Pods v Herion

[millionaire]

Hi People, how've you been?

You probably don't remember me (I don't post much-because I don't have the experience of most of you, so I don't have much to offer) , but I wrote recently about the problems I was having getting good quality pods in the UK, since the Dutch supplier I was using dried up. My question then was could I switch to occasional H use (not IV) and still remain functional (ie chipping).

The answers given were mainly "don't do it", or "why ask us when you know you will anyway".
Well of course you were right and the temptation overwhelmed me. I did find a couple of good (ie above street level dealers) which was in itself something that was part of the attraction as I wanted to find out if I had the initiative/balls to do it (not knowing anyone in the game). I think I worked out a pretty foolproof way to make contact with dealers, but I probably shouldn't go into that here.

I ended up getting a few grams over three or so weeks l which I tried all methods of using (other than IV). I know it was reasonably good stuff because I scared myself when I was going for it a bit and feeling fine one night and decided one more bump would be perfect. I tipped a rather larger bump than intended, but thought "what the hell".
10 minutes later I was forcing myself to get up and walk around feeling very out of it, my throat seemed to close right up and I could not swallow for the life of me no matter how much water I drank. Cue full panic attack and a sleepless night.

The interesting part of all of this was when I plugged it. It gave me similar feelings (body high) that I had been getting on pods and I immediately became nostalgic for the good old tea/grounds.

I have no desire to get any more H, for me it suffered from short, although more intense effects (compared to pods) massive difference in price and genuinely gave me less pleasure. It maybe that I did have some pretty poor quality but as I said it was not street dope. I realise that going the IV route would probably have changed that opinion completely, but anyway I am now happy to have at least tried it and I'll stick to pods from now on.

[doctor diesel]

That's interesting, Millionaire. I am someone who used to use pods, and who now exclusively smokes H.
I'm also someone like you who lives in GB - which county are you in?
You're right that H is very short acting - it is. Certainly if you smoke it (the only thing I do, although I've tried snorting it to absolutely no avail) the high only lasts abou five minutes. What does linger though, is the sedative effect, which just builds and builds through the day (if you continue smoking) until it totally wipes you out at bedtime (or before, if you're unlucky).
Pods, as you know, are the opposite in that they leave you feeling high for hours on end. I also find them hugely sedating - usually the day after imbibing in tea.
I gave up with pod tea because I literally couldn't stomach drinking the stuff - the taste would make me throw up. Also, I didn't find them all that amusing, if truth be told. But I do very much enjoy smoking H, particularly if I can practise the willpower to leave several hours between smokes. But yes, the cost is crippling.
I'd be interested in hearing from you how you plugged the H. Presumably it was powder (that's all you get in the UK), so did you just push powder up your nipsy, or did you first prepare it in some way? In the early days I mixed some with water in a syringe and injected that up me arse, but it didn't do anything at all. Let me know.
I'd also be keen to hear your 'foolproof' way of making contact with dealers.
Speak up mate!

Doc

[pharmboy]

Yes , please go into that here.

[millionaire]

Hi Doctor,

I usually chug grounds with juice. While hard at first not to gag, I have literally no trouble with it now - even with the odd bigger bit thrown in - your throat just seems to open wide and down it goes in seconds.
I live in Berkshire.
I'm not sure I should say too much about the method I found that seems to work quite well - lets say that I don't have a 'big issue' with talking to certain people - which can lead to the most interesting conversations about many and varied things. Although many of these people are no longer active in the opiate scene, they know pretty much everybody who is. Hope that's not too cryptic.

This may not make any sense to people in other countries - I don't know if its a UK thing.

Whatever you reasons are for chatting with these guys, you should always be generous, pretty much all of them seem to be good people doing their best.

Re: plugging - I heated in a spoon with citric acid first, then diluted. No idea if this made any difference.

[doctor diesel]

Well how spooky is that!
I live in the same county as you! In a big town on the river beginning with R.
My understanding of the citric acid thing is that it's the only way to dissolve the powder, right? I know for a fact that it doesn't dissolve in water, so I guess that just having a load of grains up your chuff isn't going to achieve anything cos they won't permeate the nipsy wall!

Doc

[millionaire]

I probably live about 25 minutes away from you! Small world given the relatively few UK opiophiles. I've no real idea about the plugging thing, I just thought it couldn't hurt preparing it as if for a shot before plugging. I have to say that plugging wasn't overwhelming, but I maybe did not do that much as I was still finding my limits.

[doctor diesel]

Small world indeed!
So you won't be going back to using H then.
Pod-wise, though, are you okay for a source? Has the Durying Dutchman come back into business, do you know?

Cheers,


Doc

[millionaire]

Not planning to go back to H, Doc. I think it was just something I needed to get out of my system.

The drying Dutchman (that's V & V.Dec, yes?) appears not to be offering anything useful anymore. I've been trying local UK suppliers whose quality is very variable to say the least. I've had kiln dried (shite) and other pretty poor stuff, but I've found a couple of suppliers for gigs (who I think get their suppy from the same place) with OK'ish product.

I've even considered ordering from the states but their prices seem outrageous and I'm a bit worried about customs etc.

I'll keep looking though!

[doctor diesel]

You might want to try arizona-selects.com.

[millionaire]

Thanks Doc, I'll give them a try - which is the best size do you know? Any customs/shipping issues?

Sorry we seem to have gone off thread a bit here!

[underide]

lets say that I don't have a 'big issue' with talking to certain people


Ah, the Big Issue 'method'!?
you mean you talked to some people selling Big Issue into helping you out?
seems like a good plan.
We have a good few Big Issue sellers over here in Dublin too, and one of them actually comes to my clinic.

[underide]

Speaking of Poppy Pods:
(sorry if thats a bit off-topic) There was a somewhat secluded wasteland close to a new building site, with nice disturbed soil close to where i live up in the hills, and last June-July it was filled with poppies, proper ones - i did check. almost 1/2 football pitch-sized field.
How they got there i'll never know but someone must have planted them, as i have seen people on that field busy harvesting the crop(or maybe they were just like me) . And luckily that was after i got my hands on the poppies.
I made a few runs earily in the morning (to try and avoid unwanted attention) to score the heads and would come back right before dark to collect the sap. Got almost 1/2 walnut-sized opium ball in the end.
I have to say its very labor-intensive work, took me 3 days to gather all that (well ofcourse each run wouldn’t be longer than an hour or two). There was still opium to be harvested but i just couldn't bother anymore, plus i've seen 3 people working the field a few days after my visits, so i was apprehensive about them and the Garda too.

Overall it was so-so.
I could hardly feel it smoking it but i figure that was because of tolerance.
But they did definately work as i tested positive for opiate at my clinic, and i havent used anything else apart from it the previous week.

P.S: I came back this year and the new poppies have come up on the same spot. Well i heard that they spread like wildfire and need no care, so that explains their origin this year.
But I havent bothered with them at all this time, given the effort i had to put in the last time for such a small yield. I might come back and pick the dried pods though, just in case, if they’re still there.


Sorry, I just had to brag

[millionaire]

That's it exactly Underide (post above last), you can talk to genuine (but reasonably respectable) street people who know what's going on and who will be perfectly prepared to chat to you (particularly when you buy their paper with a little tip) at little or no risk to yourself.

Also they have no motive to stitch you up as they know you can always find them again. The worst that will happen is that they will say "sorry can't help you mate" but that only happened to me once.

As those who use won't score with the street dealers because they know people further up the chain (given they have a reasonably regular income, and have been around a bit), if they are prepared to introduce you to their dealer with a little taste for themselves, everyone wins. Personally I took it a stage further and refused to meet his dealer and always got my man to cop for me (with me dropping him off at the dealers house at short notice) so he was the only one who could identify me. It cost me a bit more (25%) but the security was worth it to me.

A lot safer than trying to deal with random wino's or prostitutes.

[doctor diesel]

Thanks Doc, I'll give them a try - which is the best size do you know? Any customs/shipping issues?

Sorry we seem to have gone off thread a bit here!


I don't know about shipping issues, because they sent me a free sample assortment, but I do know that THERE IS NO NEED for customs or shipping issues. Nor does it need to take an inordinate amount of time between there and here. I used to buy from a californian supplier and although I'd have to pay about fifteen quid over the top for the long distance shipping, there were no despatch problems whatsoever.
As for the size, I honestly don't think it matters; go half way with giants rather than jumbos.

Doc

[rachamim18]

Pods do not last longer than heroin, well to be exact they do but in a very minimal and indiscernilbe manner. The predominant alkaloid in opium is morphine. Heroin is bascally morphine since it is reconverted to morphine upon ingestion. Heroin is merely a great delivery system for morphine.

Opium, and pod tea which is basically the same thing offer a mixture of alkaloids including thebaine which gives a mild stimulant mediator in addtion to the usual depressants. BUT, this does not equal longer fun, just a different type of fun and much more subtle.

On plugging, if morphine it is not going to make a difference, well slightly but again in no noticeable manner. The bioavailibilty charts will tellyou the ratio for morphine in oral:rectal is exactly 1:1. However, if plugged correctly you will gaine a bit of benefit. The key is correct usage.

What is correct? Prepare your morphine as if for injection. Draw into a syringe or bulb syringe, or even eye dropper in a bind. Then, VERY, VERY slowly and in incredibly tiuny portions administer. You must wait until each portion is absorbed before starting the next.

Tea does offer an advantage rectally. With tea there comes a time, very fast when regularly dosing with it that you reach a celing. Not a ceiling overall as in codeine, but in the ability to sate your adiction by oral consumption. Eventually you will be sipping tea all day long and still not sate your physical habit.

If you administer it rectally though you can buy yourself a bit more time, but only a bit.

As for pods in the UK, you can use any wholesale floral distributor or even retail dried flower specialist and buy them as is at a slightly higher price. Sometimes it will be as much as 1 US dollar per small pod but in times of need, that is fair enough.

on Customs, you can roll the dice with that one because of course it wuillbe snatched if they find it but they cannot find everything of course. In a nation like the UK it is not such a major issue for the person on the receiving end, as it would be say, in some Asian nations where it could end in lethal injection.

[millionaire]

Pods do not last longer than heroin, well to be exact they do but in a very minimal and indiscernilbe manner. The predominant alkaloid in opium is morphine. Heroin is bascally morphine since it is reconverted to morphine upon ingestion. Heroin is merely a great delivery system for morphine.

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As for pods in the UK, you can use any wholesale floral distributor or even retail dried flower specialist and buy them as is at a slightly higher price. Sometimes it will be as much as 1 US dollar per small pod but in times of need, that is fair enough.


Hi rachamim,

I'm certainly willing to accept your greater knowledge, however my impression was that Heroin has a fairly short but intense effect, but opium (ingested as pods) had a lesser but longer lasting effect due to the way it is absorbed. The total amount of morphine absorbed may well be similar or less effectively utilised, but really good pods can keep me at a constant high for 10 hours but the heroin was good for maybe 2 hours (admittedly nodding fairly constantly, head on the chest). I personally preferred the longer lasting lower level effect.

Thanks for the advice re wholesale distributors - I have been mainly using these although the ones I've used seem to all get their supply mainly from Shropshire - and they don't seem very good pods. If you know of any personally that have decent pods, I would be much in your debt, since my whole dilemma re heroin usage was due to not being able to get hold of decent pods anymore.

[rachamim18]

Thanks for the kind words. Nope. Half life is half life. Opium of course is a collection of alkaloids in vegetable matter but what are the alkaloids? The largest percentage is morphine, and heroin is morphine so that they are very close. The expereince psychoactively is VERY different but the half lives involved do not change.

As for 10 hours, well I cannot tell you of course what you do or do not feel but it is highly unlikely that a person could have actual physcial effects for that long. There are of course differences related to mode of administration but it is really not that different.

You ARE right about intensity, just not about overall duration. Well, to be exact I should offer that heroin has shorter half life than morphine but not by any great amount so that it comes down to nuance.

Heroin and morphine, in terms of psychoactive effects, last from 6 to 8 hours. Tea, or opium per se, is about the same but wuth differences in peaks and graphic rolls.

On sources, I have not been allowed in your country in decades so I could not other than to offer that online friends assure me that it still the same. If I do get a heds up, I will certainly let you know.

[millionaire]

OK thanks for putting me straight on that rachamim. I guess I should clarify that the first 4 hours of the 10 quoted is very low level feeling for me before full effects take place (I guess I have a slow metabolism being rather older:)). The Heroin was a very short onset.

Irrespective of the pro's and cons I am glad that I took the experiment with regard to the H. I know everyone is different but when I get those good pods, they really effect me in a such a nice way (going on 2 years now) and at least I can fool myself that I'm controlling the addiction to some extent.:) I know I'm not really and I'm storing up trouble for the future, but hey there you go.

Finally an apology to all those in my last thread who tried to persuade me not to try Heroin, you were right of course, but there's no accounting for the stupidity of human nature and fortunately it seems to have worked out OK.

[rachamim18]

First, noone can try, or even should try (save for actual people that are truly close to you) to tell you what to do. Heroin is an inanimate substance. As such, it is neither good nor bad. Its usage is what defines it either way. If used safely and in moderation it is no more dangerous than APAP. Both can kill rather easily although mode of ingestion has alot to do with it as well...Anyway...

Pods offer a different experience in that they have thebaine which acts as a stimulant in in certain dosages, and you also gain a wider psycoactive experience in that you are not just feeling morphine as far as the depressant alkaloids.

In the end, it is up to you and you need to decide what is right for you. Just make sure you do so safely.

[Thebane]

While I've never done heroin my pupils have been pinned from pods for over 9 hours. I knew the half-life of pods and morphine/heroin were about the same (obviosuly they all have the same active drug). However, I assumed the longer high was a result of the actual pod matter being ingested. Sort of like extended release, but instead of fillers a 50mm thick wall of cellulose. This is also the reason tea made from pods hits faster but goes away sooner. All the morphine is just in water rather than stored in chunks of cellulose. I thought this was commonly accepted fact? Maybe it was on the porg or something, but I took it for granted since it made perfect sense when you think of eating pods vs drinking tea. And the way everyone says to taper down on pods rather than a short-acting drug like heroin. Since pods have their own built-in time release.

[Duckfeet]

On pluggin H. I know we had a horrible endless thread on this a while back, but I did want to say, that I had pretty good luck with plugging H. Just cooked it up same way I would to fix it, except after drawing up in big (3cc I think it is, but anyway, the big barrel w/removable needle) and then plugged, and laid down for about 5-10 minutes as it acted first minute by wanting to reject itself like enema would. Anyway, somewhere in there I would get not a rush, but a creeping sense of well-being, which I"ve always associated with the best of heroin. Plugging worked better than IV with tar, which is hell on beat-up veins like mine. So for those pod people who are trying H, this might very well be reasonable avenue of ingesting it.

First time I did whole paragraph on pluggin without having to take side-road into juvenile humor....can't help meself!

[underide]

Well, to be exact I should offer that heroin has shorter half life than morphine but not by any great amount so that it comes down to nuance.



I am not trying to pick a fight with you Rachamim, but i do believe that heroin's halflife is extraordinarily short.
As most people here know, after crossing the blood-brain barrier heroin converts into morphine

[chopstix]

I am not trying to pick a fight with you Rachamim, but i do believe that heroin's halflife is extraordinarily short.
As most people here know, after crossing the blood-brain barrier heroin converts into morphine

What rachamim writes makes sense on paper, but I've had a cup of poppy tea constipate me for over 48hrs. Can't say that about Heroin. I've also nodded a full 12-16hrs after drinking tea, maybe it's just slow absorbtion into the system but there is no question that a cup of strong tea has a *MUCH* longer duration of effect than a shot of H.

[rachamim18]

underride: Actually you are correct on this one. Half life of heroin is very short, my thoughts were on its metabolites and i am wrong for not saying so. Thanks for pointing it out. But morphine is a metabolite, as you said and its half life will be the same as the predominant alkaloid in tea, morphine.

Chopstix: Sure, absorption is the key. We all prepare it differently and it is more easily soluble on longer flat surfaces so that a person like me who actually powderises pods, will not get a smuch benefit as a person who seeps it in larger pieces,etc. It alld epends on taste,etc. Hey, in the end, as long as it works for you.

Duck: Yeah, plugging is great in a bind but as you say there is a tendency to kind of reject it, for lack of a better term, ha. Too bad the ratio is 1:1 with morphine on oral:rectal (although I believe rectal still wins out because it depends on the manner of administration) or I would be doing it much more often.

[chopstix]

Chopstix: Sure, absorption is the key. We all prepare it differently and it is more easily soluble on longer flat surfaces so that a person like me who actually powderises pods, will not get a smuch benefit as a person who seeps it in larger pieces,etc. It alld epends on taste,etc. Hey, in the end, as long as it works for you.


??

I grind pods into dust and filter through a coffee press, I'm not getting your point.