Am I blind, or does a tramadol section exsist?

[Ickyuck]

Whoo, tramadol appreciation thread. I am very thankful to the chemists whom invented this shite. It takes the edge completely off when I'm needing a fix.

I am full of energy, bounding about in a good mood.

Anyone else feel this??

:D:):p;)

[Sitar]

I've always been a fan of Tramadol. It was the very first opioid I ever tried, so I'm sure that's colored my opinion of it. Most people here don't like it because they tried much stronger opiates first.

Tramadol has its own unique set of effects unlike most other opiates, but that's what I like about it. It does have a speedy edge to it, which is cool for me since I like amphetamines in addition to opioids, and Tramadol lasts a long time.

There's all this blathering about Tramadol causing seizures, and it's really no big deal. I've had the seizures many times from high doses, and it doesn't amount to anything more than just a big jerk when you're falling asleep. People prone to bad seizures might want to stay away though.

[Opilover]

I agree with you guys Trams are pretty good especially when going through WD's,,hell I take about 6 and a 1mg of K-Pin and thats a great combo for me...

[doctor diesel]

Thank God to goodness for those synthetic tram-alam-a-ding-dongs when the naughty old heebie-jeebies of H withdrawal come a-knocking at my front door.

Thank Christonabike for 200mg of that shit when the going gets tough and the tough get going...


Praise the Laaaawwdd!!!!!

Heremenow!

[I-Nod]

Are Tramadols an opiate?

After years of going to see a dr every now and then when back pains were unbareable, and only getting Ibuprofen, I decided this time to keep going back for the "follow-ups". On my 3rd visit she rx'ed me some Tramadols, but I know nothing about them. Any info is appreciated.

[jonny-5]

oh, so i take it its RX only. ya its an opiate, a pretty weak one, but it will help with WD's.

[I-Nod]

oh, so i take it its RX only. ya its an opiate, a pretty weak one, but it will help with WD's.

Oh wow! That surprised me quite a bit. I haven't even tried one yet, due to having stronger opiates (not rx'd), but figured I would the day before my next appt so I have some experience/ input to give the dr.

From all the good reviews I'm reading, as far as helping w/ WD's go... I must say I'm quite happy a doctor finally gave me something that's even remotely useful!! Anything to add to the WD arsenal is welcomed w/ open arms, err gullet. Thank you jonny-5, appreciate it brother :D

[Ickyuck]

I've always been a fan of Tramadol. It was the very first opioid I ever tried, so I'm sure that's colored my opinion of it. Most people here don't like it because they tried much stronger opiates first.

Tramadol has its own unique set of effects unlike most other opiates, but that's what I like about it. It does have a speedy edge to it, which is cool for me since I like amphetamines in addition to opioids, and Tramadol lasts a long time.

There's all this blathering about Tramadol causing seizures, and it's really no big deal. I've had the seizures many times from high doses, and it doesn't amount to anything more than just a big jerk when you're falling asleep. People prone to bad seizures might want to stay away though.


I agree with the speedy edge. Like right now I feel almost electric I'm so speedy. It is the only thing I dislike about a tramadol high.

I didn't realise I posted this in the "potentiator" section.

I actually felt kinda panicky; had to take a few xanax to take the edge off. I'm concerned because I'm obsessing about what to do next; Its kinda driving me nuts. Anyone else feel like this?

[Ghost666]

Is Ultram classified a controlled substance? Pretty sure when it came out that it wasn't. Dr's would write for that any day of the week. A buddy of mine and I discovered they took the WD's away looooong ago.

[Duckfeet]

Reminds me of Talwin...wierdass shit...

[slugbone]

Oh wow! That surprised me quite a bit. I haven't even tried one yet, due to having stronger opiates (not rx'd), but figured I would the day before my next appt so I have some experience/ input to give the dr.

From all the good reviews I'm reading, as far as helping w/ WD's go... I must say I'm quite happy a doctor finally gave me something that's even remotely useful!! Anything to add to the WD arsenal is welcomed w/ open arms, err gullet. Thank you jonny-5, appreciate it brother :D

yeah i dig the tramadol. synthetic opiate they say. the trams keep the head creeps away, you'll know what i mean!

i've been taking them daily for about 2 years. still at a reasonable dose of 400 or under mg. i really think they are a workhorse for feeling better in the morning, mood enhanceer, pain controller takes the edge off, and for w/d.

[erica]

Tramadol isn't technically an opiate, it's an opiod analgesic which is synthesized from codeine (in comparison, oxycodone is synthesized from thebaine, and hydrocodone is synthesized from codeine and thebaine - codeine is weaker than thebaine, morphine, etc.)

It's only 10% as potent as morphine, when IV'd.

Eh, I gotta go but I'll write more later.

[flipside]

There's all this blathering about Tramadol causing seizures, and it's really no big deal. I've had the seizures many times from high doses, and it doesn't amount to anything more than just a big jerk when you're falling asleep. People prone to bad seizures might want to stay away though.

In the interest of harm reduction as a nurse let me say that Tramadol seizures are real and can be fatal. It's also embryotoxic.

Glad to you they are no big deal Sitar, until they are... but please be careful making blanket staements like that. whay may be okay for you could be fatal for someone else.

[GoddessofRATs]

Those jerks your having when you fall asleep ARE NOT Tramadol seizures, not even close. I have those jerks when i fall asleep to, but only when i am on high doses of Trammies. They are more like itsy bitsy seizures. The people who have bad seizures from Trams have REAL siezures, falling on the floor, convulsing, foaming at the mouth. So yea, flipside is right, be careful about statements, whats true for you may not be true for someone else and the severity and degree of a siezure can be different for everyone.

That being said, everyone on this group knows i LOVE TRAMMIES. And i've done stronger oppies before even trying Trams. I like the speedy affect trams give. The only thing i don't like about trams is it doesn't have that warm and fuzzy, i love the world high like other oppies, like my MS Contin or Hycodan cough syrup does. but for cleaning and stuff, trams are great. I can conquer the world on Trams if I'm well rested.

BUT.... beware of Tramadol wd's, YES you can withdrawal from Trams and it is horribly awful. I've been taking Trams a long long time at high doses and when i run out i get sicker than a god damn dog. Sweating, severe RLS, anxiety, intchy skin, sneezing, those little jerks and shakes. It's just awful. But it may not be as bad for someone else has it is for me, everyone is different.

Sadly i don't enjoy Trams like i used to since starting MS contin.. but I'm not enjoying the Morphine as much as i did the first time it was RX'd to me. Just the laws of addiction i guess. Never as good as the first time! Right Flip??? LOL

But, I'll always love m Trams. I'd love to see Tramadol have a home here, with it's own thread. Flip, I think I'd qualify as a good Mod for a Tramadol catagory ??? lol I've yet to meet a single person who takes as high doses as i do, but i haven't met everyone yet. Some people on this forum can't believe i take such high doses with no ill affects. I SHOULD BE STUDIED ROTFL.

Goddessofrats

[blackdog]

i also raise my syringe in support of the suggestion to have/create a forum section fer the tram heads. and also nominate goddess of rats for she was a godsend when me moms was w/d ing from running out without a renewal script and it was the weekend and shite doctors and there nurses can really suck alot of the times.anyhow long story short, thank god for the internet access to certain meds cause otherwise we would be unable to acquire scripts without having to schlep to some arrogant bastard out of med school with a license to torture peeps. fucking doctor sez oh you cant get addicted to ultrams/tramadol no way!! he was so adamant about that as a fact. yeah well mom was only taking one in the morn,, one in the eve, and she now will never hold back from loaning me a hundred bucks when i ask fer a short loan. cause shes been there and shes a nurse from the old days. not like what there selling today huh? anyway yeah tramadol yay g/o/rats.yay heron
peace da/dawgg:p

[AWOL]

seizures aren't a big deal ....................... :confused:

[bronyraur]

There's all this blathering about Tramadol causing seizures, and it's really no big deal. I've had the seizures many times from high doses, and it doesn't amount to anything more than just a big jerk when you're falling asleep. People prone to bad seizures might want to stay away though.


INCREDIBLY FUCKING BAD ADVICE!!!

I suggest anyone with a pulse ignore the quoted text.

[GoddessofRATs]

I don't know why someone would say such a thing, people can die from Siezures. People can get seriously hurt while having a siezure or hurt others around them.

That is one of the most stupid and thoughtless remarks made on this forum. I'm not getting on you deviated but seizures are and can be a huge deal. If you've suffered a minor siezure from Trmadol, THAT IS YOUR ESPERIENCE, someone else is CAN AND WILL BE DIFFERENT.

I wish people would learn to think before they speak.

Be careful with remarks like that.

Goddessofrats


seizures aren't a big deal ....................... :confused:

[tptptp]

Deviated was basically stating how stupid the comment was with his use of the shocked expression smiley

As for the OP, jerking or twitching a little in your sleep and a real full blown seizure...do I even need to...

I don't know why someone would say such a thing, people can die from Siezures. People can get seriously hurt while having a siezure or hurt others around them.

That is one of the most stupid and thoughtless remarks made on this forum. I'm not getting on you deviated but seizures are and can be a huge deal. If you've suffered a minor siezure from Trmadol, THAT IS YOUR ESPERIENCE, someone else is CAN AND WILL BE DIFFERENT.

I wish people would learn to think before they speak.

Be careful with remarks like that.

Goddessofrats

[flipside]

In the interest of harm reduction as a nurse let me say that Tramadol seizures are real and can be fatal. It's also embryotoxic.

Glad to you they are no big deal Sitar, until they are... but please be careful making blanket staements like that. whay may be okay for you could be fatal for someone else.

GOR I will see about having a tram forum. Will discuss it with the other mods and se if we can do it.. May take a bit.,until we make sure the board is running smothly with no kinks. But I see no reason not to.

I'll do a poll later to see how much of an intrest there is.

[Sitar]

I said the seizures aren't a big deal because I've had them and know others who have as well. You know, not all seizures are the same. Grand mal seizures are indeed bad news, but this stuff doesn't cause that for MOST people. And I sure as hell didn't say those seizures weren't a big deal. Jeez...

Now, like I said before (although it was apparently ignored), if you have problems with seizures already, then you'll want to be VERY careful. Otherwise, it's not much of a big deal. They wouldn't prescribe this so frequently if it was so damn bad for so many people.

I'm actually rather annoyed at how my earlier statement was received and responded to.

[Ickyuck]

Hah, it takes me THIS LONG to realize my thread was responded to/and there is a tramadol section. I'm not even fucking high.

[Hammilton]

If all you've experienced was a jerk here and there, that isn't a seizure. That's myoclonus- a fairly common event experienced by us all. Seizures induced by tramadol are of the grand mal type, not increased myclonus.

That's why it is such a big deal- what you experienced in all likelihood wasn't a true tramadol seizure at all. In most seizure-treating clinics, one of the most common cause of adult onset seizure is tramadol. Since that's adult onset, it's safe to say that they never had one before- so by extension, there's no way to predict who's going to experience grand mals from high doses.

[GoddessofRATs]

Your absolutely right Hammilton. There is no way to know who will havea seizure. But if someone has had a seizure in the past i wouldn't recommend they take Tramdol PERIOD!

I'm lucky, I've never had a seizure before Trams and with Trams and i take extrememly high doses. I've yet to meet anyone who takes as strong a dose as i do. I'm sure they exist but i haven't met them. I think a doctor would be totally shocked with my dosage and that i am up and walking around lol.

I guess my body is pretty strong because back in the day i took TONS of Vicodins WITHOUT CWE. This was years ago before i knew about CWE. Sadly, it ruined my liver. My last test showed my liver wasn't functioning properly. My Doc wasn't to concerned right now about it though. I don't take as much Vics as i used to but back in the day i took 7 at a time without CWE. Sometimes i took the 7.5 and sometimes the 10's. My poor liver.

If someone is gonna have a seizure on Trams i suspect that they would have the seizure during one of the first times they take the Trams. I think most people have a seizure with their first or second dose.

IF they make a Tramadol section here, i am going to get a bunch of info on Trams so i have them ready for questions.

GOR

[CIIORNOTHING]

Im coming in very late on this thread but as an ex working paramedic and long time junkie I will offer this. There a many different types of seizures, from focal seizers where you may just stare in a daze for a moement or two (jacksonian type seizures) to mild motor seizers (petite mal) to fll blown grand mal seizures. In my years on the streets and workig many seizers I never saw a single person die from one, not one. The swallowing of the tongue is purely a myth. It can block the airway, and it can be bitten and blood can absutrct the airway, but it will not be swallowed and kill you. If you have ever had one of those moments where you just space out and stare in one place and everything around you seems to echo and become hazy, (when sober I mean, espeically as a kid) then you suddenly snap back to normal, you have just had a seizure.

With that said, siezers should be avoided at all costs, but lets not act like they are similar to strokes or heart attacks. Not even close.


Now my next point on Tramadol, is have any of you guys ever been through a ct detox off a prolonged binge of tramadol use? I have, and lets just say I wont every fucking do it again. It was worse than the time I CT'd off 120mg/day of MS for 6 months straight. Everyone is different, but I have never, repeat never, had such anxiety and fucking jumping out of my skin going out of my mind feelings like I had with tramadol detox. I didnt sleep normal for a month and truly thought I was going nuts. It just flat out sucked huge.

I use them now to try to knock the edge off some WD's, but Im very careful with them.....that was on of the worse detoxs of my life.....

[CIIORNOTHING]

Your absolutely right Hammilton. There is no way to know who will havea seizure. But if someone has had a seizure in the past i wouldn't recommend they take Tramdol PERIOD!

I'm lucky, I've never had a seizure before Trams and with Trams and i take extrememly high doses. I've yet to meet anyone who takes as strong a dose as i do. I'm sure they exist but i haven't met them. I think a doctor would be totally shocked with my dosage and that i am up and walking around lol.

I guess my body is pretty strong because back in the day i took TONS of Vicodins WITHOUT CWE. This was years ago before i knew about CWE. Sadly, it ruined my liver. My last test showed my liver wasn't functioning properly. My Doc wasn't to concerned right now about it though. I don't take as much Vics as i used to but back in the day i took 7 at a time without CWE. Sometimes i took the 7.5 and sometimes the 10's. My poor liver.

If someone is gonna have a seizure on Trams i suspect that they would have the seizure during one of the first times they take the Trams. I think most people have a seizure with their first or second dose.

IF they make a Tramadol section here, i am going to get a bunch of info on Trams so i have them ready for questions.

GOR

If you have a doctor who inst terribly concnerned about a poor liver fucnton test or poor liver values "right now", you may want to get a new doctor. Livers dont heal themselves.....thats the bitch about livers. When theyre fucked theyre fucked.

[I-Nod]

If you have a doctor who inst terribly concnerned about a poor liver fucnton test or poor liver values "right now", you may want to get a new doctor.

Yes, indeed... at least look into Milk Thistle or some other OTC treatments in the meantime. Maybe get a 2nd opinion on this one, GoR.

Livers dont heal themselves.....thats the bitch about livers. When theyre fucked theyre fucked.

I was always under the exact opposite impression... that the liver is the only organ in the human body (besides your skin, I suppose) that can regenerate and repair itself. I've read accounts of people w/ liver damage that had up to 3/4th's of their liver cut out, and the rest grows back! The liver is an amazing organ... just wish my lungs could do the same thing!! :D It would be cool if they could cross that regenerating-gene w/ other organs in the human body... but, then again, if they did that then people would live to be 200 yrs old. Our organs life-span is what limits our ability to live forever, is my understanding.

Sorry if I'm mistaken about the liver shit... I'm doped up and have a bad tendency to make stuff up in my nod-dreams...

[GoddessofRATs]

Yup, I've been through Tramadol w/d a few times and it was awful, you describe it perfectly C2. The sleep probs with the RLS was the worst. I'd lay in bed at night just rocking back and forth and shaking my legs to get relief and the minute i stoped swaying back and forth and shaking my legs i'd get this feeling of bugs crawling on my muscles, mostly in my legs but generally all over. It's horrible. And than I'd fall asleep for 2 minutes and wake again, sleep for 10 minutes and wake again, sometimes i got lucky and sleep an hour but wake up again only to start rocking back and forth. My worst Tram w/d was just over a year ago and it was the worst experience of my life but than i became a member here and learned how to make PST and that saved me from going through Tram w/d for about a year.

I've been through Meth w/d and Opiate w/d and i have to say the Tramadol w/d was the worst But, that being said I've never used opiates long enough at one time to have serious oppie w/d's but i have used Tramadol for 6 months straight and than go cold turkey.

These days I'm addicted to a mix of things so i don't know how my w/d will be, i got lucky this weekend and had pods to save me.

Tramadol is no joke when it comes to w/d.

GOR

Im coming in very late on this thread but as an ex working paramedic and long time junkie I will offer this. There a many different types of seizures, from focal seizers where you may just stare in a daze for a moement or two (jacksonian type seizures) to mild motor seizers (petite mal) to fll blown grand mal seizures. In my years on the streets and workig many seizers I never saw a single person die from one, not one. The swallowing of the tongue is purely a myth. It can block the airway, and it can be bitten and blood can absutrct the airway, but it will not be swallowed and kill you. If you have ever had one of those moments where you just space out and stare in one place and everything around you seems to echo and become hazy, (when sober I mean, espeically as a kid) then you suddenly snap back to normal, you have just had a seizure.

With that said, siezers should be avoided at all costs, but lets not act like they are similar to strokes or heart attacks. Not even close.


Now my next point on Tramadol, is have any of you guys ever been through a ct detox off a prolonged binge of tramadol use? I have, and lets just say I wont every fucking do it again. It was worse than the time I CT'd off 120mg/day of MS for 6 months straight. Everyone is different, but I have never, repeat never, had such anxiety and fucking jumping out of my skin going out of my mind feelings like I had with tramadol detox. I didnt sleep normal for a month and truly thought I was going nuts. It just flat out sucked huge.

I use them now to try to knock the edge off some WD's, but Im very careful with them.....that was on of the worse detoxs of my life.....

[CIIORNOTHING]

Yes, indeed... at least look into Milk Thistle or some other OTC treatments in the meantime. Maybe get a 2nd opinion on this one, GoR.



I was always under the exact opposite impression... that the liver is the only organ in the human body (besides your skin, I suppose) that can regenerate and repair itself. I've read accounts of people w/ liver damage that had up to 3/4th's of their liver cut out, and the rest grows back! The liver is an amazing organ... just wish my lungs could do the same thing!! :D It would be cool if they could cross that regenerating-gene w/ other organs in the human body... but, then again, if they did that then people would live to be 200 yrs old. Our organs life-span is what limits our ability to live forever, is my understanding.

Sorry if I'm mistaken about the liver shit... I'm doped up and have a bad tendency to make stuff up in my nod-dreams...


You are correct about liver cells regenerating, but what Im saying is, that you dont want to fuck around with the liver, because once it reaches a certain stage, ie where cells no longer regenerate and disease is set it, thats it. Your fucked and on a list needing a transplant. Im just saying be good to it, because once its past the point of no return, there is no fixing it.

[I-Nod]

You are correct about liver cells regenerating, but what Im saying is, that you dont want to fuck around with the liver, because once it reaches a certain stage, ie where cells no longer regenerate and disease is set it, thats it. Your fucked and on a list needing a transplant. Im just saying be good to it, because once its past the point of no return, there is no fixing it.

Aha, I see what you were saying now. That didn't even register with me when I was reading that... and I know you are way more knowledgeable in the medical field than I, so thought I'd say something, hoping for some clarification. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Some days my brain stalls and I can't kick-start it for nothin'. Ok, ok... almost every day! :o



("Kick-start", haha... shows my age :p)

[GoddessofRATs]

Well after 12 years of taking huge amounts of Vics than maybe i am screwed, maybe this is why i don't feel good a lot of the time. And i only learned of CWE a year ago. And there was point in my life about 4 years ago where I'd take 8 Vic 7.5's at a time. And each time I'd go to the doc for a physical they always told me liver isn't working right.

However, now i don't take that many vics, only for w/d because i hate those damn things, all they do is make me sick.

But, i was very bad to my liver over the past 12 years. Does this mean in years to come i could possibly need liver treatment or a transplant? Should i have more tests done on my liver?

The only pills and stuff i take now don't have any liver damaging stuff in them i.e., Seet tea, Pods, Roxicodone- No APAP, Ms contin. So I'd say my liver isn't being damaged as much now with the exception of the few days a month i take vics for w/d.

Am i screwed?

GOR

[Ickyuck]

Goddess, maybe try taking a milk thistle supp? I've heard that's a good liver helper.

[Indy]

The thing with tramadol seizures is, it's not like it universally causes seizures in people at a certain dose, it increases the chance of having them. In people such as myself, who have no history of seizures, or head trauma, or any other cofactors associated with seizures, at almost ANY dose, tramadol won't really cause seizures. The thing is, there's no way to tell if you're one of those people unless you've already tried large doses of tramadol for extened periods of time, like i have. It was stupid, but now i know i'm not someone susceptible to seizures. However, after i found out about them, i started taking topamax whenever i would take large doses of tramadol. Never had a seizure.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/409652

There's a study into tramadol related seizures. Out of just over 9,000 people taking tramadol, fewer than 1% actually had "presumed" seizures. Only 8 cases of seizures were actually CONFIRMED (that doesn't mean the other ones didn't happen, just means they aren't certain), and all of them had other factors that increase seizure risk. That's people with a prescription, so they likely aren't taking the amounts any of us would, but it still suggests that tramadol only increases the risk for seizures, not causes them on its own.

I'm sure lots of people are gonna flame me, but honestly the risk of seizures isn't as bad as people make it out to be. The only reason to REALLY worry about them (This is MY opinion, not medical fact, don't quote me, or necessarily rely on my advice to not have a seizure) is if you're predisposed to seizures: epilepsy, other medications that might increase your risk, old age, head trauma (this is a big one not many people know about, head trauma can make you susceptible to seizures), and other factors. In the person who has no risk of seizure otherwise, tramadol is very unlikely to cause a seizure on its own. again, always use caution when dealing with seizures, know the risk, know the reward, weigh the two. But even without topamax (topiramate) i took large amounts of tramadol for a while and never had so much as a myoclonic (spelling? i think thats what it's called) jerk or twitch.

But since you never know if you're one of those people who are susceptible to seizures, if you need to take tramadol in mass quantities (because it's all your doc will prescribe for pain, if you need to maintain and it's all you can get, or any other reason), it's a good idea to have some topamax (topiramate) on hand to take when you take a large dose of tramadol. Topamax is an anticonvulsant used to treat epilepsy, and is a pretty nifty drug. It's chemically like fructose apparently (just what i read from wikipedia) but is very effective in preventing seizures.

Unfortunately i don't know how one might get their hands on this, I don't think you can just go to a psychiatrist and fake epilepsy (at least i don't THINK so, maybe they'd give it to you anyways since its non-abuseable?), but maybe you could just say you've been getting seizures from taking tramadol and your doctor said to ask a psychiatrist for something to treat the seizures? Hell i dunno, I just ask someone who has them for a few back when i took tramadol. I haven't needed to get topamax in forever though, since i don't take tramadol anymore (maybe i'll order some some time).

But yeah, seizures from tramadol ARE very dangerous, but they are luckily also very rare.

[GoddessofRATs]

Yea, less than 1% of 9000 people having a seizure while On Tramadol is extremely low and that's why when people make such a big deal about it and go all crazy about warning people it's a little nuts, while a warning is fine and warranted it's a little nuts when people go all over board with it and label Tramadol a 'BAD BAD drug' because of this.

The chances of someone having a seizure while on Trams is so low. I think out of all my time talking on Opiophile and other groups i belong to, Chronic pain groups etc... I've met 2 people who've had seizures.

Good post Indy.

GOR

The thing with tramadol seizures is, it's not like it universally causes seizures in people at a certain dose, it increases the chance of having them. In people such as myself, who have no history of seizures, or head trauma, or any other cofactors associated with seizures, at almost ANY dose, tramadol won't really cause seizures. The thing is, there's no way to tell if you're one of those people unless you've already tried large doses of tramadol for extened periods of time, like i have. It was stupid, but now i know i'm not someone susceptible to seizures. However, after i found out about them, i started taking topamax whenever i would take large doses of tramadol. Never had a seizure.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/409652

There's a study into tramadol related seizures. Out of just over 9,000 people taking tramadol, fewer than 1% actually had "presumed" seizures. Only 8 cases of seizures were actually CONFIRMED (that doesn't mean the other ones didn't happen, just means they aren't certain), and all of them had other factors that increase seizure risk. That's people with a prescription, so they likely aren't taking the amounts any of us would, but it still suggests that tramadol only increases the risk for seizures, not causes them on its own.

I'm sure lots of people are gonna flame me, but honestly the risk of seizures isn't as bad as people make it out to be. The only reason to REALLY worry about them (This is MY opinion, not medical fact, don't quote me, or necessarily rely on my advice to not have a seizure) is if you're predisposed to seizures: epilepsy, other medications that might increase your risk, old age, head trauma (this is a big one not many people know about, head trauma can make you susceptible to seizures), and other factors. In the person who has no risk of seizure otherwise, tramadol is very unlikely to cause a seizure on its own. again, always use caution when dealing with seizures, know the risk, know the reward, weigh the two. But even without topamax (topiramate) i took large amounts of tramadol for a while and never had so much as a myoclonic (spelling? i think thats what it's called) jerk or twitch.

But since you never know if you're one of those people who are susceptible to seizures, if you need to take tramadol in mass quantities (because it's all your doc will prescribe for pain, if you need to maintain and it's all you can get, or any other reason), it's a good idea to have some topamax (topiramate) on hand to take when you take a large dose of tramadol. Topamax is an anticonvulsant used to treat epilepsy, and is a pretty nifty drug. It's chemically like fructose apparently (just what i read from wikipedia) but is very effective in preventing seizures.

Unfortunately i don't know how one might get their hands on this, I don't think you can just go to a psychiatrist and fake epilepsy (at least i don't THINK so, maybe they'd give it to you anyways since its non-abuseable?), but maybe you could just say you've been getting seizures from taking tramadol and your doctor said to ask a psychiatrist for something to treat the seizures? Hell i dunno, I just ask someone who has them for a few back when i took tramadol. I haven't needed to get topamax in forever though, since i don't take tramadol anymore (maybe i'll order some some time).

But yeah, seizures from tramadol ARE very dangerous, but they are luckily also very rare.

[MissingOxy]

As far a tramadol goes, I've found that when SWIM can't get percs or oxys, 3 50mg tramadols every 6 hours keeps things going. Seizures are not a joke, but usually are associated with high consumption (>400 mg/day). They do not work quickly, so BE AWARE of that. The tramadol itself has opoid activity, but one of it's metabolites is much stronger, and it's levels peak 2-4 hours after oral administration. So don't take 4 of them, and then more in an hour when you aren't satisfied. IV use increases chance of side effects greatly; I've seem 100 mg IV cause muscle jerking (almost seizure?) and breathing difficulty. So watch your dose and how you do it, if you want to keep breathing.

Incidentally, if you live in the USA, a prescription for (60) 50mg tramadol is only $4.00 at the pharmacy at either WalMart or Giant Eagle (supermarket). So it's an inexpensive fallback drug.

[jonny-5]

i have a great solution. tramadol sucks anyway so why dont we all just stop taking it and stick to things that will actually get us high or cause pain relief? people make things so much more complicated than they really have to be.

[nick]

I doubt a tramadol appreciation section would be used much because most of us hate it.

Unless we're sick.

[dirtdog]

I've always been a fan of Tramadol. It was the very first opioid I ever tried, so I'm sure that's colored my opinion of it. Most people here don't like it because they tried much stronger opiates first.



Thats why it doesnt do shit for me. Hell it fucked my stomach up.
Before I tried trammies, I did;oxycontins, percs, morphene(which did not do shit), methadone and heroin-you name it.
Then trammies came along and Im like uhhhmmmm.... uh... eh?

[clinton]

the reason i always avoided because i read that ult ram can cause seizures...
it didnt seem worth the risk...a re they any othe r opiates that do this?
codiene?

[Saint]

O.k. I know this is an old thread but I need some answers here. I quit taking mathadone (was on 60 mgs and went down to 10) and started tramadol to take the edge of withdrwawals. It has been 19 days since last methadone now.

What I want to know (and I do not find the answer on the internet so far):

Is there any difference in the tramadol ER (extended release) and the 'normal' tramadol as far as intensity is concerned? I started on 350 mgs 'normal 50 mgs capsules a day'. (150 in the morning, 100 in the afternoon, 100 before bedtime).
Now, I take 150 mgs ER twice daily but they don't seem to work as well (they are called dolodol, which is tramadol from Spain). I'm just wondering if it's still the methadone wd-s - which is entirely possible - or is this stuff just working differently?

[Ickyuck]

As far as I know, Tramadol ER bears no real difference EXCEPT the way it is encapsulated. The coating on ER is supposed to slowly slowly dissolve. What I do is just chew the dam thing so the coating splits, and there ya go. Trammy in yer Tummy.:cool:

[SurfRat]

I would think you don't get as much peak in your bloodstream. Although after a few days it might accumulate. To where it was close.

I always prefer instant release on everything. More predictable.

Spanish manufacturer might be different too, although I think their quality is decent. You know you can get it stateside easily enough (unless things have changed.)