A little review on Endo generic OCs

[Mark]

I got a chance to do some Endo generics yesterday and was quite pleasantly suprised. I've heard people saying all kinds of shit about them gelling up when snorted or not being able to make them IR. Well, from everything I saw and felt, these are every bit as good as the real deal, just wipe the gel coating off with a moist napkin, just like regular OCs, and the inside is just packed white powder. Just wanted to offer my 2 cents and clear up any misconceptions everyone may have. I got pretty jammed for a few hours of snorting about 50mg (1 and 1/4 pill).

[gnat]

I just got a script for oc40s and I'm wondering about these endos. The outside coating comes off in like one wipe. Whats teh deal with taht? I couldn't imagine that ever working as something that actually makes it extended release. I'm wondering if the ER portion of these is simply built into the binders/actual pill. You say gel but I didnt' see that when I wiped it, so what is it everyone is talking about? I'll have to do some more reading about this pill before it gets tooted.

[paesan]

I got a whole ASSLOAD of these things and a lot of people snorted em...no pain just a lot of binders so it's a lot to snort. I gotta eat too damn many of those fucking things to snort em so I just chew em up...they worked just as well as the name brands (which isn't all that well).

[gnat]

But aren't these the same ones everyone complains about? They say they gel up in your nose and if you try to iv them. I won't be iv'n them but I want to know if these are supposedly the ones with the silicone in them. How much is an assload? I think I qualify :)

[paesan]

The 40's I had were yellow, fat (for a 40), and they had a 3 digit number on one side that started with a 7 (I think)...I'm fairly certain these were the endos. All I know is quite a few people bought them, and snorted them and no one complained at all. My girl snorted 4 or 5 and said they were fine...no one said anything about them gelling up on them.

[shaunclo]

I had a couple of those bad bays a week ago, and I snorted and shot a couple of em. You CAN shoot them, you just cant shhot the whole pill at once. You need to chop very nicely, then shoot maybe 1/2 of one, then the other half. That worked fine for me. There will still be stuff left in the cooker, but I just lick that shizzznit right of the spoon.

[gnat]

Yeah they have E705 on them and 40 on the otherside. I told the doc my avinzas stopped me up way too much so he switched me to 3 x 40/day :) :) :)

[paesan]

Dats dem alright...no, no problems with gelling that I know of. You should be fine to snortem.

[duke_nemmerle]

The 80's I've been seeing are oval green and have some numbers on either side(don't have any to check) and damn do these things try to gel up when you get em wet. The first time I got one I went to suck the coating off like normal, then when I smashed it up to snort it was all trying to clump together and shite. Plus when you do snort them I guess they clump up in your shit and cause really weird sinuses for a while. Clearly, this is a mechanism to prevent mainlining them, but are these Endos?

[paesan]

Don't know...only endo OC's I've tried are the 40's. I did get some oval green (or greenish blue) generic 80's last februray (05') for my Birthday, I ate the first few & then snorted some later on that night and I don't remember them burning or gelling up at all...however I was all fucking done from blowin gaggers and drinkin like I had a death with (it was my birthday)so even if it burned, gelled up, or was on fire I probably wouldn't have noticed.

[jwalm]

im contemplating insufflating a 40mg right now..............

http://www.endo.com/generics/oxycodone_labels.html
......im weary of the gelling action that people have been speaking of.

[paesan]

Dooo it...gahead...ya know you want to...just do it.

[Mark]

Trust me jwalm, the 40s do not gel up regardless of what anyone says. Do a quarter pill as a tester if you dont wanna take my word for it, but trust me, it is just plain ol' binder powder, no gel. Like Paesan said, dive in, they're awesome :)

[steelheadwayne]

The OCs i get say 40 on one side and cdn on the other. There of course mellow yellow and are fine to snort or wack man. Im canadian so maybe there a bit different here with the "cdn" on the one side. Anyone have a clue man.
............PEACE..........................Wayne.. .......................<{{{><....................

[paesan]

Never seen em here in the States so they may be a Canadian generic. Hey as long as they work who gives a fuck right???

[exitwound]

Never seen em here in the States so they may be a Canadian generic. Hey as long as they work who gives a fuck right???

Endo is definitely available in the USA....their brands of hydro, IR oxy, oxycontin, and mscontin are all well known. I take their mscontin, and am fairly happy.

[gnat]

There is just way too much powder for an endo 40 if you ask me. Have they changed the name brand pills so that they can't be peeled or crushed like they used to be? I can get the name brand for only a little more money so would it be worth it? If it's half the powder I would think so, but I want to make sure you can still break the CR on them.

[Dee]

Glad to hear about the positive experiences w/ generic Endo OCs.
My experience SUCKED. Snorting was ineffectice & they DID burn.
According to my research, one ingredient (that becomes effective only when the pill is hacked oped) is the stuff used as the buzz killer in methadone.
My wife got a generic NOT made by Endo & that brand was fine.

[Mokelly]

what about the "abg's" guys? any comments? I've had them plenty of times and they're perfect. The 40's Anyway.

[paesan]

Endo is definitely available in the USA....their brands of hydro, IR oxy, oxycontin, and mscontin are all well known. I take their mscontin, and am fairly happy.

Dude I know I wasn't talking about endo, I was talking about the ones Steel Head says he gets...I've never seen those. I got a whole bunch of the endo 40's...I said that earlier in the thread.

I've taken a lot of different endo brand stuff before, probably their replacements for percs is the one I ate the most. What is it called, endocets???

[exitwound]

Dude I know I wasn't talking about endo, I was talking about the ones Steel Head says he gets...I've never seen those. I got a whole bunch of the endo 40's...I said that earlier in the thread.

I've taken a lot of different endo brand stuff before, probably their replacements for percs is the one I ate the most. What is it called, endocets???

Yup....them's the ones. Sorry Paesan, didn't mean to stick my dumb ass into the middle of the conversation and screw things up by mis-understanding.....just wanted to get more involved :cool:

[gnat]

Yeah endocets have always worked very well for me.. and these work well too, even broken open or tooted. There is just too much powder. The burn is minimal compared to many other things.

So are the name brand oc's still the same as they used to be, with the cover that comes off easily? It doesn't cost much more for me to fill with name brands so, I might try it next time.

[sonic]

Glad to hear about the positive experiences w/ generic Endo OCs.
My experience SUCKED. Snorting was ineffectice & they DID burn.
According to my research, one ingredient (that becomes effective only when the pill is hacked oped) is the stuff used as the buzz killer in methadone.
My wife got a generic NOT made by Endo & that brand was fine.

What research? There is no such chemical (antagonist) in the Endo OCs, sounds like you heard a myth.

[always looking]

I fuckin hate the endo's, an old friend used to get name brand, but they have switched him to endo's, and life just hasn't been the same. The gel clumps up so much in your throat it takes an act of God to get it out.

[exitwound]

I fuckin hate the endo's, an old friend used to get name brand, but they have switched him to endo's, and life just hasn't been the same. The gel clumps up so much in your throat it takes an act of God to get it out.


Yeah, Endo's gel system makes abuse all but impossible it seems. I don't mind it too much in my Endo mscontin, since I'm taking them for chronic pain I *want* the time release to operate properly. I don't handle morphine well, sadly, so I need to keep my dosages low and consistent.

I would be much happier on oxycodone and/or oxycontin but I don't think that's in the cards (read my junkylife blog)....

[ZodiacKiller]

I've only had the Endos once, and they did seem to gel up a bit when snorted, but I got a high comparable to "normal" 40s. I've had most of the other generics, including Tevas, which a lot of people say are the worst, and never had any problem whatsoever.

I also just wanna say that it seems that a lot of folks are still under the misconception that the time release is in the coating. This is not true. The coating has nothing to do with defeating the time release, it's just nasty to snort. You must crush the pill to defeat the time release. I know a lot of you will read this and go "duh", but it seems like every time I read a post about OxyContin, someone says "I sucked the coating off to defeat the time release", so I thought it needed to be said again. Thank you and have a nice day.

ZodiacKiller

[hero 1]

try asking for the watson generics they are the same as the name brand only cheeper:)

[ssjTiamat]

what about the "abg's" guys? any comments? I've had them plenty of times and they're perfect. The 40's Anyway.

The "abg"'s are manufactured by a company called "TEVA" and in my opinion they are better then endos. I have had both for extended periods as well as brand. And they go like this, Brand Name, then Teva, then Endo. The endos do not last as long and yes, the coating is a cheap version of the real thing. I always try to get the Teva brand when filling my script. Only problem is they are more expensive then the endos (for the pharmacies) so they do not like to give them out at all unless you are paying cash which is ridiculous considering the cost.

Also.. Purdue Pharma, the original maker of Oxy is also producing a generic. They are doing this to avoid being kept out of the market they created. Not to mention to help save themselves from losing too much market share. Only problem is these are soo hard to find. I dont know if it is because of their price or something else. But from what I understand they are as close as you will get to Brand with a generic. And yes, there is a difference. Anyone who tells you a generic narcotic is 100% just as good as the non-generic does not know the drug. I have been on oxy for 3 years. From 10 mg's all the way to 80's and there is a deffinite difference in the generics of all strengths.

ssj out!

[ZodiacKiller]

^ Are you sure about this? I've always been under the impression that the "abg" generics ARE the ones manufactured by Purdue. I know I've read this in a number of posts and articles, however it's late and I don't currently have the wherewithall to dig up the actual sources. So I may be wrong, but I'm just relating what I thought was fact...I'll try to back up my views in the morning when the keyboard ain't all blurry:p .

Also, I've had Teva 80s, and they are the unique looking ones in the bunch: green football shaped with "33" imprinted on one side and "93" on the other.

Let's hear what everybody else has to say, c'mon lets discuss.

ZodiacKiller

[ssjTiamat]

Hey zodiac..

thanks for the backup in the other trhead. :)

You know.. you may be right. However.. I know for a fact that the "abg's" are the TEVA brand as I had that specific type about 2 months ago for my script. I got lucky and the pharmacist musta been a rookie or didn't understand the higher price on those because normally when I ask for them I am shot down simply because they cost the pharmacy more and I am stuck with endos at that point. But I got TEVA and they were scored "abg". Also I am almost 100% positive that TEVA is a whole sperate entity from Purdue. Whereas the Purdue "generic" will carry another manufacturers name on the bottle but it is just a subsiderary of Purdue.

But same goes for me, I could be wrong as well. So if you are able to dig up that info, by all means share what you can find. The more correct info we can all share, the better off we are in the long run. These pharmacies (and pharmacists for that matter - assholes, but alas.. that is for another thread) screw us enuf the way it is, we deserve any advantage we can scrounge up!

[ZodiacKiller]

OK, it's 3:00 am and I am tired and still quite high, but I do this out of love for you all. You are my faceless extended family, my opiated brethren, my misunderstood and often misguided kindred souls. I'll just get down off my soapbox now, mmmkay.........

Here are as many pics as I could find of OxyContin and its generic counterparts:

Purdue Pharmaceutical:
232

ENDO generic:
223

IVAX generic:
224
225
226
227

TEVA generic:
228
229
230
231

I think that's the basics. Of course, there's always Oxy IR or whatever they're called (I've never had those) and OxyFast (never had that, either). Any others I may have missed?

I had the opportunity to try a few of the now banned OxyContin 160mg. That was several years ago, and we broke it into 4 pieces each time. Now I'd chew that fucker up whole by myself. Eh, tolerance, what can ya do?

BTW, anyone ever get to try the mythical Palladone? I wanna hear about it.

ZodiacKiller


EDIT: oooops! Sorry, I didn't realize that I don't have pics of the US Purdue Oxys. Duh! Oh, well, we all know what they look like, anyway....

[Opiyum]

Theres one I just had two days ago. Dealers house dark so couldnt read the lettering but it was a dark purple color and shaped more like a miniature toilet paper carboard tubefiar. real smooth going down. Plus i've hsd ones that ere ?octagonal? and ye llow

[ssjTiamat]

Thanks Zad!

Thats where I was lost.. the abg's are not Teva's but they are Ivax! And yes.. IVAX IS the Purdue generic! So yea,..,you were right all along. Kudos!

Thanks for the extra work.

[ZodiacKiller]

Thanks Zad!

Thats where I was lost.. the abg's are not Teva's but they are Ivax! And yes.. IVAX IS the Purdue generic! So yea,..,you were right all along. Kudos!

Thanks for the extra work.

's my pleasure, m'man....we're all all in this shit together, no?

ZK

[jwalm]

Glad to hear about the positive experiences w/ generic Endo OCs.
My experience SUCKED. Snorting was ineffectice & they DID burn.
According to my research, one ingredient (that becomes effective only when the pill is hacked oped) is the stuff used as the buzz killer in methadone.
My wife got a generic NOT made by Endo & that brand was fine.


buzz killer in methadone?

like an antagonist opiod?

i know of no such thing in any methadone drug nor i have i heard of any extended release oxycodone drug containing opiod antagonist:rolleyes:

yalls have any info on this:D

[ssjTiamat]

I had the opportunity to try a few of the now banned OxyContin 160mg. That was several years ago, and we broke it into 4 pieces each time.
..

...the 160mg's were banned? Really? Shit.. never heard about that one. And to think.. I was considering going up to those in a year or so. Tolerance sucks big time!

But whats up with the 160 being banned? Did they say because of abuse potential.. because hell, they all have abuse potential! Any extra info you can think of as to why?

Thanks in advance.

And yes... we ARE in this together! ! The info gathered on these forums has saved a bunch of us plenty of time, money and even health!

ssj

[ZodiacKiller]

...the 160mg's were banned? Really? Shit.. never heard about that one. And to think.. I was considering going up to those in a year or so. Tolerance sucks big time!

But whats up with the 160 being banned? Did they say because of abuse potential.. because hell, they all have abuse potential! Any extra info you can think of as to why?

Thanks in advance.

And yes... we ARE in this together! ! The info gathered on these forums has saved a bunch of us plenty of time, money and even health!

ssj

I believe they were pulled from the market as a result of pressure from the DEA (who else, right?). I don't have actual documentation to back this up; it's just what I've read on other forums and heard elsewhere. I've only had them once, a few years ago. Ahh, back in the days when we didn't have monkeys screaming on our backs and could get high several times on one of those......

Now I'd gobble one of those bad-boys up myself and still prolly want more :mad:

I wish I'd have been able to try Palladone for the brief time it was available.

[hero 1]

i know the watsons seem fine they break down just fine but they have talk in them i had a bottle of those football shaped ones and they suck

[shaunclo]

...the 160mg's were banned? Really? Shit.. never heard about that one. And to think.. I was considering going up to those in a year or so. Tolerance sucks big time!

But whats up with the 160 being banned? Did they say because of abuse potential.. because hell, they all have abuse potential! Any extra info you can think of as to why?

Thanks in advance.

And yes... we ARE in this together! ! The info gathered on these forums has saved a bunch of us plenty of time, money and even health!

ssj

I beleiev they were banned due to some kid banging a 180mg oxy and died. People underestimate the strength of those fuckers. They think, "hey I have never tried this before, but I can handle it."

[exitwound]

My mscontin 60's are roughly equivalent (except for the fact that they make me vomit at the doses I really need, whereas oxy probably wouldn't) to OC40's....being put on OC80's would be damn nice, but OC160's or 180's.....holy hell.

Keep on dreaming :(

[ssjTiamat]

Yea.. tell me about it. I was on OC80's for about 4 months then I decided to try and tell my Dr that I wanted him to start weening me off. It IS actually the smartest thing to do in the long run. But right now I wish I never told him that. My appointment is tomorrow for my monthly refill and I am scheduled to go down to 20mg's starting tomorrow. But I think I am going to tell him I am not ready to ween off. It is extremely hard to go down to 40's from the 80's I was on a few months back. Maybe I am just a weekling.. but it is too hard. Esp. with all that I have going on in my life right now. And then there is the pain. Alas... but that is a story for another forum.

Yes.. the 80's were nice. I am considering getting off extended release and moving to an immediate release as well. Because I dont care what anyone tells you, the oxy's DO NOT last 12 hours. I'm lucky to get 6 at most.

[exitwound]

Yeah, I find that my mscontin last 7-9 hours at best.

[Curio]

Yeah, I find that my mscontin last 7-9 hours at best.
do those mscontin have something that prevents injecting them???

cause half the prob with the ms contin is that taken orally you lose half the mg. of the dosage

[exitwound]

I wouldn't inject anyway because my chronic inflammation causes bad reactions to needles (not to mention I can't risk putting pills in my veins, I can't afford more health problems and my wife/baby need me), but yes....the Endo brand mscontin I get have that "gel" formulation that prevents them from dissolving in water. Only digestive acids do the job.

[SirDonkeyPunch]

i got a teva 80 and its a pain in the ass to cook up. I use vinegar and a fuck ton of water to try and dillute. Anyone else got any secret method they arent sharing :P

[caesee]

I recently got the Endo 10mg oxys and the Endo 40mg oxys. Both are really hard and seem to be unbreakable if you are trying to break them in half. The 40's DO NOT gel when you chew them, and they are exactly like the brand name ones when chewed..i dont snort or shoot so as for that i cant say, but I have heard that they burn like hell when snorted, but dont gel. I am very impressed with the Endos 40s and Endo is now the only generic that I will fill oxy scripts with....just my $0.000001 cents..:D :D

[L0VE]

I got a chance to do some Endo generics yesterday and was quite pleasantly suprised. I've heard people saying all kinds of shit about them gelling up when snorted or not being able to make them IR. Well, from everything I saw and felt, these are every bit as good as the real deal, just wipe the gel coating off with a moist napkin, just like regular OCs, and the inside is just packed white powder. Just wanted to offer my 2 cents and clear up any misconceptions everyone may have. I got pretty jammed for a few hours of snorting about 50mg (1 and 1/4 pill).

I was one of them (saying shit on these) UNTIL I got my hands on an 80. Wow, really good high. I've heard people even saying these felt stronger?!

[L0VE]

i got a teva 80 and its a pain in the ass to cook up. I use vinegar and a fuck ton of water to try and dillute. Anyone else got any secret method they arent sharing :P

Yuck, get rid of that teva, they suck and are impossilbe for people who snort unless you want a migraine and want to be angry all day :) .

[BigWaves]

comaTOES; do those mscontin have something that prevents injecting them???

cause half the prob with the ms contin is that taken orally you lose half the mg. of the dosage


Yes they sure do. Nowadays every pill under the sun seems to have an abuse deterrent agent of some sort. Even drugs that any semi-educated junkie would NEVER consider putting into a vein. Familiarize yourself with the names of these many buffers and fillers. They all have their own ways to get around. Micro-crystalline methylcellulose and other types of voodoo are like "shit on a blanket" these days. Everywhere you look. Some brands are better than others. Regarding morphine sulfate extended release tablets or "Contin" forms; there's at least a half dozen companies that are making this product now when all we had before was PF brand and Oramorph SR. BOTH notoriously loaded with crap, but the original contins could be extracted for injection with time practice and patience.

New companies to watch out for are "Mallies" [Mallinckrodt™] considered generic ms contin, which probably cooks down better than ANY MS-C product I've ever tried. I just got a scrip of Endo™ brand and OMG THEY are the FUCKING PITS. You can't even chew them to make even the slightest difference in your response curve. Although oddly, it says on the label "do not crush etc take WHOLE". Those crafty little shitters have finally found a way to make the time release matrix undefeatable.

And you're close but actually I think the bioavailability conversion for oral-to-IV morphine is more like 10-30%; meaning a 100mg MS Contin™ or other oral or immediate/"normal-release" form not[/U] matter. Oral is oral.] is roughly equivalent to 10mg of "proper" made-for-IV [parenteral] morphine.

exitwound; Yeah, I find that my mscontin last 7-9 hours at best.

Yup about same here when I take them whole as instructed (but who the fuck around here actually follows doctors orders??!!?? lol:D

My contins will last from about the same, more like 6-12 hours [I'm a chronic pain patient] I can go 24 hours [I]easily before I start getting the hints of pending withdrawals. Nausea is the first thing I notice, and that tends to give way to some emotional duress...agitation and a general "intolerance of life"...many of you know what I mean by that I'm sure. Some of the emotional w/d symptoms are worse than the physical. Depends on when your last dose was, but so much of it can be psycho-somatic. If you're clever and your will is STRONG you can find so many ways to "trick" your body out of getting withdrawl'ly. But only for so long.

Kadian™, now THAT's a darn good contin-action MS drug. The time-release merch of the pellets is so good that it can be given once every 24 hours. (and they can even be cooked for IV VERY well with a simple cold water extraction. Avinza™ is another option similar to Kadian (pellet filled capsules that can also be tampered with) but I haven't tried them.

Good luck and BE CAREFUL!

Dave

[edarrin]

The OCs i get say 40 on one side and cdn on the other. There of course mellow yellow and are fine to snort or wack man. Im canadian so maybe there a bit different here with the "cdn" on the one side. Anyone have a clue man.
............PEACE..........................Wayne.. .......................<{{{><....................


A fellow Canadian. Were In Ont.? As was cleared up the CDN stands for Canadian. So far I've never seen generic OC's in Canada. I think that was added because of pressure by the DEA on Purdue so when they make busts they can tell if they came from here. You know those Americans, blaming us for corrupting their youth LOL. Sending all that evil marijuanna down there in exchange for cocaine and guns (who is getting corrupted?).Probably for the best, although I'm sure they'll arrive soon enough. Is that you in the avatar? Nice fish.

BTW I'm in TO.

[suffocate]

I also have never seen any generic oxy's in Canada, brand name only. That isn't to say that don't exist here, but personally I have never come across them (and I have come across and plethora of pharmaceuticals).

[copelandia]

I heard word that Endo's right to make generic OC was ending as of 12/2006. Something about
a purdue patent on generics, which endo somehow broke. Anyone else heard about this?

[PRIZEFIGHTERINFERNO]

The "abg"'s are manufactured by a company called "TEVA" and in my opinion they are better then endos. I have had both for extended periods as well as brand. And they go like this, Brand Name, then Teva, then Endo. The endos do not last as long and yes, the coating is a cheap version of the real thing. I always try to get the Teva brand when filling my script. Only problem is they are more expensive then the endos (for the pharmacies) so they do not like to give them out at all unless you are paying cash which is ridiculous considering the cost.

Also.. Purdue Pharma, the original maker of Oxy is also producing a generic. They are doing this to avoid being kept out of the market they created. Not to mention to help save themselves from losing too much market share. Only problem is these are soo hard to find. I dont know if it is because of their price or something else. But from what I understand they are as close as you will get to Brand with a generic. And yes, there is a difference. Anyone who tells you a generic narcotic is 100% just as good as the non-generic does not know the drug. I have been on oxy for 3 years. From 10 mg's all the way to 80's and there is a deffinite difference in the generics of all strengths.

ssj out!


i know this is old........but i came across it and i believe it to be missinformation so i thought i would add my 2 cents.

The ABG's are not Teva........now in a few more posts i know that dudes opinion is changed to saying they are IVAX. Which is incorrect. Teva actually aquired ivax though.

The ABG's are WATSON. And they are in my opinion just as good as the BRAND.

If im wrong and anyone cares to correct me go for it.

peace sorry to bump an old thread. but i did it anyway.

[exitwound]

In fact the ABG/Watsons are actually identical to the Purdue brand tablets. Purdue sells them via ABG to get their chunk of the generic market; they don't actually change the tablets at all, just the stamp on the coating.

[AWOL]

Just the thread my buddy swim was lookin for, what luck. He sent me this pic.

(camera phone, bleh)

[160mgsAday]

the endo 40s do not gell up at all. they just have more powder. The ones that gell up are the footballs,(green,oval, 80s that say 93 on each side) they are made by a company called teva. they are garabage. the rest are good. tevas just burn a bit.

160mgs
peace

[AWOL]

Swim said his Endos DO NOT gel up. Atleast the 40's. So I'm really not sure why everyone keeps saying that they do?

[korky8097]

Hello, first post.
Swim has had much experience with the 10mg endo's and a little with the 40's. With the 10's the problem he has consistantly had is that he would put a full cc of water (has tried saline with similar results) on a completely crushed pill and when drawn up through the cotton, not only would the solution in his works be white to the point where he couldnt see through the barrel but would also only be able to draw up 75-80% of what liquid he originally put in there (has tried a cold shot and heated). He has never had vein problems or anything from this though. Perhaps swim doesnt heat it enough. He doesnt feel these should be cooked up for too long, although even when heated alot his luck was similar.

Just swims experience with these little buggers, any suggestions?

[Curio]

not only would the solution in his works be white to the point where he couldnt see through the barrel but would also only be able to draw up 75-80% of what liquid he originally put in there

pls clarify:
you mean the liquid is gone yet not inside your barrel, or the needle is plugged up?

[korky8097]

Sorry for not being clear, that post was a little confuzing. What i mean is, it seems the binders or something in the pills would either absorb the water much like a sponge and it is just somewhat dificult to draw up all the fluid without still leaving the mush in the spoon too moist. Swim would use multiple points at times to ensure the needle was not clogged. Still he would only be able to pull out about 70 units or so from the original 1cc if lucky. He thought perhaps the heat evaporated the liquid, and chances are some fluid did evaporate, but the material in the spoon remained fairly moist, to the point where he questioned if some water remained trapped in the mush, more so than usual at least.

This wasnt much of a problem for swim, he would just do his business, then add more water and repeat. IV with these is possible in swims eyes, but not near as simple as with a good ol dilaudid. Hope this clairifys.

[gnat]

I can't believe this thread is still around. Its an oldie! :eek:

[covv799ss]

Fuck these things!! SWIM's tried every conceivable method of ingesting them, rectums and needles aside. Soaked in water overnight, chewed and eaten, crushed and parachuted, snorted.

The stuff they put in them to make your nose burn also makes your stomach upset; SWIM's puked a lot from these things and he rarely pukes from opiates.

SWIM would have to say that even the Tevas are better than these things. At least with those you can put em on the saucepan for an hour and have something that will give you a great buzz. A slight hassle, but well worth the wait-- at least you end up with good product. SWIM hasn't gotten SHIT from these, except for a shitty 30-minute buzz from snorting em. It was probably just an endorphin rush from the all the sinus pain, heh...

SWIM's pretty fed up with these things but tomorrow he's getting a good deal on some 90mg morphine pills. I presume they're Avinza.

[roxi*stardust]

The "abg"'s are manufactured by a company called "TEVA" and in my opinion they are better then endos. I have had both for extended periods as well as brand. And they go like this, Brand Name, then Teva, then Endo. The endos do not last as long and yes, the coating is a cheap version of the real thing. I always try to get the Teva brand when filling my script. Only problem is they are more expensive then the endos (for the pharmacies) so they do not like to give them out at all unless you are paying cash which is ridiculous considering the cost.

Also.. Purdue Pharma, the original maker of Oxy is also producing a generic. They are doing this to avoid being kept out of the market they created. Not to mention to help save themselves from losing too much market share. Only problem is these are soo hard to find. I dont know if it is because of their price or something else. But from what I understand they are as close as you will get to Brand with a generic. And yes, there is a difference. Anyone who tells you a generic narcotic is 100% just as good as the non-generic does not know the drug. I have been on oxy for 3 years. From 10 mg's all the way to 80's and there is a deffinite difference in the generics of all strengths.

ssj out!

Hey zodiac..

thanks for the backup in the other trhead. :)

You know.. you may be right. However.. I know for a fact that the "abg's" are the TEVA brand as I had that specific type about 2 months ago for my script. I got lucky and the pharmacist musta been a rookie or didn't understand the higher price on those because normally when I ask for them I am shot down simply because they cost the pharmacy more and I am stuck with endos at that point. But I got TEVA and they were scored "abg". Also I am almost 100% positive that TEVA is a whole sperate entity from Purdue. Whereas the Purdue "generic" will carry another manufacturers name on the bottle but it is just a subsiderary of Purdue.

But same goes for me, I could be wrong as well. So if you are able to dig up that info, by all means share what you can find. The more correct info we can all share, the better off we are in the long run. These pharmacies (and pharmacists for that matter - assholes, but alas.. that is for another thread) screw us enuf the way it is, we deserve any advantage we can scrounge up!

Thanks Zad!

Thats where I was lost.. the abg's are not Teva's but they are Ivax! And yes.. IVAX IS the Purdue generic! So yea,..,you were right all along. Kudos!

Thanks for the extra work.


I know this is an old thread but there is a bit of misinformation here that needs to be accurate for people looking for correct info not someone guessing.

1. Teva brand generics are made by...you guessed it TEVA. Teva brand generics are going to be removed from the market in the very near future. They are not an authorized geneirc for Purdue. The TEVA brand generic do gel up are are considered to be the most undesireable to those who snort them. This is what the 80mg looks like. http://www.pharmer.org/node/679

2. IVAX is not Purdue's authorized generic either. They are made by IMPAX labs and will by pulled from the market in the very near future. This is the brand of generic that are weird colored. The 40's are purple, the 80' are brownish. The IVAX or IMPAX brand generics also gel up but not as bad as TEVA. Here is what the IMPAX 80mg looks like. http://www.pharmer.org/node/3399

3. Endo brand are made by ENDO Labs. They are not an authorized generic for Purdue. They will be pulled from the market in the near future. Endo's gel up but very little, they will burn the fuck out of your nose though if you snort them. Here is what an ENDO 80mg looks like. http://www.pharmer.org/node/4159

4. ABG is made by WATSON Pharmacueticals for PURDUE. This makes it the only AUTHORIZED generic of OxyContin. These are by far the best generic OxyContin product out there. They do not gel or burn, in fact they are indentical to the name brand besides the tablet imprint. They should be the only generic available after June. Here is the ABG or WATSON generic 80mg. http://www.pharmer.org/node/5011

5. Purdue make the name brand OxyContin. Here is the 80mg name brand tablet. http://www.pharmer.org/node/2543


Sorry for bringing back such an old thread but ZK's post was absolutely correct and people continued to insist he was wrong. Alot of people scroll threw these threads for information that is accurate. So I am setting the record straight.

[blenderqueen]

4. ABG is made by WATSON Pharmacueticals for PURDUE. This makes it the only AUTHORIZED generic of OxyContin. These are by far the best generic OxyContin product out there. They do not gel or burn, in fact they are indentical to the name brand besides the tablet imprint. They should be the only generic available after June. Here is the ABG or WATSON generic 80mg. http://www.pharmer.org/node/5011

thanks for clearing that up! I was starting to wonder if I was losing my mind reading that theABGs are made by TEVA LOL as when I get the ABG generics (20mg) my bottle always says Watson labs is the mfg.

I have gotten the IMPAX from different pharm & don't find them as effective even taken good ol swallowed whole way. either way I think it's a big fat lie that any of them last 12hrs!!!! of course I have yet to try brand as they never have them in stock & will take like 5 days to order but that is my goal to see if I notice a difference. I have heard brand is better regardless of how you "ingest" it!

BQ