Mixing Bup and meth

[Coddfish]

I saw recently on a government website (ha) that people are finding that mixing suboxone and methadone increases the potency of the meth. This does not make sense to me, but then I am not an opiate receptor. The website said that much of the diversion of suboxone is towards meth users. Any thoughts??

[shaunclo]

That sounds really weird, I took about 10mg of methadone a couple of weeks ago and took my suboxone the next day thinking I waited long enough......WRONG.....I went right into w/d's. So this doesnt make sense to me at all. Maybe they are talking about really really small doses.

[RudeBoySes]

i've never heard anything like that on the streets.. i will admit when im on methadones.. i love snorting cocaine.. that combination is unbelievably, euphorically, awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

[Coddfish]

I knew I wasn't crazy. I fouond it again on a DOJ website on Suboxone. www.usdoj.gov/ndic/pubs10/10123 (http://www.usdoj.gov/ndic/pubs10/10123) It says that when methadone and Suboxone are used together, the effects of both drugs are enhanced!!?? I can't imagine that this is true, but I DOOOO trust my government!:confused:

[shaunclo]

Wow, in that article it said that you CAN crush and snort suboxone and get the affects. You cannot shoot it, but you can snort it. What I dont understand is why you would want to. You dont get off on suboxone or subutex, so why shoot subutex or snort suboxone??

[Coddfish]

Wow, in that article it said that you CAN crush and snort suboxone and get the affects. You cannot shoot it, but you can snort it. What I dont understand is why you would want to. You dont get off on suboxone or subutex, so why shoot subutex or snort suboxone??
Is this the Man disseminating propoganda? Refer madness? I don't have an f'ing clue, but I share your confusion.

[Coddfish]

I have a friend who snorted a 2mg pill. He was NOT an opie user, but he said it WASTED him! He said it took a few hours but by the time it kicked in he was throwin' up and the whole shebang. I have no reason to doubt this guy, but I'm not really sure what to do with this info. Couple that with the wesite above and I'm left with some very interesting things to ponder.

[bogumil]

Hey, I never used bupe, so sorry, if I tyalk shit, but from what I read about it (Im planning on switching from H to subutex after I will have dosed myself down so far that I can theoretically start with 8 - 4 mg subutex), so, from what I read about it, buprenorphene (sp.) is in use as a pain medicine since the 40s. It was then somewhen found great as substitute.

So probably your friend, who had no opie tolerance at all, might really get a big bang from something that is threee times stronger than morphine. While someone, who is used to H, gets into WD, when something so weak, compared to heroin, kicks the H off the receptors.

As for the website, everyone I talked to and every paper I read about it, says, that bupe and any opioid together bring an addict into bad Wds, at least when the bupe is taken after the opie. Lately, that some woman, who had IVed bupe, tried to help against the Wds by Iving methadone 30 minutes later, which made the Wds so bad that she had to be taken to hospital. So maybe the site was either put up on April 1st, or he talks about people, who arent addicted? Or the government plans on finding all the addicts in the US by bringing them straight into WDs and then picking them up?

I will look up the sources and add them.

[GMorris]

People on regular doses of antagonist opiates/opiods should just not try and do bupe in any form while they are dependant. It WILL throw a person into withdrawal with the immediateness! The doctors who use it will tell you to wait until you are in full blown withdrawals, or at least almost there, before trying to use it for opiod maintenance purposes, period. Even then, you will go through some w/d no matter what. It is not a complete antagonist, but neither is it a complete agonist, so if you are taking a regular agonist opiate, it's gonna make you start to kick. It only stands to reason that someone who is opie-naive will most likely get wasted off of it, since there is no tolerance and no habit. No receptors to reject the antagonist part, so the agonist part will work with a vengeance!

It may be possible to negate the effects somewhat by taking a lot of it at first, but I've heard mixed reviews even on THAT. Bottom line, bupe has its own properties which will be noticed no matter what you do or how you try to prepare, but it has a great success rate among addicts who are trying to maintain. It's all a matter of how much you want to get clean and how much you are willing to suffer to get there.

[Coddfish]

I actually have a little more experience with this now. A few months ago I went back and forth with small doses of Meth/bup and I would say I got along pretty well. I do not recommend this to anyone, but there you go. I don't intentd to push my luck; done with meth forever. But that website kept eatin' at my brain.

[ZodiacKiller]

Well, me n' the wife have gone back and forth with heroin/bupe for a few months now, and a few times we dosed the bupe too early and precipitated withdrawal. It was not enjoyable whatsoever. You gotta wait at least 'till you know for sure that you're in physical w/d. The mental aspect can fool ya (well, it fooled me the first time, anyway), so you gotta learn to differentiate between the two.

BTW, when I kicked in December, I went 4 weeks clean when PAWS got the best of me and I took one of my wife's 8mg Subs. Got me amazingly high, nodding and all...Now that we're doing dope again semi-regularly, it has no euphoric effect at all. It does have a nice calming effect, though....but perhaps that's just the alleviation of early onset of withdrawal that I feel. Bupe is a strange drug....