From Methadone to Suboxone

[RudeBoySes]

Hey Everybody, Im a new member here.. came stumbling in here from google. I just read from Bi11i's thread that he's addicted to Suboxone? Im curious about how long you have been on them and how many milligrams you're taking. How bad are the W/D? That scares me a bit because i just went to my doctor to get a prescription for Suboxone. He started me off on two 8 milligram pill a day. One in the morning and night. Unfortunately, i dont feel the effects at all. When i got home, i took one 8 milligram pill sublingualy and felt nothing so i decided to crush one up and snort it.. and still nothing. Could it be im not taking enough milligrams? I dont want to take too much because of the withdrawls. Any advice on how not to get addicted to these. ?

I started on percocets when my dentist gave me some when i had my wisdom teeth removed. It's been about 2 years now and im up to 160 milligrams of Oxycontin's, which i acquire illegally. Recently, I've come across Methadone. I've been taking them to help me with my withdrawls but now have found myself addicted to Methadones. So now, Im taking Suboxone to help me get off Methadones.

Basically, any advice on how not to get hooked on Suboxone. Also, anybody take Suboxone recreationally and enjoy it ? Those methadone biscuits were huge, i dont know what milligrams they were. It was a huge biscuit with 4 sections, so you were able to break it into 4 pieces. But i always swallowed the entire biscuit, broken up first of course. How much Suboxone would i need to maintain my sobriety but not get addicted at the same time ? Any suggestions or reccomendation would be helpfull. * Tip: I dont recommend snorting Suboxone because an 8 milligram pill when crushed up equalls alot of powder to snort. Plus, it taste like candy. I like snorting things that taste like chemicals ( cocaine ).

Also, I wanna praise George Bush for doing something right finally by signing the DATA 2000 law. Now Im able to go to my doctor's office and have him prescribe a medication that actually helps with Opiate Addiction! I've been trying to kick this habbit for a while now but had no one or no where to turn to. I didn't dare go to a methadone clinic. Now i can go to my doctor and get a drug that helps... or i hope it does. This is my first day of transitioning. Im done with this addiction. I want to end this vicious cycle. Also, someone earlier said Suboxone helped with her depression????? Is this true? Does Suboxone help with Depression???? Depression is one of my worst W/D symptoms.. when it kicks in.. i just wanna kill myself!!!

That's it for me.. just a lil introduction.. Hope everybody accomplishes their goal of staying clean!! Good Luck !

[Coddfish]

Basically, any advice on how not to get hooked on Suboxone. Also, anybody take Suboxone recreationally and enjoy it ?

Wecome, I'm new too, but maybe I can help. The fact is that you are an opiate addict and Sub is a (partial) opiate. So when you take it, that is the opiate you are addicted too. I am, however, a little more optimistic about being happy and free than some people are. I've seen it fist hand and was almost there myself after long years of use and abuse. I believe the trick to kicking sub is to wean yourself off it as quickly as possible. This is easier than titrating off methadone or other opiates because, taken sublingually, it doesn't have near the same 'kick.' I am supposed to be taking 12 mg, have been for 5 weeks, but I am down to 4 by tapering myself and have gone through NO withdrawals yet. I don't get the warm fuzzies like I did with other things, but I ain't sick, which is saying a lot. I recommend taking a dose only when you NEED to. I'm not fool enough to think that getting my addiction in check is going to be painless, why should it be? but cutting my dose a little every several days has proved golden for me. now I have a big stash so that next time my dickhead doctor says something like "you are gonna be on these for the rest of your life, we need to make some plans for you" I can tell him to go blow himself and taper off myself. For me, it's about freedom, the first I've had in a long time. If I was still trying to get high on suboxone or other things, I would have trouble getting off it. For me, it's a question of what I want more. NO, no, no I am not planning on being opie free forever, but I want my power of choice back, and if I have to be sober:( for a while to do it, then so be it.

[shaunclo]

Hey rude, You are not going to get high on Suboxone. It doesnt get you high. First I want to know that if you are trying to get off of opiates, then why are you trying to get high on your suboxone? These are questions you should be asking yourself. If you are looking for a buzz, then suboxone is not the way to go, period!

If you dont want to get addicted to the suboxone, then DO NOT try to snort or take more than you need. This will abviously lead to just another addiction. Just take it when you absolutley have to, if you are still taking it for longer than 1-3 weeks than your probably going to have to go thru w/d's to get off of the suboxone. I have been on it for over a year and 1/2 now, and I am down to 1mg a day. Let me tell you, this 1mg a day habit is starting to be harder to break than I ever thought it would be.

[RudeBoySes]

hmmm.... Thanks guys for the input.. i dont know what im looking for.. i guess im confusing myself... i read that Suboxone is used like Methadone therefore i expected a light buzz from Sub.. Suboxone contains a partial opiate Buprenorphine so i thought im sure to get a light Euphoric high which will help my cravings... Like i said.. My first post was my first night of transitioning.. This post is my Second day of Transitioning... I just took two 8 milligram pills sublingualy... Hopefully, taking them both the same time will give me a light, EUPHORIC, High... otherwise this will never help ... my cravings for opiates will never be satisfied.. If only i can get just a very , very, light buzz .. i will be content.. i know that i wont get a high like Methadone but a light one would help my addiction...

I wish i never experienced the Euphoric, Warm , Opiate high! Since my first one, I have been on a journey to achieve that plateau every day... i've lost alot of friends, material items, and worst of all.. dignity for myself.. i've become something i've always been afraid of.. a JUNKIE!!

These are the qualities im looking for in a drug that will help me get off this Mehtadone addiction...
1. provide a light euphoric buzz so my cravings will be diminished
2. help with the withdrawls, especially the sever depression..
3. not addicting..

I'll keep posting so others may know my experience transitioning from Methadone to Suboxone... Thanks everybody for putting in your two cents..

[duke_nemmerle]

Euphoria isn't what the maintenance drugs are designed to produce typically. Though some folks might feel some euphoria, it's not the intention. I think you'll find that even without euphoria your cravings will still be reduced on a maintenance drug. Psychologically, however you'll always crave the buzz in the back of your mind, but that's not what these drugs are about to my knowledge

[shaunclo]

These are the qualities im looking for in a drug that will help me get off this Mehtadone addiction...
1. provide a light euphoric buzz so my cravings will be diminished
2. help with the withdrawls, especially the sever depression..
3. not addicting..

Hey Rude, not to be a dickhead or anything, but what you want is ridiculous. You want something that will give you a buzz so you dont crave anymore, the only thing that gives you a buzz is methadone (for maintenance that is) Now that you have experienced the euphoria from opiates, I hate so say it but your fucked. You will crave that feeling of opies for the rest of your damn life. And last but not least, you want something not-addictive. If there was such a drug out there that gave you euphoric affects that wasnt addictive, well than every single person on this site would be in hog heaven.

Your asking for a magic bullet, let me make it simple for you, THERE IS NO SUCH THING. What you need to do to get your life back is to put other things in your life that will take the place of your drug of choice. No other drug out there is going to make the drug you crave be forgotten about. Think a little deeper about what it is your asking in your question. You first went on methadone to get off H, now your realizing that the methadone is also addictive, so you go on suboxone to get off the methadone, but the suboxone doesnt fuck you up. My best advice for you would to go back on methadone so you can get a buzz. You sound like you still NEED a buzz right now. From what I get from your question is that you are not ready for a drug like suboxone. Suboxone is for people that are totally ready to get off opiates all together, for the fact that you dont get high from it. I hope this helps, if you have some more questions, feel free to PM me. I have been on suboxone for over a year now.

[shaunclo]

I wanted to add one more important thing to my last post, your cravings for opiates will NEVER end. The only thing that will satisfy it will be the drug itself. You need hobbies, friends, girlfriends/boyfriend, fucking, surfing, music. As Renton would say, "Choose Life" You will not be able to move on if you dont change your lifestyle first. You cant still sit around all day long wathcing t.v. wondering why your still craving that high. For me, when I got clean, (went on suboxone) I was still living like I was when I was getting high. Example, I still never went out, I just sat around all day watching t.v. wondering why I was still craving. These cravings did not get any better until I started doing stuff. Playing my guitar and going out to get laid helped a lot. Dive into work or do whatever it is you use to do before you started getting high. I hope this helps

[duke_nemmerle]

I wanted to add one more important thing to my last post, your cravings for opiates will NEVER end. The only thing that will satisfy it will be the drug itself. You need hobbies, friends, girlfriends/boyfriend, fucking, surfing, music. As Renton would say, "Choose Life" You will not be able to move on if you dont change your lifestyle first. You cant still sit around all day long wathcing t.v. wondering why your still craving that high. For me, when I got clean, (went on suboxone) I was still living like I was when I was getting high. Example, I still never went out, I just sat around all day watching t.v. wondering why I was still craving. These cravings did not get any better until I started doing stuff. Playing my guitar and going out to get laid helped a lot. Dive into work or do whatever it is you use to do before you started getting high. I hope this helps

That's dead on, choose life is the way to go about it. You'll never ever be free, but at least you can distract yourself for bits at a time

[opiobsessed]

Sorry everyone, I have to rant a bit here. The main thing this topic brought to my mind is the fact that I feel I have no choice but to choose life only if I'm opiated out all day long. One because opiates are the only drugs that work the best as antidepressants for me, two I feel I have no life whatsoever, no future, no hope, nothing going for me whatsoever. This whole year has sucked so bad for me from beginning to now, that I just want to drug my life away and have no reason at all to get clean. Long story short, I feel I've had the shittiest deal in life compared to most, major health problems, mental disability, abuse when I was little, unreasonable lousy experiences in life with both people and luck in general. this year has been the last straw and I dont see any hope or future. I totally agree with the past few posts about how one has to have a happy or active life besides the maintenance drug we are on, however in my case, I have nothing but my friend opium, people have burnt me so bad so many times in life, I hate people and cannot trust a soul after what's been done to me and people dont like me either. Leaving me lonely and nobody to love or have even one person in my life who means alot to me, except 1 or 2 family members who I can trust. everything I desperately try to make my life better failing in the end, way too many setbacks and disappointments in life to even muster any much ambition to do much to try anymore. I'm at the end of the road in my life at this point and the only thing that can turn me around now is if by luck somebody special comes into my life who I love being with or I succeed for once in my life financially etc so I can be happy for once, otherwise I'm determined to find a way to break away from the subs and find a long lasting supply of full agonist opiates to keep me happy,cozy,warm and ambitious enough so that I can drug myself up enough to at least get some happiness out of life before I die from a drug overdose. I was so happy two years ago when I was responsibly keeping myself dosed with vicodin to the point where I felt great all day long, now being on the subs seems like I'm just irritable most of the time and only get a small amount of ambition and happiness anymore. I just can't wait to get this damn financial situation cleared up, thats the whole problem keeping me from getting anywhere right now, once that is out of the way, I'm quitting this sub and going right to the methadone clinic. This is a tough decision but being on an opiate the rest of my life is no problem for me, only thing I'm worried about is if I dont have money for one week and the clinic by me only takes cash. Wow I"m up late, better try to get some sleep tonite.

[Coddfish]

Sorry everyone, I have to rant a bit here. The main thing this topic brought to my mind is the fact that I feel I have no choice but to choose life only if I'm opiated out all day long. One because opiates are the only drugs that work the best as antidepressants for me, two I feel I have no life whatsoever, no future, no hope, nothing going for me whatsoever. This whole year has sucked so bad for me from beginning to now, that I just want to drug my life away and have no reason at all to get clean. Long story short, I feel I've had the shittiest deal in life compared to most, major health problems, mental disability, abuse when I was little, unreasonable lousy experiences in life with both people and luck in general. this year has been the last straw and I dont see any hope or future. I totally agree with the past few posts about how one has to have a happy or active life besides the maintenance drug we are on, however in my case, I have nothing but my friend opium, people have burnt me so bad so many times in life, I hate people and cannot trust a soul after what's been done to me and people dont like me either. Leaving me lonely and nobody to love or have even one person in my life who means alot to me, except 1 or 2 family members who I can trust. everything I desperately try to make my life better failing in the end, way too many setbacks and disappointments in life to even muster any much ambition to do much to try anymore. I'm at the end of the road in my life at this point and the only thing that can turn me around now is if by luck somebody special comes into my life who I love being with or I succeed for once in my life financially etc so I can be happy for once, otherwise I'm determined to find a way to break away from the subs and find a long lasting supply of full agonist opiates to keep me happy,cozy,warm and ambitious enough so that I can drug myself up enough to at least get some happiness out of life before I die from a drug overdose. I was so happy two years ago when I was responsibly keeping myself dosed with vicodin to the point where I felt great all day long, now being on the subs seems like I'm just irritable most of the time and only get a small amount of ambition and happiness anymore. I just can't wait to get this damn financial situation cleared up, thats the whole problem keeping me from getting anywhere right now, once that is out of the way, I'm quitting this sub and going right to the methadone clinic. This is a tough decision but being on an opiate the rest of my life is no problem for me, only thing I'm worried about is if I dont have money for one week and the clinic by me only takes cash. Wow I"m up late, better try to get some sleep tonite.
For what its worth, you sound EXACTLY like I did about 4 to 8 years ago. Actually I still think that way some. (and I am in recovery, HA Heh HA HA HEH:cheeky2: :cheeky2: :cheeky2: --that is my eeeveeel laugh, the one like the emperor had in the Return of the Jedi when he gets to the Death Star) I even moved--actually moved--to southeast asia with the intention of carrying out my plan to buy big and stay high. My journal from that time mentions "leaving behind a bloated, drug soaked corpse," and other funny stuff like that. Anyhoo, it sounds like you are having a rough time right now.('duh!', I hear you say) But you won't always. I would suggest that in all this mess you are going through, don't do anything that will do you or others irreparable harm, at least till you have exhausted all other options, ie., methadone. Things do turn around, this too shall pass, one day at a time, yada yada yada, fuck the government, etc. Maybe you need methadone, but aren't on it yet. That was the answer for me for a while. My guess is it will be the answer for you for a while too, but probably not forever. Forget about being on something forever, stick a little closer to home til life is more stable. Be mindful of the future, "but not at the expense of the moment. Be mindful of the living Force."
By the way, I was on a clinic in OKC that only took cash, something that worried me when I started. You know what?, everyone always found a way to pay on wednesdays. They just did. Junkies are the most resourceful people in the world when it comes to aquiring bits of cash. Don't worry too much about that, your addiction will take care of you on the program. That's actually the reason I got to a point where Meth was no longer right for me. And that's a long ugly story.
Good luck.

[RudeBoySes]

Hello everyone.. well it's about 2 weeks now since i started my Suboxone.. everything is going well. it took a few days before i realized what i was feeling and learn to enjoy it.. i've been clean since ... Suboxone does help with my depression.. it also gives me energy so i can get out of bed and do things rather then lay around all day.. what it doesnt do is get me high like Methadone.... but it does help with the cravings ..
My current dosage is 1 (8milligram) pill in the morning and another one late afternoon early evening.. I take them sublingualy.. I just had my second doctor's appointment this past tuesday... I went in .. he barely even looked at me.. didnt take a urine test.. just had me sit on that elevated bed and took my blook pressure .. that was it.. went up front gave him cash and he wrote my prescription ... I tried to get more pills but he limited it to two pills a day.. Being i have no health insurance they cost me $235.30 for 30 (8milligram) pills.. that's for two weeks.. the doc's visit was $75 dollars .. cash or credit card.. no check.. LoL..
Anyway.. i appreciate everybody's input.. it's helped .. makes me realize my problems are insignificant compared to opiobessed .. Anyway.. i think this may be my last script .. im feeling better now.. imma start to cut down my dosage to one a day next week.. and eventually lean off of the Suboxone and get into working out / jogging / take vitamins.. i can see how i would get addicted to these as well.. Plus.. financially it quite expensive... if anybody has any questions about Suboxone or how to find a doc in their area.. www.suboxone.com (http://www.suboxone.com) .. good luck

[shaunclo]

You sound great Rudeboy, congrats!! My best advice is try to not stay on the subs for too long, they are a bitch to kick as well. I am really glad to hear this, it makes me happy. Good Job buddy.

[HiJacked]

shaunclo said-
What you need to do to get your life back is to put other things in your life that will take the place of your drug of choice.

That is exactly what EVERY drug addict who's finding that they cant stop using needs to do.
The fucked up thing is between the 12 step cults and the familys that think that cold turkey
is the best way, the withdrawling user is most likely to fill that space in their life with methadone maintenance or bupe maintenance.
Both of those options are alot better than the first two but isnt it mainly just a swapping of drugs going on? MMT >> instead of IV/H or BMT >> instead of vicodens?

I wish there was a certain something I could fill my life with that made the 100mg of methadone each day unnecessary.

I havnt found it yet and when anyone does think they have it, please dont be shy or selfish with it, it'll be the best thing alot of people have ever read. ;)

[psychotiKK]

Sorry everyone, I have to rant a bit here. The main thing this topic brought to my mind is the fact that I feel I have no choice but to choose life only if I'm opiated out all day long. One because opiates are the only drugs that work the best as antidepressants for me, two I feel I have no life whatsoever, no future, no hope, nothing going for me whatsoever. This whole year has sucked so bad for me from beginning to now, that I just want to drug my life away and have no reason at all to get clean. Long story short, I feel I've had the shittiest deal in life compared to most, major health problems, mental disability, abuse when I was little, unreasonable lousy experiences in life with both people and luck in general. this year has been the last straw and I dont see any hope or future. I totally agree with the past few posts about how one has to have a happy or active life besides the maintenance drug we are on, however in my case, I have nothing but my friend opium, people have burnt me so bad so many times in life, I hate people and cannot trust a soul after what's been done to me and people dont like me either. Leaving me lonely and nobody to love or have even one person in my life who means alot to me, except 1 or 2 family members who I can trust. everything I desperately try to make my life better failing in the end, way too many setbacks and disappointments in life to even muster any much ambition to do much to try anymore. I'm at the end of the road in my life at this point and the only thing that can turn me around now is if by luck somebody special comes into my life who I love being with or I succeed for once in my life financially etc so I can be happy for once, otherwise I'm determined to find a way to break away from the subs and find a long lasting supply of full agonist opiates to keep me happy,cozy,warm and ambitious enough so that I can drug myself up enough to at least get some happiness out of life before I die from a drug overdose. I was so happy two years ago when I was responsibly keeping myself dosed with vicodin to the point where I felt great all day long, now being on the subs seems like I'm just irritable most of the time and only get a small amount of ambition and happiness anymore. I just can't wait to get this damn financial situation cleared up, thats the whole problem keeping me from getting anywhere right now, once that is out of the way, I'm quitting this sub and going right to the methadone clinic. This is a tough decision but being on an opiate the rest of my life is no problem for me, only thing I'm worried about is if I dont have money for one week and the clinic by me only takes cash. Wow I"m up late, better try to get some sleep tonite.

You sound like me too. I've had alot of people which I considered my friends, rip me off and completely fuck me over. People I have trusted with my life and would have taken a bullet for, turn around and backstab me right when I least expect it. It hurts. Not only does it make you incredibly angry, but you feel like a sad worthless peice of shit that everyone steps all over on, and they will only communicate with you for their own selfish needs. I feel like this alot. I've gone through the same shit. Opiates numb all of my emotional and physical pain. I feel at ease and that everything will be okay. I'm not depressed, but actually feel fantastic, even if I'm alone in my room.