Boise, Idaho scene...

[1badrabbit]

Not sure how many Boise users here, but I am curious as to how much ofthe local supply everyone feels was destroyed by last weeks bust? I personally would say 90+% of the supply is now gone...What doesanyone else around here feel? I have noticed that Boise has amuch different drug scene from slightly larger cities. Sincethere is really no ghetto or project type neighborhoods I knowabout. Seems much more tightknit and low key here, well sincelast week anyway.

[bi11i]

you know, you have to give them credit for the bust, of course. i'm certainly not trying to minimize anything. plus, I've been out of the scene here for years, but I can't imagine that every junky in town is sick right now. I bet there's a couple of smaller, under-networked circles that couldn't get the hookup, but let's take a look at the rate of people checking in to the very FEW places they can in case of WD.
When I was using, not only where there over a dozen different numbers I could call, but to my knowledge, they weren't all running with the same boss. Being involved for the three years that I was, I got to know a couple of the dealers on a personal basis; at least a little. I knew guys that came up here on their own, guys that came from California, guys that came straight from mexico, and even guys that came from blackfoot and pokey. I think the bust is the bust, but to assume that 3.5oz's put an entire city into opiate withdrawal is naive. Way naïve.

Oh I'm definitely willing to place money on a few close circles of people getting completely cut off - junky's are infamous for packing it in during the rough times, but I remember hanging in parking lots, waiting for the man, with guys that had been in this town doing dope for 25 years. You can't tell me they were getting it from the same guy the whole time.

The drug scene in Boise is different - most definitely, if only in the score alone - but no ghettos? How many trailer parks or neighborhoods out in meridian do you think are tubbing meth? Garden city is pulling it's own. You don't have to have poverty to have dope. You certainly can't go walking downtown and meet someone (anyone) under a bridge to score, but that does push the scene farther underground - and the farther underground the less you're going to hear about it and the less you're going to have busts like this last one.

I'd give it a 50% maybe? 90%? I just can't see it.

[jacky]

My old dealer got deported 2 times before they sent him to idaho prison. junkies like me would go into the money transfer/wire store with thousands of dollars every day for years straight and send the money to mexico for these guys, they would just kick you down or erase a debt. the heroin that costs a 100$ here costs them about a 1$. SOMETIMES LESS. ther is no way that this money machine is ever going to stop. the space is filled in a few weeks. these people take the money and buy ranches and houses for their familys. in turn cousins and such come up and do business. getting arrested is not that big of a deal, they are usually deported twice before prison sentences are imposed. I have seen a few guys back within a week, it costs them a 1000$ to get back in. about 1/5 of an average dealers personal DAILY income. at least for the dealers who are rolling in custys. Chemists and law makers have even published opinion on the situation concerning eraditcation of heroin. heroin is easy, cause you get the morphine to just grow, it is cheap. a pod can produce sometimes up to 10 grams of morphine. that can amount to a gram of morphine, that can amount to a good bit of heroin for one little flower. but say this is effectively stopped. the chemists say that producing opiates a hundred timed more potent that heroin, with 5000$ dollars of chemicals that arnt controlled in many countries, is a pretty easy deal. and that behind closed doors, in a simple glass lab, a chemist in a few weeks could produce BILLIONS of doses for a hundred thou. 3000$ can produce millions. so the profit potential is even Better this route. this is CHINA WHITE amongst many other in the "bentley compound "family. which isnt as euphoric as heroin in my opinion, and is deadlier. plus a toxin that can cause INSTANTANEOUS PARKINSONS disease is a possible by product. this horror already took place in SF, and while it taught the scientists a very important thing or two about the doapmine receptors, it created vegetables out of junkies that may still be alive today. stopping heroin trade many agree will create a scenario of DIRE alternatives. I think heroin addiction sucks, for me though the line is fine, as I feel like opioid maintenance isnt a bad way to live, as long as its legal, and somewhat cheap. obviously some people can manage controlling certian aspects of neurotransmission with drugs, antideppressants, ADD medication, WEIGHT LOSS etc. all have possible mediation through use of opioids and other pharmaceuticals and herbs. I doubt boise's heroin scene will suffer for long, though the addicts individually will continue to suffer between euphoric peaks. the deal is that mexicans own the scene, it is their thing, most manage without ever trying the stuff. they run many aspects of prison as well, and manage to get people millions of dollars worth of heroin BEHIND bars.My old dealer actually offered to put me and freinds up in mexico at the very ranches our dope was paying for, he said we could get meds to kick in mexico, and work for him, and get clean. I didnt want to go so far, but when it came time to go to california to get on methadone he gave me 500$ worth of heroin and cocaine to make the trip on the bus, I know this isnt the norm, but it just goes to show you how actually tight things can be in the dope scene, when your not shoved into a bathtub and stabbed to death. the cops just want to put an end to it, and part of their rational IS EMPATHATIC. I have had cops and DEA alike refuse to prosecute me for possesion of pharmaceutical drugs that I was going to use to kick with, most cops veiw heroin addicts as pathetic, but without quite the disdain as meth addicts. this is of course unwarranted, I mean, the most dangerous way to detox is going to jail a chronic alcohol or benzo addict. they realize that within 24 hours, they are goin to have to take you to the hospital. I hope Boise addicts get some more alternatives, I know what its like. If you still have funds and can manage, quitting while ahead can be done fairly painlessly using alternative herbs and OTC/ prescription medications. I have done it plenty of times with help from freinds and internet prescription suppliers etc. the problem is these people without the funds, a few hundred dollars can see some through hard times , but without funds you are just riding the wave of usage, supply, demand, getting kickdown for selling shit, whatever.....I havnt known ANYONE who succesfully used and dealt dope and kept anything for long. good luck and pm me if anyone who wants to kick or is kicking has questions. late jacky

[1badrabbit]

you know, you have to give them credit for the bust, ofcourse. i'm certainly not trying to minimize anything. plus, I've beenout of the scene here for years, but I can't imagine that every junkyin town is sick right now. I bet there's a couple of smaller,under-networked circles that couldn't get the hookup, but let's take alook at the rate of people checking in to the very FEW places they canin case of WD.
When I was using, not only where there over a dozen different numbers Icould call, but to my knowledge, they weren't all running with the sameboss. Being involved for the three years that I was, I got to know acouple of the dealers on a personal basis; at least a little. I knewguys that came up here on their own, guys that came from California,guys that came straight from mexico, and even guys that came fromblackfoot and pokey. I think the bust is the bust, but to assume that3.5oz's put an entire city into opiate withdrawal is naive. Way naïve.

Oh I'm definitely willing to place money on a few close circles ofpeople getting completely cut off - junky's are infamous for packing itin during the rough times, but I remember hanging in parking lots,waiting for the man, with guys that had been in this town doing dopefor 25 years. You can't tell me they were getting it from the same guythe whole time.

The drug scene in Boise is different - most definitely, if only in thescore alone - but no ghettos? How many trailer parks or neighborhoodsout in meridian do you think are tubbing meth? Garden city is pullingit's own. You don't have to have poverty to have dope. You certainlycan't go walking downtown and meet someone (anyone) under a bridge toscore, but that does push the scene farther underground - and thefarther underground the less you're going to hear about it and the lessyou're going to have busts like this last one.

I'd give it a 50% maybe? 90%? I just can't see it.

I know what your saying with Garden City and Meridian trailerparks, but that is nothing compared to walking through the projects ina place like Chicago or LA etc. I understand also that manypeople are tubbing Crystal, in fact crystal is still pathetically easyto obtain and always will be until the majority stops using it. Heroin is much less used then Crystal hence the lack of itaround. Also you seem to have misread the article, because thisparticular group may have only been busted with 3.5 oz of Heroin butthat was only a one day supply to them. If you read the rest ofthe article it said they sold about 70 some odd pounds per year andbelieve me this was easilly true. The local rehabs are currentlyoverflownig right now. The bust took care of the group whowas primarilly running this scene for the past 3 years.

[TravisCFS]

I wonder how long this ordeal might be stretched out. If it's out there locally, it is expensive and a heavier user can only afford those prices so long. Some may have gone through the ordeal of withdrawal last week. Others will have cushioned themselves with prescription products since then and may soon be dealing with the withdrawals. Either way, circles will have to be re-established, and someone is going to have to be willing to step in this time. One guy I talked to said two months was realistic, of course he was hopeful that one of all the rumors flying around of someone coming up with something would prove true soon.

[Sykotherapudik Lee]

A city with a population of 190,000 is completely dry over one bust worth 3.5? No way. The population here is like 3 times that and it would take 20 busts of that size to put this town under. I'm willing to bet less than 30% suffered as a result of that bust, and an article from one paper (is it Idaho's only paper?) is only one source of information.

The article posted from your local paper (http://forum.opiophile.org/showthread.php?t=87) certainly has an interesting date of release compared to a post I read elsewhere on here concerning high school students and heroin use (from the same publication?) - it certainly is interestingly coincidental that the two articles are published together in such a timely manner.

This article also mentions juveniles and teens - not a good mix with anything that's meant to be kept quiet. Younger people have spoiled the fun on many a scene, and notably because they can't keep their mouths shut, or they do themselves in somehow. Look at the research chem scene - just about every scheduling out there there is because some kid did a little too much, ended up with his parent's pushing the blame out on the effect instead of the cause.

An article concerning a lack of rehabs followed by an article detailing a 'supposedly-huge' drug bust. I wonder how that happened...

[blackdog]

hey friends,sounds like a road trip to me.anyone pondering a trip south for an investment might consider the timeing right.anyway anyone who has one source for a supplier is a glutton fer punishment maybe im spoiled.i do try to run on my own but theres a few of us that twist each others arms and if the answer at one number is no ,dial the next and if they arent ready to deal dial the next...i must be spoiled

[cate]

Wow. whether 30% or 90% why live somewhere so decimated by one bust if you are choosing to use? Move where the goods are easy to get and withdrawl and detox only happen if you want them too.

I feel guilty about ease of access after reading these posts.

[bi11i]

i'm still not giving it any decent percentage. i've friends out there who are doing fine after the bust, although fairly sketched out by anyone young or new to the scene....

never bite the hand that feeds you?

[blackdog]

just a suggestion,start attending N/A meetings or a/a,i've allways found out the yippitty dipitty if u know whut i means.........where to go with who what not to do etcetc.

[bi11i]

LOL. oh fuck yeah - i forgot about that one. need some drugs? head to a meeting. sit in the back.

[jacky]

basically this bust was aimed at a bunch of high school students and those supplying them. people in boise can go 20 miles to nampa and caldwell and I guarntee theres gonna be dope there, it can suck driving around for hours wiating to find the right person, but its little different from other cities. Boise's dope is consistantly very good, or at least was when I was using, the landlocked, spaced out desert gives to more supply than demand, and the dope dosent get stepped on at a place like say the SF tenderloin district. I think that alot of the older junkies must be cutting the kids off so to speak, like a turtle retracting into its shell. When I first started using I went to seattle to buy the stuff , then slowly heroin creeped into the boise downtown underground scene, but it had always been hangin around the outskirts, garden city etc. I was in rehab with a guy in San Jose, and he was a Sur !3 gang member. He used to get paid to pick up a car at the reno airport, drive it to boise, and then head to McCall Idaho of all places. in Donnelly, about 10 miles outside of mcCall, he would call a phone number and tell "them" he was here. TWO COPS would drive out, bracket his car so the CHP had alot less chance of interveening and they would all drive to a big fat house where the POUNDS of coca and heroin would be stored. he knew landmarks, bars, stores etc. his story was pretty solid, he was even dealing AT the re hab when he was supposed to be going to work. at any rate, its all who you know, the junkies at micron probably get it in bulk cause their loaded. the caldwell scene is tight and La Eme or howver you spell it is a no joke presence. Now the junkie without the car stuck in downtown boise with no job cause he was dealing dope till things got scarce, hes fucked, but lift up that nose, theres dope out there, its just not your dope. I hope Boise gets a Detox someday. there is a local movement going at this point. Also a group in Ontario Oregon is starting a methadone clinic that will supply the 6 take home weekly doses for those living in Idaho. things have and could be looking worse. what really also needs to happen is more DOCs prescribing BUP. people need equal access to drugs and not some limited elitist group or whatever you want ot call it. I geuss its really a control group experimental program. I have heard talk of the FEDS pulling back the prescribing restriction soon as well. As cate suggest you could MOVE out of Boise, but how many hurting addicts can get that accomplished. MORE LIKE RUN outa boise with a bus ticket from panhandling on weekend nights in case some family member out of state is willing to put you up in a methadone prgram some where..............what a nightmare it can be.

[1badrabbit]

Driving around in Nampa/Caldwell just searching for the right person to get some dope seems like it would take a few trips before you could get anything. I suppose there may still be some dope in Garden City etc. It really is like you say though the older guys are staying clear of any new/younger people. Odds of someone who can't find something now finding it anytime soon without a lot of footwork are next to nothing from what I have heard/seen.

[bi11i]

Too bad the solution is what it is. I remember my first kick. I also remember my last and thinking that the only way out was a good savage burn and then a run to the cops, cutting off my supply and everyone else's. I'm sure this crosses every desperate junky's mind; that the only way out of the fun is to make sure no one else is having any. needless to say, i'm not a rat nor will i ever be one.

a total shame that others couldn't simply deal with their own problems while the rest of the addicted community - those who can't afford expensive rehab or who's parents aren't willing to foot the bill on an alternative - are agonized in junk sickness.

the lesson learned from this short story is the same one learned with most things dangerous -

keep big toys away from little hands - they are dangerous.