miss_Brownstone]

huh...i "discovered" that one too! I split mine into two more dilute shots anyway, my theory is that more water = less garbage accumulating in muscles. I have no idea if there is any truth to that. But I sometimes even put a few units in one spot, a few in another, figuring it will all get absorbed simultaneously and hit me faster/harder.

There is no "rush" from IMing but you can get a really good, cross-eyed, cigarette-dropping, nose-itching high.

[Duckfeet]

Good point, on the fact that missing a vein is *not* the same as IMing, and I rarely feel anything from a miss...and also, tar is much nastier, for IMing, that anything I've done so far. My old lady used to IM K4's (dilaudids) out of desperation, and still would get periodically an infection, but it was that or spend endless time in futile digging on back of her hands for veins. But I find tar to be even worse, and the heroin harm reduction texts all say to avoid it. All kinds of problems> might as well IM Karo Syrup. Miss the powder, and of course, the purer, the better....


I have to IM all the time, having virtually no veins at all left. I find it to be a very nice route of administration, a close second to IV. I have never gotten an abscess from this method of injection, but then again I'm not dealing with tar or freebase. Some things to consider... Keep in mind when you miss an IV shot you are not IM-ing, if anything a missed shot is subcutaneous and sub-q sucks, it takes forever and you barely feel it. But I have timed my IM shots exactly and I usually feel the full effect in 5 minutes, with the first intimations of an immanent opiate high felt as early as 2 minutes after the shot. Some hints: always inject an IM shot as slowly as possible, it will go much easier on your muscles. Always rotate the injection sites for the same reason. And here's one I think I may have discovered myself: if you split the injection into 2 shots and do them both almost simultaneously (I usually do one in each arm) you will feel the dope faster and it will be stronger than the same amount IMed in a single location.