Paraphernalia or not? [Archive]

Mild_Man

11-28-2005, 09:13 PM

I'm not sure exactly where to post this but this forum looks like a decent enough place. I was thinking of purchasing some kind of water-pipe or pipe of some kind, not a full-blown bong. I was gonna do this because I might buy some Salvia online to try. Here's the deal, I'm not sure what would constitute paraphernalia and what wouldn't because it seems when I looked at some of my state's laws that any kind of pipe can be considered paraphernalia. I also read of kid's getting in trouble for having cigarette papers in their pockets even though they didn't get charged with drugs. Does this mean that I can get in trouble by buying a simple pipe or water pipe even if I said I was going to use it for tobacco consumption or can I only get in trouble if they can tie it to use with an illegal substance? It just seems like there's no definite line in the states, especially certain states for what constitutes paraphernalia and what doesn't.

-Thanks for any insight or links. :confused:

katomic

11-29-2005, 02:43 AM

what a shitty place you live in, jow can papers be drug paraphernalia? and you guys call call that freedom?

Mild_Man

11-29-2005, 05:03 PM

Yeah, it's beginning to look that the only thing I could purchase legally without getting in trouble would be a simple tobacco pipe. I don't really just want a pipe though. Maybe I should try ordering overseas but then you know the customs will probably seize it and I could get in trouble if they track the package to me, either to my address or even if I used an alternate address probably through the invoice or something. If anyone's had any experience ordering bongs or deluxe pipes overseas did it get through, if not what happened? Could I legally buy a hookah though? I've heard reports of those being made illegal also.

-Thanks

skeletontea

11-29-2005, 06:07 PM

Mild_Man

11-29-2005, 09:05 PM

You could always order from an online head shop. Just search around a bit.

Thanks to "Operation Pipe Dreams," pipes that have never had any illegal substance in them were
declared "illegal drug paraphernaila" (but not empty coca-cola cans, or tin foil for some reason :rolleyes: )
Some shops had to close down, and I know some glassblowers who had to find different jobs.

Oh, and as for a briar pipe (which i assume would be the tobacco pipe you are referring to) it would burn up from the inside if used to smoke other things, not so much due to the contents, but the manner in which the contents is smoked. (I'm an occasional pipe tobacco smoker.)

Is it worth the risk ordering something overseas? Like will I get in big trouble if they get the package or will they just send some kind of notice saying it was seized? It's funny since I want to purchase one not to smoke illegal substances but instead to try legal herbs but the crazy government can't draw the line I guess. :rolleyes:

skeletontea

11-30-2005, 01:55 AM

Is it worth the risk ordering something overseas? Like will I get in big trouble if they get the package or will they just send some kind of notice saying it was seized? It's funny since I want to purchase one not to smoke illegal substances but instead to try legal herbs but the crazy government can't draw the line I guess. :rolleyes:

I've never bought anything like that online, but I suspect many of the companies are in America. One downside of course is that you can't really see the item in person until it reaches your door. I did some looking around. The site I checked ships in unmarked packages, but can't guarantee that it won't be confiscated. (I suspect these are both pretty standard policies for sites of that nature.)

Before you go to the trouble of ordering online, look for some hippies where you live and ask if they "know anyone who sells glass." Where I live, it used to be quite common to see a scruffy looking man with a briefcase ask if you "wanted to buy some glass." Before you answered he'd then open his briefcase to show two walls of foam block, with cutout areas snugly gripping an assortment of pipes. The benefits to buying in person are no shipping charge, you get to see it before you buy, and of course no confiscations. You may not find anything, but I suspect it's worth a shot before ordering online.

edit: hmm,....looks like a large percentage of online headshops are in the uk, (where the hell have i been?) i guess they've really been cracking down. online orders being overseas may be a given. why are half the walk-in headshops where i live allowed to stay open, i wonder?

katomic

11-30-2005, 04:09 AM

have a look for some online headshops in the uk there are many pipes that are made to look like something else, and some of them are very clever indeed!
Use google.co.uk then press the search uk button

Zoop

11-30-2005, 05:18 AM

skeletontea

11-30-2005, 05:25 AM

I heard about that "operation pipe dreams" thing a couple of years ago. Didn't Tommy Chong get busted in that? He was selling bongs or something.

yeah, he actually went to prison
NPR : Tommy Chong: Free, and Back on the Road (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4488902)

DEA Ongoing Programs, Operation Pipedreams (http://www.dea.gov/ongoing/pipedreams.html)
there's so much political spin on this site, it'll give you motion sickness.

Mild_Man

11-30-2005, 03:19 PM

I heard about that "operation pipe dreams" thing a couple of years ago. Didn't Tommy Chong get busted in that? He was selling bongs or something.

Anyway, papers are definitely not paraphernalia, as long as they don't have anything illegal in them. There is a store right by my house where they display several different kinds, along with "blunts," right by the cash register.

Yeah, I don't really want papers because I've heard it's not the right way to smoke salvia. Anyways, I can't even order something even if they lied and said it was for tobacco because I guess all items that even deviate slightly from a standard tobacco pipe are a no-no by the government's eyes.

shaunclo

12-01-2005, 01:37 PM

Mild_Man

12-01-2005, 04:30 PM

Man, where have all the headshops gone?? I have like 4 within a 2 mile radius from where I live. Is it just because Im in Southern Cali?? I would never order a glass piece online, knowing the way the postmen treat packages, I think the thing will end up coming to you in like 30 different little pieces.

They can be found in headshops even though in most states you or the shop could get in trouble for possessing paraphernalia. I don't really know many headshops in my area and I've heard the one's I know that they probably woudln't carry them.

duke_nemmerle

12-03-2005, 07:38 AM

Man, where have all the headshops gone?? I have like 4 within a 2 mile radius from where I live. Is it just because Im in Southern Cali?? I would never order a glass piece online, knowing the way the postmen treat packages, I think the thing will end up coming to you in like 30 different little pieces.

Shaunclo I live in bumfuck Illinois and I have probably ~10 within an hour of me, but there have been some rumors of busts and DEA visits at these places. Real bullshit situation, if you ask me, a guy outta be able to hawk pipes without hassles from THE MAN

Mild_Man

12-03-2005, 03:55 PM

Shaunclo I live in bumfuck Illinois and I have probably ~10 within an hour of me, but there have been some rumors of busts and DEA visits at these places. Real bullshit situation, if you ask me, a guy outta be able to hawk pipes without hassles from THE MAN

Yeah, I don't see how making paraphernalia illegal would solve any problems seeing as certain drug users might start using contaminated needles or making things not so safe. Anyways people will just make their own pipes or bongs.

duke_nemmerle

12-05-2005, 06:01 PM

Yeah, I don't see how making paraphernalia illegal would solve any problems seeing as certain drug users might start using contaminated needles or making things not so safe. Anyways people will just make their own pipes or bongs.

Seems like mostly they crack down on certain glass stuff because people use it to smoke crack, but either way a crackhead's gonna figure out a way to smoke

katomic

12-06-2005, 05:27 AM

for pipes http://www.wellcoolstuff.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=1&Category_Code=DP2

a uk head shop http://www.wellcoolstuff.com/rebirth/

SomniGod

12-06-2005, 12:13 PM

Man, where have all the headshops gone?? I have like 4 within a 2 mile radius from where I live. Is it just because Im in Southern Cali?? I would never order a glass piece online, knowing the way the postmen treat packages, I think the thing will end up coming to you in like 30 different little pieces.

I agree! i also happen to know of a couple of head shops in OH! They have em in Toledo and Cincinatti. Those I have been to. It was about 6 yrs ago, but I have family there. I'll find out more.

~S~

Mild_Man

12-06-2005, 05:05 PM

I agree! i also happen to know of a couple of head shops in OH! They have em in Toledo and Cincinatti. Those I have been to. It was about 6 yrs ago, but I have family there. I'll find out more.

~S~

It's probably hard to come by now openly in headshops since the government is starting to really crack down on it. Customs would probably just snatch anything I bought overseas. I should probably just make my own pipe or bong.

Opiyum

06-05-2006, 12:07 PM

Just found this thread. Columbus OH had three head shops within it's city limits. "The Joint" was one block from me.
Now Im in PA and there are no head shops period. Outlawed.
Plenty of border shops in WV and OH which arent far seeing that pitts is in the Southwestern corner.
So MildMan if your still around drive to Columbus and get on High street. "The Smoke Shop" is next to apollo's Gyro's on Campus and "The Joint" is inbetween the "The Garden" and "The Measure of a Man" of Fifth and High.

zombiewoof23

06-05-2006, 12:27 PM

Mildman should have no trouble finding a headshop in Ohio. If not, Ohio has tons of starving artist glass blowers. Cleveland, Athens, Cinci, or Dayton, you should have no trouble finding a piece. I'm not sure what Ohio's current laws are on Salvia. If it is considered a controlled substance now, then the piece would without a doubt be considered paraphenalia. Salvia isn't my favorite psychoactive substance, but make sure you do the research on how to smoke it correctly before embarking on the short journey. If you do not smoke it correctly you will feel absolutely nothing. If you smoke it right, the gravity will hit you on the second hit and you'll be in for a wild ride.

aj11

06-05-2006, 12:35 PM

Opiyum

06-05-2006, 01:06 PM

Last I lived there was in December '05 and "The Joint" was still selling eight ounces of salvia openly and legally. Enjoyed it once but I was to busy with my meth cook buddies, the band and setting living rooms up on sidewalks.

zombiewoof23

06-05-2006, 01:17 PM

you should be cool. the only time they can charge you with anything if there is residue in side said waterpipe, otherwise it's a tobacco pipe. I ordered a glass 2 footer grafix through the mail, got it , broken sob. But it's perfectly legal to posses a Clean pipe

The trouble is that many times you are guilty until proven innocent. It seems like he doesn't want to go through the process of proving himself innocent. Paraphenalia in Ohio, like many states is more serious, than getting caught with the marijauna. I think you can lose your driver's license for up to 3 months (because the authorities consider you to be a habitual user), possible jail time, etc, if found guilty. Ohio is fairly liberal in comparison to Kentucky or Indiana. I believe both of those states are no tolerance.

I love Columbus, and really love the Athens area, what about you Opiyum? I kinda miss that area.

Opiyum

06-05-2006, 01:36 PM

I love Columbus, and really love the Athens area, what about you Opiyum? I kinda miss that area

Oh yeah Columbus is awesome. I miss High street. As for Athens I went there once to go swimming in a fine young ladies pool.

College town with my own place surrounded by people my age(most of whom were rambling idiots like myself but some were freethinking wonderments) vs Mom's house with my old friends who are fucking up left and right(in some cases) and with neighbors that have nothing better to do than mow their lawns three times a FUCKING WEEK!!!

Ahh but the drugs are better here. I know the right (or wrong depending on how you look at it) people.
I always had a theory that PA has access to alot better and/or more drugs than other states for one reason and one reason only. Its the Keystone state and anything coming or going from New Yorks Harbors and the whole Northeast in general has to go through us to get to all you westerners.
I think more dope comes from overseas than mexico right? Turkey, Afghanistan, Myanmar. I dont know maybe California has more and better...as far as more we are talking per capita too.

Wow I digressed.

Paraphenalia in Ohio, like many states is more serious, than getting caught with the marijauna.

This is very true. Unless you have your buds in seperate Baggies then you get intent to sell, but I think they have that everywhere...No?

zombiewoof23

06-05-2006, 02:42 PM

Ahh but the drugs are better here. I know the right (or wrong depending on how you look at it) people.
I always had a theory that PA has access to alot better and/or more drugs than other states for one reason and one reason only. Its the Keystone state and anything coming or going from New Yorks Harbors and the whole Northeast in general has to go through us to get to all you westerners.
I think more dope comes from overseas than mexico right? Turkey, Afghanistan, Myanmar. I dont know maybe California has more and better...as far as more we are talking per capita too.

Wow I digressed.

This is very true. Unless you have your buds in seperate Baggies then you get intent to sell, but I think they have that everywhere...No?

That's kinda how Ohio works too. Several major highways come together up around Mansfield. US 33 from Meigs County to Columbus is also known for very heavy traffic. It's totally different in rural Missouri where I am now. What they call nuggets here weren't even pretendi's in Ohio. If you are a tweeker this is the place to be. That's definitely not my scene. I really have no desire to even find any scene here. It's just a transistion period in my life where drugs are no longer the priority. I never thought I would say that.

Opiyum

06-05-2006, 05:19 PM

f you are a tweeker this is the place to be.
Nope not into tweakin' at all just had a three or four (hard to keep track of time in that state) month beginners course.

My apprenticeship was under a very enlightened man that I met through a squat that our bassist lived in until the other tweaker set the house on fire by accident. This tweaker was not so enlightened.
Anyhow my tweaker teacher showed me how to cook, knowledge that I did not retain purposefully, and gave me a tour of the good and bad aspects of the Columbus drug scene and everything else that is Columbus too. Oh the conversations we had whilst dumpster diving. Passing apartment complex's full of young men and women blacked and passed out from from the binge drinking done hours prior. They could never know such a life.
I never payed a dime for any of the crystal. I think he just wanted the company...he had alot to say and I was delighted to listen.
I remember once he gave me the last of a batch he had cooked probably around four am because I had to go to work that morning at nine and needed to stay up the whole way through. He understood this and gave me the last of his supply. This was very honorable. Fast forward to about six or seven that morning when he started crashing pretty hard and we were still about twenty or thirty blocks from the squat. I had to run to a 711 to get a slushy which he told me to pour a bunch of sugar packets into. So I ran it back to him. He slugged it down and with that last bit of energy made it back to the squat where he then slept for over 48 hours straight. No exaggeration, and it was probably more than that. I remember offering him the bit that he gave me to get through work but he wouldn't accept....

Yeah...I miss that place, but more than that I miss all the people I met. The bassist and the Teacher I speak and have spoken of affected me more than any other persom I have ever known....
...This post was more for me than anything, but if you've read this far maybe you can now reflect on some people, from your past, who changed who you are.

TTD

06-05-2006, 08:15 PM

Columbus still has a lot of places that sell pipes, one that comes to mind would be waterbeds n stuff which had a sectioned off part of the store full of glassware. I knew about the ones on high street on campus but never been there. There are/were waterbeds stores all over the place, one in whitehall i remember, one near morse road by where northland used to be.

I dont live in columbus anymore but very close.

Definitely dont get caught with actual paraphenelia in ohio, its far more harsh than posession of a drug. Anything with what could be considered residual product of a drug being used is considered paraphenelia for that drug.

10G of pot got me a 100$ fine, whereas paraphanelia is listed as having up to a 6 month jail sentence if i remember right. Pot was a civil citation.

However when i did get caught with the pot, the cop said "if you had rolling papers on you, youd be going to jail right now instead of home" And i thought to myself "it would be better for all involved if you NOT check my ankle pockets" :)

As far as customs goes, you wont typically have pipes or prescription pills from overseas get seized. They just dont check things other than fitting a set of criteria, they recently have started to check envelopes that arent flat.

They also tend to check things that dont come from a company address, if the sender is a company with a business address they typically dont check them. Inside the US youd never get something caught in the mail unless it literally smelled outside the package.

In addition, ive had things seized before, not pipes etc, that made me want to pack up and move immediately, even though nothing happened. They RARELY go after the destination address in cases like that, unless you were shipping cocaine or something, otherwise they dont care, its seized, your out of whatever you spent, end of story.

Scarlettnight

06-06-2006, 07:14 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by ajfeltz11
you should be cool. the only time they can charge you with anything if there is residue in side said waterpipe, otherwise it's a tobacco pipe. I ordered a glass 2 footer grafix through the mail, got it , broken sob. But it's perfectly legal to posses a Clean pipe

Didn't Graphix go out of business? I know here in NC there are head shops abound you just have to call them "water pipes". You even say the bong and they toss you out of the store.
And when you first get busted they cops aren't gonna take time to see if it is "drug" resin or tobacco resin. They will bust your ass anyway for "paraphanelia"

ZodiacKiller

06-06-2006, 07:31 PM

^ Same deal here in south-eastern Wisconsin, there are signs all over the store saying that if you ask for anything by other than it's designated 'name', you will be asked to leave the store. And they do it, too. I was with a buddy in a head shop where we went to get snuff-bullets (for coke on the sly--wonder if they'd work for H? hmmm....), and he asked "can I see that bullet there" and the clerk said "you have to leave the store immediately", then called security to escort him out. I guess you'd have to say 'snuff-dispenser' (as it was labeled), and if you want to look at a bong, you'd better not say "bong"--you have to say "tobacco water-pipe" or some such bullshit.

I don't think there are anymore 'head-shops' in the traditional sense of the word here anymore. Most are porn shops with a section dedicated to paraphernalia. There's also a couple of mom n' pop record/cd stores (talk about a dying breed!) that sell a few pipes and such.

The whole damn world be a changin', and not for the better, IMO. :(

ZK