FINE THEN! You Convinced Me.

[JayTrizzle]

Where can I get a clean needle in the package? I'm not a good liar. At all. I can't get them from the pharmacy and wouldn't even begin to know where to look. Gonna try to IM some dilly. I figure that's no where near as hardcore as IV'ing so fuck it. IM is right in the arm or ass, correct? And if so WHERE CAN I FIND SYRINGES.

[Duckfeet]

Jay: If u IM u'll eventually IV...and then u can forget that marriage and any other good things u were looking forward to...seriously, I"m not trying to be dramatic man, but this shit takes a lot more than it gives in return...IMing some crummy generic K2's won't do shit, and once u got the rigs u eventually go for the vein, and then all of life turns grey and hopeless...nobody on here that gives a shit about u is going to encourage u getting a rig...u know that...ur young, there actually is a lot more to life than fixing opiates, but once u start, it becomes everything. Fuck Jay, where is this coming from? You wanna be standing in line in front of the methadone clinic with me and the other loosers? Shit. Learn to sail, run away with yer old lady to Brazil, write a poem about blood and love gone wrong. Hell, take up roller-skating...but leave shooting up dope to idiots who don't know any better.

Where can I get a clean needle in the package? I'm not a good liar. At all. I can't get them from the pharmacy and wouldn't even begin to know where to look. Gonna try to IM some dilly. I figure that's no where near as hardcore as IV'ing so fuck it. IM is right in the arm or ass, correct? And if so WHERE CAN I FIND SYRINGES.

[JayTrizzle]

as i said before, i've been wating to try it for quite some time but ONLY if could get some dilaudid. No H, no other pills, ONLY dilaudid. SO now it's swimming around, and I want to get really, really high, and I apprently can't from these unless I IM or IV. So fuck it.

[JayTrizzle]

besides it's not like I can't go to the needle exchange. i probably wont though. I'll get moderatly high from snorting a few and call it at that.

[CUBErt]

Also, IM'ing pills can cause abscesses I think. Maybe not Dilaudids tho because they are so tiny.

But anyways man I know how you feel. I'm sittin here, out of all my friends who still use I am pretty much the last one who still smokes their tar. My close buddy and pretty much only smoking partner for a while just made the transition to the needle within the last 2 weeks, so I feel a weird sense of loneliness... and on top of that I'm not getting nearly as high from smoking anymore so it was already a tempting thing to do..

But this is how I think of it (and maybe you can too): I love opiates... A lot. And basically if I loved them any more than I do now (made possible only through the aid of the needle) I would lose all of what remains of my willpower and self-control. I still don't see myself as a lifer, dispite what many of the older folks on here might predict. And so I want my drug use to remain fun and recreational in a way that won't burn bridges or prevent my future success if/when I do finally decide to "grow up."

Whatever you choose to do, stay safe and live with your decisions.

[Chipper]

Once you start IM'ing or IV'ing then it starts to consume you.

I feel like such a hipocrite saying this but it's true.

Once you start, it sets the pace for the future.

Choose wisely.

[Black_Pony]

Dilaudid is not any 'better' for you to shoot than H, although it doesn't quite have the legs (ie. doesn't last as long). That just means you need your next dose sooner. Its some hardcore fucken junky shit. Lets not kid ourselves here. Don't do it!

That being said, I've heard of ordering online, needle exchange is a good option if you have one close by, I've even thought of going to a medical supply store or the like to buy a diabetic bracelet. These are sources I have never tapped.

There is a regular Longs I go to where you just throw down your ID and ask for 'insulin syringes,' 1cc or 1/2cc, long or short, whatever you want and all you do is write your name and address on their logging pad and their yours. Just like you do buying Sudafed these days. NOT ALL LONGS DO THIS. I have walked in to PLENTY of other Longs and drug stores of all types that look at me like I had just asked them to fuck their mother, no way are they gonna sell me syringes unless I've had insulin scripts filled there before. Don't even bother lying if its not their policy they wont do it.

For some reason this one store is junky-friendly and helps the community by supplying clean works. If you ask the junkies in your area, I'm sure you can find out which one to go to. Then just walk in, ID in hand and ask for 'insulin syringes.' It might even help to drop the name 'u-100' a type of insulin, to sound legit.

Think long and hard before you start playing with needles. You'll open a can of worms you DONT want. I mean even having them on you is a paraphernalia charge if you get caught. You can swallow your dope, but try swallowing a 10 pack of rigs. And once you get started, you will NEVER leave home without one.

-BP

[Synack]

Damn opiophile because now I've started to IV every once and awhile... I find that going into the target pharmacy with some made up bullshit about how it's for your photography class and even type up some paper to bring with you to make it look more legit..

PM me if you want me to send you the paper I printed... if I still have it

[Woowoo]

Also, IM'ing pills can cause abscesses I think. Maybe not Dilaudids tho because they are so tiny.
Size of the pills doesn't matter--what causes abscesses is bacteria that find a little "cave" created by a tiny microparticle inside the skin/muscle. I.M.ing a pill is a very hazardous thing to do. In fact, one of the biggest risks of I.V. use is that you miss and start an abcess in your arm near the vein. To intentionally miss the entire shot (i.e. intra-muscular, or skin-popping) is just insane in my book. At least when you I.V. you're letting your liver do that thing that livers do: FILTER!

The other big danger of I.V. drugs is the overdose factor, but when you do Dilaudid that risk is almost zero, assuming you shoot a reasonable number of pills. 80 year old women go into a hospital and the doctor I.V.'s them with 2-5mg of Dilaudid, they wouldn't be doing this if they thought that 5mg of dilaudid had the potential to overdose them. No adult overdoses on a single Dilaudid pill.

But the biggest danger of I.V. drugs, when you look at the big picture, is that you cop a habit. There isn't a single junky on this forum who started I.V.'ing drugs thinking that one day they would be shooting up dope three times a day, but that's what it always leads to. Don't think that somehow you're different than everybody else. If you like opiates at all, you're gonna LOVE this... too much, probably.

Don't interpret this as advice to I.V. your dilaudid. You're better off turning the other way and running at top speed. Get yourself some good pot and toke up!! Now that's some good advice.

[Opilover]

Jay my friend,I once started to think about IV'ing and consulted the great people here about,they was harsh but it was for my own good they made me see the light PLEASE don't go down that road I even have a brother that does it and he regrets it because of the demon it puts on your back,,hell opiates alone is hard enough to deal with at times you sure don't need the needle regimen then your gonna wanna shoot everything,,just imagine trying to explain all those tracks to your wife,,thats a good grounds for divorce in itsself..Just think before doing it and if you do take take the plunge becareful..Good Luck bro

[Azrael]

Where can I get a clean needle in the package? I'm not a good liar. At all. I can't get them from the pharmacy and wouldn't even begin to know where to look. Gonna try to IM some dilly. I figure that's no where near as hardcore as IV'ing so fuck it. IM is right in the arm or ass, correct? And if so WHERE CAN I FIND SYRINGES.

more likely to get an infection IM'ing dillies than IV'ing.

[OxyContinuously]

Yeah Jay, if u don't already shoot stuff, don't start

[Ghost666]

From what I've been told once you feel the rush that will give you (you WILL go the IV route if you IM...), you'll never be satisfied any other way. Every time you pop a pill now you're reaching back in your mind trying to recapture those first 2 Lortab you took way back when that kicked your ass. If you start up with needles that's where you'll try to get every time from here on out.

I drew the line at needles waaaay back in high school and have never crossed it. Lost my best friend due to H and needles too, which has helped me not even begin to consider it.

If you have a decent tolerance just hold out all day long with those Dillys. By the end of the day you'll feel like shit and taking some when you get home from work will feel great and give you something to look forward to throughout the day.

[Duckfeet]

Yep, I remember now> My old lady's veins were so bad, she *had* to start IMing dilaudids. And these were K4's which have less crap in them than K2's do. And she eventually got abcess, and was holy hell. IMing D's--or tar, for that matter--is just about a guarantee u'll eventually get an abcess. As far as that goes, I'd recommend IVing rather than IMing either of those two things...but it's still better to leave the needle alone altogether, as once u open that door, it doesn't matter *what* u think going in: it's open, and it stays open...

[ProdigalSon]

Man these replies really show how genuinely caring the members here are. Im really proud to be one..

Everyones right bro, im pissed I started iving my pills, pissed.

Where I live there is a little pharmacy right in downtown, about the size of a shoebox that gives em up no prob. Lots of places around here (Port Huron, MI) will sell to you no questions asked. I think its a state to state thing. A former member Heidi could walk into Wal-Mart and buy a box of em no problemo she lives in Kansas I think

Just think about what your doing and be clean as hell if you do do it(and I hope ya dont bro) if you see the slightest bit of abcess get 'jo ass to the E.R. fast as greased lightning

[tptptp]

as i said before, i've been wating to try it for quite some time but ONLY if could get some dilaudid. No H, no other pills, ONLY dilaudid. SO now it's swimming around, and I want to get really, really high, and I apprently can't from these unless I IM or IV. So fuck it.

What the hell does that have to do with anything? Dilaudid and H are in the same league if you bang them. Either way though be safe.

By all means get some thorough instruction preferably someone who's done it before to show you and then read and make sure hes not doing it in a harmful way. I think there's all sorts of tricks of the trade and incorrect/harmful parts here and there that people do.

I'm curious about shooting, I think just about everyone who uses is but I'm young too. You can always shoot later in life but you can't go back. Also realize once its dilaudid or H thats the only thing that'll feel ok, nothing else will so you'll either spend a fortune doing that or you'll be unhappy and sick. Why not enjoy the other stuff and still be able to function?

You're young and have a low tolerance, why fuck it up now?

[RxQueen]

jay, i'm gonna echo all the others telling you to rethink your choices here. you're going through some tough times lately, and that makes this about the worst possible time to experiment with this! either stick with snorting those dillies, or plug 'em. putting them up yer ass will actually get you higher than IM anyway, and you won't need to give yourself abcesses or worry about how to explain away the trackmarks. i mean you yourself said you're a bad liar... you gotta be pretty slick to get away with being a shooter these days. PLEASE stay away from the needle. you could use the dillies to trade a shooter for some OC's or something that won't be so tempting. you've got so many choices right now, but you can kiss 90% of them goodbye once you pick up that point.

that being said, if you still decide that you just need to shoot, don't hesitate to ask us here for tips... i hate to give anyone their wings anymore, but i don't wanna hear about anyone doing themselves unnecessary damage by doing it without any instruction. now please go and decide to stay away from needles for a few more years.... they'll always be there, but you won't always have your youth all full of promise for a bright future....

[antigonemuse]

dillies aint worth im'in any how...

[Nate]

If u haven't tried up the bum do it, tried doing 2 k8s back with low tollerance, oh buddy i was flying, probably did too much too. I would imagine its comparable to IM if not better, buddy there was a rush n all, best rush (of sorts) i have ever gotten. (I usually snort).

Good luck with whatever u do.

hmmm i want to put something in my bum :rolleyes: fuck tha needle. ;)

[OxyContinuously]

Pill, my dude, you started down the needle route, my brotha? Now I ain't your pops or anything like that, but I think you're a cool dude and everything....and don't take this the wrong way and shit like that, but please be careful...Yo, I get 80's all the time, and if those are dry, then it's morphine (PF 100's 15 a pop, good deal, hehehe ;-) and, man, there have been many , many times when I found myself *in* the pharmacy waiting on line with my story of being diabetic all ready (I'm not diabetic in real life, but i thought that would be a sure way to get fucko behind the counter to sell me a red cap) and when it was my turn, I bounced, just asked dude for a pack of condoms or some shit; you know cuz I was already on line and didn't want to be a sketchy fool and just walk away when it was my turn, u know?

Nah, but I guess the bottom line is that I didn't buy the rig, and I'm glad. Now, I'm not tellin' ya what to do, and obviously I don't think any less of you for tryin' it out, but my dude, please make it just "tryin' out." Reason being, we all know the dangers of needles, and plus, it's so easy to go down and not come back---> and i would hate to see that happen to you. Now some other people, honestly, I could really care less what they do or what happens to them, because, frankly, they are lost fucking causes already and who cares? you know? but I've had the chance to talk to you, and you're a stand up guy, you know? I mean, shit look at what you've accomplished: from what i know, you're a businessman (yo the restaurant is nothing to scoff at, whether u have it or not doesn't matter--> look at the experience u have, bro...shit, I sure as shit couldn't run a restaurant!! That's number one. Second, bro, you're a fucking war veteran...you served your country with courage and bravery; stuff I'm sure would have half of the people I know (either on this board or in real life) shitting their pants, but you did it with honor and dignity...I respect that ... A LOT. So, think of the things u have accomplished, and who you are, and take this as a friend telling you (no homo obviously) that I care what happens to you, and I'm just tryin' to give ya some good advice...

Hey, try this: if it's the rush u like, like me, and pretty much all my opio brothas and sistahs, try new shit; like for example I tried smoking an OC this weekend (boy did it taste bad, but I think it worked although it smelled bad and made a lot of smoke, and plus I dont know about all those fillers and what not in my poor Newport-abused lungs, LOL)) or, I've heard plugging works very well. (hah, I haven't tried *that* shit though; just how I was brought up, nothing goes up my ass, u know? sorry, not tryin' to be disgusting!!) or, let's see--> I don't know about you, Mike, but I love smoking chronic and I've found that smoking a bowl or an L or however u do it beforehand, getting nice and stizzoned first, *then* taking the opiate results in a fucking ride, bro!! SHit, it's so fun, in fact, that now I hardly ever take opes (and by the way, my DOC is OC 80's hands down; 35 a pop-- a little on the expensive side, but I think it's worth it.) And something else that I haven't seen mentioned: most if not all opiates are soluble (meaning they disslove and go into solution) in ethanol. Scotch, or any hard liquor will do, but try vodka for what i am about to tell you. Take your dose of your 80, for the sake of the conversation, let's say u sniff, I dunno, maybe forty, like me to get high. Take that 40mg, and powderize it like u were about to sniff it. Then take a shot of vodka, pour it, and put the oxy powder into the shot. Stir, and shoot. This works because first of all, the opiate is in solution in the liquor. Second, alcohol facilitates the absorption of any opiate, letting it get into your bloodstream quick. Third, alcohol potentiates narcotics, very well I may add. So u are basically doing ur stomach's job for it: you get the ope into solution, it's mixed with a potentiator, and alcohol is absorbed quick, we all know that. So when it is infused with an opiate, it hits that much quicker, AND harder. My dude, you will NOT be disappointed, trust me!! I'm sure you've heard of laudanum...all laudanum was/is is raw opuim dissolved in strong alcohol. A couple words of wisdom, though. From experience, I have learned to use an alcohol with no "flavor" like bourbon for example, would be disgusting mixed with oxy. I suggested vodka, cause vodka is very light, compared to other liquors as far as taste, and when the oxy dossloves, you will have a strong taste, so it's best not to have the oxy mixing with the taste of the liquor, you know? BUt, yeah, I do this for a treat, and I am not disappointed ever.

Best of luck to ya, and shoot me a PM if you want: I have all sorts of recipes, and miscellaneous shit to make your opiate experience that much more enjoyable ;-)

later bro
peace out
much respect

Oxy

[Nate]

Trust me dude, shoot it up the bum! Just try it, if your going to do the im anyways, why not give the bum shot a try first.

[Markov]

I read this thread and had to add my $0.02 - from a harm reduction perspective, not a "you should do this" perspective. I am making no commentary on what to do to your body - people have stated that advice very well so far I think.

Regarding using a needle but not IV'ing: subcutaneous administration (or "sub-q") is safer than IM. There's some fat just below your skin - subcutaneous fat. It's like when you get a TB test, and they inject a little fluid just below your skin & it makes a little welt. Or when you get an anti-coagulent like heparin in the hospital. All you have to do is grab a chunk of love handle, put the needle a little less than a mm below the skin and inject there. It has the same longer-acting, slower-onset properties as IM, but it's safer for a few reasons. It's not as deep (duh), and if heaven-forbid you get an abscess/infection, it's right at the surface and easy to deal with, not deep inside where you have to go under the knife. That said... I'm gonna violate the second sentence of this post and tell you to tell yourself: needles are for knitting.

[Azrael]

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Can't find the delete post button, so this will have to do.

p.s. lol

[Azrael]

as i said before, i've been wating to try it for quite some time but ONLY if could get some dilaudid. No H, no other pills, ONLY dilaudid. SO now it's swimming around, and I want to get really, really high, and I apprently can't from these unless I IM or IV. So fuck it.


I understand why you only want to do dilaudid IV, I once felt that way too, however the only drug I ever got ill health effects from shooting was generic 4mg M4 dilaudid. If you don't have a tolerance I'm sure you can get "really, really, high"

I would have never shot heroin, morphine, OC, had I never had my first shot of "D" sept. 23, 2004.

If you decide to do it, filter extremely well, let the solution sit to make sure it's particle free. get wheel filters if you can. take heed especially if have generics.