Near Overdose?

[is_today_monday]

During all the time I've been using, I have never had this happen;

Last night, I prepared a shot of MS Contin, 100mg. It's by no means a large dose for me, usually, having shot that much, and a lot more, on many occasions. Usually I'm lucky to feel 100mg. Anyway, I had the shot, and I had barely pulled the needle out before I felt myself blacking out. I put all my strength into not passing out, packed away the fit, and staggered out to the couch, only just making it. I was having an incredibly difficult time trying to stay awake, and was certain I wasn't going to wake up again.

I did, obviously.

It was terrifying - my body just wanted to drift off into a heavy sleep, but I knew that if I didn't force myself to keep my eyes open, then I could possibly be in trouble.

I'm on 12mg Suboxone each day, and yesterday morning I had double dosed so I wouldn't have to go in today for dosing (I was going out of town for the day before the clinic opened) - I think the 24mg Suboxone + 100mg Morphine overpowered me like nothing I've experienced on opiates before. I'm an atheist, but fuck, I was definitely saying a silent prayer to the universe to let me come out of this still breathing. I even swore I would never use on top of my bupe again...

... in true form of an addict though, I did, about 15 minutes ago.

Sorry this is getting a bit long, but I have a question too - For my entire morphine experience, I've always had that wonderful pins and needle, warm rush. I find though, that if I bang it on top of bupe, I get an unpleasant rush, the pins and needles being more like hot rods being pressed again my scalp, and then other parts of my body - it it actually painful.

Has anyone else ever experienced this, either by itself, or when using on top of Suboxone?

I'm grateful to be here today!

[Synack]

sounds like and over dose to me, or some damn good shit!..becareful.... you're the only hoping turtle we have..

[betmylife]

from my experiance, when you use ontop of suboxone, it lessens the effects of the second drug...I dunno, maybe different when IV admin...but I railed 160 mg of oxy, and the day before I had taken 32 mg of suboxone...and I just didnt really feel the oxy at all...I dunno, maybe it effects everyone differently.....be careful sir



BML

[is_today_monday]

I can use on top of Suboxone, and still feel the second drug - it's been like that from the start (for me anyway). Even though Bupe is only a partial agonist, it still has depressant effects on the CNS. With the Morphine used on top of that, I think it just totally crashed my system to barely able to function.

Synack, thank you. I hope to still be the only hopping turtle here for a long while yet.

I was terrified - if I had a vial of Narcan sitting around, I would have put everything I had into drawing some up and using it. I was even considering calling an ambulance, but I couldn't get up. It was taking enough energy to stay awake, let alone getting up to call a phone. As I was staggering out of the bathroom, I felt like my legs weren't even attached to anything, or hitting the ground - my vision was closing in, and I thought that finally, my drug use was leading me to a coffin. People have been convinced that drugs would be the end of me for a long time. I thought they were right.

You have no idea how relieved I was to wake up today. The disappointing thing is, that despite all this, I'm still a junkie, and the probability of something like that happening again is high.
Thanks for your replies - I'm not very well known on the boards yet, but am feeling more comfortable with posting every day.

[is_today_monday]

....be careful sir

P.S. I'm a girl :)

[betmylife]

well Im glad you didnt die, the closest I have been to OD is when I took WAY too much oxy when I first started, like 100mg of that oxydose liquid, and railed 2 roxi 30s.......and I had zero pupils and couldnt stay away, my friend and I stayed up all night keeping each other awake....eventually I went and sat in the pool, and when I would doze off he would splash me....it was kinda scary, but just staying awake wore it off...I had to work a 12 hour shift the next day, it sucked ass.....anyways be careful, we hae to many casualties in the opiate world and only makes the prohibition peoples case better......take care man


BML

[Synack]

next time you take a hit - and you're alone, and no one will be back soon... keep that narcan near... shit, it needs to come in a spring loaded version... like an epi-pen.

[is_today_monday]

Fucking oath it does! Imagine how many lives would be saved if Narcan was available as an auto-injector. I guess the problem is that it needs to be administered IV. I'm not sure if they give it out at needle exchanges here, but shit, they should stock it (I know it's given out in sharps kits in other countries), or at least make the laws so doctors can prescribe a vial 'just in case'. Perhaps they can.. I need to look into that further.

It spun me out though because I've been injecting opioids for good while, and never had this happen. Just goes to show that no matter how educated you are, and how much tolerance you have, you can NEVER be too careful!

[dirtdog]

yup
you never know
ive had this happen plenty of times
only once with meth
i had been getting really crappy stuff so i figured ah fuck it, add a bit more to my shot
boy was i wrong-passed out with the needle still in my arm. craziness.
and damn
im suprised im still alive talking to y'all today

[underide]

I've had some similar effects to what you're descrbing in the begining, except for the blacking out part.
About a year or so ago I got my hands on some Duramorph solution. 1mg/1ml
I injected about 60 mls about 7 hours after dosing on methadone.
around 20 seconds after the shot i started feeling slight pins and needles which gradually became worse and worse untill my hands(especially left one) felt like they had circulation cut off. They werev both red and swollen and my head became heavy and pounding. My face was bright red and in stead of euphoria all i could feel was uncomfortable drowsiness which persisted for about 15 minutes. I was left with a terrible headache and at some point even wondered if i'd had a mild stroke or something - gee that would be fun!

the next day i decided to give it another shot, literally, and without thinking about it slammed the remaining 60mls. This time about 12 hours after dosing on methadone.
The result was very similar as the previous day, it just sucked. Though not quite as bad as the previous day and i didnt get much of a headache this time. Immediately I thought that something was wrong with the morphine i got, some contamination of some sort. I never got anything of the sort from any dose of H even after dosing on methadone.

Few months later i read a few post on yahoo's alt.drugs groups page and some people reported similar stuff after injecting morphine on top of certain drugs, especially methadone.
Apparently some people just get a terrible histamine reaction to morphine after injecting.
I haven't shot any morphine since

[jayemp420]

im really really really surprised you can feel ANY amount of morphine while on suboxone....i remember i was on 105mg methadone a day and i tried bangin dope and i learned after slamming a full half G that it doesnt matter how much you do you wont get high

[jayemp420]

oh yeah and also speaking of narcan, this reminds me of an episode of cops i saw the other night. guy was BARELY breathing, not moving at all, completey passed out from a shot of dope, well anyway the cops and ambulance gets there...they shoot him up with narcan (and from waht i saw it looked like they gave the shot thru his jugular) and BOOM, 5 seconds later, the guy is awake (out of it, but awake) the joys of narcan, eh...

[ProdigalSon]

oh yeah and also speaking of narcan, this reminds me of an episode of cops i saw the other night. guy was BARELY breathing, not moving at all, completey passed out from a shot of dope, well anyway the cops and ambulance gets there...they shoot him up with narcan (and from waht i saw it looked like they gave the shot thru his jugular) and BOOM, 5 seconds later, the guy is awake (out of it, but awake) the joys of narcan, eh...

I remember a COPS episode this dude was laying in his own vomit right next to some dope and a rig, tourniquet still on. they shot him with Narcan and he jumped up quick and started bitching at the EMTs: "Why'd you take away my &#&%@* buzz?"

[jersey_emt]

I remember a COPS episode this dude was laying in his own vomit right next to some dope and a rig, tourniquet still on. they shot him with Narcan and he jumped up quick and started bitching at the EMTs: "Why'd you take away my &#&%@* buzz?"

Been there, done that...way too many times to count. (On the giving end of the Narcan).

And yes, I do hate giving opioid addicts Narcan, but when a high-purity shipment comes into the area, and the person is barely breathing, there's not much choice in the matter.

[is_today_monday]

im really really really surprised you can feel ANY amount of morphine while on suboxone....i remember i was on 105mg methadone a day and i tried bangin dope and i learned after slamming a full half G that it doesnt matter how much you do you wont get high


Yeah, it's bizarre, I probably SHOULDN'T be able to feel anything on top of Suboxone, but I can. Not as great as if I wasn't on it at all, but I definitely feel it. When my dose got bumped up to 12mg I was certain I wouldn't feel anything anymore, but I can.

I think I must be some opioid freak of nature, but hell, in this case, I'm not complaining.

[Alifaust]

Fucking oath it does! Imagine how many lives would be saved if Narcan was available as an auto-injector. I guess the problem is that it needs to be administered IV. I'm not sure if they give it out at needle exchanges here, but shit, they should stock it (I know it's given out in sharps kits in other countries), or at least make the laws so doctors can prescribe a vial 'just in case'. Perhaps they can.. I need to look into that further.

It spun me out though because I've been injecting opioids for good while, and never had this happen. Just goes to show that no matter how educated you are, and how much tolerance you have, you can NEVER be too careful!

Actually it does not need to be injected intravenously. I got some Narcan from the local harm reduaction van that used to come around and pay people to watch videos on safe injection technique and give out clean needles.
Although it is illegal, they gave Narcan to anyone who wanted it and trained them in using it, and you inject it into the muscle, not the vein. It works so quickly that apparently you don't need to bother IVing it.
Think of it this way, if EMTs had to find a vein on every overdose they respond to, no one would survive an overdose.
I have the pamphlet downstairs in the basement I think, if anyone is interested I will scan it in or copy the instructions for use on here.
And yes, it should be available as an auto-injector. But the people in charge don't want that, because no one would report ODs and they wouldn't be able to interrogate and arrest junkies coming out of ODs, and their friends who were nice enough to call an ambulance. From what I've heard, when the cops catch you with narcan they get pissed. Fucking assholes.

[tptptp]

Suboxone is only partial methadone is full so maybe that's why still that blocks the effects for most people. 32mg into the next day you musta taken alot......people od banging stuff on top of done I dont doubt that suboxone might be similar when it comes to that...be careful

[Inspektahdek]

well we're glad you're still here, you shouldn't be doing anything on top of subs, unless u wait a long while I wait 2-3 days 3 days mostly before I use an agonist. Even though u can still feel other things on top of the subs, u shouldn't, and I'm sure now you've learned a lesson. I hope you won't try this again and narcan auto injectors would be fantastic. I've seen antropine auto injectors (http://www.drugdigest.org/DD/DVH/Uses/0,3915,7852%7CAtropine+Auto%252DInjection,00.html)

These things due a similar fashion to what narcan does, its used for blocking nerve gas effects IE shallow breathing, heartrate etc. and I've actually had a friend who had a NATO connect give him AUTO-DIAZEPAM INJECTORS! These were awesome, It was between 10-20mg diazepam IM injection just pop the top, stick, and push a button, done, dispose, very fun.

[jersey_emt]

well we're glad you're still here, you shouldn't be doing anything on top of subs, unless u wait a long while I wait 2-3 days 3 days mostly before I use an agonist. Even though u can still feel other things on top of the subs, u shouldn't, and I'm sure now you've learned a lesson. I hope you won't try this again and narcan auto injectors would be fantastic. I've seen antropine auto injectors (http://www.drugdigest.org/DD/DVH/Uses/0,3915,7852%7CAtropine+Auto%252DInjection,00.html)

These things due a similar fashion to what narcan does, its used for blocking nerve gas effects IE shallow breathing, heartrate etc. and I've actually had a friend who had a NATO connect give him AUTO-DIAZEPAM INJECTORS! These were awesome, It was between 10-20mg diazepam IM injection just pop the top, stick, and push a button, done, dispose, very fun.


Yup I have a couple of those. Mark I kit for nerve gas attacks. They began giving them out regularly to first responders (police officers, EMT's, firefighters) after 9/11. The kits we got consist of 2 autoinjectors -- one is a mixture of atropine and pralidoxime chloride, and the other diazepam. I think I have like 3 of them, maybe 4 or 5.

[insaneike]

Sounds like it could be cotton fever... you describe it EXACTLY like it could be. You say you done the very same dose previously while on subs? I would bet you had cotton fever, taking you use a piece of cotton or cig filter or anything like that to draw up into the rig with.
I've known two people whose had the exact same description f what happened and it turned out to be cotton fever, where a lil bitty strand of cotton was pulled into the rig, this is NOT uncommon! and nothing too bad. Every single person I know who had it happen say they thought "oh shit, this is hit, I finally did it" as they were passing out. They all woke up fine too...

I would look more into it on google and maybe that what happened..? If so, just all the more reason to buy some micron filters online!!! They are VERY worth it if you shoot! Not THAT much of a cost either for how better and safer they make things!

Glad you're still with us though!!! Be careful with the shit from now on!

[vanilla_mlkshake2007]

Just when I thought I was the only one last night after taking over 50-60 milligrams of methadone for 3 weeks I woke up around 11AM and crushed up about 4 pills (120 avinzas and ate 'em),anyways about 430 PM i decided after 3 weeks of not shooting my veins looked pretty tempting so I crushed up a 120 milligram avinza w/ a mortar and pestal and I IV'D it,I got a heck of a good buzz,but cuz I like to push things to the highest high I did one more.
All of a sudden my back of my neck got really itchy,actually my whole body,and it also became very red,then I got this pounding ass blood pressure headache,and got really hot so I tore my clothes off wrapped in a towel and put an ice pack on my head.
Now I have done over 1000 milligrams of Avinzas in a day so I was really scared that the thought of IV'ng 2 Avinzas one after the other would do this to me.I mean my vision got all blurry and I was sweating awful.I think this is the closest to death I have ever come.
Anyways I stayed up wired till 4 AM and then went to sleep only to wake up with the worse headache of my life.Unlike you I wasn't lucky enough to have narcon or anything like that around.
Now you'd think I learned a lesson.but at 400 pm when I woke up w/that awful headache I took 20 milligrams of methadone(the orange wafers) and took a short nap till about 630 PM.
Then I went right back in the bathroom and shot up another pill.I guess I will never learn.
I think it sounds like we both had a near overdose!!!!

[is_today_monday]

Sounds like it could be cotton fever... you describe it EXACTLY like it could be. You say you done the very same dose previously while on subs? I would bet you had cotton fever, taking you use a piece of cotton or cig filter or anything like that to draw up into the rig with.
I've known two people whose had the exact same description f what happened and it turned out to be cotton fever, where a lil bitty strand of cotton was pulled into the rig, this is NOT uncommon! and nothing too bad. Every single person I know who had it happen say they thought "oh shit, this is hit, I finally did it" as they were passing out. They all woke up fine too...

I would look more into it on google and maybe that what happened..? If so, just all the more reason to buy some micron filters online!!! They are VERY worth it if you shoot! Not THAT much of a cost either for how better and safer they make things!

Glad you're still with us though!!! Be careful with the shit from now on!



It certainly was not cotton fever. I've has this before a few times, and that experience wasn't anything like it. Besides, cotton fever isn't from a strand of cotton, it's caused by a bacterium that lives in cotton plants.

By the way, I do use wheel filters, and I've been a user for many years. I know the difference between cotton fever and and an overdose. I shot far too much morphine while already on an opiate (it may only be a partial agonist, but it's a CNS depressant nonetheless). I just got lucky I think.

I must admit, I feel slightly offended about your way of assuming I don't know the difference between cotton fever and an OD. Maybe you should read my original thread better too, because I said I've used on top of subs before, but not this much, and never had it happen. Cotton fever, on the other hand, has happened - when I've used filters that have soaked and had the chance to sporn lots of bacteria.


Unlike you I wasn't lucky enough to have narcon or anything like that around.

vanilla_mlkshake2007, I DIDN'T have any Narcan around. I was saying I WOULD have taken it if I did.


Anyway, thanks for the support you all have given me. It's a nice feeling to have people you've never met, and hardly spoken to, actually give a shit. It's a lot more than I can say for some of the 'friends' I have in real life

[is_today_monday]

P.S - I can buy wheel filters from my local needle exchange. That is no drama at all - hence the reason I use them