General Question about shots.

[Evolbeaver]

I haven't really gotten into the whole IV thing, only tried it a few times out of curiosity. I didn't find it to do much more than smoking, so im curious if im not taking enough or if im preparing it wrong. Im using black tar, dissolving it in water in a spoon. If i dont put any heat to it, it looks "thicker" and is not transparent. If i heat it any, even only a little, it becomes transparent, but still brown, and a bunch of shit clumps together and kinda precipitates out of the solution, then just gets filtered when i suck it into the syringe. The shit doesn't get filtered by the cotton if i dont heat it, so it makes it into the syringe (but isn't clumpy w/o the heat). I hope im being clear enough. Which way is correct? I was concern for a while that maybe whatever it is that clumps up is the drugs, but i dont think that makes a whole lot of sense. My main question is what does a shot look like? Is it transparent and brown? Or is it just brown and you cant see through the liquid in the syringe? Thanks in advance for the help.

[Evolbeaver]

Oh, Ive asked this question a few times but im not sure if anyone ever responded. What is the appropriate volume of a shot? What is the upper limit on how many mL's should be injected safely? I just really don't want to get into a complicated medical situation over something dumb, nor does anyone i would think. Thanks again everyone.

[devilsdrug]

man the ? yu ask cannot be answered responsibly over the damn screen too many varibles call your closest neighborhood junky just buy him a fix the first time

[shaunclo]

Just like Devil said, there is no appropriate CC's of water to use or anything. This question cannot be answered for you over the net. It is all about tolerance, no one in their right mind is going to give you the answer because there is no answer. It differs for everyone. I have taken shots that were so black that I couldnt see through the syringe, I have also had shots where the syringe was transluscent. Why dont you just cook up a small amount and shoot it, if you dont get fuckered up, then next time use a little bit more. So on and so on. Thats what I did.

Evol Beaver, you seem so bitter if someone doesnt reply to one of your posts, chill out kid, a lot of people dont post replys to certain questions because it could mean DEATH. Shooting H is no fucking joke, YOU CAN DIE FROM IT VERY EASILY!! Just use common sense. There are no rules and regulations when it comes to cooking shots. You need to be with someone who knows what they are doing, or take it very slow. Be safe and have fun.

[Evolbeaver]

Well thanks for the responses, im sorry if i seem bitter, i really dont mean to nor do i feel bad or upset if no one responds to a post of mine. Im sorry if i come off that way, i dont know why i do but I really do not mean to in any way at all. I try to use this site to educate myself and learn, I dont think i get upset if no one has a response to my post. I do highly appreciate the responses i do get and would like to give another thanks to everyone. Man, I feel bad if people think im being an asshole or getting mad, i had no idea, sorry to everyone i guess, i really dont want to be perceived that way. Take it easy everyone, thanks agian.

[Evolbeaver]

Just like Devil said, there is no appropriate CC's of water to use or anything. This question cannot be answered for you over the net. It is all about tolerance, no one in their right mind is going to give you the answer because there is no answer. It differs for everyone.

Yeah, I am aware that things like these vary for everyone, but I was wondering what is the upper limit on what is safe to shoot. Obviously there is no way that one volume could satisfy everyone, but I am just curious as if it gets dangerous to inject like three mL's or if it starts to get dangerous at higher volumes, closer to like 20 or something. I hope no one has a 20 cc shot, but i am still curious, mostly for peace of mind i guess. Thanks everyone.

[mort]

Yeah, I am aware that things like these vary for everyone, but I was wondering what is the upper limit on what is safe to shoot. Obviously there is no way that one volume could satisfy everyone, but I am just curious as if it gets dangerous to inject like three mL's or if it starts to get dangerous at higher volumes, closer to like 20 or something. I hope no one has a 20 cc shot, but i am still curious, mostly for peace of mind i guess. Thanks everyone.
20 cc syringes exist (or at least I have seen 20 cc glass syringes on e-bay) but I doubt anyone would use them for recreational.

It has more to do with how saturated your solution is. How many points (100 mg) did you throw in there? In Los Angeles a bag will be 1 point while in San Francisco the bags seem to be 3 points (half-gram, my ass), so I hear. For most people 1 point is nice while, perhaps 6 points might be lethal (except for those rare places where you have greater than 95% purity, where less than a bag and you're fucking dead, unless you're mighty damned "experienced"). It is advisable to first shoot about 5 units (1 unit = .01 ml), wait for 10 sec. shoot half, wait 10 sec. then shoot the rest (and to always shoot slowly, so as to allow the solution to move along and not overfill your veins - POP!) to make sure that you haven't overwhelmed yourself. Slow and steady, chief.

[bi11i]

This would be a good question to ask via SWIM at our Q&A forum. Candy can assist in precautions - do what you can to no incriminate yourself...

[shaunclo]

EvolBeaver, Im sorry if I sounded like an ass myself. I just want you to understand that shooting dope is no joke and can easily be fatal. I would take a bowl that you would usually smoke, tear it in 1/2 and shoot that 1st. Then see how you react, if not enjoyed, do double that, and so on. Just be very safe and use common sense. Like everyone else here, we want no one harmed in any way. Giving advise on how much to shoot is very risky advice. I wouldnt use anyones advice but my own judgment. Take care buddy, and please dont stop asking questions, we are all here to help, I hope it goes fine for you, please post your results.

[GMorris]

I have to say, in all the time I've been into opies I've only managed to score good heroin once. Back when I shot all the time we could only get Dilaudid regularly, and since they are pharmaceutical you always know exactly how much you are getting. The one time I DID get it, a good buddy cooked it properly and fixed my shot for me, and it REALLY fucked me up big time. I always wondered about tar and how it should be cooked though. If I ever manage to get some, I'd like to know what the general procedure is myself. Who here does this shit enough to give good directions on how to prepare it? Should it be heated, and if so for how long? That's the kind of thing that would probably help the original poster. I wouldn't want to risk wasting a good bump by not cooking enough or for too long. I keep thinking of how Morphine will break down and be worthless if heated to a certain temperature or for too long. These IR pills don't require any heat at all, you just mix them in water real good and draw, but I know that H is different. Anyone?

[Coddfish]

Not quite boilin'. Transparent. Good things dissolve.

[Evolbeaver]

After going back and reading what i posted i realized that it may not be so clear as what i am trying to find out. Truth is I dont know very much about using needles. I have only tried it twice, after reading the procedures and peoples advice on this forum many times over. I do take it very seriously, that is why i take the time to ask questions and wait for people to respond, so that i do not cause any harm to myself. I also use the technique of trying a little bit, and then moving up if i want more. That is where i got a little concerned, i didn't know if it was dangerous to inject that much fluid or if it was okay. I know that the questions i ask cannot be given an exact correct answer over a forum on the web, but i hope to find some advice on how to figure out things on my own. Starting with a little at a time and moving up is great advice and is exactly what i did. I also dont want to take this overboard and end up taking several small shots that may add up to a potentially dangerous amount of liquid being injected. I really dont think that would happen because i use common sense but it doesnt hurt to ask those who may already know the answer, people on this forum. I find this forum to be very helpful and would like to really thank everyone who participates. I really dont mean to sound bitter or like i take this as a joke, so sorry about that. This forum is a great way to get answers/advice. Im just glad that everyone is willing to post and share.

[candy]

Evolbeaver,
I think the advice and suggestions you have been given are right on. As many have said, injecting heroin can be a dangerous thing. There are many variables.
Trying a teat shot, is in my opinion the best way to go.
Just be smart about what your doing. Asking questions is great, but as everyone has said, it is difficult for anyone of us to really judge on the net.
I guess being a nurse and a user myself, I am inclined to go into safety, etc. but if you have any more questions, ask. Better to be safe than sorry.

[duke_nemmerle]

Evolbeaver,
I think the advice and suggestions you have been given are right on. As many have said, injecting heroin can be a dangerous thing. There are many variables.
Trying a teat shot, is in my opinion the best way to go.
Just be smart about what your doing. Asking questions is great, but as everyone has said, it is difficult for anyone of us to really judge on the net.
I guess being a nurse and a user myself, I am inclined to go into safety, etc. but if you have any more questions, ask. Better to be safe than sorry.

Well saftey's the most important thing so creds to you. Evol, do you have any friends who are more experienced IV users? It would be great if you could learn from them maybe.

I think to answer your question though(even though I've never IV'd) It looks as though you can use too much fluid and pop a vein(I think that was one of your questions) Concentration, rather than fluid volume is probably the way you're going to want to guage things.

As with all things non-pharmaceutical, where there can be a variance in potency it's best to be familiar with the onset and whatnot. SWIM always snorted pills rather than ate them that we he could get nearly immediate feedback on whether or not he was safe to do more. IV, I'd say you're safe to start out small and get an honest appraisal of what the effect will be and then move up. So long as you're dealing with something that has a quick onset. If you're messing with something with a long half-life more caution should be taken. I know it's cliche and you know it, but it's always best to start small and be disappointed than to go out with a bang

[milky_tears]

If stuff is prcipitating out/not dissolving when you mix with water, perhaps the H you are getting hasn't been completely turned into it's hydrochloride (salt) form and may need a tiny pinch of citric acid, (or lemon juice/vinegar if desperate) to dissolve completely.

I could be totaly wrong as I know nothing about black tar heroin, but here in the UK, we never have H hcl (No 4) only H base (No 3) so it must ALLWAYS be mixed with an acid to dissolve.

[devilsdrug]

back in the day when the shah of Iran was deposed for the ayatolla there was a lot iranians imigrating to this country and they brought iranian h which had to have several drops lemon or lime juice before it would dissolve. this caused some burning but worked, they sold the h for there $ stake and then bought convenince stores

[candy]

First off, in my last post in this forum, I meant to type test shot and instead typed teat shot! So, pardon me everyone, it was an exhausting day and I usually re-read what I wrote, but did not on this particular post.

Some great reply's here Evolbeaver and as Billi stated, go to Q&A and I will be more than happy to answer any questions you have. Injecting, as I said can be dangerous. Citric acid can be used to help disolve your gear, but I don't advise using lemon juice from a lemon. Too many problems there and you can cause yourself a nasty infection. Maybe I am unclear if you are getting black tar or powder form. If your using black tar, then heating your stuff is what you need to do to disolve it. The color or transparency may vary and it generally does from time to time. And the amount your using in that particular injection has something to do with it and how much water your using to disolve it in.
Injecting can lead to some serious problems. I advise I.V. vs. muscling it or under the skin. Too many infections and abscesses. But, one in a vein, you can give it a nice push, not too fast and if your a beginner, doing 10 units at a time or less to see the reaction is always smart. If you start to see a rise in the skin, pull the needle out. I have seen some who continue to inject and this can lead to all sorts of bad things. Missed shots are common and the best way to treat immediately to help the tissue absorb it faster is to apply heat.
Just covering some basics here. Remember to use clean techniques and apply pressure after pulling out to avoid bruising. Also rubbing some vitamin E oil on the site(s) you use often will help to prevent those ugly black marks. I have a few and they are just not attractive. They are really quite small and not that noticeable, but being a girly girl, I see them.

So, if you have any other questions or concerns....Ask away in Q&A forum. No question is dumb and your safety is the most important thing, most everyone here would agree on that. Having good info and knowing what to do, will keep you healthy and safe.

[george123]

The shot should look dark brown, not transparent. If it is transparent you've added too much water.

[Coddfish]

The shot should look dark brown, not transparent. If it is transparent you've added too much water.This depends on what quality ya got. Dark brown AND transparent is preferable in Swim's experience (which is substantial). And precipitate is normal too; i am pretty darn sure it aint worth worrying about. How much prec.? Again, what quality ya got?

[poppy]

Here in the uk we use citric acid to break the gear down, the colour of the gear when cooked up depends not only the quantity of water added but also on the colour the gear was before it was cooked up. My local community drug team recommend using the smallest quantity of liquid possible. However my partner has an injectable methadone script and he uses 50ml barrels (I think thats right because we refer to all works as 1ml's, 2mls, 5mls etc and obviously the 1ml insulin syringes pictured at the top of the page (u know the ones with the orange tops!!!) I agree with the advice given in some of the other replys, if in doubt buy another smack user a bag and get him/her to show you what to do.(surprisingly this may be difficult because it is a big responsibility for any conscientious smackhead your life in their hands also inject slowly (remember you can put more in but you can't take it out!!) then if you start to feel weird you can stop and hopefully not OD. Why the iv route why not just toot it? :)

[superman]

OK I HAVE AN ANSWER FOR YOU!!!!

now i didn't read all the posts in this thread because the first few people didn't have anything usefull to say. i do. always cook your heroin when preparing an injection. put the smack in the spoon. add 130 units of water. cook it down to 100 units. let it cool down a bit becuase as the solution cools, cuts and crap that you don't want in your veins will precipitate out of the water. then filter through a very tightly rolled ball of cotton. i use Q-tips because the cotton stays packed tighter together and therefore filters more effectively, so suck it thru the cotton and slam away.

cold cooking is dangerous. heroinhelper.com has some good tips for a beginner. also might be a good idea to read the 'IDU safe injection manual' (google it). be safe. and for all those people who replied but didn't know what the fuck they were talking about, you're going to kill somebody some day with bad advise!!! use your head!

[Evolbeaver]

OK I HAVE AN ANSWER FOR YOU!!!!

now i didn't read all the posts in this thread because the first few people didn't have anything usefull to say. i do. always cook your heroin when preparing an injection. put the smack in the spoon. add 130 units of water. cook it down to 100 units. let it cool down a bit becuase as the solution cools, cuts and crap that you don't want in your veins will precipitate out of the water. then filter through a very tightly rolled ball of cotton. i use Q-tips because the cotton stays packed tighter together and therefore filters more effectively, so suck it thru the cotton and slam away.

cold cooking is dangerous. heroinhelper.com has some good tips for a beginner. also might be a good idea to read the 'IDU safe injection manual' (google it). be safe. and for all those people who replied but didn't know what the fuck they were talking about, you're going to kill somebody some day with bad advise!!! use your head!

Thank you very much for your advice. I have read everything i could find about injecting, but when i tryed it I didn't get as big of a hit that i expected. Rather than just jumping up to a higher dose I wanted to make sure that was indeed what i needed to do, rather than maybe just needing to prepare it differently. So as far as it seems to me, I have been preparing everything as I should, just reluctant to try too much at one time. Next time ill try a lil more and see what happens. Thanks again everyone, you are all really a lot of help.

[candy]

Evolbeaver, Superman,
For most of us who have been using for quite some time, we have come up with various methods of cooking up our gear. Whatever works for you!
I think the most important issue when using this type of drug and when injecting, is safety. Whether it be the amount your using or how your preparing your injection, being safe is the way to go.
Being clean in your enviornment is going to be your best bet and I have posted on this before. Certainly, for most of us, having a sterile invironment is just not going to happen.
Keeping your equipment clean, not sharing needles or any of your equipment, cooking your H, etc. is really going to help when it comes to prevention of infection. Something as simple as using clean water for every injection is going to help prevent a problem. Unfortunately, no matter how meticulous you are, problems can come about. Even just washing your hands before preparing an injection can prevent infection.
How dark or light your shot is will vary. It has for me and I did it the same each time. Certainly the more water you use, the lighter the solution. I would venture to say that goes for the consistency of the solution as well. As I said, we all may do it a bit different and if it works for you, continue.

That is the great thing about this site and the forums; We can all post our ideas, suggestions, and experience and share it with others.
As I said, if it works for you, without any complications, then go for it. As long as your playing it safe.
In saying that....We all know were taking a bit of a chance here. Regardless of how safe you are or what method or mode, there is always a chance that something can go wrong.

If it doesn't feel right, don't do it. You know what they say,"Better safe than sorry!"

[Dee]

Shaunclo is right. Everyone's tolerance is different. ALSO every BAG is different. You never know exactly how much your getting, so take it light (you can always re-hit).
To avoid this problem I'm trying to IV pedicatable dosage by experimenting with oxy's.
Forgive me if anyone's heard this Q before; but I never did see an answer posted ecxept for Billi.
Q= Oxys do NOT dissolve in H20 (even with citric acid to emulsify).
Is it safe to shoot oxy & water (gritty, granular mixture), or should all IV's be 100% liquid?
Thanks, Bon Voyage heads!:)

[candy]

Hey Dee,
Injection of pills can be dangerous.
The fillers and binders in the pills, which helps to give it form, do not completely disolve.
When injected, they can lodge in the tiny capillaries in the lungs leading to respiratory problems. Over time for a chronic user, this can lead to scarring and inflammation of lung tissue and eventually death. Those particles can also lead to pulmonary emboli, which is a life threatening event. A pulmonary emboli is when an artery in the lung is blocked. Most often this happens due to clots or fat and air. Which is what people may be referring to when discussing injecting air. But anything small enough to pass through the circulatory system can cause this event.

Best to inject a clear solution. Meaning one clear of particles. Although most often, medical personal would not recommend injection of a cloudy solution, we as injectors may not always get away from that.

One of the other, minor problems that may arise could be clogging up your needle. While this is not life-threatening, it could lead to a great deal of frustration. I myself have never really injected pills. I am not patient enough to do all the extracting of other substances and was always concerned with the injection of other substances that may not disolve.

Pills are just not meant to be injected. Maybe some one else has some suggestions that may be helpful regarding getting the pills to a form where it can be used safely.

Otherwise, my advice is to just swallow them.

[devilsdrug]

one of my friends died from shootin ritalin i believe not really sure but if you didnt disslove it enough or filter it good enough a crystalcould get through and slice a heart valve that was the street word back then about 82, the only pill i know that ive had were what we called morphine shakers you put them in the outfit , put plunger back in then drew up some water and shook the hell out it , presto , i think it was some type military emergency pain med. they were pretty cool came in this little glass vial with a cork and a liquor type seal