whts up cant feel vic after off sub

[caligirl]

I have been on bup for 3 months. Started at 8mg 2x aday. Got down to 2mg 1 aday. I stopped using bup completely 7 days ago. I have scored some vic's & have taken a couple but they have NO effect.
Does anyone know why i cant feel the vic?
Can the bup block the vic for 8 days?
Any thoughts on how to feel the vicodin?

[GMorris]

If I had to guess, I'd say it's just tolerance. I used to get seriously wasted off of Hydro, but after I went on methadone for 2-1/2 years then switching to Morphine, I could still get good and buzzy off of the Morphine but not Hydro anymore. I took 3 or 4 of the 7.5's some time ago and felt absolutely nothing. Most likely you're not going to be able to get any kind of buzz from them unless you take a megadose. I don't recommend taking a megadose, but if you try it be sure to do a Cold Water Extraction so as not to screw up your liver.

Maybe others here have suggestions...

[duke_nemmerle]

Yup, it's likely just tolerance(the bane of any opiate user) For some of us, no amount of hydro would even give us an itch. That's the worst part about using, you can't really go back to that dose that used to do you in. Most likely tolerance

[paesan]

Yeah it's definetely tolerance...40 mg of hydro or Oxy used to get me blasted now 160 mg of either barely causes an itch. Fuckin tolerance...I know that despite the fact that bup doesn't cause a buzz for most it's still much stronger than hydro and many other opies, and it does effectively fill up/block up your opie receptors(that's how it reduces/stops WD). If your used to having them filled up by something stronger (even if it's lacking a buzz) it'll take a lot more of something weaker to fill them up enough to give you a buzz. It's like those on MMPs; with the methadone they eventually will not feel anything off of it, and on high enough doses they will not feel anything off any other opiate either...including H. Weening down and stopping for a week isn't going to make a big difference in your tolerance. It'll likely be months or even years before your tolerance comes down substantially. Maintenence is a bitch aint it???

[jacky]

neuorgenesis is a term which some people use to describe the purported stimulated growth of brain tissue, neurotransmitters and receptors reproduction etc. purportedly drugs such as morphine,cocaine, and amphetamine and others can cause this increase in selective neuron growth......some theorize that tolerance and cravings associated with drug addiction/use and subsequent withdrawl symptoms from ending use/abuse are caused in part by this increase in particular receptors/neurotransmitters.

perhaps there will be some appropriate use of these compounds for neurodegenerative disorders?

maybe the study of addiction has some golden promise.

perhaps morphine might be considered a nutirent/hormone of sorts by an endocrinologist?

I think the rightful claim of an opiate addict of needing a clinical maintenance drug like buprenorphine or methadone should be applied to the addicts of methamphetamine and cocaine addicts.

My own tolerance issues with addictive opioids and opiates leads me to dream of multiple opioid therapy type of regimines, in which an addict is able to use several if not 10-20 differing opioid and non opioid like compounds to address the needs of dosage increase and decrease and substance manipulation/subsitution. this is a dream not likely to be reproduced in any clinic that I know of...........
but it can be experienced first hand with some self education, and energys aimed at building oneself an herbal library of sorts, aquiring some standard prescriptions, and even some foods and vitamins.
grapefruit,
l-aspartic acid,
even over the counter DXM.

My tolerance hasnt actually increased alot in time. I can still get some good euphoria from even codeine, but that is only if I dont have a daily habit going.
my tolerance might increase like so, clean of opiates 30-60 milligrams of morphine will do me just fine. but as tolerance grows I will need up to 190 milligrams or so just to get through the day. if I use other herbs, opioid in nature and not, switch to kratom for awhile, or buprenorphine, manipulate/moderate dosage and substance I have found that I can keep my tolerance from getting too out of control, comfortably as well, with no sick days from work, or other bullshit I normally would attribute with being "strung out"

I dont call using the way I use opioids now as being "strung out". more like a liberating tonic.

even chamomille and rosemary are reported to have positive effects on the experience of opiate tolerance or withdrawl.

I imagine that in 100 years addiction will still exist, some will succumb, and some will fortify their addictions, some will control addiction, and maybe a few will transcend addiction but still use.
morphine might as well be a hormonal supplement in my opinion.
I think in the future that opioids will be revered instead of feared.

[devilsdrug]

there must be something to the post on keeping ones tolerance down swim alternates every 2 or 3 days chew on a piece of non gel fentanyl patch, vico, tea , talwin , ultram

[duke_nemmerle]

neuorgenesis is a term which some people use to describe the purported stimulated growth of brain tissue, neurotransmitters and receptors reproduction etc. purportedly drugs such as morphine,cocaine, and amphetamine and others can cause this increase in selective neuron growth......some theorize that tolerance and cravings associated with drug addiction/use and subsequent withdrawl symptoms from ending use/abuse are caused in part by this increase in particular receptors/neurotransmitters.

perhaps there will be some appropriate use of these compounds for neurodegenerative disorders?

maybe the study of addiction has some golden promise.

perhaps morphine might be considered a nutirent/hormone of sorts by an endocrinologist?

I think the rightful claim of an opiate addict of needing a clinical maintenance drug like buprenorphine or methadone should be applied to the addicts of methamphetamine and cocaine addicts.

My own tolerance issues with addictive opioids and opiates leads me to dream of multiple opioid therapy type of regimines, in which an addict is able to use several if not 10-20 differing opioid and non opioid like compounds to address the needs of dosage increase and decrease and substance manipulation/subsitution. this is a dream not likely to be reproduced in any clinic that I know of...........
but it can be experienced first hand with some self education, and energys aimed at building oneself an herbal library of sorts, aquiring some standard prescriptions, and even some foods and vitamins.
grapefruit,
l-aspartic acid,
even over the counter DXM.

My tolerance hasnt actually increased alot in time. I can still get some good euphoria from even codeine, but that is only if I dont have a daily habit going.
my tolerance might increase like so, clean of opiates 30-60 milligrams of morphine will do me just fine. but as tolerance grows I will need up to 190 milligrams or so just to get through the day. if I use other herbs, opioid in nature and not, switch to kratom for awhile, or buprenorphine, manipulate/moderate dosage and substance I have found that I can keep my tolerance from getting too out of control, comfortably as well, with no sick days from work, or other bullshit I normally would attribute with being "strung out"

I dont call using the way I use opioids now as being "strung out". more like a liberating tonic.

even chamomille and rosemary are reported to have positive effects on the experience of opiate tolerance or withdrawl.

I imagine that in 100 years addiction will still exist, some will succumb, and some will fortify their addictions, some will control addiction, and maybe a few will transcend addiction but still use.
morphine might as well be a hormonal supplement in my opinion.
I think in the future that opioids will be revered instead of feared.

Yo, jacky, care to elaborate on aspartic acid? Isn't that what makes up a good amount of aspartame? I was watching a documentary on aspartame the other day and could've sworn that was what was in it. I suppose I could look it up, but you've got a great way of explaining things that makes it very interesting to read :)

[Peripat]

there must be something to the post on keeping ones tolerance down swim alternates every 2 or 3 days chew on a piece of non gel fentanyl patch, vico, tea , talwin , ultram
It really depends on how long you've been using, how heavily, what you've been using, and of course that wonderful variable - your own body chemistry. "YMMV" (Your Mileage May Vary) - indeed, never more truer words were spoken...