Should I try heroin?

[EleusisII]

We all know the problems of OCs: Expensive, and usually not readily available.
So naturally heroin comes to mind as an option. I haven't tried it yet, because something tells me it might be a bridge best left uncrossed. So I'm just wondering what smoking heroin is like compared to OCs... Euphoriawise and regarding WDs.
Thanks guys!

[OxyContinuously]

We all know the problems of OCs: Expensive, and usually not readily available.
So naturally heroin comes to mind as an option. I haven't tried it yet, because something tells me it might be a bridge best left uncrossed. So I'm just wondering what smoking heroin is like compared to OCs... Euphoriawise and regarding WDs.
Thanks guys!


much better, euphoria-wise, but much worse withdrawal-wise

[jonny-5]

the answer to your question is: NO. but you are going to do it anyway so i dont even know why you asked this question.

[H-Town]

IMO there is a difference from doing Herion (snort,smoke) and then shooting Herion. If you can just stay at smoke and/or snorting dope then I think go for it and try it. But once you cross that path of the needle its a whole new ballgame.

Just My Two Cents...

H

[Opilover]

I asked just about the same question not long after I joind this board and thankfully alot of people here saved me from going down that path..Yes the high might be better but honestly do you actually wanna go down that road read some of the horror stories on here and even peoples expiriences (sp?)Please don't go down that road from what I have head the WD's are worse.I'm not trying to preach to you or anything like that you'll make up your own mind but if you do anything listen to what the vetrans of H users has to tell you and then you make that decision and if you do choose to do H,,don't worry nobody will judge you for your choice,again sorry if it eems like I'm preaching not intending on doing doing that just giving ya some advice....

[kazman32]

IMO there is a difference from doing Herion (snort,smoke) and then shooting Herion. If you can just stay at smoke and/or snorting dope then I think go for it and try it. But once you cross that path of the needle its a whole new ballgame.

Just My Two Cents...

H


Iv'e snorted H when I couldn't get oxy's it did the trick, like the above poster said, shooting it would have been a whole other thing, if I had done that I know there woulndn't have been any turning back.

[ProdigalSon]

We all know the problems of OCs: Expensive, and usually not readily available.
So naturally heroin comes to mind as an option. I haven't tried it yet, because something tells me it might be a bridge best left uncrossed. So I'm just wondering what smoking heroin is like compared to OCs... Euphoriawise and regarding WDs.
Thanks guys!

no. Alot more of a body buzz. Take OC effect and triple it. Sometimes ill get some shit that makes me uppity as hell, then other times some shit gets me looooow. OCs always made me uppity

[Narkotikon]

No, you should DEFINATELY not try heroin. And when you do try it, do it A LOT.

Sorry, just a bit of sarcasm.

Well, I'd say you already have made up your mind if you're asking this question. To answer about the smoking though, the euphoria from smoking is better than snorting. Smoking a drug is actually the quickest way to get it into your system (it's even quicker than IV by a second or two), but the euphoria isn't as good as IV beause you IV all at once, whereas you have to keep smoking to get the same effects. It just takes longer. Nothing compares to IV H though. DO NOT TRY IV THOUGH! You'll want it all the time. It will become your life. But, if you do, please be safe about it.

Have you tried pods for an alternative? They're better than OC IMO, and a lot more affordable, plus the high lasts longer. In the beginning, you can dose in the morning and be set all day. It's also good for w/d, because it's a longer acting opiate.

[drug]

to answer your original Q; NO.
to all who regarded smoking/snorting H is 'different' than mainlining: NO. you actually get to the same level building a tolerance (and we all know the route- straight through the roof), and the withdrawals are pretty much the same as severe as when you shoot.

[SurfRat]

The reasons why I am hesitant to try heroin again is due to impurity of product and fear of LE. The couple times I tried it years ago, for me it was the best high ever, (but I haven't tried Dils or Fent.)

[Narkotikon]

What is the "LE" that you feared? I'm not familiar with that abreviation.

[kyuss]

What is the "LE" that you feared? I'm not familiar with that abreviation.

He's talking about
teh pigs,Nark.
Law Enforcement

[bronyraur]

We all know the problems of OCs: Expensive, and usually not readily available.
So naturally heroin comes to mind as an option. I haven't tried it yet, because something tells me it might be a bridge best left uncrossed. So I'm just wondering what smoking heroin is like compared to OCs... Euphoriawise and regarding WDs.
Thanks guys!

You SHOULD NOT try heroin. The roads that it will lead you down are dead ends.

More than a few folks have tried H 'cause OCs are too expensive, and they end up spending just as much if not more cash on H. If you've every had IV Dilaudid (hydroMORPHONE), that can give you somewhat of an idea of H.

When I was actively using H, my life was a total wreck. I sure as hell wouldn't recommend that anyone try it.

What is the "LE" that you feared? I'm not familiar with that abreviation.

Law Enforcement

[Narkotikon]

He's talking about
teh pigs,Nark.
Law Enforcement




Law Enforcement


Thanks guys. I'm just used to calling them the cops, police, or po po. I was thinking he was talking about some disease for a minute, and I was thinking, "what?"

[antigonemuse]

Thanks guys. I'm just used to calling them the cops, police, or po po. I was thinking he was talking about some disease for a minute, and I was thinking, "what?"


yeah id call them a disease alright

[JMill420]

If you have already done OC then you have basically done heroin. Heroin is meant to be shot so if you snort some H you wont be as fucked up as OC. I have always noticed snorting OC is much better than snorting H. H is more mellow and not as intense. This is of course snorting.

[AGV10]

We all know the problems of OCs: Expensive, and usually not readily available.
So naturally heroin comes to mind as an option. I haven't tried it yet, because something tells me it might be a bridge best left uncrossed. So I'm just wondering what smoking heroin is like compared to OCs... Euphoriawise and regarding WDs.
Thanks guys!


No - if you haven't started then don't start.

Yes, there are exceptions to the average user (meaning their are some users who keep their lives together and are able to continue functionaing normaly), most users will admitt that getting hooked on the stuff was a mistake - and getting hooked usualy comes about from a, "oh I'll just try it once", and then trying it agin, and then again ........

Best thing to do .... don't start.

The other side of the argument is that you're already taking OC's (correct?) - which is effectively H in a cleaner and somewhat less powerful form(meaning: the effects are much the same on an equi-dosage basis). Yes, thats true - but stand back and look at the average OC user after 6 - 12 months, and look at the average H user after the same period of time - and you'll see a big diff in most cases.

Discipline yourself to stay away from it. I don;t know an H user who honestly can say it was a good choice to start - read through the forum, you'll find loads of H users who have the honesty to say, "stay away from the stuff".

Don't start.

All the best.

[Saint]

NO is the first that comes to mind. But I remember how everybody gave me the exact same advise when I was 15 but I just knew I was going to try it. Somehow I knew for a long time and I did. Took me almost 20 years to get off it and I am still on methadone today.
Weird thing is: I regret using heroine as much as I don't regret it, if that makes any sense...

It definitely meant trouble. Bigtime. But there were some good times as well. Sometimes I think I feel life twice as intense today because of yesterdays trouble.
Well, never mind, I just don't know how to explain this the right way, feelings tend to be somewhat difficult to describe ..

I guess you already know the answer to your question anyway but I would never ever *advise* anyone to try heroine.

[2HI2C]

We all know the problems of OCs: Expensive, and usually not readily available.
So naturally heroin comes to mind as an option. I haven't tried it yet, because something tells me it might be a bridge best left uncrossed. So I'm just wondering what smoking heroin is like compared to OCs... Euphoriawise and regarding WDs.
Thanks guys!

I tried about 20 balloons within a 3 week preiod (crappy tar), and to be honest, I didn't like the buzz as much as IV'ing OC, so it was easy for me to walk away from it. I have to agree that OC has a cleaner feel to it. If I had the opportunity to try some of the East coast H, I'm sure it would be a different story!

There is something about using the needle that gets into ya once you start. Better not to...

[jayemp420]

dont try heroin at all and quit oc's

[EleusisII]

Hmmm... Good points. I didn't really think about what H might do to my tolerance.
I got a pretty good life, good job and two kids, and have no ambition to throw it all away. H sounds like a bad choice...

[nick]

NO..........not if you wanna hang on to your good life.

[Duckfeet]

Oh, I don't know. If you're going to do it, I doubt anything anybody says will make a difference, and I notice you asked about smoking it, rather than shooting it. It probably will start to put you in with a different gang of people, tho. I know it did me. And once I lost my fear of smoking heroin--how I started, but a different form of heroin, smoked in cigarettes--then natural next step is to try injecting it "just once or twice..." and then a whole new party begins...

Good luck to you, be careful...

[Synack]

it's kinda like asking "Should I tighten the noose until I'm turning blue in the face?"

[pharmboy]

No


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[betmylife]

if you wanna feel what heroin is like, try and score some dilaudids....some people say that you cant snort em, but I do, and it feels similar to heroin...in my opinion....you can feel it in your arms and legs not just your head....but dont start on heroin....OC addiction is bad enough...my dollars worth



BML

[jonny-5]

yeah id call them a disease alright

haha mos def...one that never leaves you alone

[Hammilton]

Re: the guy who says there's no difference between using it intravaneously and snorting it, because you can

"get to the same level of tolerance" using it either way.

I can get a tolerance way higher snorting fentanyl than shooting H given the time, and there's a huge fuckin difference between the two.

H injected produces a hell of a rush (probably only beat by Paralaudin) and then a decent body buzz that lasts a while.

H snorted doesn't produce a rush (not that compares even remotely) and is just that decent body buzz and strong euphoria.

Injected H is better than any orgasm I've ever had (not than the sex, though). No one says that about snorting it.

I never really smoked H. I've only had 2 grams of tar in my life, and used it to test out different routes. I only shot it once, snorted it once (that was a pain in the ass, btw. powder is best snorted, not tar) and smoked the rest. Smoking never produced that orgasmic rush, but it came on quick and lasted pretty good.

[dirtdog]

Try heroin? Sure why not.
Have fun
(I am not responsible for what happens to you)

[chopstix]

Someone should just sticky this shit:

Q: Should I try Heroin?
A: No, No, No, No, YES!!, No, No, No, YES!!!

Ask yourself this: should you attach a ball and chain to your ankle and throw away the key?

[kyuss]

If you are ready
to go broke,
lose your sex drive,
and your wife and kids
then say yes.

otherwise
say no.

[jonny-5]

actually what you should do is buy it and let me try it for you. ill let you know how it goes.

[robojunkie]

OK, first of all just let me say that I reserve the "Do as I say, not as I do..." stuff for my daughter only (and any potential future children). As for anybody else, I would take it on a case by case basis. I'm most assuredly not going to have a blanket response of "No!" to anybody and everybody who asks this question (nor would I say "Yes!" all the time either). However since I don't really know you I can't seriously and honestly answer this question. In fact, only you really can. Read what is said here by us H junkies, and I'm talking about general posts, not ones that are directed at giving you specifically advice. You'll hear lots of horror stories, lots of nostalgic reminiscing, lots of ambivalence and most of all lots of opinion changes. I personally do not regret trying it. There are many things I wish didn't happen the way they did and many things I wish I could go back and change or do differently and most of all friends I wish I still had. Nonetheless, speaking only for myself I don't think I would change that one thing, that is me trying it. But I can only speak for me.

Realistically I imagine, taking from people I know and have known, that I would probably recommend that at least 95% not try it, especially with a set. But there's always a few that are either "that far gone" already with something else (think hardcore crack or meth users) that might just be better off being junkies. And then there are the rare few for whatever individual reasons I would be either supportive or at least ambivalent in my response to that question. So for most people my answer would be stay away, but there's definitely a few to whom I would say "Go for it!".

Point is, you know yourself better than anyone on here, and everyone, myself included, can only base their opinions on their own and friends' experiences. You just gotta realistically weigh the pros and cons. In an honest way. Like "Am I the type that can never go back down to weaker things and still enjoy them?" or "Do I tend towards compulsive behavior?" or "Do I honestly believe that I would really never pick up the rig?" (as I believe there is a huge difference in the psychological level of obsession especially with the needle). Ask yourself and answer honestly these types of questions and you will instinctively have your answer.

Good luck with it or without it, either way.

[Ragdoll]

Such a hard question to answer. I wouldn't tell anyone to yeah, go ahead and do any drug. But then, what are the answers to why people do this drug or that?
I don't have those answers, and as long as I don't have those answers, I have only questions.
Hmm. Anyway.

[Moonrock]

i dont know. Should ya?

[doctor diesel]

Well, here's a different angle.
I do it, but I smoke it, and I love it. I would never, ever stick a needleful of the stuff in me, no matter how good it's supposed to be, because a) I don't want the risk of overdosing, infections and getting hooked beyond all control.
But what I find from smoking it is that I've always got something to look forward to, I never have a bad day at work because even if I feel shit in the morning, a little dose will set me straight.
And another thing, in the year and a quarter that I've been doing it, I've hardly increased my dose, although my tolerance to weaker drugs has obviously risen noticeably.
So I'm really happy with it, and totally functioning, not in the least out of control. The only downside is the cost of the stuff, but to be fair I have taken on extra work to try to cover the cost, and I do regularly check myself if I think I'm stepping up the intake. What helps the control is that the more you smoke it, the less fun it is, so to a certain extent it's self-regulating. There's nothing like leaving a 12-hour gap between smokes for heightening the pleasure.
Yes, I am hooked, but the times I've been forced into withdrawal cos I couldn't get any H, it really hasn't been that bad. If I had been injecting it, the withdrawal would have been total hell. To be honest I do mitigate the WDs with tramadol capsules, which reinstate my good health by about 65%, so keeping the worst of the WD symptoms away.
That's my take on the situation, so it may be of interest to you.
However, as to my opinion of tasting H via the needle? That's an absolute NO NO NO NO NO!!!!


Doc

[Chipper]

Should you try Heroin?

Only if you don't want to stop

[limitless_euphoria]

Hmmm... Good points. I didn't really think about what H might do to my tolerance.
I got a pretty good life, good job and two kids, and have no ambition to throw it all away. H sounds like a bad choice...

I've got most of the same (wife, two kids, home, career plans)... I mean, you would have figured after my massive love-affair with coke between 2000 and 2003 I would have learned about putting addictive shit up my nose. NOPE. I had also been experimenting with percs and oxy and when they weren't available as often as my body craved them, I was like "I know, I'll just try H and that will be there whenever I want. But I won't do it every day or anything."

Yeah sure, it became all the time. Then I told myself I'd stop when my wife had gotten pregnant. NOPE. I fucked up on and off for a year and a half after then she got pregnant again. I had quit for four months during her second pregnancy with subs but then I relapsed AGAIN. I was using right before and shortly after my son's birth. Then I went into long-term sub maintenence. At present I'm off the subs and I am "occasionally opiated" I am scripted for tramadol because, in all honesty, it takes care of my legit pain 90 percent of the time. The other 10 percent I'll go to my doc or the ER for vics or percs.

Maybe it's for the best that my wife's got me by the balls. Here's what I mean: I cannot legally drive for medical reasons so if she serves me with divorce and leaves me with the two kids - I know I'm fucked because I get VERY depressed and bored being alone. I'll most likely relapse then with nobody there I'll probably be so lonley they'll find me dead from O.D.ing.

Long story short: if I could borrow Doc Brown's Time Machine - I'd stop myself if I could. Hopefully that will be some inspiration. But, as the others have said... some people are just buttheads and just do it anyway. I was one of those. I *knew* I had a wicked addictive personality and that H was king of the addictors but I couldn't have cared less back in the day. I'm just glad I never got into IV. Thank God for small favors. Ok, enough rambling. Stay well.

[zenpunk]

I could take or leave any drug I tried until i met H. I don't give it the nickname "the fab boyfriend" for nothing. For me its the be all and end all that I will probably chase for the rest of my life. And occasionally there are moments of clarity where I am like "what the hell am I doing - it owns my soul". For me its good and bad, though it does own my soul and every spare dollar in my decent salary, it also has helped my PTSD (post traumatic stress disorder) tremendously and, since I started I haven't had a single gut-wrenching, sitting in bed or at a bar etc., screaming my head off because my emotions are reliving another time. PTSD almost cost me my job and now I'm a model employee. Ironic, isn't it? But that's me and still, the sad part is, that even though there are benefits, it owns me now.

[IceCold]

In my opinion if you can handle OC's you should have no problem with heroin. Unless you can get really good shit for really really cheap I don't see how it would make you have withdrawls that are alot worse. In most places it is a better deal to buy dope but it's not likely going to be so much more of good deal that you do alot more and you suffer super bad withdrawls.

[lister40]

the answer to your question is: NO. but you are going to do it anyway so i dont even know why you asked this question.

HAHA! so true. I asked if I should IV and did it the same night.. despite what they said.

[nick]

HAHA! so true. I asked if I should IV and did it the same night.. despite what they said.

Yeah and let's hope you don't spend the rest of your life regreting it.


Fuck it,do what thou wilt...........Just please try and take care.

[AWOL]

I didn't read a single reply, this thread is going to get lengthy. But ....... you mention OC, you mention money, at this point you have 2 options.

1) heroin

2)quit

and we both know you're not quitting.

See you in rehab :)

[nick]

I didn't read a single reply, this thread is going to get lengthy. But ....... you mention OC, you mention money, at this point you have 2 options.

1) heroin

2)quit

and we both know you're not quitting.

See you in rehab :)

You missed Christ bro and I'll drink to christ!! and the devil and cheeseburgers and anything else.


Bro,I gotta go to bed....Jr is tiring me out or I'm getting old,or both,but I'll be back to drink to "that" soon.So please take care.

[AWOL]

You missed Christ bro and I'll drink to christ!! and the devil and cheeseburgers and anything else.


Bro,I gotta go to bed....Jr is tiring me out or I'm getting old,or both,but I'll be back to drink to "that" soon.So please take care.

[covv799ss]

SWIM has only done h once so he is not the most qualified one to answer your question. but he, like you, was into mostly oc's and couldn't find any one night so he decided to mix some black tar with vitamin c and snort it. he only bought 20$ worth, but he gave the other half to the person who helped him get it.

it wasn't terribly too intense, because it was such a small amount, but it was nice. closest thing he compared it to was OC, but lasted longer, stronger "cleaner-feeling" euphoria, and a more pronounced body high although it had a paradoxical speedy effect to it as well at first...

SWIM never did it again for a few reasons:

1. girlfriend temporarily broke up with him when she found out (was mad enough about the pills...)
2. gave him a weird rash (made him wonder what was in that shit)
3. SWIM knows very few people who do H but all of them shoot up and have basically ruined their lives and SWIM doesn't want that to happen to him. i'm not trying to stereotype or stigmatize people who do h by ANY means, this is just SWIM's personal experience. SWIM is also scared of loving it a little too much and getting carried away.

now that i'm done with SWIM's story, i think that you shouldn't go down that route, especially since it seems like you'd be planning to do it a lot if you like it more than OC's (which you probably will). you can waste a lot of money on pharms, but at least you know what you are getting and the chances of dying are zilch if you're smart.

[jonny-5]

If I had been injecting it, the withdrawal would have been total hell.

Doc

actually, coming from someone who smoked H for the first 2 years, and injected for the last 2, smoking it did not give me as euphoric of a high but the withdrawls were EXACTLY the same. you get the same withdrawls weather you smoke or slam it. im sure anyone else who has done both will back me up on this.

[bronyraur]

yeah id call them a disease alright

for real.

If you have already done OC then you have basically done heroin. Heroin is meant to be shot so if you snort some H you wont be as fucked up as OC. I have always noticed snorting OC is much better than snorting H. H is more mellow and not as intense. This is of course snorting.

WTF?

[NastyZilla]

To be an utter square, it's a legal v. illegal argument in my mind. I don't care what others do, but fuck if I want to be caught with illegal drugs. Just me, tho.

[robojunkie]

But Nasty, isn't possessing OC w/o script just as "illegal" in most states and fed CSA as possessing H? I know in CSA C-I and C-II narcotics will both get you just as fucked by given weight. Hell if anything wouldn't the OC's get you even more fucked with the government's insanity regarding drug laws and weight? I mean in a legal sense how can they seriously support defining the level of control/illegality of a given drug by its chemical structure, but then charge on entire weight, even if 95% of the weight is completely legal quinine or baking soda or paper (LSD) or cellulose/fillers? I know I'm not a lawyer but when I was younger I always thought of the law as being a very logic based and sequential/precedent based sort of institution, but this particular part (in addition to drug prohibition, which is essentially what it really is) just flies in the face of all logic to me. If I have an ounce of pure diacetylmorphine powder I get charged w/ an ounce. If I have an ounce of 10% H I get charged with an ounce of diacetylmorphine. What if I have 2.8 grams of diacetylmorphine in a pile and its 2 millimeters away from a pile of milk sugar and quinine? What if they're 10 feet away in separate packages? What if the two piles are just touching by a couple of tiny flakes of powder? See what I mean? Would love to hear the legal perspective on this.

[covv799ss]

But Nasty, isn't possessing OC w/o script just as "illegal" in most states and fed CSA as possessing H? I know in CSA C-I and C-II narcotics will both get you just as fucked by given weight. Hell if anything wouldn't the OC's get you even more fucked with the government's insanity regarding drug laws and weight? I mean in a legal sense how can they seriously support defining the level of control/illegality of a given drug by its chemical structure, but then charge on entire weight, even if 95% of the weight is completely legal quinine or baking soda or paper (LSD) or cellulose/fillers? I know I'm not a lawyer but when I was younger I always thought of the law as being a very logic based and sequential/precedent based sort of institution, but this particular part (in addition to drug prohibition, which is essentially what it really is) just flies in the face of all logic to me. If I have an ounce of pure diacetylmorphine powder I get charged w/ an ounce. If I have an ounce of 10% H I get charged with an ounce of diacetylmorphine. What if I have 2.8 grams of diacetylmorphine in a pile and its 2 millimeters away from a pile of milk sugar and quinine? What if they're 10 feet away in separate packages? What if the two piles are just touching by a couple of tiny flakes of powder? See what I mean? Would love to hear the legal perspective on this.

i don't think mandatory minimum laws apply to pharmaceuticals. you brought up an interesting topic though.

[Get-High]

No. I wish I hadn't done it. After my 3 month long junk binge pharmies don't do shit for me. And you wiill be amazed how quickly your heroin tolerance goes up. I've increased my oxycontin shooting by roughly 30mg per her every year (started with one thirty, four years later its four per hit). Which isn't that much, yet my heroin usage doubled every two weeks.

Shoot some Dilaudid its a good rush, kind of close to junk and you will have a decent chance of saving your life.

[scikid]

two kids

That should be the main reason you choose not to use. No offense intended towards anybody who uses and has kids...

[H-Town]

Having kids and using can be done as long as you do not get out of hand. Me personaly I dont have kids but know plenty of people with them that can still use and be 100% around their kids. As long as you arent a full blown junkie around them it should be fine.

[NastyZilla]

But Nasty, isn't possessing OC w/o script just as "illegal" in most states and fed CSA as possessing H?

I'm not a prosecutor or criminal defense atty, but I KNOW that the cop that finds any "street" drug in my possession is going to treat me a whole fucking lot different than the cop that discovers an unlabeled bottle of 30 hydros or oxys in my purse.

My point is that, legally speaking, you can ALWAYS argue that you had a legit script (but the bottle isn't with you), or that the pills were someone elses and you were "holding them" for that person, etc. Or maybe you went overseas, and have returned with your personal supply of a drug approved for sale overseas (i.e., pharma pills, not MJ from Amsterdam!). Remember, in criminal cases, the burden of proof rests with the State.

There is NO legal excuse for possession of a street drug, which the exception of medical MJ in the states where it is legal to possess it for certain purposes. Therefore, you are guilty of illegal drug possession if you... well, possess... any street drug. Seriously, what possible argument would your lawyer come up with for possessing H that could ever be construed as legal possession? But your lawyer could probably come up with several plausible excuses for reasonable quantities of a prescribed substance.

Before I get flamed, please remember this is not my personal opinion or judgment, folks, just my estimation of the legal difference between having H or any "street" drug versus prescribed drugs like oxys in your pocket.

[hero 1]

yea give it a go then you can spend the rest of your life wanting that feeling you will get the first time you try it also try it if you want a secret lover who is constantly fucking you over leaving you want more
every time you are with them and i would aso say try it if the price of your soul is worth a bag of smack
DONT GET ON THIS TRAIN UNLESS YOU ARE READY TO RIDE IT UNTIL THE WHEELS COME OFF AND KILL EVERY ONE ON BOARD becuse it thats it in a nut shell