jugular shot

[SHELLEY]

i'm out of veins
how do you do a jugular shot?
obviously you can't tie off
...or can you?
see, i have no fucking idea
if someone could enlighten me
that would be just super

please, i don't want to hear anyone telling me
"don't do it! it's bad!"
i've already been shooting h and coke for years
it's just a matter of location
so if you're just gonna tell me a horror story
about missing the jug and winding up with a huge neck goiter
i don't wanna fucking hear it

i've heard you can shoot on your tits
but i'm a hooker
and don't wanna damage the merch

[ProdigalSon]

Man O' fucking alive for a lady you got some balls. Cold day in hell would come sooner than the day I have the courage to fucking do that.

And yeah, dont damage the "merch"

What about behind your knees, just like your elbow joint? Hard to get to but know a dude thats the only thing he has left. Someone told me to hold your breath and use the palms of your hands or feet as a last resort. I didnt really buy too much of that bullshit but it may be true, I just dunno

Good luck

[chopstix]

Whether or not you want to hear/read it I'm gonna say: it is an exceptionally dangerous place because of the proximity to your brain and also your heart. Abcesses are a lot more dangerous there and you increase the risk of endocarditis (infection of the heart lining) because you're so close to your heart. So I said it, deal with it.

That said, I've used my jug for years now, but I'm blessed with an exceptionally large, umm... vein, jugular vein, ya thats it. sorry, got off track for a minute.. :) Mine is truly really big but it is starting to shrink a bit from dull points..

If it's big and stands out when you hold your breath you'll PROBABLY be ok if your shit is clean and you don't miss. I would definitely NOT use it for coke, yur just asking for trouble. If it's not very big Shelley you should consider something else. If you did a little research on anatomy and on your own body, I bet you can find something that's a little deeper. Back of your arms? Wrists? Feet/ankles? I know someone who fixed on the inside of his bicep, the vein wasn't visible but it was easy to hit and he used it for a long time, you have a lot of big veins that are just a little deeper than the ones you can see. Also you can always sniff it and word on the 'phile is that H works pretty good up the bum..

If you start using that vein, you'd better not miss. And if you have the faintest hint of an abcess in your neck, hotpack it and go get some help asap.

[AZJunkie]

Now thats fucking hardcore!!!!

I used to run with a gal back in the day who thought it easier to "hide her work" beneath her tresses than risk someone recognizing what all the damage on her arms was from. Its a brutal scene to bear witness to....and even more butt-puckering when she'd go out with a set hanging out of her neck.

Do what you gotta do, but like Chopstix said......be clean and careful. Being on the streets, it might be a good idea to get yourself a little bottle of that hand sanitizer stuff....it's better than nothing.

[southernbelle]

Well, I'll say it. Hon, you're not going to be with us much longer, are you? Please be as careful as you can be...

[NastyZilla]

Well, I'll say it. Hon, you're not going to be with us much longer, are you? Please be as careful as you can be...


Damn straight. Shit, everytime I read a post by Shelley, I fucking hug myself.

Shelley, didn't you join a methadone program or something recently? Not smacking you for failing out - I've fallen off the wagon plenty - but this is a faaaar cry from getting clean, or even sanity.

Not judging. Just worried.

[tui]

i found it a great vein to use. very big and strong. yes, tie off. or hold the skin taut around it so it doesn't roll. i always had someone else do me, because i found the angle awkward, and it's weird looking in the mirror to do it- everything's back to front. try lying down with your head hanging over the end of the bed to do it.
good luck

t

[blackdog]

be carefull be very very carefull
or else it will be a big pain in the neck?

[chopstix]

i found it a great vein to use. very big and strong. yes, tie off. or hold the skin taut around it so it doesn't roll. i always had someone else do me, because i found the angle awkward, and it's weird looking in the mirror to do it- everything's back to front. try lying down with your head hanging over the end of the bed to do it.
good luck

t

I figured out the mirror thing pretty quick, now it seems completely normal, maybe just cos I've been doing it for awhile. Helps alot to have someone to help, but they can't feel the beginning of a miss and probably aren't gonna be as careful. I used to help a friend fix in his neck, I started to miss once and the look on his face I won't ever forget, he looked like someone who just got stabbed in the back and he totally yelled in pain, apparently it can be pretty fucking painful to miss..

[underide]

According to certain doctors (who would never openly admit to it, just in case as to not give ideas) your jugular vein would be a safer place to inject than you femoral (groin) vein. I presume not by a wide margin.

I personally have never got as far as my jugular, just something very unnatural about sticking a few inches of sharp steel in your neck, but thats just me.
I certainly have heard of people doing it with great results.
But if i were you, I'd be a bit careful doing it without seeing how its done first.

I hope your hands are steady love

[Duckfeet]

I know u tried to do a preemptive strike, telling people *not* to warn you off, but if you post it, you gotta accept the feedback you get, and this is a very dangerous area to be fucking around. I've been around this crap a long time too, longer than most, and I had a doctor explain about twenty years ago how some girl, trying to hide trackmarks got some kind of horrible infection and bad fever from a miss up there. He told us never ever fix up there....We must warn against this terrible place of IVing, Shelley. Do your ankles, or someplace where u have a fighting chance if shit goes wrong...

You have to worry about thrombosis, and this:

"The jugular vein in the neck is the riskiest place to inject because it lies very close to the carotid artery, a major blood vessle that brings blood directly to the brain. Accidentally hitting the carotid artery could be fatal, and damaging the jugular vein in any way can interfere with blood circulation to the brain."

--Harm Reduction, Remember?

[Somanax]

First off you need a mirror

lacking a mirror you need

a friend with a steady hand

And Do not tie off simply

hold your breath and blow

hard without letting air

escape after a while you will

develop a scar and will no longer

need friend just a mirror cause you

can find the proper location

from scar at the injection site

hope this help's you out many a friend

has gone this route with no ill effect's

other than very noticeble scar tissue on the neck

[dirtdog]

almost did that
but i chickend out
cus i couldnt remember
left or right
up or down
so i said fuck it
i just held my breath and saw a nice vein the mirror
the people i used to buy from and all the people that hung out there all did jugular shots
i thought this was the norm
heh how little do i know :o
aaaaaanyways
good luck!
sorry this wasnt much help:rolleyes:

[Moonrock]

Having a rig buddy would be the safest way to do it.
I hire a nurse for a few bucks per shot.
No tie ups required, just like everyone else said, hold your breath and blow and the vein will just pop up on its own.
Also the link bellow might help u find some other safer locations.
As you'll see, the jugular vein is way too close to the carotid artery, like duckfeet said, which is fatal if u miss.
Good Luck and take extra care

http://www.innerbody.com/image/cardov.html

[pharmboy]

How about going for the subclaivin vein? Its about a half inch
below your collar bone. Might be safer than the jugular.

[Z-man]

Shelly, what about the femoral vein? I suspect the femoral is much safer than the jugular, at least that's what I've read on various harm reduction sites. I know that the femoral is usually pretty easy to hit, provided you know the procedure for finding it. Yeah, it's in the general vicinity of the groin area, but I doubt there's any real danger of damaging the "merchandise" there, to use your own very apt phrase. But the neck, no, don't do it, it's way too close to the brain, and any mistake there could genuinely be fatal. Surely there must be a less risky place to try first before going to the jugular.

Pharmboy, do you have any more information about getting off in the subclavian (sp?) vein? Like, where exactly it is and how you would identify it? Do you know of anyone who's actually used it to get off? I've never heard of this vein before, at least not in the context of using it as a potential injection site. If it's really a viable alternative, I'd kinda like to know, since I'm completely out of any other options, vein-wise. I apparently have no easily accessible femoral vein, and I categorically refuse to mess with my jugular... So the sad fact is that most of the time these days I end up using the IM route. It's reasonably effective, and it's safe enough if you know what you're doing (note: this statement may not hold for tar), but I still find myself craving that good old euphoric mainline rush...

[robojunkie]

Yeah Shelley I'd try the femoral vein, between the legs, just south of the real merch, though that could make that a prob too I suppose. If you do decide to go for the jug, I'd first look up one of those nice "to scale" diagrams of the circulatory system as a few have already said, and additionally, I would carefully sit down and feel for a pulse in my neck, thereby finding the carotid, and literally take a fucking marker and mark this shit off as the "danger" zone not to ever stick the point in. Seriously, at least that way you got a visual cue. Its one of the few areas where an artery is as close to the surface as a vein and the only one that should you hit (which is bad enough anyway, to hit an artery) would bring the entire hit to the brain, essentially multiplying the dose by probably 40 or 50 times as all the shit would go only to the head. Think about it, you hit in the arm vein, it goes to your heart, then lungs and back to heart and finally out in all directions to your body. Accidently hit the carotid it all goes to the brain, and massive overdose. And the fact that it would be a massive overdose is no reason to ever think of using that much less on purpose as if one did ever inject a tiny amount on purpose, it would only last a minute or two as it eventually makes it to return veins like any artery shot. And there is also of course the risk of bleeding out, tearing the arterial wall, and a number of other risks.

The jugular itself is really just another vein, but its the shit around it that can make it risky, like the carotid, voice box and a number of muscles. Just be careful with this one.

Oh, I could be wrong on this, maybe one of the nurses would know, but isn't the subclavian where they put in a central line? I wouldn't fuck around with this one.

[tui]

most people have very obvious jugular veins... i'm sure you've spotted yours before, it's quite hard to confuse it with anything dodgy, much easier than the femoral vein to find as you're not shooting blind. even my doc uses my jug when he needs to take blood. if you do decide to try the femoral, remember you need a diff sized pick end. the jug is really such a good strong vein though, i wish i'd discovered it long ago, before destroying my arms.

t

[underide]

But the neck, no, don't do it, it's way too close to the brain, and any mistake there could genuinely be fatal. Surely there must be a less risky place to try first before going to the jugular.

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This is completeliy irrelevant!
This has nothing to do with the proximity to the brain. Where do you think the molecules end up? If you inject into femoral it will still get into your brain just as fast.
And as far as i know there is actually a bigger risk of deep vein thrombosys or especially aneurysm from injecting into femoral.
(maybe s/one with a good medical backgroubd would care to elaborate on this one)

Plus, as tui pointed out your shooting blind into your femoral, hit the femoral artery (which is coiled around your femoral), and you could be truly fucked.
That is precisely why even the jugular seems to be safer than you femoral, and i'm not saying that it is completely safe, iv use is risky no matter where you slam into, unless you really know what you're doing.

[underide]

would bring the entire hit to the brain, essentially multiplying the dose by probably 40 or 50 times as all the shit would go only to the head. Think about it, you hit in the arm vein, it goes to your heart, then lungs and back to heart and finally out in all directions to your body. Accidently hit the carotid it all goes to the brain, and massive overdose. And the fact that it would be a massive overdose is no reason to ever think of using that much less on purpose as if one did ever inject a tiny amount on purpose, it would only last a minute or two as it eventually makes it to return veins like any artery shot. And there is also of course the risk of bleeding out, tearing the arterial wall, and a number of other risks.


To be fair to Z-man, this also seems to be largely irrelevant. Once you're inthe femoral, it will hit just as hard and with as mush power if you were to hit your jugular. there is no reason to think that just because youre going into your neck would deliver a larger dose. Even if it would, the difference would probably be so minute as to make it irrelevant.
You were right about the cartoid artery. but the same goes for the femoral artery, and you're truly in the dark if you decide to shoot into femoral without someone showing you how to first. Even more so than with the jugular - there at least you see where you're shooting.

Once again, if anyone with a medical background would like to chip in now, it would make more sense and be more credible than our posts here.

[phrozen]

This is completeliy irrelevant!
This has nothing to do with the proximity to the brain. Where do you think the molecules end up? If you inject into femoral it will still get into your brain just as fast.
And as far as i know there is actually a bigger risk of deep vein thrombosys or especially aneurysm from injecting into femoral.
(maybe s/one with a good medical backgroubd would care to elaborate on this one)

Plus, as tui pointed out your shooting blind into your femoral, hit the femoral artery (which is coiled around your femoral), and you could be truly fucked.
That is precisely why even the jugular seems to be safer than you femoral, and i'm not saying that it is completely safe, iv use is risky no matter where you slam into, unless you really know what you're doing.

What are you talking about?! It is relevant exactly for that reason. It drains blood from your brain! Thrombosis, phlebitis, infection, collapse, and missed shots are much more serious with this vein than with veins on your extremities.

It is close to the carotid artery, your femoral is close to the femoral artery, and your wrist veins are close to your ulnar and radial arteries... I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of the people that do hit arteries are shooting in one of those three places.

You have either been shooting for 15+ years(daily), or frankly, you have horrible technique, if you have run out of veins. Keep this in mind if you're going to hit your jugular. You ran out of veins for a reason...

Personally, I'd switch to snorting. Getting high isn't work the risk invovled with hittin' the jugular imo.

[underide]

It drains blood from your brain! Thrombosis, phlebitis, infection, collapse, and missed shots are much more serious with this vein than with veins on your extremities.

It is close to the carotid artery, your femoral is close to the femoral artery, and your wrist veins are close to your ulnar and radial arteries... I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of the people that do hit arteries are shooting in one of those three places.

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My side of the debate wasnt over the fact that it is very dangerous to hit any artery, getting infection, collapsed veins, etc.. I and many others already know that Bob!
Your listing of the arteries here just confuses me as to what point exactly are you trying to make?

Hitting femoral artery could be just as deadly as hitting the corotid artery. The point here is BOB, it is ALOT easier to hit the femoral artery than it is to hit the corotid artery, due to the fact that you cannot see the femoral vein (around which the femoral artery is coiled) when youre injecting blind.

Jugular vein on the other hand is very easy to see(compared to femoral vein), therefore the likelyhood of missing it and hitting the corotid artery is less than hitting your femoral artery.
Just onthe basis of that you can come to the conclusion that it is (somewhat at least) safer than injecting into your femoral. Use your common sense.
As for infection, It could easily affect any site of injection, with arguably equally grim outcomes: absesses, gangrenes, cellulitis, the list goes on. You just cannot say that the neck area is more prone to any of those than your extremeties.
You can just as easily get a blood clot dislodging into your brain from your femoral vein. Outcome just as deadly.

Again, I'm not sayng that it IS safer to shoot into your jugular, what i'm saying is that it most likely IS just as bad to inject into your extremeties.
And when it comes to hitting an artery, it is evidently,(for someone with little experience anyway) easier to hit your femoral artery while trying to hit your femoral vein than it is hitting your corotid, while trying to hit your jugular, simply due to the human anatomy.

And the presumption that you get a bigger dose (and end up OD'ing) from shooting into your jugular rather than anywhere else as was posted earlier - if that were true, every junkie on earth would be hitting their jugular. I know i would be.
That was what i meant by 'irrelevant'

Further more, i think that all this hysteria concerning shooting into jugular is mostly based on psychological grounds. Most people (including myself) just get the chills from thinking about sticking youself in the neck, hence giving the automatic response of disapproval.

[Duckfeet]

The real problem IMO with hitting the jugular, is the same problem one has with burglarizing drugstores, pulling robberies, or stealing out of Ma's purse: do it once, u'll do it twice; do it twice, u'll do it regularly, do it regularly, u eventually fuck up. Story of a junky's life...why prisons are full. Hell, I never listened to anything, *except* "avoid the jugular" by myself. Only people I saw hit it had no veins left, or were girls who didn't want their boyfriends to see the trackmarks on arms. So it's my favorite piece of advice to give ;-). Seems like all the hookers would hit in the femoral, down b'neath "the business." Harm reduction isn't usually our strong suit...which is why we've all got hepC. There were plenty of times I'da hit the jug if I'd had somebody else to do it...it's just too gnarley to hit by oneself, IMO...

[noahzark]

I used to have a buddy who would do it all the time. He would close his mouth and blow out puffing out his cheeks and then look in a mirror and poke himself in the neck. After his hit i coudl see a trickle of blood drip down his neck.
He died of an OD in a flop house hotel in Lawrence Ave in Chicago about 5 years ago.

Noahzark

[phrozen]

Dude said that hitting the jugular is more dangerous due to it's location. You said that was irrelevant.

That is wrong. Your jugular is a more important vein than the ones located on your extremities. You don't believe me, fine.

I never said it was a bigger risk to develop complications there, I said that the complications that may arise are more dangerous than if they were to develop on other veins(ie cephalic, basilic, median cubital etc). That is why it is more dangerous.

Also, nerves that monitor blood pressure are located in that area(jugular and carotid). Injecting there can cause an increase in blood pressure in that location and may cause your body to down regulate it, leading to a drop of oxygen in your brain and you dropping the fuck out. Just an added risk...

I listed the arteries because most artery hits occur in those locations, with the jugular being one of them.

It's no fluke that the jugular is conisdered one of the riskiest places to shoot...

[Duckfeet]

Yep. It's a dangerous spot to fix. Harm reduction people are the ones that tell us that. You can google around, see what you come up with. But on this one, I'm standing with Phrozen. Just want you all to take as few chances as you can. This isn't really a pissing contest, just an attempt to pass on info...people can, and will, do what they want. I've asked people to hit me there when I was desperate and couldn't find a vein. I'd still do it, since when I want to fix, I don't give a fuck. the people I was with just wouldn't do it, so I plugged away at the tried and true areas. I know what it's like not to have a vein. Again, problem with hitting the jug, is that if u get it a few times, when u want to fix, and yer in a bind, you'll *keep* hitting there, time and time again. We've all known plenty of people that got away with it, but it would be wrong not to pass on info I believe is healthy to have in one's arsenal...

Since it's getting a little touchy, I would suggest you'all just google it around a bit, u know, "jugular vein" "drug addict" IV, shit like that, see what u come up with...

[Synack]

I wish you the best if you do decide to go for it... Keep us updated on any crazy shit that could go wrong and most importantly, be safe - I doubt anyone here is going to change your mind, so we might as well make sure you don't kill yourself doing it... (see, we're compassionate junkies..[I think compassionate's the right word to use.. I've got the flu.. or something, fuck.])

[CSiiSEQ]

Hitting femoral artery could be just as deadly as hitting the corotid artery.

False! Phrozen is correct on this one. If any particulate material was in the shot, if it goes in the femoral it has a long way to travel before it reaches the heart or the brain (where it could cause the biggest problems/damage). While it is on this journey, your body has a chance to break it up, macrophages can get ahold of it and phagocytose them, lots of defenses. If you do this in your jugular, you have almost no chance of your own body's defenses acting on the particle or whatever you inject.

Shelley....

You've heard enough of the pros and cons on this I think. I haven't been able to get you out of my head, and I thought of a couple things. I wish you were in the MD/VA/DC area, because I could help you find some veins. You haven't used them all, you wouldn't be with us if you had.

Do you have either a needle exchange or junky clinic that has a decent nurse? If so, go in and get her to help you find some new ones. She obviously can't inject you, but he/she may be willing to help you if it will prevent you from using your jugular. It's worth a shot, if not a nurse know any cool docs?

I personally don't use it and it's for only one reason. If you were in a life threatening situation, medical personal are going to need some kind of iv access. In a serious emergency when they need big or more than one line, they are going to go for the jugular and/or femoral. You've got to at least leave one untouched. It is easier to get a line in a jugular during an emergency. Many times the femoral artery is needed, so you can't go after that vein at the same time. Just something to think about.


Oh, and to whoever asked, yes the subclavian is used for central lines.

[antigonemuse]

ive tryed to hit in the neck so many times.... i just cant get it

[pharmboy]

I agree with CSiiSEQ on a couple of things

1) I cant get this out of my mind either.

2) You have veins left SOMEPLACE just need help finding them.

And yes the subclaivian is where they put a central line, But you
ever see them put a central line in the jugular?

[pharmboy]

Ya know what, after thinking about it for a while. . .

Shelly you should go to a rehab girl or your going

to end up dead. Your jaundiced right? All veins gone

Best friend just OD'd ,,, TIME TO GO GIRL.

[Duckfeet]

I hope yer not pissed Shelley: even tho u *told* us not to, we just *had* to go and tell u not to, didnt we? Oh well, I kind of like that about Opiophile, actually, that they often disregard me and tell me what's best anyway...means we give a shit...hope all is well with u actually, thought maybe things were going crappy: seems like a lot of us lately been going thru hard times...

[chopstix]

seems like a lot of us lately been going thru hard times...

Man, you can say that again, August 2k7 can lick me where I pee..

Here's to hoping Shelley is ok, rocky road that girl is on..

[SurfRat]

I guess if your veins really standout, then it would be easy to hit in your neck, but nobody should dig around in their neck, you want to be up on the surface to most avoid an artery. The problem with hitting an artery in the neck versus your femoral is that all the stuff would go straight in your head and stay there for the few odd seconds before you died. Whereas if you hit your femoral artery the stuff would land in your leg tissues and therefore get somewhat disapated (sp?) so that your leg would hurt a lot and swell up horribly but it might be ok. The problem with the femoral artery has more to do with abscesses and infections because it is deeper in your leg.
Now I said all that to the best of my knowledge. Only.
Shelley, you really convey some powerful thoughts and feelings.

[jayemp420]

my brother has used his jugular but ive heard its not very good to do.... i got this big vein in my forehead that stands out tho ive thought about usin that /..... would be a good head rush i bet

[SHELLEY]

Man O' fucking alive for a lady you got some balls. Cold day in hell would come sooner than the day I have the courage to fucking do that.

And yeah, dont damage the "merch"

What about behind your knees, just like your elbow joint? Hard to get to but know a dude thats the only thing he has left. Someone told me to hold your breath and use the palms of your hands or feet as a last resort. I didnt really buy too much of that bullshit but it may be true, I just dunno

Good luck

my palms and bottoms of my feet are done for as well

[SHELLEY]

You have either been shooting for 15+ years(daily), or frankly, you have horrible technique, if you have run out of veins. Keep this in mind if you're going to hit your jugular. You ran out of veins for a reason...



i shoot tons of coke
or at least i used to
have you ever stayed up for days on a coke binge
shooting up?
let me tell you
your hands shake like a motherfucker

[Chipper]

I mentioned this before but a buddy of mine uses his forehead from time to time. Yes, he has track marks on his neck, as well.

[tui]

I personally don't use it and it's for only one reason. If you were in a life threatening situation, medical personal are going to need some kind of iv access. In a serious emergency when they need big or more than one line, they are going to go for the jugular and/or femoral. You've got to at least leave one untouched. It is easier to get a line in a jugular during an emergency. Many times the femoral artery is needed, so you can't go after that vein at the same time. Just something to think about.



My doctor uses my jug to take blood- now that is hardly a "medical emergency". he uses it because it's the strongest, easiest vein to hit... and actually really hard to destroy- even shooting coke or speed into it (which is how i was using it).

in case of emergency the doc said they usually cut deep down into your elbow, get below the scar tissue and hook you up via that- no prob.

i really think you guys are over-sensationalizing the jug shot. it's MUCH easier to hit than pissy little ankle and wrist veins that'll disappear and scar up straight away. you're in no danger of hitting an artery because the jug vein is SO bleeding obvious. It does roll a bit, which is why it pays to pull the skin taut around it.

Anyway, i'd never be saying this if i thought it's endanger shelley, but i think it's a much better option than sitting in a pool of blood for hours crying and trying and re-trying and completely fucing all your other veins. I've been there too.

Good luck shell,

t

[Lil_Miss_Brownstone]

the last time i had blood drawn they used my femeral artery. i have visible ones in my feet left but can hardly ever hit them. when i do mainline these days which is pretty much only when i do coke (rarely these days due to destroyed veins) I use my knuckle veins and a few on the backs of my arms that i need a buddy to hit. (elbow area).

I am also a sex worker and I mostly IM in my armpit area.

Some thoughts on IM-ing: I have been using this as my main means of injection for 1.5 yrs, and if you are like me and it takes you 20 min to hit yourself you will feel it sooner if you just IM instead of digging for a vein. USE CLEAN RIGS! It is easy to forget this when you IM because a sharp point isn't as big a deal, but I was using the same one several times when i started and I got several abscesses this way. It hits you in a minute or two, not the rush of IV-ing but it gets you off sick just the same.

I have a couple friends who used their jugulars to the point of wearing them out and they are okay, but I wouldn't do it myself. maybe just superstitious.

I think it is easier to explain away bruises on the backs of legs or arms than neck tracks. One of my reasons for not using my jug is how it would look to my clients.

look at the backs of your elbows in a mirror. do u have anyone to help hit you?

[Lil_Miss_Brownstone]

my friend who has done it a lot says to puff out your cheeks and strain like you're pooping. she says if you miss it's like a "golfball".