Speedballs

[drcool010]

About a month and a half ago I tried my first speedball and naturally I enjoyed it very much. Since than I have been doing them very infrequently (about one day every 2-3 weeks). But when I have yay Ill shoot them all day or night untill i run out of either dope or coke. Than I wont do it again for a few weeks. MY question to the very intelligent :p opio community is how bad is this for me. Is really bad for one part of my body specifically; like my heart? OR is it ok to do in moderation. Im gonna go shoot some more dope and coke while I wait for an anwser.

[chopstix]

Yumm.. Speedballs.. Not something I'll do to excess though, I don't like coke for more than a few minutes, after the first or second hit you're just chasing your tail..

It taxes the shit out of your circulatory system, especially IV or smoked. It also messes with the neurotransmitters and if you do it a lot it can cause a long term, low level depression.. I know a few people that can't put it down, been addicted for all of their adult life, take little breaks here and there but they are owned by C. They age quickly and are chronically depressed from it..

Ever notice how coke heads usually look older and (most) junkies tend to look younger?

[underide]

I don't like coke for more than a few minutes, after the first or second hit you're just chasing your tail..



I'll have to agree with that.
Don't get me wrong, speedballs are great. But after your first shot (if youre like me at all) you would imidiately want to do another. And the next shot is basically just coke is what you feel, albeit potentiated by heroin. You really have to wait at least 5 hours after the initial speedball for it to gain back its magical properties, otherwise mixing coke with heroin is just pointless, you might as well just bang coke on its own if you're into that. Personally i hate shooting coke now. Done some irreversible damage to my precious veins with the shit.

Haven't done a speedball in more than a year - you got me all horny now!

[Narkotikon]

I've never shot a ball before, but what I do know is that the comedown is hellish compared to either drug alone. Also, it's very easy to OD on speedballs, because the the potential to OD on the H is greater. The coke can mask the depressant effects of the H, and since the coke wears off more quickly, you could be fine for a half an hour, then sort of OD on the H. It's better to do them seperately, H first then coke.

[chopstix]

H first then coke.

Maybe in theory but not in practice, if you do the dope first, you'll wish you would have saved it for when the C is gone..

They used to sell "one and ones" at an open market in SF, prices change over the years but they have been as low as $10. Most times the white is so-so but I've had a few bell ringers. For a long time it was easier to find the speedballs then it was to find straight dope..

[Narkotikon]

Maybe in theory but not in practice, if you do the dope first, you'll wish you would have saved it for when the C is gone..

They used to sell "one and ones" at an open market in SF, prices change over the years but they have been as low as $10. Most times the white is so-so but I've had a few bell ringers. For a long time it was easier to find the speedballs then it was to find straight dope..

Well, yeah, the H would be perfect for the coke comedown. I was just meaning in terms of harm reduction since drcool seems to be new to this. You could always do H, C, then H. Although, I'd bypass the coke alltogether and just settle for the H. Coke has nothing on good H.

[underide]

I've never shot a ball before, but what I do know is that the comedown is hellish compared to either drug alone. Also, it's very easy to OD on speedballs, because the the potential to OD on the H is greater.


When I first began using dope and coke together, and have found that if you dont have much of a dope habit, then the crash after doing a speedball is virtually non-existant. Its only if you do a speedball and the continue doing coke throughout the night, then you crash hard. But its actually a coke crash - nothing to do with the actuall speedball. Back then I would usually do aspeedball or 2, then continue slamming coke untill its gone, but always make sure that i keep some dope for when the coke runs out. Then i would just slam some dope at the end of the night and suffer no crash. Dope helps alot with a coke crash.
And you dont have 'comedowns' from dope.

But that was a while ago, thinngs maybe a little different now that i have a huge tolerance thanks to evil 'done

I think that the potential for OD from speedballs is only great if you have no tolerance. Its mostly opiate naive people that die from speedbals, mostly because coke/smack work to potentiate each other.
Once you get a tolerance i think speedballs are not as dangerous as some make them out to be. Its probably just media hysteria.
As long as you know your dope dose and your coke dose, and trust your dealer, you would be safe enough shooting a speedball. Same risks apply to just shooting either dope or coke on their own.

[drcool010]

I've never shot a ball before, but what I do know is that the comedown is hellish compared to either drug alone. Also, it's very easy to OD on speedballs, because the the potential to OD on the H is greater. The coke can mask the depressant effects of the H, and since the coke wears off more quickly, you could be fine for a half an hour, then sort of OD on the H. It's better to do them seperately, H first then coke.

Comedown from coke by itself is hellish, which is why I rarely fuck with coke by itself. The speedball is a completely different animal, the comedown is not hellish whatsoever. The coke you feel for the first 5 minutes or so and that the dope takesover and brings you down smoothly. Thats why I can see how people can become obsessed with this combo and do it to the point where it completely controls/ruins there lives. Its kinda like playing with fire because most dont know if there the type of person who will have it take over there lives once they try. In my opinion, nothing comes close to the short but sweet bliss of a speedball. So my suggestion to those who havent tried it is dont try it. But who am I to be telling people what to do.

[Narkotikon]

Well, I've never done the ball, but I've IV'd a lot of opies, and I've snorted coke / smoked crack. I generally prefer the opies, but the crack is amazing too, although I've not done it since February 2006. It was funny because at that time I was in MMT, and the counselor there said I was speedballing. She said that because I openly told her I was doing coke (I had hooked up with this guy for about four weeks and we'd do a lot of coke / rock -- it was more of a boredome thing for me, being bored and wanting the high that I could no longer get from the opies because of the done). But anyway, I would tell the counselor because I knew I'd be given a UA and what's the point in hiding. Basically she said I was speedballing with the done in my system, which was not the case. The coke / rock just felt like coke / rock. I'm telling you, methadone doesn't make me high at all. It just makes me sleepy, crave ice cream / chocolate, and gives me a unmotivated feeling, whereas morphine makes me energetic and love life.

[noahzark]

I used to be badly hooked on that speed ball crap. IMO the coke is a no win. If a person could do it once in a while then it is not bad at all for you. The problem is that most people get hooked on that coke rush and chase it. I have not heard of too many people who can do it once in awhile and then not do it for weeks or months, they end up spending all their money and time doing it or thinking about it. The coke they get now is crap compared to what we had in the 70's, the ether based shit that you could tase like crazy ten seconds after pulling out the rig. They have made it hard to get either so they use diesel fuel to break down the coca leaves now.

Coke users scam, steal and never win, dope users get a buzz and then are satisfied. Ever know anyone who shoots or smokes coke to feel satisfied?

Noahzark

[tui]

^^ got to agree with that.

i've never had a coke comedown though- and i used day and night for 3 months. in my opinion the neg effects are intense cravings- not sicklyness.

also, back to the original question, yes coke affects your heart, i have witnessed a few close calls to do with this- esp if someone has a weak heart already...

luck,
t

[slugbone]

^^ got to agree with that.

i've never had a coke comedown though- and i used day and night for 3 months. in my opinion the neg effects are intense cravings- not sicklyness.

also, back to the original question, yes coke affects your heart, i have witnessed a few close calls to do with this- esp if someone has a weak heart already...

luck,
t

that is what zapped layne staley, although at the end he was huffing paint and all sorts of weird shit. when the found him he had one in his arm and another loaded up ready to go on the couch

[Hard way]

I used to be badly hooked on that speed ball crap. IMO the coke is a no win. If a person could do it once in a while then it is not bad at all for you. The problem is that most people get hooked on that coke rush and chase it. I have not heard of too many people who can do it once in awhile and then not do it for weeks or months, they end up spending all their money and time doing it or thinking about it. The coke they get now is crap compared to what we had in the 70's, the ether based shit that you could tase like crazy ten seconds after pulling out the rig. They have made it hard to get either so they use diesel fuel to break down the coca leaves now.

Coke users scam, steal and never win, dope users get a buzz and then are satisfied. Ever know anyone who shoots or smokes coke to feel satisfied?

Noahzark

I'll second that, the last time I did coke I asked myself what the "fuxk is this" as it did'nt have that ether
tast that I loved. I have not done a Speedball in 20 years and I have not used IV drugs in 15. At one point in my life I would be sick as a dog with dope in my hand and would not fix until I had some coke.

It was truly killing me, as the Coke in LA in the 70's was the bomb and for 10 bucks you would get about a half a gram. I thank God that I had the presence of mind to give it up or I would'nt be here writting about it. Warnings never help but it will get out of hand, as I had as more self control than most and I got real stupid on Coke. Be careful!!!

[Thebane]

that is what zapped layne staley, although at the end he was huffing paint and all sorts of weird shit. when the found him he had one in his arm and another loaded up ready to go on the couch


If you don't mind me asking where'd you find this info? I've always found information on the last year or so of Layne Staley's life hard to find. Just from assorted articles? Or is there some book or something I've missed? I never read the Angry Chair book, which if I remember correctly got horrible reviews from many people close to him.

[Thebane]

And back to the original post:

This site says speedball uses in the UK are three times less likely to have a steady sexual partner. Therefore I'd advise against it, or for it, depending on if you have one and how you feel about them.
http://www.drugscope.org.uk/OneStopCMS/Core/CrawlerResourceServer.aspx?resource=AD6B35C3-B74E-4DD8-9A0B-814F9C77ADFB&mode=link&guid=df1bf37501664bf5b83ca4fa45346c42

But on a more serious note. I'm sure I read an article that correlated the rise of speedballing among English heroin uses (25% to 80%) in the last decade, according to one survey, with a huge increase in overdosing among English heroin users. Can't seem to find the article right now.

[slugbone]

If you don't mind me asking where'd you find this info? I've always found information on the last year or so of Layne Staley's life hard to find. Just from assorted articles? Or is there some book or something I've missed? I never read the Angry Chair book, which if I remember correctly got horrible reviews from many people close to him.

there was the police report on the smoking gun.com, plus the seattle times has several articles, you have to register to read them but worth it. the cops found many paint cans arond the apartment, plus layne there in his chair with the tv still on, describes his degree of decomposition, etc..

i've spent a shit load of my time reading and looking thru websites probably too much but layne is the man and one of my idols. you can find some stuff on AIC message boards and lets see,...if i can think of other places i'll come back and edit this

[chopstix]

that is what zapped layne staley, although at the end he was huffing paint and all sorts of weird shit. when the found him he had one in his arm and another loaded up ready to go on the couch

I know a few people that knew him and I've never heard anything about him huffing, not that it isn't true..

Pretty sad story, they knew something was wrong when he quit drawing off his bank account. When they found him, he had been dead for a few days in a house in the U District but there wasn't much smell simply because there just wasn't much of him left to rot. He died alone on a run that probably wouldn't have ended any other way.

I got arrested once and wound up in county with a guy I went to HS with. Said he'd been partying with Layne quite a bit - crack, klonopin and obviously lots and lots of tar. That combo is pretty common in Seattle, eat the kpins and do some dope and then the game is to try and keep your eyes open long enough to get the lighter to the pipe. If ya get the hit, you got about 5 minutes to load the pipe and try again.. updownupdownupdown..

I can't even listen to Mad Season or much AIC anymore save maybe jar of flies, it just bums me out.. People always expect rock stars to go out in a blaze of glory but not Layne, he died slowly and alone..

[slugbone]

I know a few people that knew him and I've never heard anything about him huffing, not that it isn't true..

Pretty sad story, they knew something was wrong when he quit drawing off his bank account. When they found him, he had been dead for a few days in a house in the U District but there wasn't much smell simply because there just wasn't much of him left to rot. He died alone on a run that probably wouldn't have ended any other way.

I got arrested once and wound up in county with a guy I went to HS with. Said he'd been partying with Layne quite a bit - crack, klonopin and obviously lots and lots of tar. That combo is pretty common in Seattle, eat the kpins and do some dope and then the game is to try and keep your eyes open long enough to get the lighter to the pipe. If ya get the hit, you got about 5 minutes to load the pipe and try again.. updownupdownupdown..

I can't even listen to Mad Season or much AIC anymore save maybe jar of flies, it just bums me out.. People always expect rock stars to go out in a blaze of glory but not Layne, he died slowly and alone..

great post man, yeah i guess i shouldn't say he was huffing after all just a guess we will never know.

remember some articles like mark lanegan says layne had lost track of time? like he wouldn't talk to people for months and think it was only a couple weeks or so, i get that way somtimes.

its just such a hard way to go, but ultimately it was his choice - i nevr met the man in my life but i think about him besides just his music very often.

[chopstix]

great post man, yeah i guess i shouldn't say he was huffing after all just a guess we will never know.

remember some articles like mark lanegan says layne had lost track of time? like he wouldn't talk to people for months and think it was only a couple weeks or so, i get that way somtimes.

its just such a hard way to go, but ultimately it was his choice - i nevr met the man in my life but i think about him besides just his music very often.

From what the guy I know who was partying with him said, he really liked coke and benzos; that and an unlimited bank account and I'm not surprised that he disappeared for months at a time. I know Cantrell had been fed up for a long time and it seems like he (Layne) was rather un-inspired towards the end, he had other artistic interests, I don't know if he gave up on those too..

Friend of mine went to high school with him, he was a couple grades under her. She said he was a really nice guy, pretty normal typical suburban Seattle long-hair stoner kid. He's kinda legendary in the district for showing up at random places and being totally generous with his shit, my HS friend said the same thing, kicked down left and right and spent money on dope like there was no tomorrow..

This thread-derailment habit of mine is getting outta hand..

[SuperJunky]

I've never shot a ball before, but what I do know is that the comedown is hellish compared to either drug alone. Also, it's very easy to OD on speedballs, because the the potential to OD on the H is greater. The coke can mask the depressant effects of the H, and since the coke wears off more quickly, you could be fine for a half an hour, then sort of OD on the H. It's better to do them seperately, H first then coke.

If ya got any type of tolerance to opiates this really doesn't pan out, coke, I swear it just strips the dope out of yeah, I can do 1 shot of c and many massive shots of dope and be twitchy and cursing my decision to do the god damned powder a very short time later: Enter benzos - A lot, and speedballs can become tolerable, preload w/ a bunch, and another fistfull a bit later, helps smooth things out a lot.

The Point of all this: DOn't fuck around w/ hard drugs if dyeing is a really big concern of yours, OD can happen, and while I can't load enough dope into two or three 1cc rigs to fall out I'm reckless and over cofident, which is exactly what usually leads to OD and death by recreational fun, but as they all say, and I to chime, but w/ a true knowing others only think they have, It could never happen to me - atleast not intentionally, ha- probably not intentionally either. My advice is usually great, but don't do as I do, do as I say, for you see, I've ignored my own advice so many times it no longer applies to me...

H first then coke? What a waste of fricken H. Unless you got more dope to keep the series going and especialy to finish it you might as well as shoot bleach?
From what the guy I know who was partying with him said, he really liked coke and benzos; that and an unlimited bank account and I'm not surprised that he disappeared for months at a time. I know Cantrell had been fed up for a long time and it seems like he (Layne) was rather un-inspired towards the end, he had other artistic interests, I don't know if he gave up on those too..

Friend of mine went to high school with him, he was a couple grades under her. She said he was a really nice guy, pretty normal typical suburban Seattle long-hair stoner kid. He's kinda legendary in the district for showing up at random places and being totally generous with his shit, my HS friend said the same thing, kicked down left and right and spent money on dope like there was no tomorrow..

This thread-derailment habit of mine is getting outta hand..

God damn, I really have to read all the posts to keep things coherant. Sounds scary familiar, spending thousands of dollars and keeping numerouse people high, supporting the majority of others habits, fufilling all the wants and needs of every one regaurldless if I'll suffer for it later, w/ no real regret, though most of that generosity has dried up, I've become bitter, sick of watching the greedy attempt to carry as many of my drugs off as they can, constantly pushing it and falling out...

[Z-man]

Ah yes, the Speedball. Occasionally I'll get asked by a drug-naive person what a speedball feels like. My standard answer is, "If God ever has an orgasm, that's how He feels." A perfectly mixed, high-quality ingredient speedball is truly the Orgasm of the Gods. And I haven't done one in years. Back in the day I used to be into speedballin' big time, it's what ended my career as a coke dealer. The trick is to have enough dope and coke so that you won't run out of either, and I used to be able to manage that with ease (we're talking decades ago here, it's long past the statute of limitations on anything I'm describing). I used to carry around a vial of pre-mixed H/Coke solution, so I could do it just about anywhere. I remember sitting out at the end of the town dock, injecting speedballs by moonlight (yeah, I had unmissable veins back then, too). Yep, those were the days... But really I can't recommend the speedball to anyone, it's just too damn dangerous. It's not a coincidence that the speedball is the overdose drug of choice among the rich and famous (John Belushi is perhaps the most notorious example of this, but there were many others.) Frankly, I almost didn't survive myself, not after blowing around $80,000 in a single summer - all my working capital, all blown speedballin', what a wild time that was! After an experience like that, and I actually remember very little of that summer, I have to conclude that speedballs are just too damn good, too damn addictive. It will take over your life completely, to the exclusion of all else. Like I said, I haven't done a speedball in years, despite many opportunities, and there's a damn good reason for that. Please, if my description of the stuff has got you curious, proceed with extreme caution! The speedball really does feel every bit as good as I've described. And that should scare the hell out of you.

[dirtdog]

mmmm speedballs....
my first "speedball" was crushed OC and coke mixed together-that was a fun high
Then I graduated to mixing meth and heroin together (a couple of years later)
ooh damn
it is a great rush
and will kill ya

but hey
lifes short :p;)

not exactly the best person here to ask for advice.
all I can say
Its a fun high hehe

[Thebane]

there was the police report on the smoking gun.com, plus the seattle times has several articles, you have to register to read them but worth it. the cops found many paint cans arond the apartment, plus layne there in his chair with the tv still on, describes his degree of decomposition, etc..

i've spent a shit load of my time reading and looking thru websites probably too much but layne is the man and one of my idols. you can find some stuff on AIC message boards and lets see,...if i can think of other places i'll come back and edit this

Hey, thanks alot for the info. Yeah, I've always been fascinated with Layne's life and music. There's something more tragic about his death than even someone like Kurt Cobain. (At least I feel there is) A sort of resignation that is truly horrifying.

[Alifaust]

great post man, yeah i guess i shouldn't say he was huffing after all just a guess we will never know.

remember some articles like mark lanegan says layne had lost track of time? like he wouldn't talk to people for months and think it was only a couple weeks or so, i get that way somtimes.

its just such a hard way to go, but ultimately it was his choice - i nevr met the man in my life but i think about him besides just his music very often.
I think about him a lot too. Hearing about his death upset me way more than it probably should have, since I've never met the guy in my life, I jsut felt such a connection with him through his music. I hope he is in a better place.

[Crow]

I've never shot a ball before, but what I do know is that the comedown is hellish compared to either drug alone. Also, it's very easy to OD on speedballs, because the the potential to OD on the H is greater. The coke can mask the depressant effects of the H, and since the coke wears off more quickly, you could be fine for a half an hour, then sort of OD on the H. It's better to do them seperately, H first then coke.

Wha? Hellish crash after speedballing? Maybe after a night of speedballing, with shitty dope, and potent blow. You mix the smack in there to eliminate the crash, not to make it worse.

Speedballing is fun, but, as almost everyone has said thus far, it is a whole new addiction in its own right. Will kill your veins, and eventually you, if done too much.

That said, the last few posts I have written (this one included) have been typed while I enjoy a nice mix of the ol' dirt and snow. Like I said, its fun. ;)

[akizum]

im reading this forum about a year now but never sad anything. today was gonna start a topic about speedballs couse that is what get me hooked on IV ing about 5 years ago. there is nothing really i can say anything what it haven't mentioned above . my story:
i started using dope bout 5 years ago few days of smoking it started me IV ing and after a few months making speedballs (i dont do it anymore couse i went down till the bottom fucked up my veins totally)
after a year got on just clean H and stayed on that.
i had a small jar premixed w/ H and C (just like above) so i didnt had to deal w the mixing, just load the rig and go.
My only thing i can add maybe i tried different ratios between H and C and there is a "just right " ratio (its diff for diff people) but when i had the same quality H n C for a few days usually i got it on the second day and that shot was at least 25% better than the others.
all i can say watch it! first time do a smaller amount from both and rather dont get that high and do another .
this can kill u ! been a few times really close.

(sorry english isnt my firs language):o

[odd]

Maybe in theory but not in practice, if you do the dope first, you'll wish you would have saved it for when the C is gone..

They used to sell "one and ones" at an open market in SF, prices change over the years but they have been as low as $10. Most times the white is so-so but I've had a few bell ringers. For a long time it was easier to find the speedballs then it was to find straight dope..

ahh the good ole' one and ones from **th and mission.